The Comms Room

Wesley

19:00

@ChrisS 1 new from $9,999.00

voretaq7

@ewwhite I can actually see switching to Cat6, but not for "latency"

ewwhite

This is Portland.

Chris S

@Wesley For 1.5m of Cat5 cable

voretaq7

@ChrisS Hah, those reviews are better than the 55 gallon drum of L00B.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Grrrr.

Please stop abusing this site for free consulting services. That's not what we do. All three questions you've asked so far have been on the same topic of ~"how do I do email for a small company," and have all been downvoted and closed, but you somehow still seem to be missing the point. Visit this site's help center, see the asking questions help page and review the on-topic list before asking another question. — HopelessN00b Genius of network 42 secs ago

EEAA

19:04

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I see he deleted one of his old (closed) questions.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@EEAA That was probably me just now, casting the terminal delete vote on it, actually.

EEAA

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Oh, right.

Chris S

@EEAA Probably trying to get around the auto-block for asking bad questions. People do it all the time, thinking deleted questions don't count against them still.

MichelZ

@ChrisS there's an auto block for that? +1!

Chris S

@MichelZ Yeah, I'm not 100% sure on the specific, but if your questions have a net vote of -8 or something like that then you'll be blocked from asking any more questions.

Jacob

19:07

209

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Chris S

That page is slightly outdated, but if you're getting that error it really doesn't matter... You're a terrible person and should feel bad.

Nathan C

Hmmm... /usr/lib/vmware-vpx/jre/bin/keytool: No such file or directory that doesn't look good

there's no jre folder :(

EEAA

@NathanC Who really needs java anyway?!?

Chris S

@NathanC pwned-by-a-wild-markdown

@EEAA ~~Isn't it the 2nd or 3rd most popular programming language?~~ Yep #2, just barely behind C.

Wesley

@EEAA sips coffee I dunno, I can be pretty terrible before my second cup.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I whored out my consluting services to him.

Nathan C

19:12

@EEAA vcenter wants it...need to generate the keystore for the vsphere web client

Magellan

@ChrisS More's the pity. It's certainly a steaming pile of crap.

Chris S

@Magellan Meh, Features-Quality-Timeframe <== It's here now, it works on a bazillion platforms, so something has to give.

Jacob

@EEAA Most universities use it as a teaching language these days.

Magellan

@ChrisS I challenge on you whether it really "works" or not.

MichelZ

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork what caveats? :D

Magellan

19:14

It's work cheap fast and dirty. You end up bending over for the design choices you've made in the early days for years and years and years.

Chris S

@Magellan What do you want for a free Oracle product??

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@ChrisS "Your questions are horrible and you should feel horrible!"

Nathan C

VC_CFG_RESULT=101 annnnd i broke it

Magellan

@ChrisS But before that it was a Sun product. And they should've known better.

BigHomie

@EEAA The sad answer? everyone

@EEAA In reality? no one.

EEAA

19:15

It grieves me that I need to keep a JRE around on a couple systems for Logstash and Elasticsearch.

That's about it, though.

BigHomie

Java is completely unnecessary. Period.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS How it usually works: Three strikes and you're OUT!

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@MichelZ That it doesn't force them to change their passwords at a specific point in time, jus the next time they logon. That can be a significant caveat, for example, the users we have that have been logged on to their machine for months continuously.

MichelZ

Ah :)

ewwhite

So wait... Cat6 cables won't make my SAN faster?

MichelZ

19:16

didn't think about that

Wesley

@EEAA That's my use-case as well. In fact, today was supposed to be "ELK day" until my email appliance started acting funny and the support crew for it started acting funnier (and by funnier I mean "more incompetent than I'm accustomed to")

HopelessN00b Genius of network

And yes, I'm one of the users with a multi-month logon session length. Reboots are for n00bs.

Wesley

@ewwhite Cat 6 cables make your SAN fast, yes, because the solid core in the cable means you can twirl the SAN over your head faster without worrying about snapping the line.

Jacob

@ewwhite Only if you use Monster branded cables, because they're worth the price.

Wesley

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork My firewall hasn't rebooted for almost a year. Is that bad?

HopelessN00b Genius of network

19:17

@ewwhite Cat6 cables will only make your SAN faster if you use them to anchor your SAN to a truck, and then drive the truck down the freeway.

MichelZ

@Wesley if your affected by heartbleed... maybe yes :D

BigHomie

@TheCleaner thecoveringhouse.org/act/resources-2/…

Wesley

@MichelZ Nah.

ewwhite

This is a produce company with three on-staff IT guys, a CIO, an outside managed services firm, Office 365 and me.

Chris S

@MichaelHampton Might be... Found a -12 Q, OP only has the one Q and he's not blocked.

Wesley

19:18

I only log into my firewall with telnet, so heartbleed doesn't affect me.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS I've seen lots of them.

ewwhite

And they're not listening to my recommendation.

MichelZ

@ewwhite in reality they only need YOU

Michael Hampton

One pathological case went from new user to Q-banned in an hour.

Wesley

@ewwhite Wow, so why do they pay you if they don't listen to a word you say about the most common sense things?

Not that you're complaining... I mean, I'd let someone pay me to ignore me.

MichelZ

19:19

@Wesley good. have you got a monitor attached? not having one helps a lot as well!

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Wesley Yes, that's bad. Your reboots should come more frequently, for security. That's whay all my servers are in reboot loops and always have uptimes of <60 seconds.

Wesley

@MichaelHampton That takes dedication.

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork reboot -h 0 "Respeck mah Securi-tie"

ewwhite

Their CTO wants to turn it into a fancy IT department... But in reality, it's just a produce firm

Wesley

@ewwhite With cat5 cables on their SAN

MichelZ

@Wesley No... with fancy monster cables!

ewwhite

19:21

Is cat5 cabling on the SAN bad?

BigHomie

KISS principle

KISS is an acronym for "Keep it simple, stupid" as a design principle noted by the U.S. Navy in 1960. Origin The acronym was reportedly coined by Kelly Johnson, lead engineer at the Lockheed Skunk Works (creators of the Lockheed U-2 and SR-71 Blackbird spy planes, among many others). While popular usage has translated it for decades as, 'Keep it simple, stupid', Johnson translated it as, 'Keep it simple stupid' (no comma), and this reading is still used by many authors. There was no implicit meaning that an engineer was stupid; just the opposite. The principle is best exemplified by th...

Wesley

@ewwhite Only if they're legit hitting performance limits because of it, sure. What's their throughput like?

voretaq7

@ewwhite cat5 in general these days is substandard

but if the SAN is only GigE it's adequate

Wesley

I mean, the museum I worked at years ago had 5-non-e for their SAN, but it was mid 2000s and a cable plant that was 5 years old. Then again, they didn't constantly hit GigE throughput limits.

Nathan C

I busted vcenter...go me :p

All because I wanted to install my own SSL certs :(

Wesley

19:22

So yeah, it's fine if they're small-potatos, but only solid data can determine it. Do they have 4/10Gb switches and NICs?

ewwhite

It's hard to find non cat5e

Wesley

@ewwhite Exactly, I haven't seen non-e cable sold since like 2008

voretaq7

@Wesley @ewwhite I'm not sure it's even made anymore

Basil

@voretaq7 16Gb FC or bust

MichelZ

@NathanC that's what BACKUPS are for...

ewwhite

19:24

10GbE for storage. At least.

voretaq7

@MichelZ baaaaaa cups? Why would a sheep wear a bra? :)

Wesley

@ewwhite 10Gig is 'spensive. =(

Nathan C

@MichelZ Reverting them as we speak...

Why does vmware make it so difficult to update a few ssl certs? -_-

Wesley

@voretaq7 Look, Irishmen like a little foreplay just as much as the next guy.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@BigHomie The problem with that is no one ever gets big stacks of cash from KISS. To get big stacks of cash, you have to be willing to have sex. Or least get naked on camera.

MichelZ

19:25

@ewwhite it depends on your requirements... we're happy with 1 gbe for storage, and we do not hit the 1 gbe limit often (small shop)

@NathanC i think i read there's a tool for that now

Wesley

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork You do it for free on Omegle, don't lie.

@MichelZ Broseph, I do 20 hours a month for a small office in Colorado and they're still on 100Mb

Nathan C

@MichelZ The tool broke it

Wesley

I'd kill to get them on GigE

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@MichelZ But it's also vCenter, which means backups... may not be sufficient. Flaky, temperamental piece of crap.

Nathan C

I did the command, and vpxd refuses to start now

no logs of any sort

Basil

19:26

@Wesley @ewwhite 16Gb FC is cheap! Same price as 8Gb and 4Gb before it, like 3k a switch

and no mucking about with sloppy ethernet encapsulation

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Wesley Hmmm. Have not heard of this Omegle thing. Am curious, and want to Google it... but am also at work.

Wesley

@Basil You work for El Mondo Bigcorp, so your definition of cheap is relative. =P

voretaq7

@Wesley I thought it was Welshmen?

Basil

@Wesley 3k is cheaper than an ethernet switch...

Magellan

@Wesley That needs to go on your Twitter feed.

Basil

19:28

cisco switches, at least

Wesley

@voretaq7 Insert culture tainted by Englishmen here.

Basil

Of course, since I work at mondo bigcorp, I bought a 1.2 million dollar switch

Wesley

@Magellan Derrr... yokay!

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Ah, screw it, I didn't get to lofty position of computer bitch for a bunch of technically illiterate window-lickers by thinking things through, or executing sound judgement.

Magellan

@Wesley I totally had a mental image of you making pasties out of Cat5 cable.

Wesley

19:31

Cat 6 cable makes your SAN faster because the solid core allows you to twirl it over your head at a higher RPM without snapping the line.

Tweeted by Nonapeptide on April 23, 2014 at 7:30 PM

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@Magellan Kinky kitty.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

Oh, yeah, Omegel. That video chat thing where ~22% of all chats involve penises, ~8% involve female nudity, and the other 70% of users are missing the point.

Wesley

I should tell your wife.

MichelZ

@Wesley that's the kitty you need to get high rep on superuser.com

Wesley

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork In my experience there was way more than 22% penis.

Jacob

►

Wesley

19:33

@MichelZ Where all answers involve thinly veiled fetish references? I should try that.

Once upon a time I used to tease people on Omegle: flickr.com/photos/26148816@N04/sets/72157623789082207

Nathan C

@MichelZ Oh yeah, the tool I think you're talking about is Windows only...

Evan Carroll

IT IS I EVAN CARROLL.

MichelZ

@NathanC why would you want anything else than windows ;)

Evan Carroll

@MichaelHampton Just wanted to say, I have 0 sock puppets.

Absolutely none.

Magellan

@Wesley Because she's sitting right next to me reading this?

Wesley

19:37

MichelZ

@EvanCarroll Dumroll!

Evan Carroll

And, I'm the only person on this network who has the explicit written approval to create sock puppets.

Wesley

@Magellan ...oh.

Nathan C

@MichelZ It's the SUSE appliance

Magellan

lol

Evan Carroll

19:38

So, say what you must, I'm leagues ahead ethically.

Magellan

The MAT is back.

Evan Carroll

And, now I must depart and prepare for my victory celebration.

Wesley

So everyone, tell me, should I unblock Evan or is it not that interesting?

Michael Hampton

It's not that interesting.

Wesley

@MichaelHampton kk

voretaq7

19:39

@EvanCarroll Didjya actually win?

Wesley

And invalid flags!

Evan Carroll

Yes. But, they haven't yet voted and taken the count.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Wesley I actually read that in an academic study. Yes, someone with a Ph.D. got federal grant money to determine what proportion of Omegle chats contained nudity, and break that out by the sex of the nude individual.

voretaq7

Guys, don't raise noise flags

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BigHomie

Didn't know the circus was in town

Evan Carroll

19:40

So long as my nomination doesn't get withdrawn by a homophobic white supremacist, it's a good as done.

MichelZ

uuh, found the ignore button

Michael Hampton

So, wait, you're a gay black man?

MichelZ

nice :D

Magellan

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork This JustShrey personal actually has some potential.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton Momma said "I could be anything i wanted to be" so....

HopelessN00b Genius of network

19:41

@Wesley It's really uninteresting. Just banal attention-whoring behavior that you can see from any tween on Facebook.

Magellan

@MichelZ yes, it's much better that way. He's just a garden-variety troll.

Evan Carroll

I never troll, ever.

Magellan

Adolescents are annoying like that. They always think their behavior is in some way new or novel.

voretaq7

oh I have to star that.

BigHomie

@Magellan I prefer the organic variety personally, they're more sincere

Jacob

19:42

@voretaq7 I need to go get some water, I can't breathe.

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@MichaelHampton Actually, to be precise, homophobes hate the lesbos too, so he could be a gay black woman as well.

Magellan

@BigHomie frankly, I prefer insincere. I get all sorts of "authentic" hipsterism here.

Jacob

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork I'm going to guess that possibility excites you?

Evan Carroll

Clearly, only black people hate white supremacists, right? You fail.

BigHomie

@voretaq7 I have a feeling that post will reach your heartbleed PSA status as far as stars go.

Evan Carroll

19:44

I can't believe this chat system is still around.

Basil

So I'm going to try to pitch archiving here. Our user data alone has topped 10TB, and we have a new project that just shipped their IT contact 50 USB drives full of engineering data...

Evan Carroll

I would have figured everyone would have upgraded to IRC by now.

BigHomie

What's that smell

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Jacob Actually, it amuses me. I've seen Evan's face, and for a gay, black woman, he sure has a lot of facial hair. And a pale complexion.

Evan Carroll

Nonsense, he's never seen me, and I doubt his fantasies are vivid enough to produce my facial hair.

Jacob

19:46

you should all follow @TheEvanCarroll who is bar none the most sophisticated troll I've ever encountered. It's a compliment!

Tweeted by codinghorror on February 24, 2012 at 7:53 AM

BigHomie

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Basil Wait, what now? I know they have Best Buy in Canada... why didn't you guys go pick up 3 4TB external hard drives to move 10 TB of data?

voretaq7

@BigHomie Nah, it has no Doge.

Evan Carroll

Joffrey Atwood also called me a "proverbial thousand year storm." He's ripe with verbal abuse. Easy for a man to trash talk others when he's on a yacht in the middle of Fiji.

Basil

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork No, we have 10TB of user data (homedirs), and now about 150TB of point clouds and videos

HopelessN00b Genius of network

19:47

@Jacob Meh, I've seen much, much better and more sophisticated trolls. Hell, I was one. But then I turned 13 and figured out that boobies >> online trolling.

Jacob

@voretaq7 Add some doge then?

Michael Hampton

Is it time for me to become abusive and spiteful again?

Jacob

@MichaelHampton Yes!

BigHomie

@voretaq7 Good point

voretaq7

@Jacob <loud, emotional sigh> Effort!

Basil

19:48

@MichaelHampton that's what we pay you for :P

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton "Again"?

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@MichaelHampton Yes, and don't ever change! NEVER stop being abusive and spiteful; it's why we love you.

Jacob

@voretaq7 Do you want my tater tots?

BigHomie

MichelZ

@MichaelHampton Do what you have to do :D

voretaq7

19:48

@Jacob Prostatots?

Jacob

@voretaq7 You more or less quoted a movie

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Basil Shit. Well, it's enough to make a man admit that <shudder> LTO tapes might be the best solution to that problem.

voretaq7

@Jacob I'm aware

Basil

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Not an option. They reference the whole thing. They want a bunch of CIFS shares

voretaq7

actually it's from 2 movies and a TV show if you want to get really technical :)

Basil

19:50

The problem isn't even this 150TB- it's what this will look like in 2 years

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Basil Ugh. Well, buy a proper NAS server and a shelf or two crammed with nearline SAS disks, I guess.

ewwhite

@Basil But I don't know how to use Fibre Channel :(

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@ewwhite Oh, using Fibre Channel is trivial. You get someone like Basil to set it up for you, and make sure it's ready to use before you let him leave. :)

Easiest two months of my adult life.

Wesley

Basil

@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Right now the plan is to put it onto our v-series which is backed by the VSP. We pay pretty close to future shop prices for nearline storage in the VSP, but we don't want to use all our realestate for that kind of bulk storage. I'm hoping to pitch them on a filesystem redirection software solution that would have an archival tier

@ewwhite I do, and if you want me to, I'll show you how. It's so easy you don't even need to pay me :)

it really is set-and-forget

Jacob

19:54

@Wesley He's not even talking anymore, so false alarm.

MichelZ

@ewwhite Just ask on serverfault.com!

Wesley

@Jacob Even Carroll. Not even once.

ewwhite

@Basil but I really like NFS

Basil

Fun fact- I can see starred messages on the starwall of people I've ignored (like, you know, @Wesley)

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MichelZ

:)

Wesley

19:56

I'M WATCHING YOU, @BASIL

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Basil

@ewwhite Me too. it's not the tool you need for everything, but if you're thinking iSCSI, you should think FC

Wesley

^ Someone star that so Basil sees it.

3

MichelZ

are you guys enemies? :D

BigHomie

Probably arch enemies

Wesley

@BigHomie No, Gentoo Enemies.

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Basil

19:57

@MichelZ I don't even know any more... there's hate sex, but...

BigHomie

@Wesley I CWYDT.

MichelZ

:D

Wesley

@BigHomie WAT U DID THAR

I C IT

Basil

... I don't, actually. What's a gentoo enemy?

BigHomie

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Basil

19:58

@BigHomie I know what gentoo is (approximately). never heard the term "gentoo enemy" though

BigHomie

Okay let's walk through this

@Basil What is gentoo 'approximately'?

MichelZ

home made enemy?

Basil

@BigHomie linux?

MichelZ

compiled an enemy yourself?

BigHomie

@Basil Good. And Arch?

Basil

20:00

@BigHomie penultimate, in the sense of "archenemy"

Chris S

@Basil funroll-loops.info

Probably nothing you don't know, but I get a laugh everytime.

Tanner

@Basil archlinux.org

BigHomie

@Basil Try again, I'll give you a hint ^

Basil

@BigHomie Haha, ok, thanks for walking me through that. My gap was not knowing about arch ;)

MichelZ

@Basil I didn't get it as well at first :D

Basil

20:03

@ChrisS I remember needing to look up what the deal was with gentoo once after seeing it in an xkcd

BigHomie

@Basil It's all good, there are way too many distros to know every one

Basil

he needs to make an arch joke ;)

BigHomie

I actually thought for a moment gentoo was an arch fork

<awaits flames>

Basil

@BigHomie I should probably start tooling around with linux...

HopelessN00b Genius of network

@Basil It's a pun. Arch and Gentoo are both Linux distros.

Basil

20:04

1 min ago, by Basil

@BigHomie Haha, ok, thanks for walking me through that. My gap was not knowing about arch ;)

BigHomie

@Basil You should have started that ages ago

Basil

@BigHomie I use AIX at work, but can't think of anything useful to do at home with a linux box

BigHomie

@Basil Uh Oh

Get ready to duck

Wesley

NixOS bitches!

I saw a devops job posting that, not even making this up, required deep NixOS and Haskell skills as the two biggest requirements.

BigHomie

@Basil Do you have a computer @ Home?

MichelZ

20:05

@ewwhite thx for teaching me about SSD + VMware

Basil

@BigHomie it'd have to be a dualboot on my gaming rig, or maybe a VM

but it wouldn't have native persistent ethernet access

so a media server is out

and I don't have any money for toys, so new hardware is out

and I don't have any floor/ceiling/basement/closet space for new hardware anyways

Joel E Salas

@RyJones So there's going to be actual good SSL done by smart people?

MichelZ

@Basil get a raspery pi... :)

Basil

basically, my options are to rent a vps, which means I can't do much useful work on the house LAN, or roll a partition/VM on my gaming rig

@MichelZ that's true, I could do that.

Wesley

@Basil How many ex wives are you paying alimony to that you have no money for toys? =P

Basil

20:08

@JoelESalas I heard the AIX SSL was unaffected by heartbleed

@Wesley I have 99 problems, but an ex-wife ain't one

My wife is actually helping with them- she does wedding photography and makes a decent salary for someone who only works weekends and evenings

BigHomie

@Basil I suppose you could start with a VM, it wouldn't be a bad idea

Basil

@BigHomie At that point, though, I'd be setting it up, looking at the shell, and that's basically it. What else could I do?

BigHomie

You need a firewall?

Basil

I don't have root at work, but I do scripting and stuff here

BigHomie

RHETORICAL QUESTION FARLEY

Basil

20:10

@BigHomie I could use one- but could a VM do that job?

MichelZ

@Basil try to set it up as firewall, dhcp, dns, NAS... experiment with it if you'r interested in it

@Basil VM's (if properly configured) can do ANYTHING (except cooking)

Chris S

@Wesley WTF? And it's MIT licensed... I think someone forgot to read the GPL.

Basil

@MichelZ but as a VM, it's going to be off when my desktop is off

MichelZ

@Basil That's what I mean with "if properly configured" :)

Basil

@MichelZ Ah :)

BigHomie

20:12

@MichelZ You can control a stove w/ Linux, @least a microwave

The RPi guys are more than willing to help with that....

Basil

brb, creating chat account @least

MichelZ

@BigHomie Good! And who puts the food in?

Wesley

@ChrisS I really don't get it. I should find that job posting...

Basil

@MichelZ the RPi guys, clearly

MichelZ

cool :D

Wesley

20:12

Global DevOps Engineer - Remote

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@ChrisS poke

NixOS and Haskell - do I get complementary moustache wax as part of the compensation package?

(Said tongue in cheek because... I have my own moustache wax.)

MichelZ

time to watch some TV @ bed... good night boys (and Evan)

Basil

@MichelZ cheers

Wesley

@MichelZ Don't summon he who should not be named.

BigHomie

@Basil Take some bottles back to the store and get ya one of these, throw PFSense on it and marvel

Chris S

@Wesley SUPER-POKE!

Joel E Salas

20:16

@Wesley Speak his name 3 times into a mirror in a darkened room

then trolling begins

BigHomie

@JoelESalas please don't say troll

Chris S

FML - I'm old: A new hire was explaining Facebook to me the other day, complete with what a "poke" is.

Wesley

@ChrisS I didn't know what poking was until I was 29.

strugee

@Skyhawk why thank you!

@Magellan with extreme pride.

Wesley

> The servers are currently managed via Puppet, but we've already begun moving them over to NixOS/NixOps.

What the actual hell.

Scott Pack

20:25

que?

Basil

@BigHomie That's not half bad... I need a new SSD for my gaming rig, but that would be a good second priority. I could run linux on that, and just sit it next to my wifi router

freiheit

@ChrisS Poking is so 2012

Basil

@freiheit Only hipsters send me pokes these days

BigHomie

@Basil That could be your wifi router.

Basil

@BigHomie I don't see wifi on it- just LAN ports

Joel E Salas

20:27

@Wesley Nix is really cool

but I wouldn't PORT things to it

BigHomie

> Features Dual Broadcom Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0 x 2

Scott Pack

BigHomie

USB Wireless adapter @Basil

Basil

@BigHomie that's wifi? I read that to mean ethernet plugs

Ah, ok

BigHomie

@Basil I mean, if you really want to experiment with it

@Basil Actually I would use PFSense which is BSD so technically not Linux but your purposes getting some keyboard time on one would be very beneficial

ewwhite

20:35

@michelz VMware sucks.

Global DevOps Engineer - Remote

Zalora

nixoslinuxhaskellpuppet

Full-Time Remote Position in a Distributed Team We're expanding our globally-distributed, remote DevOps team. The team…

Posted on Careers 2.0 on April 22, 2014

What the hell is nixos?!?

Wesley

@ewwhite Dude, do you not even read chat anymore? =P I posted that just up there.

ewwhite

I saw it. But I'll get more attention.

Wesley

@ewwhite =P

ewwhite

nixos - nixos.org/nixos

Basil

@BigHomie I use plenty of *nix ;) My NAS is a BSD fork from decades ago (Netapp's data ontap), and my management server is AIX (aka real unix)

ewwhite

20:38

Seems like an OS built around devops.

Wesley

@ewwhite "When you don't understand existing problems and tools, make your own!" --Devops

cole

yo

ewwhite

Well, yes... I wonder why one would choose a non mainstream OS.

Wesley

@ewwhite Because hipster.

cole

@Basil !

We got our HUS-VMs installed

Basil

20:41

@cole How's that going?

cole

@Basil pretty good - in week one of all the config stuff - a bit confusing for sure

Basil

@cole it's a pretty badly designed UI, but it used to be worse, if you can imagine

On the plus side, it's rock solid and just works for the most part

cole

@Basil did you install Command Suite 8 yet?

ewwhite

@michael do YOU know about Nixos?

Basil

also, it's screaming fast

@cole no, we're looking at that now

ewwhite

20:42

@matthew do you?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Never heard of it.

Basil

We let others beta test for us ;)

cole

@Basil that's what we went with, since it came out yesterday lol.

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite Never heard of it either.

cole

Seems like Command Suite is much easier for day to day tasks - still some stuff you'll need to do in Storage Navigator

Basil

20:44

@cole You shouldn't use it as your primary management tool- it's too slow. It is the only thing that works for certain types of tasks (like dynamic tiering tuning, etc), but the storage navigator and raidcom are much better

cole

@Basil slow as in - the interface is slow - or just slow to do stuff

I noticed doing tasks take forever in the command suite.

Basil

@cole both... 2 sec, on the phone

ewwhite

@michael @matthew the job ad I posted above is moving their stack to NixOS. Read up on it. Does that seem like a solution to a problem nobody had?

Matthew Ife

Need to be convinced myself.

Basil

@cole So it's slow to do stuff, and relies on an out of band database that gets out of date as soon as you do something outside it. It also has constructs like "hosts" that are on top of the normal hostgroups defined on the storage itself.

It's unnecessary, adds a layer of abstraction and potential error, and as slow as shit

cole

20:48

@Basil good to know

Basil

Everything you need to do day to day can be done in storage navigator, or raidcom if you need to do a lot of little modifications

Mind you, we're using 7 right now. Maybe 8 is a quantum leap forward, but I doubt it

BigHomie

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2607910/…

Matthew Ife

> actions such as upgrades are dangerous
Not really in any enterprise O/S.
> upgrading a package can cause other packages to break
if you use rawhide.
> you can’t safely test what the results of a configuration change will be
This is far too vague to say anything
> you cannot easily undo changes to the system
This can be a thing sometimes.
> NixOS has a transactional approach to configuration management
I think this is usually pretty doable without a whole abstraction layer.

Basil

@cole Are you going to be using it for replication?

cole

@Basil no we don't do replication

only tape backups for us

Basil

20:49

@cole What about in-box snapshots etc?

cole

@Basil we are doing snapshots.

Matthew Ife

> Multi-user package management
This is useful.

Basil

So I've never used the gui for that, but I can tell you that it's pretty complex on the CLI.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Seems rather pointless to me. Doesn't appear to solve any problems that anyone is actually having today.

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite without knowing much else. Nixos sounds as if you're trading one series of known headaches to a series of unknown ballaches.

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Basil

20:50

the complexity might be masked by the gui, but it's still there- for example, if you want to do both shadowimage in-box copies and snapshots, you need to know how the MU# limitations work

freiheit

@ewwhite Sounds like it really helps solve the problems that DevOps shops using gentoo have.

ewwhite

Kinda true.

Maybe this company is an outlier... But that's a turnoff. Two years down the road...will having nixos experience be a benefit?

Michael Hampton

It appears to have been some academic research that took on a life of its own. Sometimes you get good stuff out of that. Sometimes you don't.

ewwhite

@freheit I have some puppet design questions.

Basil

ok folks, I gotta jet- night :)

Wesley

20:57

@Basil Don't forget. I'm watching...

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