How's the new gig @ScottPack

@Iain You're room owner, right? @Zoredache? Other mods: @MichaelHampton @ChrisS @voretaq7? How's about adding Scotty's blog to the roll? =)

@cole Pretty good. I feel like I've settled in pretty well so far.

@Wesley I wonder if I can get another site's mod to do it.

feeds.feedburner.com/secopsmonkey/HPJL ?

I think I managed to not cock that up too badly

hail!

(is what it might as well have been doing outside today for all the good flight training did)

I had to evict birds from my tailcone, which turned into "well, let's clean up this other crap in the plane too, and wash it, and.... oh lookit that it's 5:30 guess I'm not flying today!"

@FalconMomot also

Aviation

@voretaq7 next thing on my list is a night rating.

after, of course, I actually manage to finish my fucking PPL

Its amazing how much code you can eliminate if you use snprintf() correctly

@FalconMomot That's a separate thing in Canada too? I thought you guys might be like the US

(my student pilot permit was issued 2012 july 08, and my medical 2011 July 14)

(to give an idea of how slow this has been)

@voretaq7 I thought in the US you got night for free, but here in Canada you must have a separate rating for it yeah

yeah you have to do a certain amount of night instruction as part of the private training (otherwise you receive a license with a restriction that it's not valid at night - because Alaska.)

it's up to the pilot to stay night current though (at the moment I'm not)

because alaska?

also night currency here I think is just applicable if you have passengers

at which point it's 5 takeoffs and landings at night in the preceding 6 months

@voretaq7 amazing how many bugs evaporate too :)

@FalconMomot In northern Alaska there's sometimes no "night" for months so if you do your training during that window you don't do the night part

@voretaq7 oh, I see.

parts of northern canada are like that too but I don't think there are many flying schools there

northern canada is like a third-world country

@FalconMomot ours is 3 in 3 (full-stop landings)

@FalconMomot La Guardian Airport is like a third world country. Joe Biden told me so!

hahaha

sure

what I mean is

chat on an iPad still sucks cow cock

just in case anyone was wondering.

food prices are like 3-10 times as much, mail is unreliable (let alone power and electronic communication), and what paved roads there are look pretty rough.

who lives there does so completely at the mercy of the environment.

@voretaq7 ZFS on Linux loses its shit if you used device names as references for the devices and they move around... all the examples for FreeBSD use the device names (da0p3, da1p3, etc). Does FreeBSD just handle it if they move?

ugh, nonsemantic device naming annoys me

@voretaq7 Somebody needs a biology lesson... ;)

no, it sucks so hard the cow grows a cock :)

@mikeyb why would devices move?

presumably because udev ;)

@voretaq7 drive dies and the machine gets rebooted

yeah.... we don' udev over in the civilized world

	NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
	storage     UNAVAIL      0     0     0  insufficient replicas
	  raidz2-0  UNAVAIL      0     0     0  insufficient replicas
	    sdb     FAULTED      0     0     0  corrupted data
	    sdc     ONLINE       0     0     0
	    sdd     ONLINE       0     0     0
	    sde     OFFLINE      0     0     0
	    sdf     FAULTED      0     0     0  corrupted data
	    sdg     FAULTED      0     0     0  corrupted data
	    sdh     FAULTED      0     0     0  corrupted data

those responsible for udev and systemd belong in prison

@mikeyb I'm not sure about SATA (never tested it) but the device IDs for SCSI stayed sane in the presence of failures - I assume SATA behaves similarly because they get sdN IDs

@FalconMomot Gulag

@voretaq7 unless you have things like a SAS card where you don't necessarily get the same enumeration

@voretaq7 are US prisons really so different from that?

@FalconMomot depends on the prison

dat retributive justice model

such failure

@MikeyB Don't use desktop hardware for servers! :)

@voretaq7 Actually in this case it's server hardware in a desktop.

I've never actually tested SATA failure modes that way though. Most of the times SATA hardware fails in such a way that it wrecks the whole bus so I have to visit the box anyway

well server-class desktop :P

either it is a pedestal server, or it is a desktop.

install BSD (or boot a liveCD) and note the drive/serial mappings then unplug a middle drive and see what it does - I'd be interested too :)

I don't have any physical lab equipment anymore - it's all VMware :-/

@voretaq7 I don't like vmware anymore

am I in the wrong

I think you can label ZFS drives/partitions on BSD too - I should look into that :)

@JoelESalas depends on why

@voretaq7 glabel yeah

@MikeyB yeah. that would be the most breakage-proof method I think

@ScottPack Did you really use the hashtag #sysadmins on Twitter? Dude.

#dontknowhowtotwatter

right, off to church to stand on the roof with a camera.

@wesley Did I? I let Twitter expand it for me.

@FalconMomot Ummmmm you know it's not like Christmas, right? Jesus doesn't show up at midnight in a sled for the resurrection...

I thought Jesus showed up in March?

@voretaq7 No, but the lighting of the advent candle can be captured on CCTV much better from such a vantage point.

@ScottPack I usually see it singular - twitter's hashtag thing is... sort of.... not good.

@ScottPack He likes to move the date of the resurrection around to keep his followers on their toes

@voretaq I didn't look. I got to "#sys" and there was only the one entry so I took it.

@ScottPack Yeah Twitter's suggested hashtag auto-complete isn't hip.

@MikeyB 10PM is too late to have some music going on a Saturday night? Simmer down there Grandpa.

I usually give my neighbors until midnight.

And I'm a total prick who looks for reasons to call my neighbors in. =P

But mostly I'm just a prick.

@FalconMomot What church and where can I see the stream? =P

@Wesley blasting the bass in a close residential neighborhood. Usually I'm tolerant yeah, but if my kids wake up nobody's going to be happy.

@MikeyB Your Canadian, how angry can you really get? =P

Plus, not nearly as many guns up there as down here, so how can you truly express your freedom?

America. Express your freedom by relieving someone else of theirs through excessive force.

@Wesley Quiet rage. Scary.

MikeyB: The definition of silent but deadly.

Release the hit-loons!

@Wesley You're

hahahaha this is classic:

@MikeyB Hahah

Someone want to try to solve this guy's real problem? (Hint: It's not WoL)

@StackExchange @MichaelHampton what's new?

@PatoSáinz good morning!

@PatoSáinz went to a local meetup, but the person I was meeting forgot :P

@PatoSáinz same here

@PatoSáinz maybe? I'm not organized enough to know

total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html

@PatoSáinz right?

@PatoSáinz and?

@PatoSáinz so do I. in fact I'm setting up a bouncer on my server right now

@PatoSáinz really? huh. it always seemed really complex to me, from the Wikipedia page.

I've read part of the HTTP RFC but not all

@PatoSáinz ewww why?

@PatoSáinz mostly it was the fact that there were multiple servers

and messages propogate among them or something

I never really understood it

@PatoSáinz gross

@PatoSáinz oh, that's not core IRC?

ah

@PatoSáinz right

@PatoSáinz yeah I have a couple things like that too

I used to know a ton about Firefox/Gecko internals. now my knowledge is slowly fading into obsolescence. mostly because I've unsubscribed from mozilla.dev.platform

two stars, wow. I didn't expect there to be that many systemd fans here

@PatoSáinz you realize that Electrolysis and Australis are both codenames for projects on Firefox, right? not projects of their own?

@PatoSáinz not all of us :P

@PatoSáinz true

I've been using Australis for months on the Nightly channel, I can't wait for it to hit stable

and Electrolysis is looking pretty good too

@PatoSáinz yes

for about a month now there's been an option in nightly builds to open a new window that runs on Electrolysis

there's still a ton of crap broken - e.g., you can't print things - but it's useable

@PatoSáinz you just called me unreasonable

@PatoSáinz yeah, that's the primary reason I'm pissed at Canonical

@PatoSáinz nope. I've considered trying it but even if I did I would never, ever run it on a server. only on personal boxes.

guess again

mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/79874049694/…

Electrolysis in a box

actually the full image is more likely to get stars

also:

mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/79278977640/…

@PatoSáinz yep

@PatoSáinz really. well, I run my server on Arch

@PatoSáinz man, I forgot this is a room full of sysadmins who wouldn't necessarily get the joke.

@PatoSáinz Fuck that, I would not use Gentoo for anything important.

@PatoSáinz I run Arch on it because I find it infinitely easier to administer than other systems

if I was deploying, say, a datacenter, there's no way I'd use Arch. I'd suck it up and use RHEL/CentOS, so that I could get Puppet

@PatoSáinz no joke

@PatoSáinz they have for a couple years or so

@PatoSáinz pacman -S linux-lts

@PatoSáinz shrugs I don't see a point in judging it by something that it didn't do two years ago. if it didn't have package signing, I wouldn't run it on a server. but now it does

@PatoSáinz I've found the devs to be fairly responsive

they make technical decisions. it's a technical distribution.

if you can't back up an idea with technical benefit, they'll ignore you because you're wasting their time.

@PatoSáinz ?

@PatoSáinz shrugs. it's here now.

the reason I like Arch is because I know exactly what is running on my box. exactly.

@PatoSáinz you are in The Comms Room

@PatoSáinz I will admit that I don't know what kernel modules are loaded. but pretty much everything else...

I mean, literally no systemd units ship enabled by default.

nothing runs unless I explicitly enable it.

@PatoSáinz systemd-journald

@PatoSáinz that's handled by systemd's cron implementation

I mean, everything in systemd is turned on.

but services like Apache don't ship enabled

ever

@PatoSáinz Apache wouldn't be. something like ntpd would be turned on really often.

or NetworkMangler.

Arch won't do any autoconfig arcane black magic for you

@PatoSáinz if you need to it's easy. I don't really need to

yet

I need to implement MAC

@PatoSáinz ahahahaha

@PatoSáinz "Reproducible: Always"

complete with the Heartbleed banner at the top

haha I'm looking at that quotes page

dying

hahahaha yes

<3

@PatoSáinz Directory Tiles are very misunderstood. because there was a PR fuckup.

@PatoSáinz fun fact: Gecko has the least amount of rendering bugs as measured by the JQuery project

<3 Gecko

@PatoSáinz yeah. but Brendan did the right thing

are you just reading Mozilla Memes?

@PatoSáinz by stepping down. the community didn't trust him and he recognized that so he did the right thing and stepped down

mjg59.dreamwidth.org/30577.html

@PatoSáinz no, of course not. but a large portion did

@PatoSáinz a large enough portion that it was divisive to the community. and you know what divisiveness leads to (usually).

@PatoSáinz that reminds me of something

did you know that the authenticity portion of SSL was just an afterthought? the guy who invented the protocol at Netscape said that he just kind of tacked it on after the fact with no thought

hence, CAs

screw CAs

ages

I tried out Convergence the other day

everything broke. nothing loaded because I had no notaries configured. and I couldn't add any notaries because none of the buttons in the addon worked, because it hasn't been maintained for 2 years. and in any case, a large portion of the infrastructure is gone

there's an active fork but it makes non-backwards-compatible changes to the client and server protocols so old notaries aren't compatible with it. and there are no public new-style notaries.

@PatoSáinz yeah, night! been really nice talking with you

@PatoSáinz it has around 40 stars on GitHub IIRC

@PatoSáinz really? I thought 40 people was like at least twice the size of the internet. damn.

and with that, I'll go back to configuring ZNC and say good night :P

@PatoSáinz yeah, at first. I like them after though

@PatoSáinz I tried that for a while but I needed a real solution

@PatoSáinz eh. it just didn't suit my style.

@PatoSáinz really

@PatoSáinz Pidgin for everything but I'm considering switching

@PatoSáinz stfu it's fine

it's not the greatest but it's fine

haha ok

heh

my only requirement is that keybindings either work or can be made to work without arrow keys

fun

I bet

that's terrifying

that's a bit how I feel about Skype poking around in ~/.mozilla

I run that shit in a dedicated user

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Skype#Securing_Skype

@PatoSáinz you trace system calls

I haven't done it myself but it's well-known

apparently it also reads DMI information. not sure what that is

@PatoSáinz so do I. it's incredible

@PatoSáinz yeah

@PatoSáinz night!

for the third time :)

G'day

Gooood morning vietnam

G'day

G'day

The answer is: As soon as it costs the business a shitload of money if the service is down... – MichelZ

:D

@PatoSáinz I have no clue what I replied to yesterday. And yes, watching elementary :D

$TIMEOFDAY

Tonight I dreamt I was writing slashfic. And I remember the story. And it was reasonably original and coherent, and probably at least as good as anything I've thought of while awake. My subconscious is weird.

@JennyD Maybe you should get a "Dream Job" then :)

@MichelZ I kind of like my day job, though... But it's weird how I came up with a complete and coherent story for a show I've not watched in years.

@JennyD Today I'm going to watch some eventing - should be good fun

@Iain I'm not sure what eventing translates as - is it like a dressage or jumping competition or something else?

My horse managed to get a kind of boil inside his hoof so he's not been allowed out after it got lanced, because it's mud season. He is Not Amused.

@JennyD dressage/show jumping/cross country

@Iain Cool! Sounds fun!

With any luck we'll see some international riders competing at lower levels with their younger horses too

I was planning to go in the just-for-fun junior maskerade jumping event at the club, but his hoof blew that out of the water. Pity, because I'd thought of a really good dress...

@Iain That's always fun

I usually volunteer at our local events which are very low level, and occasionally go see the international events. I rarely see the ones in beteween.

@JennyD We're reasonably lucky to have 3 places quite close to go watch eventing so we can watch from BE90 to 2* throughout the summer as well as lots of local unaffiliated shows

What's better is that spectators don't get charged much of an entry fee it's usually something like £5/car

There's nowhere local that does dressage above Novice though

@Iain That sounds great! I do live near-ish a lot of places that have mid-range events, but I rarely take the time to go - I need to spend time with my own horse, and since neither husband nor girlfriend are interested in watching, what time I have left to spend with them tends to be something that they too enjoy.

Although I've now got a friend who lives close to me and who likes horses, so we might go some time just for fun.

@JennyD Today will be a bit chilly but the others we go to will be quite warm so it's a nice day out in the country

@Iain Today I'm going to give Prime some exercise in the paddock and then go home and have some friends over to see the new house

good morning

hey dawud

@JourneymanGeek meta.stackexchange.com/questions/230048/…

Just heard a bump and then a scrabblerunscrabblepouncescrabblerun. Apparently one of the cats found the box of cat toys.

All I'm hearing from our cats atm is zzzZZZzzz

We let them out for the first time in the new place yesterday. They have been trying to tell us the whole morning that the door is currently broken and we should fix it again so they can continue their claiming of the domain.

@Iain: zzzZZZzzz here as well :)