The Comms Room

ewwhite

18:03

@JoelESalas You young people just can't follow.

TheCleaner

@NathanC good find!

@faker ah...now THAT makes sense.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite See what does that even mean

ewwhite

@JoelESalas It means you're not thinking quickly enough!

Travis

@ewwhite I follow folks all the time..on twitter

ewwhite

:(

edvinas.me

18:15

hi

ewwhite

Puppet

edvinas.me

];

Ryan Ries

Just seen in an internal critical notification and response email: "Dev Ops is currently working to restore the VM's"

Just thought that was funny for some reason

ewwhite

@RyanRies ~~currently~~ frantically

Ryan Ries

This place is pissing me off... seems like we can't do the most routine maintenance without breaking shit

"OK, ready to reboot the SAN."
*30 minutes later*
"Shit, looks like your virtual machines are gone."
*30 minutes later*
"Shit, looks like those backups that we never test turned out to be worthless!"

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ewwhite

18:20

You're supposed to test backups?

Ryan Ries

Heh

Unless you like a false sense of security :)

ewwhite

really... do people do anything beyond the periodic restore test?

Ryan Ries

We should but we don't

And then we act surprised when the restore doesn't work

Nathan C

@RyanRies Reminds me of when I found that all of our backups were actually silently failing...for 2 months

Ryan Ries

Ugh

Nathan C

18:23

Everything was backing up to our external drive (which is taken off-site), but the backup software on the servers weren't sending data and weren't emailing either since the mail stuff was busted

(the person who set up the software put hard IPs in it instead of our mail server's A record, and we changed IP schemes...)

Ryan Ries

That's got to be one of the worst things about working for such a huge organization, is that you have to rely on so many other teams to take care of their respective pieces... and relying on other people to get things right burns me so much.

Nathan C

Yep...and when one group fails to do so something, the C-alphabet soup is breathing down your neck

Chris S

@ewwhite Anytime I make a change to our backup system's configuration I do a complete set of tests.

Any part of a backup system that hasn't been tested should be assumed failed.

^I have learned this lesson the hard way...

BigHomie

@RyanRies Tell me about it

Braiam

You guys may reconsider the historical lock of this question. It only has 96 views in 4 years so I doubt that the relevance is a concern

Michael Hampton

18:37

@Braiam I could just delete it instead...

Braiam

@MichaelHampton I wasn't proposing something so radical and hoping yourself reach that conclusion ;)

EEAA

@MichaelHampton I vote for deletion. Crap question, crap answers, little value.

Michael Hampton

@Braiam Well it's not going to be reopened, so I don't see much point in doing anything.

EEAA

At least the sever monitoring canonical Q gets used frequently as a close/dupe. We don't have all that many people asking about terminal clients. :)

Braiam

@MichaelHampton well, the historical lock was meant for useful information, I was only asking to reconsider it so if you as mod doesn't want to act singlehandedly in the issue at least allow fellow members to decide ;)

Nathan C

18:40

@Braiam Why that question of all things?

Not like anyone cares that it's locked...

Michael Hampton

@Braiam Why are you questioning this? It's so blatantly inappropriate that I don't see a problem with a moderator closing it.

BigHomie

^

EEAA

Perhaps @Braiam works for a company that makes terminal emulators. :)

Braiam

@NathanC @MichaelHampton you guys think its good information to keep around?

I mean, it's worth?

BigHomie

@EEAA And wants to provide his own answer....

EEAA

18:42

@BigHomie Exactly.

Michael Hampton

I'm sure there are a few poor souls out there who still have to talk to an ancient mainframe, but still...

TheCleaner

@MichaelHampton AS/400 count?

EEAA

@MichaelHampton Honestly, how many people in those environments get to choose what they use anyway? It's likely forced down their throat by central IT.

Michael Hampton

@TheCleaner Probably :)

Braiam

ok, let me state clearly my position, some guys were using it as reference for another site to make a point into allowing this kind of questions

Michael Hampton

18:43

@EEAA Central IT might want to make a decision about what to use?

Braiam

so my own course of action if I had say in the matter will be "delete it"

Michael Hampton

@Braiam Where is this argument taking place? And if you say hacker news I will probably laugh.

EEAA

BELETED!!!

Braiam

@MichaelHampton meta.UL, was an old thread but may send the wrong signals about what you guys are

meh, was deleted and I'm happy :)

Michael Hampton

U&L is rather unique on the network...they allow a lot of types of questions that aren't allowed elsewhere, such as shopping questions.

Chris S

18:49

U&L allows shopping Qs??

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Sometimes.

There's a meta UL post about it somewhere I'll have to dig up again

Braiam

@MichaelHampton really? I mean, I haven't seen one but I'm sure as heck I would vtc it

Danila Ladner

@EEAA It's forced down to them Putin's way.

"My way or highway."

Braiam

@MichaelHampton you mean this one? meta.unix.stackexchange.com/q/600/41104

Michael Hampton

@Braiam Yeah, that's one of them

EEAA

18:55

Any CCM gurus in the house? I grok asterisk but not any other VoIP really:

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Q: How do I change the default extension that Cisco auto attendant dials when it can't find an extension?

How do I change the default extension that Cisco auto attendant dials when it can't find an extension or 'dial-by-name' name? Our former network engineer has auto-attendant answering calls to x100 (our main number) and forwarding to x898 (our auto-attendant). Then, if you are unable to find some...

BigHomie

@MichaelHampton Hardware included?

EEAA

(it's sorta a crap question, though)

Chris S

@Braiam Yeah, that's not so much 'allowing shopping' as it expressed the nuanced nature of the atypical shopping Q. Those rules would mostly apply to SF as well, though with more scrutiny for the last remark when considering the others.

Michael Hampton

@BigHomie See above.

BigHomie

@MichaelHampton haha thnx

Michael Hampton

18:56

I recall seeing another one about software recommendations, though I can't seem to find it right now.

Braiam

@ChrisS I see that they are not bikeshed "what should I buy" but more "what should I look for when buying"

AzkerM

Hi! I'm quiet confuse on whether to report a question or advise the OP to post in on another stack site. Can I post the link here and get some advise?

Ry Jones

you might as well post the link now

AzkerM

thank Ry!! Okay, what do we do to these typo's? > askubuntu.com/questions/447750/php-doesnt-work-on-apache-server

BigHomie

@MichaelHampton Awesome, well, in case anybody care's to weight in...

0

Q: Topic clarification: Native Linux tablets

I wanted to know if the following question was on topic here. I asked this on SU somewhile back and it was closed as off topic. The revisions of the question are here, below is the original question: Does there exist a tablet that will run linux natively? I don't need recommendations, I just ...

discussion on-topic

Chris S

19:09

@AzkerM Do not ask OPs to repost - ever - this is how crossposting get's started. If you're sure it should be somewhere else VTC-Migrate or Flag for a mod to handle. If you're not so sure, comment that the other site might be more appropriate and that they can request a migration by Flagging.

Ry Jones

I'm not sure where to migrate this question

Michael Hampton

I wouldn't migrate it at all. I'd use AU's "can't be reproduced" close reason.

AzkerM

Thank you @ChrisS for the advise. Why I asked is because the discussion on PHP not working Ubuntu came down to an issue where OP has in his script. As per my knowledge it should go to programming as a new post rather than migrating. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Chris S

@AzkerM Sounds like the original question wouldn't be on-topic on SO, so probably best to just start new... But that's an odd case.

Ry Jones

I'm going to make a wild guess: his file starts with a BOM and PHP is choking on it

AzkerM

19:16

Indeed @ChrisS. That's what I'm planning on commenting & advising the OP that it would best fit into programming rather than dragging this along. Can I go ahead with that?

Ry Jones

since the copy-paste of the test.php works, it's something structural in his file, and i'm going to guess php sees the BOM and dies.

Nathan C

@RyJones He's using short tags i think

I had an old script do that a few days ago and I realized I used short tags in the code and they're turned off by default

Ry Jones

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Q: UTF-8 BOM signature in PHP files

I was writing some commented PHP classes and I stumbled upon a problem. My name (for the @author tag) ends up with a ș (which is a UTF-8 character, ...and a strange name, I know). Even though I save the file as UTF-8, some friends reported that they see that character totally messed up (È™). Thi...

php utf-8 character-encoding byte-order-mark

Jacob

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Q: Why apache2 service doesn't work?

I am trying to install apache2 web server on ubuntu 10.10 as a beginner, but I don't have access to the repositories in the application center. So I try to download the source package of apache2 and install it. I downloaded the package from http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/precise/apache2 and in...

apache2 webserver

Uh, why would you ever build Apache?

Ry Jones

BOM would cause Headers already sent error, so, you can't use BOM in PHP files

@NathanC good call

BigHomie

19:18

@Jacob same reason you'd build any package I imagine; either you need cutting edge features, you're modifying the source, or both

Nathan C

@AzkerM by the way, Apache does parse PHP in non-PHP extensions if you have the tags in it

Jacob

@BigHomie Yeah, but that's when you sort of understand what you're doing...

Nathan C

Unless you're using php-fpm and Apache is not set to pass it

BigHomie

@Jacob lol fair enough, but that doesn't mean you'll know every problem you're going to run into, that's just narcissism

AzkerM

@NathanC TBH, I'm not much of a good coder but I had took this question to see whether I can help and check the lamp-functions properly as he didn't post any screens at start.

Nathan C

19:20

@AzkerM Fair enough. Those meta packages can be a pain but generally they install all the needed bits and work out of the box

Ry Jones

@Jacob Huh, that guy is going to localhost.com... interesting

Chris S

@AzkerM Absolutely

Jacob

@RyJones Neat Tucows owns it

Dennis Kaarsemaker

BigHomie

@DennisKaarsemaker It's called a meteor now go back to your hole and finish turning into my gasoline.

AzkerM

19:23

@ChrisS I have a feeling that the OP doesn't seems to have an idea about PHP. I'm not complaining but he seems lost.

Chris S

@DennisKaarsemaker I regularly have nightmares about people in control of my data losing it... I'm a touch of a control freak, but I've learned my lessons about backup and such, I don't lose data anymore.

BigHomie

@DennisKaarsemaker OR: If all your data is in the cloud, it will most certainly be raining in your organization that day.

Jacob

@ChrisS It's not being a control freak, we understand that the "cloud" is not some think were everything just works and never breaks.

AzkerM

19:37

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I can't stop laughing whenever I see this... :P

Ryan Ries

I haven't updated my iPhone in like 3 years... but... I don't want to install iTunes. :(

Michael Hampton

@RyanRies Use a VM.

Ryan Ries

That's exactly what I was thinking

BigHomie

@RyanRies Something wrong w/ Android

AzkerM

Oh yeah! VM would come in handy

Ryan Ries

19:44

I happen to have a VM right here at home that I install all manner of trash on

It's named 'DEVOPS01'

Chris S

@AzkerM I'd rather have a slightly bruised nugget than a proboscis inserted into it.

Ry Jones

damn, I just mailed my last high-speed usb flash drive to my daughter, and I need one to set up one of those linux-vm-on-a-stick thingys

Ryan Ries

@BigHomie My work gave me an Android phone and I don't like it... the quality of both the hardware and the UX are just nowhere near the iPhone... but I'm not much of a phone person overall. When I finally upgrade I think I'll try a Windows phone, but I don't use my smart phone for much these days, except for talking, texting, and maybe playing Angry Birds when I'm sitting on the throne.

AzkerM

@ChrisS haha!

Ryan Ries

And I bought my GF a Kindle Fire a while back and it is super-buggy POS... that said she still never puts it down.

Ry Jones

19:48

@RyanRies hey man I worked on that super buggy POS

Ryan Ries

Heheh, did you have any beta testers??? :)

Like... User Acceptance Testing!

Ry Jones

can't say, I was on a team pretty deeply buried.

BigHomie

@RyanRies Wait wait wait, Android phones are not created equal, unlike iPhones, just something to keep in mind when looking at your next phone is all.

Ryan Ries

That's pretty cool... what did you work on?

BigHomie

@RyJones Sounds like a terror cell.......

;)

Michael Hampton

19:50

@RyanRies Of course, work would find the cheapest, crappiest phone they possibly could. That's what happens when you let beancounters make purchasing decisions.

Ry Jones

I worked on a UI component consumed by all of the amazon apps a couple levels up, users would never directly test just that.

Chris S

@RyanRies What Homie said. I only buy HTC, top-notch stuff. I had printing in Android years before KitKat, and all sorts of other "normal" stuff. My dad has a Motorola, and my Father-in-law has an LG G2 - both suck pretty hard compared to the HTC phones I bought for my mom, sister, wife, and mother-in-law.

Ryan Ries

@MichaelHampton You are right on that, the hardware is pretty shitty, and that does not do the OS any favors.

Ry Jones

The app teams were responsible for integration testing

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Personally I didn't like the Sense UI. Give me straight up Android on an HTC and I'll be all over it.

Chris S

19:52

@MichaelHampton You can disable most of the Sense stuff these days.. I happen to love Sense, but can appreciate your point of view.

Ryan Ries

I jailbroke my iPhone a long time ago, now I kinda' want to wipe it and reset it all to factory defaults but I'm too lazy to go look up how to do it, if there are any other special steps besides just hooking it up to iTunes and wiping it.

Chris S

OTOH I'm annoyed by my Nexus 10's "bare-bones" UI. And the top row can only be a Google search bar; you can't put anything else there.

BigHomie

Kevin Soviero

Is it too much to ask for technology to just work?

Ry Jones

@RyanRies do the reset in general settings then blow the new OS onto it

EEAA

19:54

Lotta non-answer "answers" here:

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Q: Meraki wireless access point disconnects clients

We have a Meraki MR16 Cloud Managed AP and it disconnects certain clients. The clients with Intel wireless cards work without any disconnects. The Meraki reports the follow in its event log: Sep 4 09:55:47 WPA authentication Sep 4 09:55:47 802.11 association channel: 11, rssi: ...

authentication wifi wpa

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS That seems to be more or less standard Android these days.

Ryan Ries

@RyJones Sweet, thanks. I don't use apps very often these days, but I am starting to get annoyed when I do try to go install an app and my version of IOS is too old for it

Michael Hampton

But the grid size is the same as before, so you haven't "technically" lost any space.

BigHomie

@KevinSoviero Actually, sometimes, it is too much to ask for technology to 'just work'

Ry Jones

@RyanRies if all you do is play games, buy an iPad mini or one of the iPod touches. they're nice for that

Michael Hampton

19:56

@EEAA I have to sympathize. I threw my Meraki in the junkbox for exactly this problem.

EEAA

@MichaelHampton I don't doubt there are issues. I have one of their APs, but haven't used it yet.

Ryan Ries

@RyJones I think the most used app on my iPhone is a subnet calculator :)

Ry Jones

@RyanRies you can't do that in your head? :)

Ryan Ries

I knew you were going to ask me that... I can do basic subnetting in my head, but I have like 3000 /26s and /27s all commingled together here at work and it gets confusing. :)

But yeah I do know some savant-like CCIEs that can do any sort of subnet math in their heads without even having to think about it... but not me. QQ

Ry Jones

@RyanRies understood. I was being snarky, anyway, I always use a calculator just to be sure I'm answering the right question

Ryan Ries

20:00

I think if I worked with layers 1-3 more often I'd be a lot better at it

BigHomie

@RyanRies Subnet security?

Ryan Ries

@BigHomie Just an extremely complicated network... we have various departments that all have their own subnets, multi-tenant environments with tenants having their own subnets -- including tenants with overlapping IP address space with our own internal IPs -- in two dozen datacenters around the globe... if I go into our CMDB and search for all subnet objects, there's seriously like 3000 or more in there

20 years of mergers and acquisitions and it never #$*$ing fails that the newly-acquired company was using the exact same IP address space. Or something even stupider like they were using non-RFC 1918 addresses internally, etc.

Kevin Soviero

I sent that Chinese wisdom cartoon about the mosquito around my office... They were not amused. ;)

Ryan Ries

1.0.0.0/8s... 1.0.0.0/8s everywhere...

Michael Hampton

@RyanRies You didn't need to talk to anyone in Australia, right?

Chris S

20:09

Last place I worked used 192/8 when I started...

Ryan Ries

@MichaelHampton That could definitely adversely affect our ability to break into that market, that's for sure! ;)

It makes configuring edge firewalls a dangerous game too, because allowing 1.0.0.0/8 a free pass is normal in other areas of the company... then suddenly you've got Australian spammers using your internal SMTP relays to send spam... :P

That's never actually happened that I'm aware of, but I'm imagining...

BigHomie

I thought you were doing something like

Accounting on subnet 254.254.254.254

Finance on subnet 255.255.233.255

IT on 255.255.233.0

Michael Hampton

Parts of 1. are also allocated to various other South Asian countries...

BigHomie

I've never seen it in practice, probably b/c it's a managerial nightmare, but it is valid, albeit unorthodox, subnetting

Ryan Ries

@BigHomie It's more like ... Customer 1 with a dedicated environments gets a subnet in 1 datacenter, and another subnet in another datacenter, Customer 2 with a dedicated environment gets another subnet in one DC, and another subnet in another DC, shared hosting business gets separate subnets for compute network, storage network, backup network, each per datacenter... multiply that times a dozen poorly-integrated acquired business units, etc.

BigHomie

20:19

@RyanRies It's even worse than I thought....

Ryan Ries

And some datacenters are carrier neutral while others or not, so we have to dance that dance, so in some areas I have to NAT traffic to get onto other networks

Nathan C

@RyanRies ...VLANs?

Ryan Ries

If this chat transcript were off the record, I'd tell you a funny story about VLANs at work :)

Something like "how many VLANs can you plug into a Nexus switch before it craters"

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MikeyB

@RyanRies 4k, 5k or 7k?

84104

@RyanRies IPv6 everything!

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Nathan C

20:30

kce

@Basil - Thanks. That's a great answer.

Jacob

@RyanRies Don't you work for a carrier though?

Ryan Ries

@84104 Actually IPv6 will solve a great many of our problems internally, and we've handed over a few design proposals to get the ball rolling on IPv6 but they're still getting shot down because IPv6 is still too crazy and complicated and confusing for people I guess. :(

MikeyB

@RyanRies Oh… I see what's going wrong. You're giving people a choice.

Ryan Ries

@Jacob Yes but you have to play by other people's rules if you want to pass your traffic through a datacenter that you don't own. :)

Michael Hampton

20:37

@RyanRies You can do it now, or you can do it a year from now as an emergency project and pay twice as much...

Jacob

@RyanRies Isn't supposed to already be deployed?

Chris S

I have to laugh when a password of 32 random upper/lower/numbers gets rated as "Medium" because it doesn't have any symbols... Also, this is for an Internet radio website...

84104

@RyanRies I think at this point all IPv6 problems are actually people problems.

Chris S

Anyone else try Win8.1 U1 yet? It's.... different

84104

@ChrisS Couldn't it just have been 8.2? What fresh hell is this naming scheme?

Ryan Ries

20:42

@ChrisS I like it... I like having 'Modern' apps show up on the task bar now so I know that they're running instead of them just being hidden in the background

Chris S

@84104 I'm sure some Manager made a name for himself internally by tacking on 8 extra characters to the name instead of incrementing the version.

@RyanRies Yeah, I think I like all the changes so far... But I didn't realize there would be so many little changes like that.

Ryan Ries

@Jacob I think as a consumer, you can get ipv6 if you have FIOS, but internally? Nah...

Chris S

Also, so long "SkyDrive" - I welcome our new overlord "OneDrive"

Jacob

@RyanRies No v6 for me.

Anonymous

Perl language's popularity hits all-time low

Anonymous

20:46

;_;

Ryan Ries

Yeah it sucks that they had to change the name, I liked Skydrive better... we have a product that we had to change the name of because it resembled a publically traded stock symbol. Such crap. :P

Ry Jones

@RyanRies metro, skydrive

Chris S

I just can't get onboard with Ruby and Python. Especially Ruby, all the frameworks are slow as hell... can't figure out why anyone would use it.

Ryan Ries

MS needs to do more research first before naming their products :)

MikeyB

@RyanRies On a separate but related note, I think it should be a criminal offense to market yourself as a CDN without supporting IPv6

Chris S

20:48

@RyanRies I think its to be consistent with the X-Bone branding.

Ryan Ries

Ahhh

MikeyB

@ChrisS Python is sooooo nice to read and write.

Ryan Ries

In that case, that's better than Xbox Sky!

MikeyB

@PatoSáinz The world doesn't have any problems that require perl anymore.

Anonymous

@MikeyB sure, if you like obnoxious ____aLL CAPS AND UNDERSCORES----

Anonymous

20:49

@MikeyB not specifically

Chris S

@RyanRies They have a whole legal team of a dozen lawyers just for that. The cases against them lately have been very weak at best. Metro was total BS, but someone might win a 12 BILLION dollar case against them, they can't take that risk.

84104

@MikeyB "Whitespace should totally be syntax guys."

Michael Hampton

Chris S

Perl's syntax is too flexible for my liking, but I just ignore those constructs and stick to something akin to C/C++

MikeyB

@84104 listen you fuckers, look at this sexy sexy code: https://gist.github.com/Supermathie/10681756#file-parsecsv-py
I bet @ChrisS can understand it without knowing a lick of Python.

Chris S

20:51

I think that's a large part of Perl's decline, used to be "Coders" worked on everything. Now you don't hire a "C Programmer" to do web stuff, you hire someone who just knows web stuffs.

MikeyB

@MichaelHampton What extension is that?

Chris S

@MikeyB I do know a lick of Python, but just a lick.

Ryan Ries

@MikeyB Now make it handle an indeterminate number of elements per row :)

84104

@MikeyB I actually like everything else about it, and the whitespace only bothers me when working with other people. How many spaces is a tab again?

MikeyB

@RyanRies IT ALREADY DOES! :D (oh, you mean incomplete rows so a given row may not have data for "Column A" for instance?)

Michael Hampton

20:52

@MikeyB IPvFox

Anonymous

@MikeyB LOL! I'd rather just use cpan and call a quick function from that module with the file as an argument, then just load it to a hashref

Anonymous

or like you pythonists call it "dictionary"

MikeyB

@PatoSáinz have fun with that 4TB .csv file (unless you tie())

Ryan Ries

Weird, the Column A, Column B, Column C thing tricked me... I assumed it'd only do a three-column CSV

Chris S

@PatoSáinz Also, based on search engine usage... I don't Google for Perl help very often, usually just Perl.org, CPAN.org, and PerlMonks.org

Ryan Ries

20:54

But I have no Python skills

I'm considering picking it up though, since all the ~~hackers~~ security researchers use it and I find what they do very interesting.

Chris S

It's extremely readable - so hacking through code is quite easy.

BigHomie

He Speaks.

Chris S

Also, getting a good IDE with auto-complete makes a world of difference. I use Eclipse for everything.

Ryan Ries

I was really impressed by that Heartbleed Python script, at how much they were able to do with so little code... I started to think about how I might reproduce that in Powershell or C#, and damn, learning Python would be easier.

Chris S

@BigHomie I just want to know if the NSA paid him off to slip that "mistake" in there.

Matthew Ife

20:57

Dont blame on malice what can be easily attributed to stupidity, etc.

MikeyB

@RyanRies you'll appreciate this: norvig.com/spell-correct.html (distance spelling corrector in 21 non-ridiculous lines of Python)

BigHomie

@ChrisS That'd be scary.

@ChrisS However though, dev, up late, new years eve, party hanging in the balance... NOT the best time to be committing OpenSSL code.

Chris S

@BigHomie Scary?? I'm not even much of a conspiracy theorist and that sounds perfectly plausible to me.

BigHomie

@ChrisS That they'd do business w/ a German national? CIA perhaps, but the NSA?

84104

@BigHomie Pfft! What's the worst that could happen? ;)

@BigHomie NSA is supposed to be about Foreign SIGINT, so yes.

BigHomie

21:00

@84104 A big, gaping hole, in 2/3rds of the internet.

84104

@BigHomie Internet is just a fad anyway.

BigHomie

@84104 Good point. You mean they would do that knowing they may be spying on Americans?? NEVER

....

And on that note...

Matthew Ife

I dont think its a conspiracy, once code is committed and has been reviewed up the chain and passed the checks, the chances are that nobody will look at it again for perhaps years and years.

Chris S

@84104 NSA was initially supposed to help secure us against foreign threats... Like through cryptography. Now they "secure us" by protecting us from ourselves, our privacy, and our freedom if we step over the wrong lines.'

Jacob

Frankly, the NSA doesn't need to insert flaws, it just has to find them. It's much cleaner, and they have the resources to expend on it.

cole

21:04

yo

Ryan Ries

@MikeyB Nice... here's one of my favorite C# snippets, from an HTTP server that I wrote: pastebin.com/swLyyXts

So whatever your tokenizer is, like %%token%% it replaces every instance throughout your text

84104

@cole ¿Usted?

mossy

@cole how was PAX

I like your hat

cole

@mossy it was long. I'm very tired today.

I met Matt Simmons too.

By far one of the nicest people I've ever met.

Kevin Soviero

21:28

I got bored and made a list of words made up of only hex characters: pastebin.com/awU7smp2

I'm surprised at how few there are actually.

Jacob

@KevinSoviero Some of those aren't words :)

@cole Yeah he's awesome.

cole

Few weeks till LOPSA East!

Kevin Soviero

@Jacob They're listed as official words under /usr/share/dict/words

84104

@KevinSoviero feed:face:dead:beef is generally an entertaining IPv6 suffix.

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Jacob

@cole I'm bringing back his HDD. I need to stop by the sci dept to borrow their Electron Microscope.

Michael Hampton

21:32

@84104 I have seen 1:face:bad:c0de

cole

I'm surprised he recognized me - then I realized being a short as I am, I'm easily recognized.

Mark Henderson

@84104 facebook.com's AAAA is 2a03:2880:2110:df07:face:b00c:0:1

Kevin Soviero

Tonight's passover, and I can't decide if I should be let off early to be able to get home in time to be there when the festivities (if you can call it that) start...

*ask to be let off early that is

Katherine Villyard

@KevinSoviero I think you should.

Kevin Soviero

@KatherineVillyard I only started here ~1 month ago, so that's why I'm unsure.

Katherine Villyard

21:42

@KevinSoviero Ahhh.

Kevin Soviero

I don't want to look like I'm trying to get out of doing worl

Tanner

@KevinSoviero probably not then

Kevin Soviero

@Tanner Ya, unfortunately, I think I agree

Katherine Villyard

@KevinSoviero I don't know your local culture, so I can't speak to that.

84104

@KevinSoviero I don't need the answer to these questions, but how early is early? How time sensitive is the stuff that you will be putting off?

Kevin Soviero

21:45

@84104 15 minutes early, and the initial stuff is just talking to people, and seeing people I haven't seen since last year.

Katherine Villyard

@KevinSoviero And you don't need to elaborate, but if you have religious coworkers, even if it's a different religion, they might understand.

Of course, I'm in the South. ;)

Kevin Soviero

@KatherineVillyard Well, on that note, I'm not religious at all, I just follow the traditions like most Jewish people do.

84104

@KevinSoviero I meant work stuff. If it's only 15 minutes, might as well ask. Though advanced notification is better.

Katherine Villyard

@KevinSoviero :D

Kevin Soviero

@84104 I'm just going to stay, I'll miss ~30 minutes, but that's no big deal. Just would have been nice to get there on time is all.

84104

21:47

@KevinSoviero You know more about your situation than I do.

Kevin Soviero

@KatherineVillyard Eh?

Katherine Villyard

@KevinSoviero My best friend is Jewish, so I always make it a point to stand up for coworkers who want to go home for holidays. The smile was because you sound like her father.

But of course, you know your situation better than I do.

84104

@KatherineVillyard In a strange twist, possibly involving time machines, it turns out that he actually is your best friends father.

Katherine Villyard

@84104 Hee!

Kevin Soviero

@84104 It better involve time machines since I'm in my 20's!

Katherine Villyard

21:56

@KevinSoviero Whippersnapper. ;)

Brrrr.

The office has their AC set to "meat locker."

@KevinSoviero Happy Passover if you're still here--I hope you've left the building!

ewwhite

Troll4lyfe

Katherine Villyard

@ewwhite ? :)

freiheit

22:12

@KatherineVillyard Isn't that what office AC is always supposed to be set to? Don't want office workers overheating from all the intense brain work.

Katherine Villyard

@freiheit Heh. It seems like it always is. I spend all summer whining about it. ;)

It's worse than usual because it was in the 70s and then rained heavily.

freiheit

Come to think of it, at lunch I did have a small discussion/disagreement with co-workers about what constitutes "shorts weather". I suggested anything over 60F is shorts weather.

Another co-worker thinks that anything under 80 is hoodie weather.

Katherine Villyard

Heh.

Well, I did wear a hoodie when it was in the 70s, but that was because I was expecting rain.

Chris S

Selling an item eBay. Sold today. Buyer's eBay, E-Mail, Paypal, and Ship To names are all different. The Ship To address is a re-shipper known for being used by scammers. If this isn't a scam I don't know what is.

ewwhite

@kath I only see parts of conversations here, due to active chat blocking.

Katherine Villyard

22:18

@ewwhite Ahh.

@freiheit I'm more like this, even though I'm in Georgia instead. i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7896795136/h66F5AFFA

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Must have been an item worth scamming for

ewwhite

22:45

so what have I missed?

MikeyB

@freiheit Anything over 10℃/50℉ is shorts weather. #canada

Katherine Villyard

@MikeyB Heh.

Mark Henderson

@MikeyB Fuck no. It's 17c here today and I'm wearing a sweater

freiheit

@MikeyB Is that a dry 50F, or an SF Bay Area 50F?

Katherine Villyard

i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7896795136/h66F5AFFA

MikeyB

22:49

Closer to SF bay area humidity. Frigging surrounded by 3 great lakes over here man. (oh hey humidity is only 85% now)

Katherine Villyard

@ewwhite Just complaining about excessive AC. :)

ewwhite

I'm in Seattle today, but I hear it was snowing in Chicago. No neeeeeeed for A/C.

Katherine Villyard

67 and raining in the ATL. AC set to Ice Hotel.

freiheit

@MikeyB When I left the house (on my bicycle) this morning, it was 48F and theoretically 98% humidity, but I think that 98% was actually at a bit of elevation, and the ground fog brought it a bit over 100% (had to wipe the mist off my sunglasses a couple times).

MikeyB

@freiheit The fog doesn't roll in over the mountains here in the impressive way it does in .ca.us but still, Ew, humidity.

ewwhite

22:54

Is it possible to outsource network diagramming?

MikeyB

@ewwhite Yes. :)

ewwhite

@MikeyB what's a fair rate or scope for such a thing?

MikeyB

I get my daughter to do it. (not really but I should)

ewwhite

(all @MikeyB credibility is lost)

freiheit

@MikeyB On a really awesomely foggy day you can see thick tendrils, like some sort of giant fog cthulhu crawling over the world. Lately it's just been a thick blanket that comes up overnight, though.

Joel E Salas

22:55

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ewwhite

@JoelESalas You don't do it, do you?

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Don't do what

ewwhite

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2 mins ago, by ewwhite

Is it possible to outsource network diagramming?

MikeyB

@ewwhite Well we've done it for our usual $150/hr rate but if I were to pay... man I dunno.

ewwhite

@MikeyB What would you need in order to assess or do it remotely?

Client wants me to do it... because their internal IT dudes and dudettes won't.

Katherine Villyard

22:59

Time to go home. See ya!

ewwhite

@KatherineVillyard Nighty.

84104

@ewwhite SNMP if their routers and switches are setup right.

ewwhite

@84104 not entirely... it's a little tricky

84104

@ewwhite Also, depends if logical or physical.

MikeyB

Probably existing docs, network maps or switch/router/wan configs and a small sample of expected result.

ewwhite

23:01

There's a switch here that we don't have access to.

serial console is disabled and nobody knows the configuration of the device.

freiheit

MikeyB

Running lldp? Cdp? Snmp? Anything?

ewwhite

but otherwise, there isn't much. I may try to add a probe to the network to try to discover things

Observium or similar

I really want to try netbraintech.com

MikeyB

If you can enable lldp on all/most devices, that's a nice start.

ewwhite

It's like netgear stuff

MikeyB

23:05

@ewwhite I know for a fact Netgear supports lldp

ewwhite

@MikeyB That's a thizz face

MikeyB

@ewwhite No, that's my O face.

ewwhite

@JoelESalas Thizz.

@MikeyB Well, okay :(

MikeyB

We don't have meth in Canada except for Rob Ford, remember.

freiheit

@MikeyB I'm sure the US would be happy to send you some of our meth heads.

MikeyB

23:20

And take American jerbs? Not likely. (oh, wait, NVM, the US doesn't do mental health)

drops mike

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite That's a good thizz face

ewwhite

@JoelESalas Exactly.

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