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21:00
so... I just learned how to build a windows failover cluster on azure haha, its a bitch
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Dan
:D
I really need to get in on the azure shit
bad enough that Microsoft created a script to handle it...
if you can find it
which was the biggest pain of all
@Dan azure is fun
Dan
Dan
Liar.
More fun than AWS. :P
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21:02
It's cloud, and we all know that the only thing clouds bring is rain and thunder
@Dan no no no the new fad is "the fog"
@Dan and rain makes corn
and corn makes whiskey
and whiskey makes...
Dan
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@MarkHenderson Like the fog of war - yeah, sounds like my day
@MarkHenderson hah, I'm going to start calling it that.
users tolerable
21:03
And the only thing Fog does is obscure your vision and get in your way
"Should we put it in the Fog?"
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I found out today that I've done myself out of a weeks consulting by automating myself out of a job
@MarkHenderson and lets the kangaroo's sneak up on you easier to steal your wallet?
@MarkHenderson For a second I thought it was April 1st.
That has to be a joke.
21:06
@MarkHenderson too many buzz words... brain broke
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It's the one thing I loathe about IT
Fucking buzzword bullshit
@HopelessN00b well, if you want, send me a resume. if you don't, that's OK too. I'm looking for a generalist sysadmin with a security interest for a 25-person company.
@Dan right?
@HopelessN00b what certs are you looking @?
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@FalconMomot I wasted 3 hours at a sales thing and walked away not having a fucking clue what the product actually did or how it worked
@Dan I feel this also
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21:10
I tried to get the guy to simply tell me how it physically connects to my infrastructure, and they just kept on with the fucking words
my product is very easy to explain. it accepts crashdumps via HTTPS, and sends SMTP emails back to you about all the exploits we found in them.
Dan
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@FalconMomot Hi, Falcon, would you like to know how I can converge your user experience and leverage infrastructure resources to ensure maximum return on availability and uptime. Our product is revolutionary and will work with any existing infrastructure by using a fabric model
@Dan It's 2014, The cloud is a legitimate layer 1 connection.
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@Dan yeah, I will short your stock.
@Dan <ears ringing>
Oh goodness, more snow
21:25
@FalconMomot (not a euphamism)
Because I know you've all been on pins and needles since this morning. I ended up getting the LG G2 at Best Buy. They had it for free on sale, so a Nexus 5 (albeit not vanilla but better battery life) for free, that's good enough for me.
@TheCleaner Wait they were just "free"
Wuh, just got an accept on an answer from over a year ago.
@MarkHenderson ?
@MarkHenderson Mobile phones are often subsidized in the US by lower upfront cost and higher monthly rates over a contract term.
21:30
@MichaelHampton Oh, so they weren't just giving it away. You had to sign up on a contract
Yeah ok that's the same here
Just the way it was phrased confused me
Free means no upfront cost. The way of the world :-\.
@MarkHenderson The key thing is that for many of them, you have to pay that higher contract cost anyways, so you might as well upgrade when there's a new phone out to maximize your return on that hidden cost. In California you still have to pay sales tax on the full value of the phone,. though.
@MatthewIfe I don't think you'd get away with calling it free here. You'd get it on a "$0 upfront" or something
@freiheit Yeah there's plans here where you pay extra per month but get a new phone every year
I'm still rocking my iPhone 4s
And I would still have my 4 if I hadn't put it through the washing machine and got a new one on insurance
I'm still rocking my Nokia 1120.
It does calls and text.
@MatthewIfe oooooooooooooh
Predictive text?
21:34
Yeah.
Oh. And i've yet to recharge it. Got it 18 months ago. Got 2 bars left.
@MarkHenderson I just upgraded to a 5s a few weeks ago. The trade-in value of the 4s paid enough for taxes and most of getting a memory upgrade on it...
@freiheit I am holding out for the 6
5 and 5s were underwhelming
I'm hoping that the underwhelmingness of the 6 combined with the 5 and 5s will justify an upgrade
@MarkHenderson Yeah, for me on Verizon I was due for an "upgrade" (read: same price as a new sign up) back last summer. So by saying "I'll stay with you Verizon for 2 more years" I got the phone free. Not all are free though.
Get a Windows phone. They put a metro in their metro so you can metro while you metro.
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@MarkHenderson Honestly, I didn't hold out for the 6 because my girlfriend and I are on a family plan thing and with her cracked screen at about contract expiration time it seemed logical, and I couldn't have her having a nicer phone than me, could I?
21:36
@freiheit hahahaha my wife dropped her 3G in a bucket of water 4 years ago in a sleep deprived state after the birth of our son. So she got MY 3G and I went back to a Nokia for two months waiting for my plan to expire
Now if that aint love...
Also: She ravaged her body for our children. I ravaged my body for chips and softdrink and pies and beer and burgers and all other sorts of delicious foods
It was the least I could do
@TheCleaner I am not changing my phone for a while, I think. I have one of the last few remaining unlimited data plans. But I'll lose it if I get a new phone on contract.
@MichaelHampton do you use all that much cellular data?
I know I don't
I use about 2.5-3GB/month.
Dan
Dan
If humans used animal mating rituals:
http://9gag.com/gag/aZP2zgz?ref=fb.s

(Not overly safe for work)
@JoelESalas I do at irregular intervals. Most of the time, almost nothing. But once or twice a year, 40 or 100 GB at a shot.
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21:45
@JoelESalas I use shit loads because I use it all day long whenever I'm on site
@MichaelHampton Downloading ISOs? :)
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I once had to (legitimately) download a copy of Adobe Master Collection over 3G, overnight
@JoelESalas Oh no, I do that on Comcrap. Most of the time.
@JoelESalas It's for when I travel, which is infrequently, but at least once a year.
Oh, Gmail doesn't support .eml. That's lovely.
22:09
Hi folks, Anywhere i can download Win 7 Pro?
I have the key for activation, it just cam on cd and I do not have cd-rom
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Q: Where do I download Windows 7 (legally from Microsoft)?

LukeI just bought a serial for Windows 7 on-line from the Microsoft store (the most painful shopping experience EVER!). I selected that I wanted to download my version of Windows 7 after purchase. After payment I was listed a Product Key but no download link in sight. Where do I download my Windows...

@Tanner This is the best thing about digital distribution
Freely available, legitimate ISOs
@MarkHenderson makes life a lot easier
No more downloading an ISO from torrents and hoping that it's clean just because you can't find your media
@Tanner Those links are broken
22:14
The ISO links are now dead. — Matt Van Andel Mar 11 at 19:04
crap
Fucking Windows, man.
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@DanilaLadner I find fucking humans much less painful than fucking windows
@MarkHenderson tell me about it.
@DanilaLadner Well, when a daddy loves a mummy very much, or sometimes, when a daddy loves another daddy, or a mummy loves another mummy, or really any group of adults who agree to love eachother for at least an hour or so...
Or it doesn't really even need to be love, it can be when any group of two or more adults enter a formal or informal agreement, for exchange of services or for mutual pleasure
22:17
Or sometimes for the specific act of procreating
@MarkHenderson though rarely
This is definitely paralleling with my life Windows adventures.
@MarkHenderson don't forget the turkey baster option
@freiheit Or the single 49-year-old woman who goes to Greece to get IVF under more relaxed regulation
22:35
@DanilaLadner Well?
@MarkHenderson it's perfectly possible for single women to get IVF here
@Andrew It's quite difficult at that age
A lot of doctors won't touch it
I am the worlds foremost expert on it because I read an article in the Sunday newspaper about it
@MarkHenderson true
@MarkHenderson which is really annoying when you use a product called "Fog" that's been around before all this cloud stuff, and now you can't get the right google results for it
22:56
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Q: RAID controller write back performance

LukaWhat kind of performance benefit write back on a RAID controller gives? To be more specific, the setup is 2 SSDs in RAID 1. The workload is mainly random write. Given the above, what kind of performance increase can I expect using write back vs write through on a RAID card with 1GB RAM?

Brand of server, make/model of RAID controller, brand/model of SSD... Some basic information that will make this a better question and help us provide good answers. — ewwhite 1 min ago
I guess I'm on a crusade.
@ewwhite I think it's going to be a case of "check the manufacturer's specs" / "suck it and see"
@Andrew The right answer depends on the gear in use.
@ewwhite so... close, opinion based / shopping? :)
For SSDs without super capacitors, the write back cache is needed. For high-quality SSDs, caching should be off.
how would you measure RAID controller latency between an OS write and disk write anyway
"performance" is when the OS thinks the write is done and makes another write, yes?
23:11
wouldn't you have to actually load test it to see? and everyone would end up with different specs based on their own workloads...
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@ewwhite what was your flickr profile?
@Andrew oh, I'll answer
@ewwhite If the RAID card says "done!", then the OS will send another write, yes? So long as you don't fill the write buffer in the RAID card / get hit by cache full, you shouldn't see very much difference... or am I assuming that things are that smart?
23:16
@Andrew hehehehe, I know from experience you are correct, but trying to explain that to someone who hasn't done this stuff over and over... You just want to pat them on the head and let them figure it out..
@MikeAWood it's like trying to write optimised code: unless you are doing low-level assembly or something very special, relax, the compiler is smarter than you
Sup, bitches?
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A: RAID controller write back performance

ewwhiteFor that specific hardware combination, the controller cache may not provide much help. The Intel SSDs you're using provide power-loss protection, so the BBWC's function may be redundant. I doubt you'd see a difference with and without cache with those SSDs. The write IOPs capacity of those SS...

@Andrew yeah, there are always instances where people want to squeeze that last .001% of performance out of something. I suspect this isn't one of those cases.
@MDMarra I was needing your emotional support today.
23:22
Mark.
Mar 21 at 21:21, by ewwhite
@84104 I don't think I've done anything in Active Directory beyond a leaf or branch.
@ewwhite Sorry, I was emotionally supporting other people today. Still need a hug?
@ScottPack Sup Scottato
I was working on SFDC00000003.greenleafsf.com , and that happened
@ewwhite I saw that once before but the server was actually promoted
Is it fully patched before you went to promote?
@MDMarra yes
23:25
@ewwhite My god how many DC's do they plan on having
Have you tried rebooting it three times?
7 hours ago, by ewwhite
@HopelessN00b I pulled the server out the rack and blew on it a few times... Now it works!!
There's a lot of room for growth in that server name
@MarkHenderson Don't. Just leave it
Don't encourage him
So it's all good.
23:25
Congrats. You're now qualified to operate a Windows Server!
I added AD sites...
since the client never had them
and got DNS going.
now I'm debating where to put DHCP
Big day for you!
On a member server, like a good boy
That's racist.
Preferably in an active/standby pair on 2012 R2 servers
:)
This will eventually live on a 2 or 3 host vSphere cluster
so I've never touched the HA DHCP in Server 2012
23:28
If you only have 2 2012 R2 boxes and theyre both DCs, just configured DHCP on them in failber
@ewwhite Did you remember to install cygwin so you can remotely manage it?
they have datacenter edition, but it seems silly to break all of those services out onto their own servers
@ewwhite you are in luck youtube.com/watch?v=T1ZRD5-FY_4
@ScottPack this client uses TightVNC.
plus, I'm RAM-constrained.
@ewwhite Because fuckall ya'll?
23:29
I need help with the DHCP situation.
@ewwhite Sure
Want me to set up failover?
hey @ScottPack - hows the new gig?
@cole Pretty good. Mostly been doing systems stuff so far. Trying to get some automation and the like in place.
I'm bashing my face against preseed.
@ScottPack nice
Oh my god guys. My manager actually called me today because he wants to automate something.
@ScottPack :(
Enter-PSSession ScottPackSuperServer01.suckitscott.local
Who needs SSH?
23:39
@MDMarra Sorry, I don't own suckitscott.local. I'm not even sure which registry sells that one.
God I hate Java.
think you guys will enjoy this, if you haven't seen it already:
in Unix and Linux, 5 hours ago, by derobert
@FaheemMitha you can learn more at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/sysadmin-recovery/
a.s.r is still around? Wait, USENET is still around?!
You spelled a/s/l? wrong.
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@MichaelHampton Thriving too I'd say
23:42
@MDMarra 33/No Thank You/Midwest
Oh nice. See you all in a few weeks...
> Version: 1.799999999999999998... (1 April 1974)
@strugee Yeah, and?
@MichaelHampton you were implying that a document published in 1974 could be taken as a sign that a.s.r is still a thing
Good to see I can still drop in here once a week and rack up some stars on a bunch of dumb shit.
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23:44
Augh, I wish our VPN didn't use a Java client.
@strugee So somebody didn't update the docs. What else is new?
@cole what vpn client?
@MDMarra Juniper Network Connect
@MDMarra I dunno. I want you to look at this AD and help me determine how to proceed.
@ewwhite With what? Just DHCP?
23:45
@MichaelHampton the newest record level of stupidity. up from last week's 10^10
@MDMarra Getting off of Windows 2003
@cole Once your VPN admin upgrades to the current recommended codebase it's not Java anymore.
@ewwhite ah, nice
@ScottPack that won't happen.
Well maybe it will lol.
I'll tell him tomorrow when we hit the gym at 7AM
"bro update the VPN"
Bro, do you ever lift your firmware to higher levels with regular upgrades?
23:48
@ScottPack bahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@MDMarra That was a bit of a stretch man.
@MDMarra Dude..........you're really going to ask ME that?
@cole Call it an SA and watch his face.
We have a client who still uses a 2010-era Sonicwall SSL VPN that just flat out doesn't work unless you go to your Java setup to lower the security for that URL
@ScottPack D:
23:49
@cole So. I'm tired of this bullshit Network Connect client. What codebase is the SA on?
@ScottPack I don't even know what that means.
The security guy is cool though - he's 2 years older than me and THIS time around, we've actually become pretty good friends.
@cole SA is the SSLVPN product line.
@cole Wait, NT4 needs to be upgraded? SHENNANIGANS
@ScottPack network connect uses java? what version?
@ScottPack Ah
23:50
@BigHomie NetworkConnect
yeah
@BigHomie Exactly
@MarkHenderson we're getting close to retiring killing NT4 completely!
what version network connect? You said if he upgrades then it doesn't use java
@cole I can't remember what they renamed the client when they moved off Java. It's been only recently
23:51
oic
It's a PITA on Linux - I'm trying to get it to work now.
@BigHomie Right. NetworkConnect is a java application. The current codebase for the SA moved to a different client which isn't java.
that's got to be literally the second java app I haven't had problems out of. The other is XMind
You need the 32bit libraries and you need to use the update-alternatives command
I wonder if they unified on Pulse
Fucking ASDM
23:52
@ScottPack Pulse client works well on my iPhone & iPad.
@cole Yeah, the Pulse client works fine.
This is a PITA
@ScottPack Got problems? I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but ASDM aint one
(actually thats a lie. I like ASDM but have you seen what it does to your config files)
Yup, looks like they've unified on Pulse for the desktop as well.
@MarkHenderson Yes. Yes I have. It's an abomination.
I take that back. I've had problems when other $orgs use a different version of network connect it kills things. Miserably.
23:55
FUCK YEAH
Junos Pulse is not supported on Windows Server platforms and Linux platforms.
It's really $orgs fault, as they are backward compatible
Wait, maybe it is still java. I thought it wasn't any longer.
Well fuckin aye
Here. I'm tired of looking at this garbage.
Oh my. At least my users know how to scroll:
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Q: Should you concede to user demands that seem clearly inferior?

Matt ThrowerCurrently working on a ground-up (not just the UI) reimplementation of a whole, existing system. Because it's internal we've been able to work with its existing users during the process, and get their feedback on what they want doing. One of their existing UI elements involves nested data. Curre...

23:59
@ScottPack thanks - lame it's not supported on Linux.
It seems you can't downgrade the security settings in 64-bit Java. Which is bad.

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