The Comms Room

Mark Henderson

00:00

@SpacemanSpiff Its monday

Jacob

@SpacemanSpiff I'm always working.

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson the original licensers were stupid then

Anonymous

they should have done an ultra-restrictive EULA like: No Redistributing Derivative Work

Anonymous

@SpacemanSpiff Postprocessing some photos here, sunday night

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz Can't be too restrictive, otherwise nobody will buy it

They could have kept their current license, but made it much higher

Anonymous

00:02

@MarkHenderson so you mean, "supply, demand and competition ftw bitch"

SpacemanSpiff

cool, i got a little work to do later tonight, i get to demonstrate vcloud automation to some people, yay

freiheit

@SpacemanSpiff Stone Enjoy By 04.20.14

SpacemanSpiff

Which one?

I like the Ruination

freiheit

@SpacemanSpiff Ruination is beautiful, but Enjoy By is even better. Possibly the best bottled IPA or IIPA I've ever had. Every time it comes out, I buy a bottle or two or four...

SpacemanSpiff

neat, i still need to make it over to their brewery

i live like 10 miles from there

last time i tried to go there was a 3 hour wait

freiheit

00:11

@SpacemanSpiff You live 10 miles from there and you've never actually been there!?!

SpacemanSpiff

Yeah, I live in brewery central, basically

I had a Alesmith Speedway Stout last weekend that absolutely kicked my ass

freiheit

I live 4 miles from Russian River Brewing, and while it does often get pretty crowded, I do make it in there a dozen-ish times a year.

Mark Henderson

@SpacemanSpiff There's not much in this world that's worth a 3 hour queue

SpacemanSpiff

Thats what we said, we bailed and hit a place called Urge Gastropub, which had half of Stone's beers on tap anyway

freiheit

@SpacemanSpiff If you're 10 miles from Stone, you're in north San Diego County, and, yeah, that's major brewery central. AleSmith, Ballast Point, Stone and Port/Lost Abbey are all awesome.

@MarkHenderson You should see the people waiting 6+ hours for some Pliny The Younger ever year where I live...

SpacemanSpiff

00:15

Sadly, I've been here almost exactly a year. The only brewery I've visit is Green Flash, and thats only because its right next to my office

Their stuff is... okay.

freiheit

@SpacemanSpiff Where I live, we have Russian River Brewing, Lagunitas Brewing, Bear Republic Brewing, and a fair number of smaller breweries that don't get distributed very far.

SpacemanSpiff

Ooh nice, Racer5 was my beer of choice last summer

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson no need for keygens, my man.

freiheit

@SpacemanSpiff I remember really liking Green Flash's West Coast IPA. Palate Wrecker wasn't bad, either.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite So i totally didn't send you an ASA keygen to get you out of a bind :p

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freiheit

00:19

@SpacemanSpiff They're a fun one to take a bike ride to for lunch... Some really nice bike rides up around them. A burger and a couple berlinerweisses is perfect in the middle of a 60 mile bike ride. ;)

SpacemanSpiff

I use my company's vCloud suite key in my home lab, wee

Im currently teaching myself to surf, will probably pop by a few of these places afterwards on the weekends

Mark Henderson

@SpacemanSpiff It's easy. 1. Open your favourite web browser. 2. Type in "porn sex videos" into the search engine. 3. Unzip

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Oh wait you mean surf in the ocean, not surf the 'net

Andrew

@Jacob whoo meta rep

SpacemanSpiff

good catching up, see ya'll during the week

Andrew

also: this is pretty cool

freiheit

00:26

@SpacemanSpiff Here is a convenient checklist for you: ratebeer.com/places/regions/san-diego/7320/5

Jacob

@Andrew HA! that's neat.

Mark Henderson

@freiheit Why is the #1 place a chemist?

freiheit

@MarkHenderson Apparently, before it closed, it was a really great place to buy beer...

(also, I was wayyy too lazy to figure out a URL for just brewpubs and breweries in the area)

Mark Henderson

@freiheit a) you can buy beer at a chemist... wow ok. 2) it's a chemist...

I wonder if these people were actually buying pharmaceuticals

On the side, in my village, we mix water with a vodka. That way, it never go bad ! Hi Five ! — Borat Sagdiyev 7 hours ago

freiheit

@MarkHenderson It's common in the US for larger chain drugstores to sell all sorts of other things (snack foods, toys, beer, wine, etc), with the actual trained pharmacist(chemist) handling prescriptions in a back corner.

(but still a much larger over-the-counter drug section than a grocery store, and no fresh vegetables, meat or other more grocery-store type things)

Heck, there was a bunch of news recently about a pharmacy chain (CVS) stopping selling tobacco products.

Mark Henderson

00:43

I know in the UK you can buy alcohol at the supermarket, and the corner store. But never seen it in a ~~drug store~~ chemist. Nor that you can do that in the US

Well you can buy it at the supermarket here, but it's in a separate section that you have to do a separate transaction on

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Oops sorry. It depends by state. In VA you can't, we have government stores( ABC stores) In some states like WV you can buy it pretty much anywhere.

freiheit

@MarkHenderson Note also that alcohol laws are different in all 50 states. California's are pretty liberal, where a license to sell beer and wine "to go" is pretty easy to get, though the whole ID check thing is pretty well-enforced. Drugstores(well, larger ones), grocery stores, convenience stores and gas stations all tend to have beer and wine for sale.

Andrew

@MarkHenderson ours seem to have dodgy naturopathy/homeopathy :(

well, maybe not homeopathy... but magnetic healing bracelets? sure!

Jacob

@MarkHenderson You can buy fosters in ours. Because it's Australian for beer right?

Mark Henderson

@Jacob I will explode if I hear one more American say that

@Andrew Haha I know. Did you see the Checkout episode about the TGA?

What a fucking joke

@freiheit Of course your laws are different in all states. I should have guessed :P

Sometimes I wonder if the USA should do something more like the EU. A collection of separate countries that share some oversight

Jacob

00:56

@MarkHenderson why?

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Because every single state seems to do whatever the fuck they want anyway

Whereas here I think we should go the opposite. I think we should get rid of all states and just have federal and local government

Keep states as geographical boundaries only

freiheit

@MarkHenderson Seriously, the reason all 50 states have 21 as the drinking age is because the Federal Government attached it as a requirement on highway funds, not because they had the authority to make that the law of the land directly. The US is 50 sub-countries under one mega-country.

Mark Henderson

Man I am ruling the star wall today

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@freiheit And then you've got the way all of your states impose taxes differently, and the then the way your schools are funded depending on who lives where, and who bills from which states to other states

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson In two centuries the EU will look a lot like this.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton It already does

Anyway I shouldn't really say anything. Idon't live there or have to deal with it

I have our own dumbass rules to deal with

Jacob

01:01

@MichaelHampton Or The United States of Africa

Michael Hampton

African Union

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Jacob

United States of Africa

The United States of Africa is a proposed concept for a federation of some or all of the 55 sovereign states of Africa. Former Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi, who was the 2009 Chairperson of the African Union (AU), advanced the idea of a United States of Africa at two regional African summits: first in June 2007 in Conakry, Guinea, and again in February 2009 in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Gaddafi had previously pushed for its creation at a summit at Lomé, Togo in 2000, having described the AU as a failure on a number of occasions; Gaddafi asserted that only a true pan-African state can provi...

freiheit

@MarkHenderson It's getting there. It'll be more like it when the EU has a single united military and diplomatic presence.

Journeyman Geek

@freiheit: military is already getting there

freiheit

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Jacob

01:08

Forget Unified Continents. I want to see Unified Earth.

Journeyman Geek

@Jacob: I tend to think going the other way makes more sense

Jacob

@JourneymanGeek Does it?

Journeyman Geek

governments are too big, and thats what make them inefficient

Jacob

@JourneymanGeek Federalism seems to do a decent job

Besides, Unified Earth could be as simple as a single currency.

Journeyman Geek

@Jacob: for certain values of decent.

Problem with large governments is at some point they get out of touch

or get greedy

freiheit

01:10

@JourneymanGeek I feel that, perhaps, the inefficiencies of wars are vastly worse than the inefficiencies of governmental scaling problems...

Journeyman Geek

@freiheit: and the reason we have wars is countries wanting resources other countries have, or simply wanting to be bigger and more powerful

Andrew

01:23

@freiheit hackaday.com/2014/03/23/this-machine-sucks-balls

Mark Henderson

Oh god, I need to keep our WDS images up to date. Just imaged a new dev computer for the first time in a very, very long time. 860MB of Windows Updates to install.

Andrew

@MarkHenderson oh, we finally have a government in SA

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Yay!

Who won?

Andrew

@MarkHenderson Labor in minority with independents

(again)

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Well at least it's not the libs

They seem to be winning everywhere and I can't fathom why. Must be lots of old people voting

Andrew

01:30

@MarkHenderson and laziness

they probably should have won here last election

previous premier was a joke

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Well there's that

The libs current handbook to winning is "Don't be the incumbant"

Divide and conquer

Andrew

02:07

@MarkHenderson best response ever:

@TurnbullMalcolm In order for it to be possible, first you'd have to know what the fuck you were actually talking about. #turnbulllogic

Tweeted by Zaica71 on March 22, 2014 at 3:48 PM in reply to TurnbullMalcolm

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Shut up malcom turnbull

Nobody wants to hear your attempt at not being a dick

Andrew

@MarkHenderson and also:

#turnbulllogic if I'm such a great party leader, how did I get quickly deposed by the worst prime minister in Australia's history?

Tweeted by skynet_2050 on March 22, 2014 at 2:02 AM

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Oh thats good

Andrew

In retrospect, the wreckage sighted off the WA coast was more than likely our SA election hopes. #savotes

Tweeted by notTAbbott on March 23, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Anonymous

Is it aussie time yet?

Andrew

02:20

@PatoSáinz Always

Anonymous

@FalconMomot this j4ack guy on rabbitircd repo is sorta QA testing your IRCd

Falcon Momot

@PatoSáinz he's insane. I am surprised the code works at all.

Anonymous

@FalconMomot lol care to elaborate?

Falcon Momot

@PatoSáinz I've made sweeping changes to all kinds of things with minimal testing.

we have yet to release the first alpha version.

Andrew

I shouldn't be Minister for Women as I'm not a woman? But Julie's Foreign Minister & she's not foreign. And Chris is Minister for Education.

Tweeted by notTAbbott on December 19, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Andrew

03:06

arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/…

Michael Hampton

@Andrew Wait, Ars Technica did a story on @ewwhite?

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strugee

shots fired

Andrew

@MichaelHampton Sigh, the perils of per-language package management become more and more apparant

> It's not a matter of security, it's a matter of "If it ain't broke, don't you even dare try to fix it."

"security bug fixed in newest version, upgrade" combined with "upgrading will break everything" == massive security holes

Michael Hampton

@Andrew IKR. Things like gem and pip are driving me insane. I'm very close to just saying if it isn't system-packaged you can't use it.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: I think its the old stabilty vs shiny arguement.

strugee

03:14

okay, I'm 100% with you guys on package manager disparity. it's annoying when your application is packaged but your libraries aren't (or whatever).

but I fail to see how that relates to the Ars article

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Yes, in part. No, you don't need Ruby 2.19.x or whatever that just came out yesterday.

Journeyman Geek

(but meh, I don't see why every.single.language needs its own package manager either)

strugee

@JourneymanGeek don't forget that some have more than one

bundle and gem, easy_install and pip...

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: You're thinking (quite naturally and correctly) like a sysadmin

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Each language has a wide selection of library code that one can use to develop with.

Journeyman Geek

03:15

For a developer is all I NEED THE NEW SHINY THINGS!

strugee

don't even get me started on HTML/CSS/JS package managers

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: for me, the nice thing about the system level package manager is I can update things in one place. I don't need to update the system, then npm then pip then ruby then <redacted>

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strugee

@JourneymanGeek reminds me of this (disclaimer: shameless self-plug):

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Q: Why shouldn't you let developers near root passwords?

I just came across Something is burning in the server room; how can I quickly identify what it is?. In the comments I found the following quote: you don't let a developer anywhere near your root passwords As a developer but also someone very interested in sysadmin stuff, I'm wondering if there...

@JourneymanGeek for a moment I read that as "pen is pump" and I was like wtf language is that for

Journeyman Geek

(though, I know quite a few people who straddle both worlds, or is part of neigher)

I should probably edit that

Andrew

@strugee because a regular "apt-get update" or whatever will lead to things being missed if they're outside system packaging

Michael Hampton

03:18

@JourneymanGeek Unfortunately a lot of the libraries that are very useful aren't yet packaged in various major distributions. I ran into this trying to get RT 4 up on EL6; many of the perl modules it wanted aren't (yet) packaged, even in EPEL.

Andrew

and the whole "version X has a bug, upgrade to Y" combined with "Upgrading from X to Y is not supported"

Journeyman Geek

@strugee: someone with a sense of humour stolen from a 10 year old, naturally.

strugee

@Andrew ahhhh. (I read the article and thought they didn't even do system package manager updates - idk)

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: Well, I tend to feel centos isn't very useful if you want the new shiny things...

If I'm running something new, its likely to get thrown on a ubuntu VM

strugee

@JourneymanGeek I was trying to think of something really obscure. like, "is it maybe a package manager for x86 assembly"?

Journeyman Geek

03:20

@strugee: more like "Our decade old OS works. If our lead tech gets run over by a bus, no one will know no one will know no one knows how it works, so we better not touch it"

@strugee: no, I make up things like that on the fly ;p

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Fuck Ubuntu.

strugee

@MichaelHampton +1. if you really want something new run Arch in production

Jacob

@strugee I really did have someone chmod 777 the entire server. :(

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: If the guy who wrote the thing I am testing used it, it makes sense to use it, work out what it uses, then move stuff.

Michael Hampton

@strugee I'm not quite that crazy, though I do run Fedora in production.

Andrew

03:22

@strugee that too

Journeyman Geek

@strugee: arch is a PITA to set up.

also, source based distros are a bit ricer.

strugee

@MichaelHampton I am. I run Arch in production (which for me is a hobbyist box), but if I was at a huge enterprise or something I'd probably run CentOS

Michael Hampton

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A: What is the problem with using Fedora for servers?

I thought I didn't have anything to add to this, but after having run Fedora in production for nearly a year - for my very important Zabbix monitoring system! - it seems I do have a couple of things to say. First, it was not my first choice. Typically for anything even vaguely important I will c...

Andrew

What's the term for when you want bad things to happen so you can be proved right?

Michael Hampton

@strugee Not when CentOS is too old or the app you need just isn't available on it.

Journeyman Geek

03:23

The advantage I have with centos or ubuntu is they are reasonably well understood, and I can fire up a VM within about 10 minutes or so

and of course there was yesterday

did a ubuntu based ttrss VM build, documented it... then realised I had done the same thing last august

strugee

@JourneymanGeek maybe but having used Arch for a while and being used to the tools, it's a PITA to debug whenever something in a different distro goes wrong. even if I was used to the tools it'd still be easier with Arch because I automatically know the exact composition of my system

Journeyman Geek

@strugee: I'm thinking initial, from scratch setup

IE having an actual installer

Jacob

@MichaelHampton I've considered it on a few applications. it's not that crazy.

Michael Hampton

@Jacob Right now it's my stop-gap until RHEL 7 is out.

strugee

@MichaelHampton right. IMHO it's a balance. I prefer Arch and am better at using it than other distros. but the more important your "production" is the more the balance starts to tip in favor of something stable.

Journeyman Geek

03:25

(and yeah, I'm an outlier here for actually liking ubuntu for servers but meh, it works for me, and I can always adapt to what my employer uses)

Jacob

@JourneymanGeek I can use what ever my employer tells me to. That's part of our job. I just don't like Ubuntu.

strugee

@JourneymanGeek oh yeah I'm not denying that. it takes an hour or two for me and I'm good at it by now. I'm just saying that there's a trade-off.

Journeyman Geek

@Jacob: nearly no one here does ;p

(then there's the madness of using android on servers...)

and someone is actually doing that

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton I also used to run Fedora in prod (and I think I'll do it again now)

Journeyman Geek

(and no, I don't mean tomtom)

Andrew

03:28

It's either poetic justice, schadenfreude, or sociopathy. Hmm.

strugee

@JourneymanGeek are you kidding me?? why?!?

haha.

> a similar delay between EL5 and EL6 led me to actually put an Ubuntu installation into production, something I am still kicking myself over to this day

Journeyman Geek

I'm trying to remember/find the article

Jacob

@JourneymanGeek Wait, WHAT?

Journeyman Geek

ah hah!

linuxinsider.com/story/80145.html

Andrew

Wow. washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/…

strugee

03:34

@JourneymanGeek oh god I don't even want to read that

Journeyman Geek

its a single line but... just imagine the potential horror

strugee

sounds awful

Journeyman Geek

;p

most of it is saying android might make a decent desktop OS

Jacob

@JourneymanGeek I mean why do we need another desktop, and no Android will be junk on a desktop.

Journeyman Geek

@Jacob: depends on the use case. A lot of people just need a browser

and I'd be quite happy to throw this on old XP boxen if its easier for a user to use

Jacob

03:41

@JourneymanGeek ChromeOS

THe UI is for touch

Journeyman Geek

(I'd much rather throw on a lxde install of linux, but you get the idea)

Jacob

It's kind of like Metro. Terrible on a PC and on a tablet.

Journeyman Geek

@Jacob: hexxeh's chromeos won't run on my old core 2s :/

Michael Hampton

Android works quite well with a mouse. I've tried it.

Journeyman Geek

(and hasn't been kept updated)

@MichaelHampton: I need to give it a proper shot. I've been playing around with it, but I haven't really been too keen on android until recently

I do have USB OTG and a wireless mouse so...

strugee

03:48

> After all, Android is Linux. It's based on the Linux kernel.

Michael Hampton

And let me just say that it's quite bizarre to see a bog standard X11-style pointer on your phone.

Jacob

@strugee Ubuntu is too, but that doesn't mean anything...

strugee

bullshit. the traditional kernel plus a radically different Java stack does not a GNU/Linux distribution make.

(just to be clear: I'm agreeing with @Jacob and calling bs on the article. I got hit by a race condition.)

Jacob

@strugee Oh that's what you're quoting.

strugee

@Jacob yah

Michael Hampton

03:55

A kernel and busybox hardly make a Linux "distribution", eh?

strugee

we actually had a really interesting discussion on all the terminology over at Unix & Linux. hold on, lemme find it

Andrew

Linux on ATMs?

strugee

in Unix and Linux, Jan 6 at 16:38, by strugee

@JosephR. desktops: the final frontier. these are the voyages of the kernel mascot Tux. its five-year mission: to explore strange new devices, to seek out new hardware and new uses, to boldly go where no kernel has gone before.

there

MDMoore313

04:20

@strugee did he ever say GNU Linux? Lets not get ahead of ourselves

If it uses the linux kernel, modified or not, I'd say it counts as a Linux Distro

@MichaelHampton A bootloader, kernel and rootfs make a distro, technically, so if all your distro consists of is busybox, well then.....

strugee

@MDMoore313 true, of course. but then we get into how you define "Linux". (see the linked chat discussion)

MDMoore313

@strugee eh, you really 15?

Journeyman Geek

@Andrew that sorta makes sense actually

@MDMoore313 a lot of router distros are like that?

MDMoore313

@JourneymanGeek yeah, from what I hear it's easy to get a new distro up and running using busybox, as all a lot of the common tools are there and just 'work', at times taking away from the thrill of LFS

Journeyman Geek

@MDMoore313: would this be from masochists anonymous?

(and heh, I used to run busybox on windows once...)

strugee

04:31

@MDMoore313 yes. I swear on Emacs.

@JourneymanGeek Cygwin

Journeyman Geek

@strugee: I consider that... messy for my needs

I have GOW installed these days

strugee

@JourneymanGeek same. it's disgusting. but it's the best I can get, so...

@JourneymanGeek what's that?

Journeyman Geek

bunch of unixy utils, compiled natively and packaged nicely

github.com/bmatzelle/gow

strugee

looks nice, but I don't think I could stand using cmd.exe when I'm currently used to zsh

MDMoore313

@strugee Emacs? yeah your 15 ;)

strugee

04:39

@MDMoore313 excuse me?

MDMoore313

Two Words..... wait for it....

strugee

oh, because I'm not a vi diehard?

MDMoore313

take a guess

:D

strugee

?

MDMoore313

vim

you got it

strugee

04:41

I can't tell if you're calling my choice of editor childish or not

...ah.

MDMoore313

j/k I just couldn't resist

strugee

yeah there are a bunch of people over at Unix & Linux who are either diehard vim users or are struggling vim addicts trying to switch (e.g. they use Emacs but for quick edits they accidentally end up in vim)

Jacob

I don't always use nano, but when I do it's because it's faster than vi

strugee

whenever we start talking about editors I just start whistling

Michael Hampton

I only use nano when I want to trash a config file so hopelessly that it has to be restored from backup.

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Mark Henderson

04:46

I use nano when I want to edit a config file without having to remember obscure escape commands

MikeyB

@MatthewIfe Well, no IPv6 on the stack exchange sites, on some CDNs (seriously, how can a CDN not be using IPv6 yet?)…

Michael Hampton

ZZ

MikeyB

@MarkHenderson yeah man, ESC is a really obscure escape command.

Mark Henderson

@MikeyB Not that one. You can't just you know, navigate and type

You end up pushing all sorts of random commands and doing god only knows what

You have to go into insert mode, then :wq! and all that bullshit

I grew up with edit.com and recently notepad

strugee

oh god, I started a flamewar...

Michael Hampton

04:48

@MarkHenderson ZZ

Mark Henderson

So you know, things that have progressed past since 1970

MikeyB

@MarkHenderson ^O<navigation command>

@MarkHenderson Fear not mate, some day you may even move up to Notepad++

Michael Hampton

And really, ZZ is no less obscure than ^X y <Enter>

Mark Henderson

I have no idea what you mean by ZZ

Jacob

@MarkHenderson exit and save

Mark Henderson

04:50

Its way less obscure . Ctrl+[key] has been standard functionality for decades, and X for eXit, and Y for YES

Jacob

@MarkHenderson I do like that thought process better too honestly.

Andrew

@MarkHenderson vim has an mswin.vim config. I use it.

Mark Henderson

You need to remember I was only born in the second half of the 1980's

Jacob

@MarkHenderson What does that mean?

MDMoore313

I used to use nano, til a friend turned me onto vim

Mark Henderson

04:51

@Jacob It means that I did not exist in 1923 when everyone else apparently learned to use text editors and refused to change

strugee

I actually use nano. for super-quick jobs it's nice. anything more and I fire up Emacs.

Jacob

@MarkHenderson I see. I agree. Because according to a popular pop song "I'm a ninety's bitch" So I mostly follow the same thought process.

Did I just rationalize use of a certain text editor by pop song?

strugee

yes

Jacob

It's funny because it sort of makes sense.

strugee

unfortunately

Jacob

04:54

@strugee I know you're only 15, but how's that Unix beard coming? :)

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Andrew

@MarkHenderson so was I. I tried emacs, went to vim because it is 1. more elegant 2. has a tutorial

strugee

@Jacob pretty good, actually. I already have radical/extremely-strong FLOSS political opinions, I've laughed at a comic that said "level 30 unix wizard casts chroot jail", I spit at the feet of vi users (no offense) and know in my heart which bit endianess direction is the Right Way(tm)

and I like Plan 9

@Andrew M-x tutorial???

Jacob

@strugee but what about the beard

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Andrew

man -k tutor

strugee

@Jacob (mutters) shut up

Jacob

05:01

@strugee hehe

Andrew

@strugee You have strong opinions. You are likely to be turned into an Ood.

Jacob

@Andrew Is that the slave race from Dr.Who or Object oriented design?

@strugee I might weigh as much as a car, but my genes to give me an impressive ability to grow facial hair so there's that.

Andrew

@Jacob "hair tonic"

strugee

@Jacob I had the same question

Andrew

@strugee "the right tool for the job" and all that. Emacs is great if I want a lisp interpreting adventure playing... thing.

Jacob

05:07

@Andrew huh?

Andrew

@Jacob the drink which turns him into an Ood... yes, it's from Planet of the Ood

strugee

05:25

@Jacob dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-06-24

MDMoore313

@strugee I actually saw a guy @ Ford who walked around just liked that, but his beard wasn't as big

Unix admin

@strugee sad part is this comic is before your time. I'll keep the rest of my youngin' jokes since I've taken my fair share at $job

Jacob

@strugee I love that comic

MDMoore313

man who actually views these chats with a stark white bg? It's blinding

Andrew

@strugee dilbert.com/fast/1995-06-24

2

ftfy

MDMoore313

For Chrome, it's the only way to travel chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-vision/…

Jacob

05:29

@MDMoore313 f.lux brah. My eyes no longer hurt.

Andrew

@MDMoore313 and me

MDMoore313

I do a lot of reading on this screen as well, inverting the bg was the best thing I did to help it, matches my shells of course

Jacob

@MDMoore313 f.lux

strugee

@MDMoore313 I know :(

Andrew

06:23

rm -rf /

heh.

Bob

@MDMoore313 raises hand :(

Andrew

@Bob it's these crazy northerners who aren't used to sunlight I swear

Mark Henderson

@Jacob - sent you an email about TLS error; also auth fail over pptp

Jacob

@MarkHenderson try now

Iain

06:45

G'day

Ward

07:03

@iain Finally got out on the bike today, nice sunny day. But the power skating (hockey drills) afterwards was brutal.

Iain

@Ward I saw your rides on Strava. We've had strong winds for a few days here - made the spin on Saturday quite hard work

Ward

I've been consistently the lowest mileage rider of the SF Strava group... :(

Iain

That's fixable

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Success

Iain

With @freiheit commuting he'll be hard to beat if he puts any effort in at the weekends

MikeyB

07:27

Seriously Facebook? The original image was 1656x958 - the slightly smaller browser window wasn't enough?

Falcon Momot

07:48

ugh, the fail is strong this morning

so, I am going to bed instead of moderating and answering. Zz.

Iain

@FalconMomot the wine questio

Falcon Momot

@Iain among other things

check out the flags too

Iain

I presumed the op was wanting to run a windows app on Linux

Falcon Momot

I can't find it either, since you've forgotten to mention what the problem is. — Falcon Momot 9 secs ago

@Iain well, yes, but there is almost never a reason to run WINE under CGI

and doing so is a horrible idea for about INT_MAX reasons

Iain

@FalconMomot oh sure

Falcon Momot

07:52

You should start with the problem you want to solve, not the buzzword solution. — Falcon Momot 6 secs ago

Iain

@FalconMomot I voted on that some time ago

Falcon Momot

@Iain I'd imagine less than an hour ago

Iain

@FalconMomot not much

Chopper3

09:02

Morning fuckers

RobM

morning

Dan

09:18

Mornin

RobM

hows it going?

Dan

Not bad, mate - you? Absolutely fucked from my 10 miler yesterday

pauska

g'day mateys

RobM

09:33

10 miles? not surprised!

hey @pauska

Dan

@RobM Back to boots and bag - I tried out a new route and I genuinely believe it to be as hard, if not harder, than the Paras 10 route. Great training, but yeah, I'm broke

RobM

bloody hell, pushing yourself then

Dan

yup

Chopper3

10:21

I went airsofting again yesterday, bit sore but happy :)

Dan

@Chopper3 Enjoying it I presume?

I'd like to give it a whirl, but I've met some airsofters and the "military sim" stuff kind of puts me off. Some of them seem to take themselves far too seriously

Chopper3

@Dan yeah, it's exercising bits of me I don't normally do at the gym, plus it turns out age=guile :)

Dan

:D

Chopper3

@Dan I actually like the seriousness, it's better than loads of fucking idiots ignoring the rules

@Dan just ordered a tri-beam laser from china :)

Dan

@Chopper3 No, I don't mind rules and I like to play the game - it's just that some do seem to think that they're half way to being in the SAS

Chopper3

10:25

@Dan actually there's at least half a dozen serving military types go to 'my' events

Dan

@Chopper3 Yeah, but I doubt airsofting has been critical in their service ;)

Chopper3

@Dan no, they're nice guys actually, they just do it for a laugh

Dan

You know what I'm getting at, though? Don't get me wrong, paintballing was my thing and that's full of dicks too - but at least the guns are different (And inefficient) enough that you have to play paintball rather than "SAS Training Scenario #20"

Like I say, I'm tempted to give it a bash

Chopper3

@Dan I've not seen any behaviour, well not by regulars anyway, that I've been unhappy about - we had a few lads on a stag weekend at one that were ignoring rules, they got kicked out

Dan

@Chopper3 Oh, stags are a nightmare. I worked at a Paintball site for a couple of years (Weekend work, paid for the hobby :D) and yeah, full of idiots

Spoils it for everyone

pauska

10:45

What is a stag?

except the obvious animal one..

Dan

@pauska Traditionally, it was the night out the groom goes on the day before his wedding. In reality, it's just an excuse for drinking/other activities at some point before the wedding

Girls get a Hen Do, blokes get a Stag Do. I imagine you have an equivalent?

pauska

ahh bachelor party

yeah, same here, only it's usually a long time before the wedding

Dan

@pauska I knew there was a more generic phrase

@pauska It's normally a good few weeks beforehand here, too, now

cole

12:21

morning

Dan

I've got a PM on site who is the hardest work

HopelessN00b

25 minutes into the week and I'm already contemplating suicide.

Phase I

. Create a 2003 Virtual Machine

<headdesk>

TheCleaner

12:56

Android phone talk. My Galaxy Nexus screen cracked yesterday. I don't care to spend $200 on a phone right now, and after researching I'm torn between the Droid Maxx and the LG G2. Anyone here have either of these phones?

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