The Comms Room

Basil

21:00

They keep wasting our time and taking risks with our environment, and sending unqualified unisys techs

freiheit

@Basil When we had EMC, we had some serious support nightmares. NetApp's been consistently awesome.

Basil

And when we invited them to bid on a VMAX, they quoted us on the smallest one they can make with far less capacity than we'd asked for (all 7200, natch), for more than double the budgetary quote of the other three vendors

@freiheit Netapp support has been rock solid. HP and HDS too.

@MDMarra Plus I don't have the right to work in the US ;)

pauska

EMC has been really good when it comes to support in our case

but maybe I'm just lucky

Basil

Maybe you are, but I'm almost starting to think we're on a shitlist or something

Apparently there was some serious bad blood between our sales rep and a manager here about 8 years ago

The other weird part is how much better their data domain support has been

pauska

There was a job listing the other day, "Storage and Virtualization Technical Lead"

vmax 40k...

freiheit

21:04

@pauska It's never a good thing when your particular setup spans two divisions both more interested in blaming the other than in getting your problem really solved. It's even worse when they "escalate" a problem right away from the engineers and up to managers.

pauska

bit tempted to apply

Basil

@pauska You should do it :) You'd be great

pauska

@Basil never even looked at a symmetrix though

ewwhite

quick... help me decide on an IP scheme for a VoIP network!!!

Mark Henderson

@freiheit I work with a company like that. I hate ever contact I ever have with them

We used to have allies there, but they were all smart people who quit to go somewhere that they were appreciated

Basil

21:05

@pauska If that doesn't stop them from hiring you, then you will not have to say that any more

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite 172.16.55.0/24

pauska

actually, it's VMAX and NetApp on top of vplex

Basil

@ewwhite use their cell numbers as their new IP address

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson four locations... 180 phones..

Basil

@pauska Do you know netapp and vplex?

ewwhite

21:07

@MarkHenderson how's 172.16.101.0/24?

freiheit

@ewwhite 169.254.0.0/16

Basil

Netapp is very deep, but totally worth learning

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite 172.16.55.0/26, 172.16.55.64/26,172.16.55.128/26,172.16.55.192/26

Guaranteed never to be confusing

Basil

Anyways, I'm going to get out of here. Night folks

ewwhite

imbalanced.... 100 phones at one place

Mark Henderson

21:08

@ewwhite Why not. Personally I run 10.x.y.0 where x is company, y is site/vlan

Starting at 10.24

Actually... scratch that idea

freiheit

@ewwhite 172.16.55.0/25,172.16.55.128/26,172.16.55.192/27,172.16.224/27

Mark Henderson

If your phones are like mine, they can't print very long IP addresses on the screen

So the last part gets cut off

freiheit

@MarkHenderson s/172.16/55/10.1.1/;

Matthew Ife

I dont much about voip, but cant you just use dns to make useful names?

84104

If the clock is wrong enough in OSX the AppStore App will silently fail to load the AppStore website.

Mark Henderson

21:11

84104

@MatthewIfe DNS is for people who aren't masochists.

freiheit

@84104 SSLOL

Mark Henderson

So use an addressing scheme where the whole thing fits into the screen

@MatthewIfe Haha most VoIP phones register with things like HCG00018374665467.dns.suffix

84104

@freiheit Yup.

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite I think 127.x.y.z where x is site, y is department and z is phone would be really short and really low latency. I would highly recommend it.

Mark Henderson

21:13

@MatthewIfe If you made it 127 then you're gunna have all sorts of problems

Matthew Ife

...

Mark Henderson

127.0.0.0/8 is loopback

84104

@MatthewIfe That's not so far removed from some real questions we've gotten here.

Mark Henderson

I think you mean 172

And the 172 block isn't RFC1918 until 172.16

freiheit

@MarkHenderson loopback=super low latency!

Matthew Ife

21:14

@MarkHenderson You spoiled the joke :(

84104

@MarkHenderson Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

Mark Henderson

@MatthewIfe Sigh

I guess I'm just used to dealing with incompetent people who would think that's actually a good scheme

Matt Bear

anyone go to RSA this year?

Mark Henderson

I apologise for being dense! It's not even 8.30am so I blame that

Michael Hampton

No, and I heard a bunch of cryptographers boycotted RSA this year.

freiheit

21:15

@MarkHenderson I think I'd be ok with my VOIP phone using a 127.x.y.z IP scheme...

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite or 239.0.0.0/8, Its more efficient when you want to call multiple people.

HopelessN00b

@Basil Dude, you could get a TN visa in your sleep, which is practically as good as authorized to work in the US.

Matt Bear

@MichaelHampton I go every year, its a good way to see venders and get info

Anonymous

just being almost robbed in the bus was kinda fun

Anonymous

:|

Matt Bear

21:17

homeless guy pulled a knife on us outside a bar though...

just a glaring reminder of why I need to get a CCW :p

@PatoSáinz that sucks... you kick his ass?

Anonymous

@MattBear didn't engage, ran, like the sprinter i used to be

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz I almost got robbed on a train once. Thankfully the gang were clearly noobs and I literally just said "Yeah, no" and walked away

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson lol

Mark Henderson

Well it wasn't quite that simple. I said "no", they punched me in the head a few times, I still said "No, fuck off" and then walked away

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson I was lucky they weren't even a gang, just 4 dumbfucks who happened to collaborate

Anonymous

21:19

Hell they weren't even armed

HopelessN00b

@MattBear Yeah, but just so I could download the database of attendees.

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz I'd call that a gang

Small gang

Anonymous

You're not going to fucking rob me if you don't have at least a goddamn kitchen knife

Mark Henderson

Haha

HopelessN00b

I know who I'm spearphising for their birthdays! =D

mossy

21:20

@MarkHenderson cl.ly/image/2k2p2F2J3b3b

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Mark Henderson

These guys were the same. BUnch of kids who should have been in school. I think it was an initiation.

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson mines were 4 people from ranges 19-30

Mark Henderson

@mossy Haha badass

freiheit

@MarkHenderson Do you look like Chopper Reid?

Anonymous

But I had to deal with them in fucking 20 minutes

Mark Henderson

21:21

@freiheit I do not

Anonymous

I was alone at the back of the bus (maybe asking for it), and these 4 people surrounded me

Mark Henderson

I looked liked a rich entitled white person travelling on a train through the scummy parts of Sydney. This was in 2003 and I had a discman :P

ewwhite

@MatthewIfe Of course.

Anonymous

I had to be talkative to them aka "plz don't rob me" "i don't know what phone you are talking about" "i don't have anything in my backpack" for 20 minutes

Mark Henderson

@mossy I suspect if someone put a shotgun in my face I would shit my pants and give them everything

mossy

21:22

@MarkHenderson same.

@MarkHenderson TAKE ALL OF MY DEBT. PLS DONT SHOOT

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz Haha yeah I did the same thing "I don't have a phone, so you're going to be disappointed"

Anonymous

They were patient (maybe they thought I was just not very clever) and the guy watching the bus exit had moved a bit to the left, the bus stop came and finally there was a hole from where to sprint through

Mark Henderson

(which was of course a lie)

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson i had the phone in my hand when they approached me

Anonymous

So my lie wasn't even trying

Mark Henderson

21:23

@PatoSáinz That sounds very similar to what happened to me. Mine was over in about 5 minutes and I suffered a few punches, but apart from that yeah. I waited till the guy at the train exit wasn't paying attention and the train was pulling into a station

Anonymous

Just to delay until somebody noticed what the fuck is a 14 year old schoolboy speaking with 4 poorly dressed men

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson I was punched once, gently, in the forehead

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz Did you still ahve to go to school? :P

Anonymous

luckily before hitting me the thief hit his partner

Anonymous

lol

Mark Henderson

21:24

I got the day off work. Police made me go to the hospital for a checkup.

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson I was coming back from school

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz Well next time get robbed on the way to school

pauska

@Basil nay :|

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson lol

Michael Hampton

Damn. That sort of stuff just isn't common around here.

pauska

21:25

@ewwhite I use 172.28.x.x for VoIP

one /24 for each site

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson shit is, I don't know why was I targeted (apart from being alone in the back of the bus

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Parts of Sydney are a cesspit for crime and violence

pauska

hasn't been a problem for me.. yet

Mark Henderson

Unfortunately I used to work in one of them

@PatoSáinz Thats the only reason why you were targeted'

Anonymous

But I don't look like a weak man at all and my avatar here is years old

Mark Henderson

21:25

Plus if you were wearing a santa hat they probably thought you were mentally handicapped

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ewwhite

@pauska Thank you :)

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson lol

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Of course it's not all roses.. consider this strange news. boston.cbslocal.com/2013/10/15/…

Anonymous

me three weeks ago

mossy

21:26

@MarkHenderson golf clap

Anonymous

Probably not an easy target for a thief

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Well here he'd go to jail for having a gun and probably get a harsher sentence than the would-be robber

@PatoSáinz You're 14 and you have that beard?

Anonymous

But again, apparently I had to deal with the world's most idiotic thiefs... not even a fucking knife, wtf?!

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson indeed

mossy

holy shit

Mark Henderson

21:27

@PatoSáinz Fuck you I didn't get a beard like that till at least 17

Matthew Ife

@PatoSáinz That was one hell of a hairy girl you were with in the middle.

Mark Henderson

Also if I had worn that beard to school they would have sent me home to shave (private school policy. No facial hair for students)

Anonymous

@MatthewIfe don't i look cute

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson same here, I had to shave one week ago... actually, just trimmed it

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz Those girls are wearing way too many clothes for being at the beach. Unless they're your sisters in which case they should be wearing two more layers.

Anonymous

21:29

@MarkHenderson from courses above 8th grade the de facto rule is actually "acceptable facial hair"

mossy

Anyone here play Diablo 3?

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson It was a cold day and the sun was just coming out

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson i've been confused for an university freshman

Anonymous

it's quite... convinient sometimes

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz Whats the legal age for buying alcohol where you are?

Anonymous

21:32

18

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz If the checkout chick isn't paying attention you could totally pass

Anonymous

Luckily I live in a rational place where you can enlist to the army, drive and buy alcohol at the same age (I'm looking at you, America)

Mark Henderson

I was passing by the age of 16, but certainly not 14

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson Even when paying attention, it works, personal experience

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz America. The land where you can star in a porno, but not watch it.

Anonymous

21:33

@MarkHenderson holy lol, then what do actors who fall in that category do? Perform blindfolded?

Michael Hampton

@mossy I got about as far as Act III on normal and kind of lost interest.

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz At 18, it's not illegal to perform it. It's not illegal to have sex. But it is illegal to watch porn if you are < 21 in some states

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson Lemme guess... Texas?

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz Not sure

Not really across my US laws

I don't even know how they remember so many states

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson they don't

MikeyB

21:35

@mossy Play Torchlight 2 instead.

Mark Henderson

We have 8 states/territories and sometimes I forget them.

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson I've travelled to most of them.

Anonymous

Americans suck at geography

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson No, no. America, the land where you can be arrested for producing child porn by taking an erotic selife.

Anonymous

We just have one :) (but around 15 regions lol)

Mark Henderson

21:36

@HopelessN00b Haha yeah that happens here too

Anonymous

@HopelessN00b I'm amused at how America can be so liberal in so ways and so fucking interventionist in private life in others

Mark Henderson

Boy gets on sex register for having a selfie taken by 16 year old girlfriend

> The teens at Susquenita High, who all knew each other, were accused last fall of using their cell phones to take, send, or receive nude photos of each other and in one case a short video of a oral sex. That resulted in a felony pornography charge for each minor.

Michael Hampton

@PatoSáinz It's two sides of the same coin: people who have power want to lord it over the rest of us.

Mark Henderson

Clearly I went to school 10 years too early

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson the exact thing happened here in 2008

Mark Henderson

21:37

My brother's girlfriend who is a high school teacher told me how she had to sent two kids to the principal because a female student was giving a blowjob in exchange for a big mac

Michael Hampton

When I went to school, a cell phone was the size of a briefcase, and might even have been installed in one.

Anonymous

it even became a meme

Mark Henderson

And she teaches at a rich private school!

Matthew Ife

@MarkHenderson To be young.. and to have a camera in every pocket.. and hormones.

Matt Bear

@HopelessN00b thats nuts...

Anonymous

21:38

@MichaelHampton most I know about American Law is through popehat.com's blog

Anonymous

It's a really good-quality blog

Matthew Ife

@MarkHenderson What do you get for a fillet of fish, I wonder?

Matt Bear

@MarkHenderson when your hungry your hungry!

Mark Henderson

@MatthewIfe Also I'm guessing its not members of the AV club or the Chess club who are sending/receiving sexts

So I guess some things will never change

@MattBear Sigh

Matthew Ife

@MarkHenderson I dont really think anything has changed. Its just more accessible.

Mark Henderson

21:40

I really worry for my son

He is tall and has dreamy blue eyes and is kind

He will have an STD from a tramp by the age of 17 I'm sure

@MatthewIfe You're probably right

Matthew Ife

@MarkHenderson least he wont be eating McDonalds.

Mark Henderson

@MatthewIfe No, he'll be giving it away

HopelessN00b

@MattBear Actually pretty common, though. That was just Google hit of 1 of 18 trillion. I'm dreading the day when my friends kids grow up and I'm gonna have to chop some prosecutor into fish food.

Mark Henderson

Nah I will teach him right. He will at least pay the girl out of his pocket money

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Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Do fish eat lawyers?

HopelessN00b

21:42

@MichaelHampton If you cut 'em into small enough pieces.

Matt Bear

@MichaelHampton no... you actually have to dissolve them with a base, acid doesn't work

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Cleaning the blood out of the wood chipper was a real bitch.

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HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Have you learned nothing from Dexter? Bone saws and plastic sheeting, dude.

Matt Bear

I think Sodium Hydroxide would work

HopelessN00b

Although, to be fair, you want to drain the blood before you start cutting. A lot easier to cut that way for some reason.

Jacob

21:44

@MattBear Yeah that would do it

Matt Bear

@HopelessN00b Or freeze them... then you can just break parts off

no mess

Michael Hampton

The US closely tracks purchases of certain chemicals...

HopelessN00b

@MattBear There are a couple threads about that on chemistry.se, actually. And that's what the chemistry nerds say is best.

Matt Bear

@HopelessN00b haha really?

I have a friend who's a chemistry teacher

HopelessN00b

@MattBear Yup. seem to be spawned by breaking bad, but they're there.

Matt Bear

21:45

he brought a flask of it over and was showing me what it could do

it changes color when you shake it up

and mixing it with sulphuric acid creates... water

HopelessN00b

@MattBear Horrible idea, actually. You ever tried to break off a piece of ice when it's 6 inches thick? and that's without all the muscle and flesh holding it together. Check out a meat locker some day and tell me you still think frozen flesh is easy to break off

@MattBear And salt. (Well, a salt... not table salt, though..)

Jacob

@HopelessN00b Perhaps is you freeze it with liquid helium/nitrogen

Matt Bear

@HopelessN00b well yeah

HopelessN00b

That would be NaOH and HCl.

Matt Bear

@HopelessN00b big enough hammer would do it, or an industrial shear

HopelessN00b

21:47

@Jacob Now that.... sounds like fun. Gonna call around tomorrow see if anyone knows how much of that it would take to freeze a person... and then if they'll sell it to me.

Matt Bear

@HopelessN00b seriously though... hogs

Jacob

@PatoSáinz I could drive @16, technically you're an adult at 18, but no booze until 21.

Matt Bear

they will clean up a body short time

Anonymous

@Jacob and you could be in the army @18 iirc

Jacob

@HopelessN00b Refrigerant would work, it just might take a lot of i.

HopelessN00b

21:50

@MattBear Too smelly, and I don't know any hog farmers. So it's fish food and a trip to Lake Eire for my body disposal needs.

Anonymous

america is just craazy

Jacob

@PatoSáinz I can't, but other people can

Mark Henderson

@Jacob - just a reminder, are you going to email me about that VPN?

Matt Bear

@HopelessN00b your in Australia aren't you?

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Yep I'm going to do that soon

Mark Henderson

21:51

@Jacob Thanks

freiheit

@MattBear Gotta find some factory farmed hogs. The local organic-fed heritage breed hogs won't be allowed anywhere near something as nasty as human flesh...

Michael Hampton

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Q: using SQL in vbscript

I was wondering if it was possible to create a OnLogOff VBScript that gathers a machine's hardware and some software information and then have the script run a query to stuff that into a database somewhere. I'm thinking to set up a PHP/MySQL database that just collects and updates machine inform...

Attack!

Anonymous

RobM

@HopelessN00b I've taken up attempting the impossible for my new hobby.

Michael Hampton

10

Q: What happens if I fart on someone's balls?

Do you ever get the chance to fart on someone's balls? So far Cartman and Randy have told me "never fart on anyone's balls" but I have yet to find someone I can do this to. Ultimately, what happens if you do fart on someone's balls?

the-stick-of-truth

I thinhk I must buy this game.

Mark Henderson

22:06

@MichaelHampton There was a great one I saw earlier. Something like "Who must I fart on to to people to respect my authority" or something

Michael Hampton

18

Q: Who's in charge? I want to fart on some authority figures to speak truth to power

Working on rounding out my accumulation of achievements, it seems that I may have been insufficiently diligent in my quest to fart on everyone in South Park. I say this because I've finished the game, but have not earned the Truth to Power achievement. I'm not sure who I'm supposed to fart on fo...

achievements the-stick-of-truth

57

Q: Al Gore won't leave me alone. How do I unfriend someone on Facebook?

In exploring South Park, I met a somewhat curious older gentleman hiding in he bushes over behind the movie theatre. It turns out that gentleman was former Vice President Al Gore. He promptly became my Facebook friend, and asked me to help him place some fancy science equipment around town. Afte...

the-stick-of-truth

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Haha that one

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson And of course Australia gets a censored version.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton We don't tolerate rape joke or anal probes. At all. Ever.

Mind you, I played the uncensored version of Saints Row IV and the game was censored in AU for 2 particular missions. The missions were totally unnecessary and stupid and the game wouldn't have been any worse off without them. Except that it makes your multiplayer experience incompatible with the rest of the world

freiheit

22:25

@MarkHenderson What about terrible school names?

Mark Henderson

@freiheit Haha thats... unfortunate. You also like to call things "middle sex" which is also weird

freiheit

@MarkHenderson middlesex is more of an east coast thing... Though... when I was attending that high school, I did live very near "sexton" rd...

Joel E Salas

Real question: How on earth do I get source RPMs for centos if eg. yumdownloader --source libselinux-ruby fails?

Matthew Ife

@JoelESalas This is why we switched to Scientific Linux.

Joel E Salas

@MatthewIfe Bfjhgfhngf

Matthew Ife

22:39

@JoelESalas that and the distance between 6 in rhel and 6 in centos was stupidly long.

@JoelESalas you can probably nab the srpms from a SL Mirror to be honest.

freiheit

@JoelESalas Browse the repo with a web browser?

Joel E Salas

@freiheit It definitely isn't there

Mark Henderson

@freiheit First time I heard of it was in Donny Darko and it confused the hell out of me more than anything else in that movie did

Joel E Salas

So is it remotely possible to rebuild centos?? I thought it was

freiheit

@MarkHenderson "middlesex"?

Mark Henderson

22:42

@freiheit Nah he went to "middle sex high school"

Not intersex :p

Matthew Ife

I thin theres an archive mirror

freiheit

@MarkHenderson Getting laid less than the kids at "Sexton high school" but more than the kids at "Chastity High School"? ;)

Matthew Ife

@JoelESalas vault.centos.org/6.5/os/Source/SPackages/…

mossy

i'm back don't worry.

Joel E Salas

@MatthewIfe That doesn't seem to provide the equivalent /usr/lib64/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/x86_64-linux/selinux.so file?

Michael Hampton

22:46

@JoelESalas Name the correct souce RPM instead? libselinux

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton You're absolutely right, just inspected the spec file.

I was about to do something very dumb.

Michael Hampton

yum really should figure that sort of thing out.

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton thank you thank you thank you

freiheit

@MichaelHampton Yum is really smart about deps, but grabbing srcs is a pain. "yum install /usr/lib64/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/x86_64-linux/selinux.so" totally works, and once it's installed you can "rpm -qi" the package it installed to get the info.

Matthew Ife

I think grabbing sources is pretty easy, providing you've got the repo for them.

Basil

22:53

@HopelessN00b What's a TN visa?

freiheit

@MatthewIfe And providing you know which srpm you need, yeah. :)

Magellan

i hate having to circumvent my own departmental policies to get shit done. =/

Matthew Ife

Well, you can just to rpm -q --whatprovides <thisfile> then "yumdownloader --source <thatrpm>"

Ryan Ries

Dudes

freiheit

@MatthewIfe No, you can't. You can only do that for simple packages.

Matthew Ife

22:56

@freiheit example please.

Andrew

Back from a public holiday! What did I miss?

freiheit

@MatthewIfe You need rpm -q --queryformat '%{SOURCERPM}\n' --whatprovides

@MatthewIfe @JoelESalas' example of /usr/lib64/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/x86_64-linux/selinux.so. Any file in the mod_ssl package is a good example, too.

Matthew Ife

Well, thats pretty cool, didnt know that.But the rpmdb should resolve all files in an rpm to where they were from and the rpmdb should know from any given package which spec file they were generated from.

Thats partly why rpm's are so bitchy during spec generation about what files are deployed where and whether files are missing.

freiheit

@MatthewIfe I'm not sure that yumrepos have the info about what source rpm a given ${arch}.rpm package is associated with, though...

(not that the info isn't in the RPMS used to build the yumrepo info, just that I'm not sure it actually goes into to those yumrepo indexes)

Matthew Ife

@freiheit it does store it. I checked the yum sqlitedb schema.

`sqlite> .schema packages
CREATE TABLE packages ( ...
rpm_sourcerpm TEXT,
....`

Joel E Salas

23:38

@MatthewIfe Patch time?!?

Mark Henderson

So I heard a lot about the show Cosmos that was on TV last night

So I downloaded it and watched it

I didn't think it was quite as good as everyone on the twitters thought it was

Andrew

@MarkHenderson did you ever see abc.net.au/tv/voyage

mossy

@MarkHenderson Was awkward at some parts

Mark Henderson

@mossy I saw a lot of people bitching about the animations. I didn't mind them so much. It's obviously a show geared at people who have hard-ons for space, but it was really, really light-on and didn't really cover anything particularly deep

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Most of them got high first

Andrew

23:44

@MarkHenderson Seth MacFarlane was involved, what did you expect?

and Brannon Braga. argh....

Mark Henderson

A few of the lines in it got me frustrated as well. Like the bit where he mentions that in the 16th century that freedom of speech didn't exist. News flash: it doesn't exist now

@Andrew Haha good point

@Andrew Nah i didn't

Anonymous

wtf internet

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mossy

He said something along the lines of "Oh. You have to thank them for sex." queue awkward pause and smile :3

I probably wasn't paying attention though.

Mark Henderson

It did do a very good job of making us feel incredibly small and insignificant

@mossy Oh yeah that was terribly executed

Anonymous

I mean, i'm already pretty much insensibilised and don't need eye bleach but... some shit still manages to shock me

Matthew Ife

23:46

@JoelESalas no patches for me today hopefully ;)

Mark Henderson

@PatoSáinz Why are you watching shock sites then?

Anonymous

@MarkHenderson I've seen a lot of different shock sites, goatse could be my wallpaper and i wouldn't mind it

Matthew Ife

I watched cosmos. Was, meh. Felt a bit too jackanory to me. Also thought the religious sniping was a little insensitive to a program trying to get people interested in science.

Joel E Salas

Mark Henderson

@MatthewIfe Eh they tackled that better than they otherwise could have.

Falcon Momot

23:49

@JoelESalas I think just looking at that face is bad enough

freiheit

Fuck this shit. I'm going home.

Mark Henderson

They mostly stuck to the facts, rather than preach about the "danger of religion"

Joel E Salas

@freiheit Cheers

Matthew Ife

@MarkHenderson well, the irony is that if they 'teach the facts' about historically what small minded bigots actually did do, its the small minded bigots that will complain / not tune in in the first place to have their minds changed.

Magellan

Satisfaction: Setting up a mod_proxy perfectly on the first attempt.

Mark Henderson

23:53

@MatthewIfe So in other words, they are preaching to the choir. No surprise there.

Matthew Ife

It should teach about the universe, and what we know, how we know it. Not spend 10 minutes going through the torment someone went through for knowing it. Its kinda rubbing it in the religious rights face.

Mark Henderson

fwiw I'm religious and I didn't find anything particularly offensive, just a bit depressing that so many religious leaders, then and now, are so close minded.

I know plenty of people who balance their faith and their scientific curiosity

They even had a go at Martin Luther who is a bit of a hero to me. But he would have never claimed to have been perfect and would have admitted to making mistakes.

@MatthewIfe I see your point. That part didn't really progress the story. But I guess what it did do was sort of explain why it took a long time for science to progress. It's no secret that religious reasons have quite the history of blocking scientific progress

Matthew Ife

They were heavily insinuating that religion would lose control and power if people really knew how the world worked.

Mark Henderson

@MatthewIfe And they were insinuating what the religious leaders at the time thought. But non-religious leaders do the same thing. Just look at North Korea. Keep the people living in ignorance and control their lives and retain your power.

So it's not a fault of religion, but rather the fault of people drunk on power, keeping their power by keeping the masses ignorant

Matthew Ife

Which is probably right. But cosmos I think should really be focusing on the wonders of the universe rather than mans shorted-sightedness of discvering them.

Mark Henderson

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@MatthewIfe Well let's see what next week has to offer

They've done their introduction/history back story summary

Maybe it will take a back seat

Matthew Ife

I suspect cosmos has a harder battle to fight with regards to the earlier cosmos, American culture has shifted more to the right, I think people are overall less tolerant of having their religion criticized (however true it mgith be)

Lets hope so :).

I did like the bit at the end when he was talking about when he met Sagan. That was a nice.

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