The Comms Room

Dan

09:10

@FalconMomot Just read the log - your co workers other half sounds like a very sad person

Falcon Momot

@Dan she's a strange one

almost impossible to read

Dan

@FalconMomot What's interesting is most people like to give advice or think they're doing the right things - so I don't really understand why someone would be upset at being "copied" in an adult sense. (I'll presume you aren't literally trying to be him!)

Falcon Momot

@Dan of course not. it's tremendously ironic, isn't it.

Dan

That's people, I guess

Falcon Momot

yup

Dan

09:20

Just sent off my first bit of technical documentation under the guise of my own company - very peculiar!

Falcon Momot

@Dan it's always awesome to get to put your stamp on something.

Dan

Definitely

Falcon Momot

09:49

hmm, there are sure a lot of active flags

RobM

10:11

@tombull89 while I realise it's totally my fault I went to bed really late last night because I started reading that book you suggested and decided to finish it in one sitting, I still totally blame you now that I'm tired and cranky.

It's a great book though, thanks :)

faker

10:47

day 2 of our Lync outage. Internally it works again but externally connecting users still can't connect. This can't be such a big deal to fix, or can it?

MDMoore313

@faker all services or just certain ones?

tombull89

@RobM which one was that? The Doctorow ones?

Journeyman Geek

;p

tombull89

I might have metioned it before but Ready Player One was very enjoyable - the movie rights were sold recently so if they do that properly it will be very good.

Dan

I have got to stop talking to myself

RobM

10:57

@tombull89 the magic police river thames one

Journeyman Geek

oh thats my fault

RobM

was that your suggestion?

Beg pardon both of you then!

faker

@MDMoore313 we have road warriors who cannot connect at all anymore

Dan

Don't you just love that "HELL YEAH" feeling when you crack a problem that has stumped everyone before you!

tombull89

@RobM nope, not mine.

@Dan personally it's "AWW YIISSSS" but yeah, I know what you mean.

MDMoore313

11:08

@faker DNS?

faker

@MDMoore313 probably some certificate expired. That started the whole mess.

I'm not working on fixing it, I'm not involved in Windows or Office infrastructure here

MDMoore313

11:22

@faker Ouch, yeh certs are so funny, Some companies require a signed letterhead by the CIO to grant $cert, but no in person ID, seriously?

tombull89

I'm screwed. I'm on the third page of Google results and haven't found an answer for what I'm searching for.

2

RobM

that's rarely a good sign

MDMoore313

@tombull89 @RobM a changing of keywords may be in order, but you never know.

How many pages before a trip to SF is warranted I wonder.

tombull89

hmm. "set default program via gpo" can't really be rearranged much.

any more than 3 pages you're out of luck.

MDMoore313

@tombull89 default program for....?

Dan

11:43

WTF flags

tombull89

11:54

@MDMoore313 video files. In Win 7 and 8 you can set a program to open all files it can read. I'd like to do that for our machines as most have a mishmash of default settings - open everything with Quicktime Lite, some Media Player Classic, some VLC, and some with IE (!). I just want to use Media Player Classic with everything.

welp

MDMoore313

@tombull89 if all else fails you can do a straight reg settings for the extensions

tombull89

I'd rather not use reg settings, but it looks to be the only way I can do it.

MDMoore313

@tombull89 I hear you.

Dan

12:10

I thought GPP could do file associations?

Oh, no, I see

cole

12:50

Morning

RobM

morning

RobM

13:10

5

Q: Bad Language in the Office

I started a new job as a software developer around 3 months ago in a small IT department of a Window Factory in Wales. Since then I have become increasingly concerned about the level of language that is in ordinary use, not just from the "workers" on the shop floor but also from managers and off...

human-resources

Dan

Was reading that earlier

RobM

Wondering what they'd make of this chat room...

Dan

At first I thought it was silly, but then I read his comments and I'd never take being spoken to like that

RobM

Yes, to me the language isn't the issue. I would have issue with "go back to your den" more than I would with the word fuck.

Dan

Yeah, exactly - it's all about tone and intent

I must admit, though, while we all know bullying happens - I do tend to err on the side of caution when reading questions like that.

RobM

13:18

well to a certain degree, if someone is experiencing a pattern of behaviour or language and feels bullied by it then they are... though equally I get the impression that he's not asked people to stop, and if they're like that with each other, not just him, then he needs to set his stall out I think.

Dan

Yeah, it's very tricky without being there

I do feel for people who don't feel able to speak out, though

I've walked off site a couple of times in the past with the request for them to call me when they've taken a look at themselves. I usually get the apology call within an hour and then nice as pie after that

RobM

yeah. I mean we all have bad days - both in terms of letting your mouth run away with you and in terms of being more sensitive to comments you might otherwise not be bothered by, but most people try to be decent most of the time, I find.

Dan

-2

A: Bad Language in the Office

Software Development is a very stressful job. Developers are usually very intelligent, but often forced to do stupid, repeatable tasks. In each case the time taken by each task is very unpredictable, causing people to feel under pression (I've said it will take 2 days, hoping to finish it in 4 ho...

What's that shit, though

user58869

@Dan there's a word or it, but i can't remember the word

ewwhite

Not many jobs make me regret my career trajectory... but every once in awhile... I wonder if I could have made better decisions early on.

Salary:300,000 - 600,000$ per Annum
This firm is looking for an absolute rockstar in Linux and networking and will pay top dollar to bring this person on board.

RobM

13:28

@dan not only is that not an answer to the question asked, but I'm not sure what question it ever could be an answer to.

That's a lot of money but I'm instantly suspicious of firms that use "rockstar" in their adverts and who are not harmonix advertising for a new game developer, rockstar advertising for someone to make GTA6 or bon jovi (or whoever) advertising for a new bass player.

ewwhite

@RobM You know Harmonix was one of my clients, right?

Dan

@ewwhite That's Top 0.5% shit, though - no matter what your expertise if you reach that kind of level then you'll be drawing cash

RobM

I didn't @ewwhite, very cool :)

ewwhite

@Dan I've worked with people who meet that description... and they're usually in the $300k range.

@RobM from my last firm, that is... I had weekly crashes with their vSphere clusters.

RobM

yeah there are top 1% people in any profession

Dan

13:31

@ewwhite What I mean is I don't think it's a career decision thing - it's more about becoming that degree of expert

RobM

what was doing that then? I've always thought vsphere was pretty damn solid

ewwhite

@RobM Because: Supermicro.

Dan

@ewwhite I cringe whenever I hear it

RobM

oh. oh my.

I think for things like that you should spring for a tier-1 server provider.

well hell we've all had that discussion here lots of times.

ewwhite

@RobM The hosts would just drop out of the cluster... I'd call the HMX staff and ask them if I could power down the orphaned VMs.

Totally embarrassing.

RobM

13:33

I can imagine :-(

ewwhite

Going through chat logs to see if there are any remnants... hmm... just some application support issues.

@Dan there's soooo much specific knowledge.

Dan

Just had to go the toilet 2 stories down for no other reason than I left the meeting room via the wrong door and felt too silly to go back in and through the other door

ewwhite

You have to know developers, high end colo, datacenter, low-latency networking, be able to program a bit, management, automation...

JohnD

Juggling skills are a plus.

ewwhite

basically

@Dan I had an interview yesterday that really shook me up.

pauska

13:49

@ewwhite How did your Ruby programming go?

ewwhite

@pauska we skipped it.

but it was instead a number of questions about how the internet works.

(I don't know how the internet works)

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite More importantly, who cares? It's represented as a cloud for a reason.

ewwhite

haha

@HopelessN00b well, I had a bad nightmare about the interview....

mainly because I wonder if I should be able to talk about things in that detail or not.

"Explain how a packet finds its way from Los Angeles to New York"

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite I dunno. For me, I start getting interview questions like that, I start reassessing whether I really want to work there or not.

@ewwhite "Routers tell it where to go. Next question?"

ewwhite

heh

well, it has a way of making otherwise accomplished people look pretty stupid

HopelessN00b

13:57

Actually, I guess that's not quite accurate. "Routers pass it down the line like a drunk chick at a frat party. Next question?"

Dan

@ewwhite Why?

TheCleaner

@RobM - see the updates to O365 for "February" announced on Friday? Some good stuff on the Exchange side of the house.

ewwhite

@Dan because I found out 10 minutes beforehand that it was going to be a Ruby pair programming exercise... and instead we had a Q&A session comprised of questions like, "design a solution to distribute a 4GB file to 10,000 Linux servers in the same data center" or "What happens when you type ssh hostname and hit ENTER?" and "Explain how DNS works in as great of detail as possible."

And I failed... bad.

Dan

@ewwhite I think you're a bit like me in that regard - I suck at that kind of stuff

Assign it me as a task and I'll get it done

ewwhite

@Dan but is it okay to suck at this?

HopelessN00b

14:02

I know what it is about that types of questions that really turn me off. They miss the forest for the trees.

Having me to design a solution to distribute a file to 10,000 servers, or decompile a shell, or deep-dive into DNS code (etc.) is already a failure on the part of my bosses - the proper answer being "install someone else's solution, who the fuck cares, and call up support," respectively.

Dan

@ewwhite No idea, I just blag it

RobM

@TheCleaner not yet, though are they just the Exchange 2013 SP1 updates?

Dan

The Ops Manager at my last replace always said he loved an answer in my interview that boiled down to "Dunno - never needed to know. If I need to know at some point, I'll find out"

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b but there are some cases where you want to know the reasoning behind doing something... e.g. lowering TTLs before making a DNS change on a web/mail server.

then there are practical reasons for why, and a chance for the candidate to explain what they know about the process.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Well, sure, but that doesn't require you to have a really deep level of knowledge about how DNS works, just the basics.

Dan

14:05

@ewwhite I think what I hate about interviews is that it's hard to convery a sense of context in an interview question

ewwhite

I think I'm a good interviewer in most cases... I do it a lot...

Dan

I'm not moaning, because I know this is what contracting is all about but I'm so about to get landed with a steaming turd here

ewwhite

but I've also taken certain hints for granted... people typically ask about technology and what I've done with it.

Dan

Underspecced system, badly thought out implementation and no design for the DR which is meant to be testable in 2 weeks

ewwhite

and when I'm on the other side of the table, I ask people about their projects, what/how they learn, etc.

RobM

14:06

they've hired you to be superman and magically fix it all

HopelessN00b

Depends on what you do. SAs and SEs deploy and design systems all the time that are just far too complex for any one person to have exhaustive knowledge all the way down on.

Maybe I'm way off base, but I thought that was kind of the point, to some degree. You don't want someone who knows how to code up a platform, you want someone who can take an existing platform and use it to add business value.

Dan

Oh, and the TA who I've been working with is about to leave site and isn't coming back for several days. I have no idea what they expect me to get done

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b well, this was a big web payments startup... so I think they did build a lot of shit themselves.

Dan

@RobM They've based a considerable amount of the design on a barely heard of Citrix command they found on an old document on a 3 versions ago product

TheCleaner

@RobM For the DLP/SMIME stuff, yeah. But they finally increased message tracking from 30 to 90 days and now there's more detailed spam reporting.

blogs.office.com/2014/02/28/whats-new-february-2014

Dan

14:08

Surprisingly, it's not working as advertised and the Citrix support person had never heard of it

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Then, maybe they're looking for the wrong thing ... or maybe you just wouldn't be a fit for what they expect.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite These might be appropriate questions if they intend for you to do low-level system and network stuff. But mostly they seem silly.

HopelessN00b

Hard to say which, but it sounds like they want an SA who can also code or dive deep enough to debug their custom shit. Sounds like a nasty job to me.

pauska

@RobM @TheCleaner O365 doesn't follow the regular service schedule.. they run a custom set of patches

this is why Exchange/Sharepoint CU's have stinked the last year.. bugs after bugs after bugs

TheCleaner

I don't have any bugs @pauska - I'm on O365 exclusively. ;)

ewwhite

14:11

@MichaelHampton Well, they approached me twice over the past year because of this question.

And the head of the infrastructure for the organization wrote me and said, "We have a mix of strong systems engineers specialized in Linux, strong software engineers focussing on automation. I believe you could specifically help us with choosing the right hardware for the job, provide support on OS platform and virtualization / performance engineering."

Sounds consistent with my experience...

Michael Hampton

Then they start asking you a bunch of completely irrelevant questions.

ewwhite

well, the head of infra didn't interview me... a site-reliability engineer did.

MDMoore313

@ewwhite In your defense a packet doesn't 'find it's way' anywhere, it's sent from place to place, there's a difference.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Either way, seems like they effed up the interview process.

ewwhite

I let the head of infrastructure know that I failed ;)

@MDMoore313 we ended up talking about routing and BGP and this and that...

but still...

MDMoore313

14:17

@ewwhite Well some people may not like the idea of a 'consultant' coming in to tell them about their infrastructure

ewwhite

I think I said, "but wait! I have a ton of rep points!!" as they hung up the phone.

5

funny thing... most startups I talk with know Stack Overflow intimately from the dev side... but their sysadmins don't use Server Fault.

MDMoore313

@ewwhite perhaps brushing on the basics wouldn't hurt?

RobM

@TheCleaner ah I see. That is cool.

HopelessN00b

@MDMoore313 Wouldn't have helped either, from what I saw of the interview questions.

ewwhite

@MDMoore313 well, it depends. I think it's absurd to ask those questions of a senior resource.

maybe for someone coming right out of school

sometimes companies will present real problems they're having... that's an interesting technique.

MDMoore313

14:20

@ewwhite How exactly do they know you're a sr admin? rep points ???

:-)

ewwhite

@MDMoore313 extensive resume.

MDMoore313

Res' can be faked ^.^ @ewwhite

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Even then... seems like the better answer would be "call support" or "ask the team lead." I'd flunk anyone who actually suggested debugging DNS code as a solution to a real world problem.

MDMoore313

@ewwhite But I'm not a manager so I wouldn't know

HopelessN00b

@MDMoore313 Anything can be faked.

ewwhite

14:21

At a Red Hat interview, they presented a real problem they were having with embedded systems used by gogoair.com - And wanted to see the steps I would take to resolve...

MDMoore313

@HopelessN00b So true

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite That's a good approach, because ultimately, that's what the job is. Who the fuck cares how well you know the DNS process, if you can't perform troubleshooting or design or coding or whatever the job function actually is?

ewwhite

then the resume faking is checked by asking about the projects and solutions presented on the resume...

Oh, I see you have VMware listed in your last position... Can you describe the environment and your involvement in the management of the cluster?

pauska

"I had a great time running a cluster of highly critical customer vm's against a EMC VNX running in NFS mode"

HopelessN00b

@pauska "It was cold and snowy, which I managed by wearing a coat."

ewwhite

14:26

Or... @MichaelHampton I see you are endorsed for BIND on LinkedIn... We use PowerDNS here. Can you discuss the differences between the two or the architectural decisions surrounding your choice of BIND?

@pauska until it failed.

pauska

@ewwhite I was being sarcastic

ewwhite

I know!

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite That's a reasonable question.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton 3 jobs ago, we had PowerDNS...

MDMoore313

@ewwhite I'm with @HopelessN00b on that one, it can all be faked. In RE: to the questions though, I don't know the position it was for, but there has to be some vetting involved.

TheCleaner

14:28

@ewwhite - you should have used your "phone a friend" during the interview to call Marra.

ewwhite

@TheCleaner I called him beforehand to console me.

TheCleaner

:)

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I liked PowerDNS's multiple database backends, which made it pretty easy to update DNS records that need to change rapidly or frequently. Such as a realtime blackhole list.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite You mean consul, right? Console would be what happened after you failed.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton in my case, I was working with people from the ISP world... and the DB backend made sense for what they were doing.

faker

14:30

@MDMoore313 I heard about even video/skype interviews getting faked, you see a different person than who is talking. If you hire him you get the one you saw, who knows nothing

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b it was between the Ruby announcement and the actual call. So it was a consoling call.

@faker I've done a lot of video calls... those work well.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I was evaluating it for an RBL...it never went forward though.

ewwhite

I'll just say this one was a fluke.

MDMoore313

@faker yeh, nice screen name.... Where did you hear about this ;)

ewwhite

Back to Puppet stuff this morning... @MichaelHampton Have you ever created custom facts for facter?

faker

14:35

@MDMoore313 I don't know what you mean! Would you like to hire some top notch IT professionals from me? I can setup a Skype interview right now

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Nope, never needed to (yet).

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I have ZFS on ~25% of my Linux servers now. With that comes a new facter variable: $::zfs_version - I'm using that to detect the presence of ZFS and add some bash-completion rules.

Is the cleanest way to check a variable's existence just to see if it's undef?

Basil

15:15

morning

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite You could just say: if $zfs_version { but if you're doing things version-specific, I'd use a case instead.

Or if $zfs_version >= 28 { ... } elsif $zfs_version >= 25 { ...

ewwhite

Oh, there's no version specificity... I'm just using the fact as a way to show if ZFS is installed or not.

  if $::zfs_version != undef {
    file { "/etc/bash_completion.d/zfs.bash":
    Do MOAR stuffs....

Michael Hampton

That should work fine.

Ok, I can't just do that right now cause we're working on it. But I'll try that and let you know. Thanks — Neovea 11 mins ago

Damn, my wild guess was right.

ewwhite

15:31

oops

Michael Hampton

Fucking Ubuntu. They must have been the very last distro to offer full disk encryption.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Makes sense. I still wouldn't trust Ubuntu with any data worth encrypting.

Michael Hampton

@MichaelHampton, yes I did...there is the Cable Modem router and my WiFi Router...Is that not clear? — DDiVita 1 min ago

Oh god, an idiot...

dawud

I'm restaing this AIX NAO:

root@igor_lpar4 ~
# uptime
16:41pm up 1938 days 22:55, 1 user, load average: 2.62, 2.14, 2.01

2

ewwhite

@dawud it won't come back

dawud

15:43

thanks :)

Michael Hampton

Come on, at least wait an hour to hit 1939 days.

dawud

@MichaelHampton I'm seriously considering that

Tanner

god dammit fuck printers

Michael Hampton

Fark, that's over five years. I agree, I'd block out four hours for putting the pieces back together after rebooting it.

Tanner

most arcane fucking shit...

HopelessN00b

15:46

@MichaelHampton four hours? Pfft. I'd block out the rest of my week/month.

Michael Hampton

Oh yeah, it is AIX.

HopelessN00b

Granted, small sample size, but 90% of the time I've had to reboot an AIX box, it took multiple days to get it back into working order.

Basil

@HopelessN00b No offence, but that's not because it's AIX.

HopelessN00b

@Basil Well... arguably. It's UNIX. It doesn't like being rebooted.

Basil

@HopelessN00b We just finished updating 6000 LPARs to a new AIX version, and for the most part, they all went pretty well.

HopelessN00b

15:56

@Basil Well, a local partition's a bit different from a full-fledged UNIX server. Not that UNIX has to be inherently bad at handling reboots, but it generally is.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Good thing I use Linux and not UNIX, then.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Agreed. Where's the fun in an operating system you can't randomly reboot to keep the boss busy, punish your users, or just spice up a dull day at the office?

Michael Hampton

Oh, where's that video of booting RHEL 7 that I made the other day?

Feb 28 at 2:23, by Michael Hampton

Here's a nice video of booting RHEL 7. http://s000.tinyupload.com/download.php?file_id=22045932771715379599&t=220459327‌7171537959940244 (Ogg Vorbis)

dawud

Funny how while in an HMC ssh session, "You can escape from the console connection by typing ~~."

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Doesn't work so well when the OS boots in under 10 seconds.

Chris S

16:08

Clippy had a kid, his name is Pegman.

3

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Sounds like a challenge to me. I'm sure could occupy some of my more troublesome annoyances by rebooting such a server every 147 seconds.

"Hey, why does our [$service] go down for a few seconds every couple minutes? It's really impacting my work... please take a look."

Tanner

@HopelessN00b "impacting my work" >_>

voretaq7

16:43

@Tanner hammers impact people's work...

@ChrisS Fuck Pegman.

dawud

Just for laughs :D

# uptime
17:47pm up 1939 days 0:01, 1 user, load average: 1.31, 1.75, 1.85

@MichaelHampton

Michael Hampton

It's in the wrong time zone. Kill it with fire!

MDMarra

sup, peeps

Michael Hampton

Quiet day here.

MDMarra

When are the rest of you blues going to ban yourselves?

TheCleaner

16:54

Anyone else want to help Rex here answer my question? I'm not sure what he's saying is accurate, despite the upvote.

3

Q: Permissions when copying/moving on the same volume on a Windows 2008 R2 server

Does http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310316 still apply to 2008 R2? I see other questions here on SF like: How to workaround the NTFS Move/Copy design flaw? that discuss the issue, but I was searching around to see if that KB article still was applicable to 2008 R2 or not. Looking online I foun...

windows-server-2008-r2 file-permissions ntfs

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner COPY and PASTE worked the same is cornfusing. Are you saying that when you copy things, it pastes them, or are you saying that when you paste things, it actually copies them? :p

MDMarra

I thought that move and copy are treated the same from a permission perspective in 2008 and later, but I havent actually tested it

Anonymous

We are getting three more Matrix movies

MDMarra

I dont ever have a use case for "move" so I dont use it

HopelessN00b

Pretty much what Mark said. If I ever need to move anything, I copy it. Then delete the source copy.

ewwhite

16:59

@MichaelHampton I complained to the infrastructure manager.

Never done that before.

TheCleaner

@HopelessN00b well crap :) ...I meant copy AND move

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite About the irrelevant interview questions?

TheCleaner

@MDMarra that's what I'm experiencing on my win8 and 2008 R2...but I wonder if it is client related as well. Meaning if an XP client moves a file on a 2008 R2 server it behaves like the KB article states.

MDMarra

Hm, on a local volume win 8.1, there is still a difference

@TheCleaner this is just for local volumes

network shares always behave as a copy if they're mounted separately

and always have, afaik

TheCleaner

@MDMarra everything in me wants to agree, but reading that linked SF question I posted to they experienced the same thing I did last week...where I had a user that had moved files from an old share to a new one and the files retained their original permissions.

ewwhite

17:01

"I felt like I was interviewing for a completely different position... This experience made my self-esteem bubble deflate :("

Anonymous

Mercedes, Ferrari and BMW are now launching a car with a Siri dashboard

TheCleaner

Yet, my testing today agrees with you.

Anonymous

But the real question is, does it resist pee?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton yes, like a bitch.

MDMarra

@TheCleaner When you did that, was the folder you were moving to inside of the share you had mounted

TheCleaner

17:02

@PatoSáinz @MDMoore313 ---you're up.

MDMarra

I.e. was is

c:\
share1
- share2

voretaq7

@PatoSáinz It'll be terrible

TheCleaner

more like

E:\
SHARES

- SHARE1

- SHARE2

MDMarra

did you have only \\server\shares mapped?

Anonymous

@voretaq7 Siri is decent

MDMarra

17:03

or did you have \\server\share1\ and \\server\share2 mapped individually. I'd imagine it makes a difference

voretaq7

@PatoSáinz Siri is a skanky whore :P

Anonymous

@voretaq7 I'd rather have Google Now tho

TheCleaner

No...on the server itself it is E:\SHARES\_foldersthatareactuallysharedhere_

markdown

Anonymous

I'd trust google my car but not apple, just imagine if they missed a tiny line of code and it said "goto selfdestructcar"

Anonymous

not cool

TheCleaner

17:06

So the user sees `\\server\e:\SHARES\Accounting` as `\\server\accounting` ...pretty normal enough.
What I found was that copying/moving from `\\server\accounting\oldfolder` to `\\server\accounting\newfolder` did inherit permissions. But last week the user actually doing the move reported (and I verified) that the files moved by her retained the original permissions.

which makes me wonder if my test is invalid now...since I have FULL CONTROL and she only has modify rights (no CHANGE PERMISSIONS rights). So I guess I can retest with a normal user account.

HopelessN00b

@PatoSáinz Based on some recent court cases, it looks like the code we should really be worried about is the one the manufacturers put in.

Mucking farkdown.

2

Anonymous

Ford. When you 'Ford.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b I knew Stack Overflow was going to cause some real trouble someday.

TheCleaner

@MichaelHampton yeah I liked the first comment...same thing I thought while reading the headline

pauska

ewwhite

17:22

Yes sorry, ill give the full answer later, but basically I have found a machine where the user disabled the anti virus and that machine has cryptolocker on. So every share that user had access to is now full of corrupt files (Corrupt as in "encrypted" by cryptolocker). — boburob 1 hour ago

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Can't decide if that's funny or sad.

MDMarra

@TheCleaner modify will ensure that the user cant change the permissions, so they wont be changed

This is why I never give full control on shares ever

I dont want users being set as owner, or funky permissions happening. I only give modify so that users are forced to follow my permission model

ewwhite

@MDMarra I discovered something really sad last night.

MDMarra

go on

ewwhite

one of my bigger clients called... they were replacing all of their copiers...

Fine.

These produce companies often buy $80,000-$100,000 copier solutions.

literally, a single copier that costs that much... and they replace them every 2 years.

HopelessN00b

17:28

@ewwhite /me <sobs>

MDMarra

@ewwhite they should work out a lease with Ricoh

ewwhite

but the copier tech was on the phone... trying to walk the client through setting up a Samba share...

But I VPN in to take a look...

TheCleaner

@MDMarra right...which is the same as what I do...I need to test it a bit more to confirm what happens with a normal user.

ewwhite

and in the copier's address book, there are 200 email addresses...

MDMarra

Oh my

ewwhite

17:31

the client programmed their customers' email addresses into the copier and has been sending 30mb emails out directly from the device.

MDMarra

no tie into AD for exchange contacts, I see

thats fun

I worked at a company that set up shares on everyones computer to scan to

ewwhite

MDMarra

I was like, wtf mate

ewwhite

@MDMarra client just got four of those...

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite I've seen that too. Both here, and at [$job-2].

ewwhite

17:32

I did two friday, two last night...

MDMarra

@ewwhite hahahahahahahhaha

oh man

They need to call ricoh sales and do a lease

ewwhite

and I'm struggling to get them to buy Windows 2012/Exchange/disks/backup tape/

MDMarra

and have a 3-5 year replacement cycle in their contract

Ladadadada

Hey @ChrisS, I had a reasonably long answer to that confused DNS/SPF question written and just about ready to submit when you closed it. Would you mind opening it again so I can post?

ewwhite

@MDMarra They have... they're too high volume. The leasing firms won't touch this place.

MDMarra

17:33

Theyve tried Ricoh direct?

ewwhite

@MDMarra yes. And IKON and others.

MDMarra

ha

what the fuck are they doing on them that they dont qualify for a lease based on volume

ewwhite

@MDMarra They do about 9,000 pages a day on each of these

Ladadadada

Or any other mod for that matter, now that I realise Chris S isn't in here.

ewwhite

and scan about 6,000 invoices a day on them

Ladadadada

17:34

-2

Q: How to properly set TXT SPF record when separating A from MX records

I have current TXT record for my domain: v=spf1 a mx ip4:{ip-of-my-server} -all Both email traffic and website goes to same machine. Now, I have to point website (A record) to other server. Will it broke Sender Policy Framework - note the "a" in TXT record? If so, should I just strip "a" f...

dns email spf txt-record

MDMarra

Paging @MichaelHampton ^

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b is the email direct normal?

MDMarra

@ewwhite They cant go paperless there?

Why print 6,000 things just to scan them

Michael Hampton

@MDMarra Isn't there a dupe target for that?

ewwhite

@MDMarra signed invoices

produce is ALL paper

MDMarra

17:36

@MichaelHampton No idea, but @Ladadadada would like it reopened so he can drop some knowledge

Michael Hampton

@Ladadadada Have a ball

ewwhite

I have printer failover clusters set up there.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite I don't know about "normal," and I sure said that was stupid as hell (and wouldn't change the default Exchange configs to enable that stupidity), but I have seen it at places which don't care about attracting competent IT talent, and leaves this kind of thing in the hands of users.

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b it relays through the mail server.

but bounce back messages go....?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite To the copier?

MDMarra

17:39

Please tell me that it prints bouncebacks

ewwhite

haha

MDMarra

that would be the best

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Probably nowhere valid. In my experience, they ended up in the unused, ignored and automatically deleted postmaster@[domain] mailbox in the Exchange server, because, naturally, no one had set up an email account for the copier, or configured the copier to receive email.

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b What's Exchange? This is Sendmail, son!!

Once @MDMarra gets their AD going, we'll at least be able to tie into LDAP on the copier.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Wonder if bouncebacks get bouncedback, then. ~~> "No user [$80,[email protected]] could be found. Please check the address again and die in a fire."

Chris S

17:42

@Ladadadada Sorry - Just saw this. If you have a page eidtor like Firebug or Chrome's build-in tools, you can re-enable the submit button and it will work for up to 1 hour after a question is closed.

ewwhite

@MDMarra @HopelessN00b - Is that username scheme okay?

MDMarra

The dollar sign is an invalid character

Use S| instead

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra Won't like the comma either.

MDMarra

And this is an international world. so Sl80000USD-copy-machine might be better

@jscott! I have a question for you

jscott

Oh dear, is this a test?

MDMarra

17:44

google apps for K-8. What's the pricing look like that for?

jscott

Free

HopelessN00b

If we're allowed to be creative like that, I'd favor: 80000USD-tree-corpse-colorer

ewwhite

@MDMarra I'm talking about [email protected] and [email protected] or [email protected].

jscott

K-12. Free

MDMarra

with custom domain and all that?

like [email protected]

HopelessN00b

17:45

@ewwhite 'swhat I use everywhere I can. [email protected]

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b are people smart enough to use their full login name?

jscott

@MDMarra Yes. Doesn't include Postini/Vault. Or any market apps. But Mail, Cal, Docs... All free.

MDMarra

word up

thanks man

ewwhite

I go through the linux lastb logs and see horrible butchering of login names.

jscott

@MDMarra np. support.google.com/a/answer/139019?hl=en

HopelessN00b

17:49

@ewwhite Well, except for the one user who couldn't spell his own last name correctly, it's worked pretty well. Throw on an alternate UPN suffix if the domain is too long, and I've been able to pretty much fire and forget.

"Log on with your email address" seems to be one of the few things users can remember, by and large.

Ladadadada

Thanks @MichaelHampton and @ChrisS. The existing answer couldn't be just left there on its own. :-(

jscott

@MDMarra Oh and Edu customers get Exchange Sync for all their users, no extra charge. That's a nice bonus. I lost it on my personal Google Apps domains as I'm a cheap ass and didn't pony up.

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b I have two companies here... so I do have some UPN suffix issues to work out.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Lately, I've taken to using a single-label abbreviation as a UPN suffix, for my own needs. So I can logon with se@tmz, for example.

Michael Hampton

So much for my quiet day...Now I'm having a Sev 1. The coffee maker died.

8

MDMarra

17:52

@jscott most appreciated

HopelessN00b

Saves valuable wear-and-tear on my keyboard, or something.

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b interesting.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Started doing it a few jobs back when their domain name was the company name (.com), and came to 19 characters. I was fed up with that after my 2nd day, and that's how I fixed it.

Transcript for