The Comms Room

ewwhite

17:04

testing some application presentation tools

84104

@DanilaLadner I usually don't think of myself as being part of the 1%.

Danila Ladner

in this case you were?

Ry Jones

@84104 if you earn over minimum wage you're almost there

Danila Ladner

even before the conflict?

84104

@DanilaLadner Yes, the current one. Isn't there always conflict over there?

Danila Ladner

17:05

I mean how many of you knew such word honestly, before things escalated in Ukraine and it is all over the media?

Basil

@CharliePrynn I just assumed wordpress :)

84104

@DanilaLadner Family history helps.

Danila Ladner

Right.

Ry Jones

@DanilaLadner which word, Crimea, or Ukraine? Doesn't matter, I knew both because I like listening to Hardcore History

Danila Ladner

Crimea

Ry Jones

17:08

dancarlin.com/disp.php/hh excellent podcast

Danila Ladner

Plus I hate how American media brings it up as well. Double standards. Who gave right to americans invade middle east countries under mock terrorism agendas.

I mean I am not saying that Russian politicians are doing correct thing, but at least in this case Russia leases the port till 2017 and has around 12,000 military staff to protect.

Obama has no right to judge with his foreign policy for last 6 years.

Plus I am not pro Putin at all, but here it is clearly any president would try to protect its people.

Ry Jones

Not sure where the hostility is coming from, I haven't seen anyone in here bringing it up

Danila Ladner

i didn't aim it towards anyone.

just general talk.

Basil

The US was soundly condemned for that, and as soon as sensible intelligent president was elected, he got their troops back home and brought the defence spending back where it should be

Ry Jones

well, regardless, Putin has taken the true measure of Obama and Obama is weak, so Putin will do as he wishes.

Basil

17:16

that said, Canada is calling bullshit on Russia as strongly as the US, and we can afford to cast the first stone. It's flat out objectively wrong, what they're doing. There isn't two sides

Danila Ladner

Sure, since there is no reason to be there anymore.

In general, i think all politicians are corrupt (including the neoliberal politicians in the west). The West uses 'black-ops' (human-trafficking, illegal drugs activity, moneylaundering) through its banks such as HSBC to siphon-off trillions which ends up in off-shore havens, Russians do the same.

it is sad that regular people suffer from all this nonsense.

Ry Jones

@DanilaLadner I do not argue against that position, I think it is true

Danila Ladner

I think it will be okay though, hopefully no war between Ukrainians and Russians, these are mostly the same people.

RobM

all politicians seem to be crooks to some degree. I've always maintained that voting isn't so much a case of choosing whether or not a politician is going to fuck you over or not and more about choosing your preferred brand of lube. And for those with true democracy, whether you get to be the big spoon or little spoon afterwards

Tanner

@DanilaLadner yeah, stuff like that never happens en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

Iain

17:27

@RobM s/seem to be/are/

RobM

@iain fair point well made.

Danila Ladner

@RobM I agree.

Ry Jones

@RobM I grew up with a guy that always voted for the non-incumbent in the race to keep the hands in the pocket changing. I dismissed his methods early on, but now I see his wisdom.

RobM

@RyJones I can see that. I tend to vote with the ones I disagree with the least, but his way is valid too

Ry Jones

ah well, today is great because I got to turn the page on the calender and see the Palouse

instagram.com/p/lFstF-zDFJ

HopelessN00b

17:59

Alright, neckbeards... got any books you'd recommend for someone to get back into the *nixes, to say, score a better job in a Windows/RHEL environment?

Ry Jones

not quite sure what you're asking - you're a strong Windows admin looking to add RHEL skills?

if that's obvious to everyone else, sorry, I woke up a couple hours early this morning

HopelessN00b

@RyJones Basically. I did run and admin Linux way back when, though most of skills have probably rusted off.

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b :)

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b I'd just start with a copy of CentOS and the Red Hat documentation.

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b I'd suggest the RHEL RHCE prep guide.

amazon.com/RHCSA-Linux-Certification-Study-Edition/dp/…

Michael Hampton

18:04

I'm assuming, of course, that you already know what things like ls -al and rm -rf do.

ewwhite

decent objectives and goals.

HopelessN00b

Alrighty... will start cramming.

ewwhite

for what you'll find in actual businesses.

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton rm -rf is for making backups, no?

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton the ls one deletes stuff, and the rm one lists stuff, duh. :)

ewwhite

18:04

none of this esoteric @MichaelHampton RHEL7 shit.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite You'll be neck deep in RHEL 7 soon enough.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton doubt it

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite You're jumping to Windows?

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Well, PowerShell is deliciously awesome

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton no, I'm settling in on my finally-stable EL6 systems.

Ry Jones

18:07

@HopelessN00b god damn right

HopelessN00b

@RyJones I think I've decided that PowerShell is like bacon. Awesome on its own, but can also be added to other things, to make the previously mundane deliciously superlative.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Ehh...it'll be at least six months before 7.0 is out, and another two years for them to stabilize it.

Right?

ewwhite

that's correct

Ry Jones

18:22

aww, SUA is dead.com now for Windows: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX

Michael Hampton

Well they grabbed systemd just before a bunch of breaking features went in, so at least that should be fine.

Ry Jones

SUA was deprecated after the release of Windows 8 Developer Preview. It was included in Windows 8.0 Enterprise and completely removed in Windows 8.1, including the Enterprise edition

tombull89

18:40

waitwhat Tom O Connor suspended himself?

Tanner

@tombull89 hahah

Ry Jones

@tombull89 he did

tombull89

welp.

MDMarra

Sup @ewwhite? Still want to talk?

Is anyone here lucky enough to be using Tivoli Identity Management?

cole

18:56

Yes

Wait

No

MDMarra

haha ok

cole

we use Tivoli Directory Integrator

and it sucks

@MDMarra are you staying at the Hyatt for LOPSA East?

MDMarra

No idea, havent booked anything yet

cole

It got officially approved for me last week

MDMarra

nice

cole

19:00

I'm pretty excited, first conference. O_O

MDMarra

Ha, mine too actually and I'll be presenting at it

Ry Jones

@cole is it local for you?

MDMarra

So that's fun

cole

@RyJones semi. It's in NJ.

ewwhite

@MDMarra yes!

cole

19:01

I'll probably be taking the train instead of flying

MDMarra

@ewwhite I'm available!

Nathan C

Bah, unfortunately that's the same weekend i'm flying to Ohio for a wedding

:(

ewwhite

@MDMarra k. It takes takes time for me to operate this rotary-dialed phone...

MDMarra

godspeed

cole

weee Traveler went down

No mobile email!

and it's back. Sweet.

Sigh, Bloatus Notes - stop not..working.

Nathan C

19:08

I'm still trying to figure out this RADIUS thing...

HopelessN00b

@NathanC Don't do it! Ohio's horrible.... save yourself, man!

Nathan C

NPS reports no client activity when I try to authenticate and the wireless connection just fails silently

cole

O_O

MDMarra

@NathanC youve configured your AP(s) or controller(s) as RADIUS clients and configured the shared secret between NPS and your client(s)?

Nathan C

@MDMarra Yes. I'm using UniFi

MDMarra

19:16

Never used it. It was straightforward with Cisco kit when I did it on 2008 R2

Nathan C

It's simple as selecting "WPA-Enterprise", entering the IP and shared secret, done

I had it working on radiusd but it was unstable for some reason

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra It's even straightforward with HP APs, and nothing's straightforward with those things.

Nathan C

Thinking of firing up wireshark to see if the traffic even gets to the server

cole

wtf why cannot now click and drag - ffff Windows.

HopelessN00b

@cole Because Windows is a wholesome, family-friendly OS that does not support deviant sexual behavior such ad cross-dressing.

cole

19:18

Holy hell my external drive is slow

@HopelessN00b I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPRESS MYSELF

HopelessN00b

@cole That's what Macs are for - to express your individuality, just like 3 billion other people.

cole

Just plugging everything into my laptop

Also - that ISO drive (on top of my laptop) is the best thing ever.

HopelessN00b

'snot so much... until you populate all those ports on the dock too, you clearly need more USB devices.

cole

zalman.com/global/product/Product_Read.php?Idx=674

welp brb installing Fedora

because fuck it

HopelessN00b

Could be worse. Could be Ubuntu. ... or knowing where you work, NT 4.0.

Nathan C

19:28

So, wireshark is showing the RADIUS packets...but NPS is ignoring them O.o

HopelessN00b

@NathanC Sounds like NPS doesn't see them as valid RADIUS clients.

Nathan C

huh...I kicked the NPS service off/on and it started working

I guess the tip "have you tried turning it off and on again?" works sometimes lol

Now I have to add the other 8 APs to the client list...

HopelessN00b

@NathanC Now that I think about it, I had to bounce my new NPS server before it would acknowledge traffic from the clients for the first time.

pauska

NPS is something I really, really need to get HA'ed

HopelessN00b

Wouldn't that be nice? My boss is already bitching about me deploying one of everything. :/

cole

19:36

andd Fedora!

HopelessN00b

Just make sure it plays nice with NT 4, ya hear?

cole

I had Fedora 19 on my laptop before I left the first time :P

cole

19:48

god dammit - I don't think my display link adapter works with Fedora

HopelessN00b

@cole All the cool kids use EGA graphics anyhow.

cole

Oh just 856 updates for Fedora 20

HopelessN00b

Enhanced Graphics Adapter

The Enhanced Graphics Adapter (EGA) is an IBM PC computer display standard specification which is between CGA and VGA in terms of color and space resolution. Introduced in September 1984 by IBM shortly after (but not exclusively for) its new PC/AT, EGA produces a display of 16 simultaneous colors from a palette of 64 at a resolution of up to 640×350 pixels. The EGA card includes a 16 kB ROM to extend the system BIOS for additional graphics functions, and includes the Motorola MC6845 video address generator as used in the CGA. Each of the 16 colors can be assigned a unique RGB col...

"EGA produces a display of 16 simultaneous colors from a palette of 64 at a resolution of up to 640×350 pixels"

ewwhite

Hi Ed... I just wanted to send you a link to a shared code editor for today's phone screen. We'll be doing a little coding as part of it. RUBY

HopelessN00b

That like 14 more colors than you need, and literally hundreds of thousands of pixels!

Matthew Ife

19:51

@ewwhite looking forward I hope ;)

ewwhite

@MatthewIfe I don't know Ruby.

Other than... Puppet templates.

Matthew Ife

me neither.

its a 'startup' language

ewwhite

I wasn't expecting a coding test during a phone screen either.

:-X My bad

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite I know that 0 is true and 1 is false, and it live on rails. So if all else fails, just complain that the screen doesn't have enough rails for you to Ruby in.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

begin
    ed does code test
rescue
    hahaha no.
end

ewwhite

19:54

@DennisKaarsemaker Hey, I'm not ashamed.

I've put my time in like all the other Unix dinosaurs...

Ry Jones

@ewwhite but do you have the beard to show for it?

ewwhite

@RyJones just shaved it off.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

in other news, the more I read in the limoncelli book, the more outdated and wrong it feels. It's getting to the point where I want to write an updated version...

Ry Jones

@ewwhite medical reasons, I hope, like needing a good seal for a gas mask or something

MDMarra

@RyJones leave @ewwhite alone. He's trying to learn Ruby in the next 180 seconds

ewwhite

19:58

@RyJones no, the hair is going grey.

Ry Jones

@ewwhite that's when it's most luxe! I am supergluing the grey hairs that fall out back to my face!

ewwhite

@MDMarra I think it's common courtesy to tell people if the interview is going to be a shared-coding session ahead of the interview.

MDMarra

I still think you should tell them that you do 100% of your work in ksh and that if they can't accommodate you, you don't want to work there.

MDMoore313

@ewwhite agreed.

ewwhite

I only work in Objective Caml

Ry Jones

19:59

@MDMarra tell them you expect a MINIX desktop - or maybe Coherent 386 (my first unix)

Coherent (operating system)

__NOTOC__ The Coherent operating system was a Version 7 Unix clone by the now-defunct Mark Williams Company, originally produced for the PDP-11 in 1980. A port was introduced in 1983 as the first Unix-like system for IBM PC compatible computers. Coherent was able to run on most Intel-based PCs with Intel 8088, 286, 386, and 486 processors. Coherent version 3 for Intel-based PCs required at least a 286, Coherent version 4 for Intel-based PCs required at least a 386. Like a true Unix, Coherent was able to multitask and support multiple users. From version 4 on Coherent also had support for...

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker You work in Python often, right?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite I basically live in a python shell.

Ry Jones

Sorry, CTOS was the first *nix I worked on, but Coherent was the first one I ran at home (on a 286 first, natch)

Convergent Technologies Operating System

The Convergent Technologies Operating System, also known variously as CTOS, BTOS and STARSYS, was a modular, message-passing, multiprocess-based operating system. Overview CTOS had many innovative features for its time. System access was controlled with a user password and Volume or disk passwords. If one knew the password, for example, for a volume, one could access any file or directory on that volume (hard disk). Each volume and directory were referenced with delimiters to identify them, and could be followed with a file name, depending on the operation, i.e. {Network Node}[VolumeNam...

MDMarra

"So, what model of DEC Minicomputer will we be using today?"

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker Where would someone like me use Python on a regular basis, between available shell tools and Puppet?

Basil

20:01

hey btw, if anyone reads oreilly books, their ebooks are on sale for 5$ each, checkout code: EP499

Ry Jones

well now I know your password

Basil

@RyJones It's written on your mom's fridge anyways

:P

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite I wrote our asset managament system using python and django, we use func as remote execution framework and I wrote a shell for that. All our deploy tools I wrote are python. Some monitoring utilities are python (gotta love dnspython, paramiko and pcap)

cole

Sweet, got displaylink to work

Ry Jones

@Basil that's nice

Basil

20:03

@RyJones Hey hey, don't rush to conclusions! I was actually trying to imply that she's a leet hacker.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite also, look at my github repo for some of those things. Much of it are sysadmin tools.

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite its got a lot of very good interfaces. Its system level with much less boilerplate.

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker I may have func questions for you.

Basil

@ewwhite I can't rap

Dennis Kaarsemaker

be quick. I'm about to start working on a more scalable replacement (using go instead of python)

MDMarra

20:04

@DennisKaarsemaker he may need you to log into a shared code session and demonstrate your knowledge of ruby in a minute.

Matthew Ife

heheh

Dennis Kaarsemaker

he'd be disappointed. My ruby skills are good enough for puppet templates, not interview-quality :)

also, I fucking hate ruby

HopelessN00b

Urg, fucking VMware. "I know, let make it an ordeal to deploy an ovf template from a datatstore, because no one would want to do that!" >:/

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite python is good to know. Its the glue that holds a lot of redhat together. Useful to know if you're doing lots of redhat.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

oh yes, red hat

I wrote yum plugins

MDMoore313

20:06

@ewwhite in all fairness was ruby listed as a requirement

ewwhite

"what does it mean to execute a process?"

Nathan C

@ewwhite Shoot it.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite That's what happens when a thread proves itself an enemy of the proletariat, and has to be eliminated for the good of society.

Ry Jones

@ewwhite you load the image into RAM, set the IP to the start, and start executing it. Any libraries you're dynamically linked against are loaded at the start, so if any of those fail to load, your process dies

ewwhite

"how does a dns query work?"

HopelessN00b

20:12

@ewwhite The politically correct term is "dns-homosexual-American."

No need to name-call.

MDMarra

That joke betrays your regional pronunciation of query :)

ewwhite

I'm getting schooled

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite depends on the query ;).

HopelessN00b

@MDMarra I think it would betray Ed's pronunciation, since he's the one who said it, actually.

MDMarra

fair

ewwhite

20:18

I'm still on the DNS question.

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite dont forget about recursion.

HopelessN00b

:/

...I'm still having trouble figuring how answering questions about the intricacies of DNS is supposed to be a metric of your SA/SE skills, honestly.

ewwhite

now I'm tracing a packet across the country

I'm live-blogging the intrview

MDMarra

Saw this and thought of @JoelESalas - imgur.com/KyqkY7K

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite show off. If the query is over 512 bytes ( I think ) the dns server sends some of the data and re-signals to try over TCP.

cole

20:24

Mmmm ranch

Also, why does everyone like Yuengling?

84104

@HopelessN00b Depends what you mean by intricacies. A depressing number of people don't understand NS and glue A records.

Matthew Ife

Then, you know go through the motions again (open a socket, it must be tcp, over layer 3 select the best route, if you dont know the neighbour address of the router/dns server if on the same network as whats in resolv.conf perform a neighbour discovery request (how depends on if its ipv4/6)

oh god. I realized why this is taking a while.

HopelessN00b

@84104 More meaning like the level of detail Matthew Ife's going into, which is what I assume is going on.

84104

@HopelessN00b Well, the tcp retry is also important. The general IP and ARP stuff is overkill (or rather you should know about it, but it's a general and not DNS specific thing).

Nathan C

notalwaysright.com/clean-out-of-common-sense/35705

huehuehuehue

Matthew Ife

20:29

Some questions are vague like that to make you go into what you know about the underlying engineering.

Mark Henderson

Fuck yes, 'stralya. Snake eating a goddamn crocodile

Matthew Ife

May not be a matter of simply answering the question.

Mark Henderson

2

Nathan C

@ewwhite DNS? Client: "What's the address for this place?" Server: "Uh, I dunno. Ask this guy." Client: "Yo guy, where's this place?" Server 2: "x.x.x.x"

:P

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra Loooool hahahha

HopelessN00b

20:32

@MatthewIfe Yeah, I get that... still not sure what it has to do with SA/SE-ing. Or, at least, how diving that deep is ever going to be useful.

MDMarra

Ed is currently pair programming in Ruby for a phone screen. Equally funny.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MarkHenderson what the fucking what?

cole

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker @Iain was worried about a 4m salt water crocodile swimming on the beach. Now he doesn't need to worry.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Meh, it's australia. Whatever it is, it will try to kill you.

ewwhite

20:35

now I'm describing a multicast file distribution method to distribute a 4GB file to 10,000 hosts

Nathan C

@ewwhite "very carefully"

Dennis Kaarsemaker

> Various methods suggested to deter drop bear attacks include placing forks in the hair, having Vegemite or toothpaste spread behind the ears or in the armpits, urinating on yourself, and only speaking English in an Australian accent.

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker Don't do the vegemite one. It will make you smell.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite eww multicast. I'd torrent the fucker :)

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Isn't that the point?

Nathan C

20:37

@DennisKaarsemaker And, that's exactly what the torrent protocol is designed for...

Ry Jones

@cole I don't

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@NathanC exactly, those 4GB linux isos I've been torrenting for years :)

cole

@RyJones I don't either. But everyone I've seen talk about it has like a chubby for it.

Ry Jones

@cole I think, on the west coast, it's a forbidden fruit

Dennis Kaarsemaker

we do use bittorent when doing mass-installs of replicants of large datasets

ewwhite

20:38

@DennisKaarsemaker you win.

HopelessN00b

@NathanC I thought Bit Torrent was designed to get you extorted by sleazy lawyers with questionable copyright claims to embarrassing adult films. Did that change lately?

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite oh god. I hope you have fun reinventing a whole load of retransmission, in-order problems and redelivery detection there.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@HopelessN00b the films got more embarassing and the lawyers more sleazy.

@MatthewIfe and in ruby!

Nathan C

and, last one...;P notalwaysright.com/the-worst-example-of-homosapien/35679

@HopelessN00b Yes, it changed from that to a protocol designed so the NSA can track your fetishes

cole

Ok sweet, got VMware Player working and Display Link on my laptop now. Huzzah

MDMarra

20:40

@cole its brewed right outside of philly, so around here people that dont want a bud light but that are still bros order it

cole

@MDMarra I think it tastes like butt.

MDMarra

its the oldest continuously operated brewery in the USA

HopelessN00b

@NathanC Sounds like something I'd do when I get bored and drink too much on a Tuesday night.

84104

@HopelessN00b A little on the non-NSA front: arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/…

ewwhite

@MatthewIfe last question

MDMarra

20:41

I get one occasionally, but not often

cole

I would drink PBR over it.

Fedora 20 is running so much snappier than 19 did on here

MDMoore313

@MarkHenderson Once he eats Java, I'll be impressed.

Joel E Salas

@cole wooooo

Ry Jones

@ewwhite so how did you do?

ewwhite

still on it

cole

20:45

@JoelESalas the Win 7 VM in VMware Player is also running way smoother too.

MDMarra

Doesn't know Ruby. Doesn't like dumb interview questions. 9/10 would hire.

Michael Hampton

amirunningxp.com

Joel E Salas

@cole I use VirtualBox (for Vagrant)

MDMarra

lolololololol

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra Ruby is kind of a must-know nowadays

MDMarra

20:47

@JoelESalas I was reading that Hyper-V has a Vagrant provider now

cole

@JoelESalas Never used Vagrant. Not DevOops

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra That's fucking awesome

now you can actually test windows provisioning stuff without needing 32GB of RAM on your laptop

Mathias R. Jessen

@MDMarra Weihenstephan laughs at your young brewery tradition

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite I think you'd use multicast in your scheme as a signalling protocol only. Some security concerns there too you'd need to resolve.

MDMarra

@MathiasR.Jessen don't take my knowledge of the brewery to be an endorsement of it

Joel E Salas

20:48

Too bad Weihenstephan isn't the best beer really

Mathias R. Jessen

@JoelESalas Certainly not

or... ratebeer.com/Ratings/TopBeersByStyle.asp?StyleID=7

@MDMarra btw, I finally convinced mgmt to send me to TechEd NA :D

ewwhite

Now I'm discussing New Relic.

Ry Jones

@ewwhite you should have a beer to steady your nerves

ewwhite

I gave one good answer... I'm stupid.

MDMarra

@MathiasR.Jessen nice. So you will be in Houston in May?

Ry Jones

20:55

@ewwhite is this that telework link you posted two weeks ago or so?

Mathias R. Jessen

@MDMarra Yeah, Saturday through friday

ewwhite

@RyJones naw... some payment processing company that @JoelESalas made me interview with

Ry Jones

@ewwhite ah OK I blame... the weather, have you seen the snow recently? Hurt your interview

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite New Relic is pretty neat

ewwhite

@JoelESalas i love it

MDMarra

20:57

@MathiasR.Jessen nice. i will arrive sunday

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite So Square didn't like you??

ewwhite

@JoelESalas i'm still on the phone with them

discussing containers versus cgroups

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite you need to know

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