The Comms Room

RobM

15:00

And oh yes, if he won't spring for the management tools to make it easy... that's a paddlin'

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b Dollars to donuts, the boss knew about this for weeks and only just now sprung it on you.

cole

@HopelessN00b Sounds like my work.

pauska

@MathiasR.Jessen what hotel did you get?

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton Yeah, that' what's really pissing me off. I already know why he wants this, and it's something he's known about since last year, yet he springs it on me and gives me 2.5 hours to get it done. >:/

RobM

ok I was wrong. The whole thing is annoying in that case

pauska

15:02

We shall meet, with @MDMarra and @RyanRies, stuff our weak it bodies with lots of bbq and then get shitfaced

HopelessN00b

@RobM Yeah, to both those things. But I guess I'm off to color-code an Excel sheet. And provide descriptive annotations in small words for a couple hundred servers.

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker pricing isn't much better.

RobM

just make sure your annotations are accurate. Because that wouldn't occur to you if it wasn't said.

ewwhite

HopelessN00b

@RobM There's actually about 0 chance of significant accuracy here, but I'm sure that will be held against me at a later date. =D

RobM

15:03

you should be a manager @HopelessN00b you already know how its done!

HopelessN00b

@RobM I get that a lot, actually (people telling me I should be a manager), problem being I think I'd prefer eating a bullet to a career in management.

RobM

@HopelessN00b i know what you mean. But how else are we to get good managers if good people don't want to be managers

HopelessN00b

A valid point, kinda, but the world also needs good politicians, good plumbers, good... well, "good people" in most every vocation, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to fill those roles.

The other point of view is that management, like government, is a necessary evil that ought to be minimized as much as possible, and wouldn't be nearly so necessary if we focused on hiring good people to do the actual work in the first place.

Chris S

@RobM I think the main issue is that people who are competent line workers, and who enjoy that, shouldn't be promoted to management positions. Middle managers seem to come from three places (in order): 1. Line workers who "made it", promoted because they did their last job well. Of course this has nothing to do with management, and they usually suck at it.

Mathias R. Jessen

@pauska www3.hilton.com/en/hotels/texas/hilton-houston-post-oak-IAHWSHH/…

Chris S

15:13

2. People who decided to make a career of middle management... small school MBA, large corp, paper pusher with a high salary and relatively low competence requirements. 3. People who have degrees mixed in both "the work" and "managing the workers" (or other relevant education/training/apprenticeship) - these tend to be lower level management, people who get stuff done, and managers that the line workers actually enjoy working for.

Jenny D

@RobM Being a good sysadmin doesn't require at all the same skills as being a good manager. I've had some really good managers but they've mostly not been people promoted from the tech side of things.

@ChrisS It's the "peter principle" - people will be promoted until they reach their level of incompetence

pauska

@MathiasR.Jessen that's not bad at all.. trust me, you could have gotten a lot lot longer away

Chris S

@JennyD Yeah, but it's more than that... It's a weird idea that if you're good at X you should be good at Y - when X and Y have nothing/little to do with eachother.

pauska

maybe you're lucky and there's a tram line nearby

Mathias R. Jessen

@JennyD Same here, but I've also seen some brilliant techs being promoted and how it destroyed them :\

HopelessN00b

15:15

@ChrisS This is very true. In my opinion, and experience, Types 1 and 2 are the most common, and also the types that, honestly, could vanish from existence tomorrow, and not only not be missed, but make the world a better place for their absence.

Mathias R. Jessen

@pauska Yeah, I'm not too worried, just happy to be going at all :D

pauska

@MathiasR.Jessen First time? Bet you're excited :) going alone?

RobM

@chriss @jennyd quite so. But just like being good at X doesn't mean you're also going to be good at Y, being good at X doesn't exclude you from also being good at Y.

Jenny D

@RobM Which is why I said "mostly". Most people are good with either languages or maths, but there are some who are good at both.

Chris S

@RobM Granted - But understanding that one sentence is exactly what's missing from the people doing promotions - or so it seems.

RobM

15:16

But yeah you shouldn't promote people out of their comfort zone. Even though I've been thinking about IT management myself, I see myself as a team leader level person, rather than someone who's going to sit in meetings all day talking about strategic fit.

Mathias R. Jessen

@pauska Excited as a kid on xmas eve :D Two of my colleagues (TE alumni) are going as well

pauska

@MathiasR.Jessen great, then you get to sit on the outside while we aluminis are at the alumini cafe, eating fresh donuts and lattes

Mathias R. Jessen

@pauska :(

pauska

but honestly, good choice of going to NA instead of europe

everyone I've talked to whos been at teched europe says it sucks compared to NA

verrrrrrrrry many mr indian surkesh speakers

Mathias R. Jessen

lol

cole

15:18

Hooray

Mathias R. Jessen

Yeah, my manager tried to stop me from nagging him about it with a ticket to EU, I asked him if he would like my resignation in exchange

pauska

no racism intended, but it's ten times easier to listen to english native speakers for 10 hours/4days

cole

I am definitely going to LOPSA East

pauska

Just don't do the ultimate noob thing at tech ed

use the backpack and have a comfy pair of clothes in them

it gets freezing in some of the rooms, while its baking hot on the outside.. you'll catch a cold in no time if all you have are shorts and tshirt

Mathias R. Jessen

@pauska Thanks for the heads up - really looking forward, I don't really know what to expect though :P

@cole Make sure you bring a lot a stupid questions for this talk: lopsa-east.org/2014/lopsa-east-14-training-schedule/#sa2

cole

15:23

@MathiasR.Jessen I'm going to ask why NT4.0 is not a supported configuration, and .LOCAL4LYFE

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Mathias R. Jessen

@cole Hahaha, great, ask if he would recommend PowerDNS on AIX for AD DNS as well

cole

@MathiasR.Jessen "Please explain why 1300 Samba RODCs isn't a good idea"

God dammit IBM Connections, you make me want to stab myself in the dick.

HopelessN00b

Oh, damn. LOPSA East is in New Jersey? Gah. New Jersey is the worst place I've had the misfortune of passing through.

Mathias R. Jessen

@cole "I don't trust anyone younger than 21 so I removed the Parent/Child trusts in my multi-domain forest - why can't I log in?"

cole

@MathiasR.Jessen Legit LOL oh god.

@HopelessN00b ya, it's America's taint.

HopelessN00b

15:28

Why would anyone deliberately go to New Jersey, as an actual destination?

2

cole

@HopelessN00b because they hate themselves

I'm just surprised my director said I could go

LOPSA East should be in Boston.

Scott Pack

@HopelessN00b That's a good question. Did you know that crossing the Ben Franklin into Camden is free, but it costs $5 to come back into Philly?

HopelessN00b

@cole Must be a lot of self-loathing folks in LOPSA East.

cole

But I think it's in NJ to be a "central location"

my boss said I can take the train or fly.

HopelessN00b

@cole New York?

cole

15:29

Fuck New York

HopelessN00b

More central, much better.

cole

Fuck it right in it's dirty asshole.

I hate NY

HopelessN00b

@cole Well, preferable to New Jersey, at the very least.

cole

I'd take NJ over NY

pauska

I like NY..

never been to the shady parts though

I'm told that new yorkers are very similar to us norwegians.. that's probably why so many of us have been there

we're uptight and cold as hell :(

cole

15:31

@pauska sounds like Boston.

We're dicks here.

Scott Pack

I wouldn't call Bostonians dicks so much as abrasive with no social skills.

cole

Good thing I'm a Rhode Islander...oh wait, that's way worse.

Scott Pack

They'll call you a saggy dicked dog fucker while buying you a beer.

cole

I think RI has taken the place of NJ's shittiness.

How the fuck did I lock my account out?

Mathias R. Jessen

@cole Conficker.D

cole

15:33

More like Confinger.

Because clearly I can't type.

Scott Pack

@cole That's not until LOPSA East.

cole

What the shit dick is going on

HopelessN00b

@ScottPack I did actually... having driven out there. Makes sense. I can't imagine anyone making money off charging people to get in to Jersey, but I'm sure there's a killing to be made off people wanting to get the fuck out of NJ.

Scott Pack

@HopelessN00b No kidding.

@HopelessN00b And considering how easy it is to accidentally end up on that bridge? "Oh fuck I'm in Jersey. TAKE ALL MY MONEY!!"

HopelessN00b

@pauska As do I. I spend all my time in Manhattan when I go, because... well, I couldn't think of a good reason to visit the other Burroughs.

pauska

15:35

@HopelessN00b brooklyn seems ok aswell.. was a short trip there

but I don't know anyone in NY, so I'm tourist deluxe.. clubbing in manhattan etc

HopelessN00b

@pauska Yeah, that's how I've done NY. Not the clubbing, I guess, but the tourist-deluxe bit.

Nathan C

@cole this is why multiple logins is always a good thing :)

Security-wise meh

cole

@NathanC Dude, we run NT4.0 still. Clearly security isn't an issue.

Scott Pack

@NathanC Except when it comes to attribution and access restrictions.

Nathan C

@ScottPack Fair enough. I occasionally use our "Administrator" account for things when my normal user doesn't have the rights (or I don't want my personal password going someplace)

Mathias R. Jessen

15:42

@ScottPack Not neceessarily a problem if you have multiple personal accounts

Scott Pack

@NathanC Ew.

cole

It was just me fat fingering logging into View.

Nathan C

For security's sake I should be using my workstation with a non-domain admin account, but that's a PITA when I'm using the admin tools regularly

Scott Pack

@MathiasR.Jessen What I mean is, consider the event of employee separation. Without centralized authentication that's a fucking nightmare.

Nathan C

Dell, why you make no sense?

cole

15:44

Well

That's nice.

Nathan C

Current Power Consumption 2234 mW

I feel like this switch's power usage is a bit off

pauska

@NathanC internet explorer and compatability mode...

Nathan C

@pauska Using Chrome

:P

pauska

@NathanC forget it..

the only network product we have that supports anything other than IE is our aruba wireless controller where they regulary update

everything else is in IE with compat mode to IE8 :(

Nathan C

oh

The interface actually works fine...first time I've gotten that message

cole

15:49

@pauska which is exactly why I'm logged into VMware View right now since I'm running Win 8.1

HopelessN00b

@NathanC My solution to that is to just never log off or reboot. Run tools as admin, have them open for months at a time. Yippie, security... or something.

TheCleaner

Maybe I'm really high, but isn't your Current Environment and Wanted Behavior the exact same? — TheCleaner 15 secs ago

Ryan Ries

HP Proliant software, why are you so shitty

pauska

@cole You know that compat mode is back?

HopelessN00b

@RyanRies I always assumed it was so that I'd prefer Dell servers. Not the case?

pauska

15:56

they smuggled it in again with some update

@HopelessN00b I'm really impressed with the latest Dell servers

cole

@pauska I never use IE - so no I didn't

pauska

their lifecycle/drac setup with hundreds of monitors and email alerting is so fucking nice.. no more host agents

Ryan Ries

The best server is the one that runs with the least vendor bloat, imo

pauska

@cole hit f12 and scroll down to the last button :)

any SIP guru here?

cole

@pauska aw yiss

Makes doing expense reports easier

HopelessN00b

15:58

@pauska Yup, it's awesome. Although, I just learned that it's not a total replacement to OpenManage. Gotta update hard drive firmware on one of our ESXi hosts, only way to do it without a reboot is to install OpenManage. D'oh!

cole

thanks

Ryan Ries

I'm really looking forward to TechEd.

TheCleaner

@HopelessN00b - what am I missing on that question? Am I really high? :)

Ryan Ries

And also the big fat bonus on my paycheck tomorrow.

TheCleaner

I always enjoyed Interop more...but TechEd is still a fun trip.

HopelessN00b

16:00

@TheCleaner Slight difference in the second line.

Jenny D

@TheCleaner hands @TheCleaner a pair of better glasses

TheCleaner

WHAT?!? OK, I'll look again.

HopelessN00b

\SERVER1\Share2 | \\SERVER***1***\Share2 vs \\SERVER1\Share2 | \\SERVER***2***\Share2

emphasis added.

TheCleaner

@JennyD OK, you can delete your comment...apparently the better glasses worked. (takes off google glasses)

HopelessN00b

Dumbass question. I think I lost 10 IQ points just reading it... and another 10 trying to parse it.

Jenny D

16:02

@TheCleaner :-)

Home time. waves

TheCleaner

later

Some of you might like this one:
https://qlm.infusionsoft.com/app/page/office365_exchangecon_2014
"Registration is now open for Office 365 Exchange CON 2014, an annual gathering of IT Strategists, Domain Experts and Microsoft MVPs, presenting the latest technologies, challenges and solutions facing the MS Exchange community of professionals. The virtual live event takes place on Thursday, March 6, 2014, starting at 11am ET / 10am CT / 8am PT. Participation is limited to the first 1000 attendees, so register today! "

cole

I need to like

Make a marquee with the people on call because the help desk keeps calling me.

pauska

@HopelessN00b openmanage is stupid

it requires a fuckton of deps

IIS, sql server, blah

cole

It's a PITA

pauska

fuck if I'm going to install that on our hyperv boxes

Dan

16:18

I've spent the last hour e-stalking a company and I'm having so much fun

Ry Jones

@Dan spill! spill!

Dan

@RyJones Can't really, but I mentioned it yesterday. Started as a bit of due dilligence on $AmazingProduct they claimed to have invented

Ry Jones

oh OK

Dan

Turns out the company is ran by two people who can only be described as pathological liars.

To the degree that I found an instance of them trading under a company name that simply didn't exist. That would be a criminal offence

TheCleaner

@Dan That could be any number of tech startups.

Dan

16:21

@TheCleaner Well, yes - but I don't know or care about them ;)

HopelessN00b

@pauska Yeah, agreed. Just pointing out that it's not completely replaced by iDRAC and Lifecycle Manager, if for no other reason than Western Digital shipped buggy firmware on the drives one of our servers came with. >:/

pauska

@HopelessN00b Can't you just pop in SUU and do it there?

the bootable SUU runs a ton of disk firmware upgrades

HopelessN00b

@pauska I was told I couldn't, which was good enough for me. Remote site, and the people in charge out there are real pieces of shit, so I'm not about to bend over backwards for them. Or even search on Google to make their lives easier.

MikeyB

@voretaq7 fucking Ubuntu:
michael@challenger:~
○ → df -P .
Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on
data/home 145160960 89200768 55960192 62% /home

michael@challenger:~
○ → POSIXLY_CORRECT=1 df -P .
Filesystem 512-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on
data/home 290321920 178401536 111920384 62% /home

cuz you know, the first time I asked for POSIX output I didn't REALLY mean it

voretaq7

@MikeyB FUCKING LINUX

ewwhite

16:31

so what does it mean when you have to keep asking posters why they want to do X with their system?

HopelessN00b

@MikeyB Ubuntu: Standards are made to be ignored.™

ewwhite

@tuxkowo can you provide more context about what you're doing and why it's important to show disk sizes in more granular units? — ewwhite 8 mins ago

MikeyB

@HopelessN00b As it turns out debian does it as well.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite It means we're having a rash of incredibly bad ideas posted as questions.

cole

Great

ewwhite

16:33

@HopelessN00b you may be right... or maybe people aren't explaining themselves well.

MikeyB

@ewwhite GB vs GiB

cole

CO office is saying when they copy a 2MB file to their web server here over the MPLS it corrupts via UNC path - but works over the VPN and via RDP

ewwhite

@MikeyB it's not that issue.. HP makes that quite clear

MikeyB

@ewwhite A 200GB LD is 200 * 1000**3?

voretaq7

@ewwhite the same person, or different people?

ewwhite

16:35

@MikeyB it's the Gigabyte value

You specify it

@voretaq7 different folks

voretaq7

@ewwhite then what @HopelessN00b said.

also why are people asking us how to manage their IT department's staffing situation? We have a goddamn workplace site

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ewwhite

@ewwhite: I need it to store sizes in DB, I already have sizes stored. — Tuxkowo 1 min ago

@MikeyB Is that clearer?

MikeyB

@ewwhite … wow.

TheCleaner

Whoa...adding a new line in an Excel cell is ALT-ENTER not SHIFT-ENTER!

Dan

16:51

@RyJones I've just found their wedding photos. Hint - if you're going to password protect a wordpress site, at least make sure the directory tree isn't browsable

ewwhite

@TheCleaner But in markdown, it's Ctrl-Shift-Enter.

This
works.

Ry Jones

@Dan well aren't you a little NSA!

Dan

@RyJones To be honest, I'm having a lot of fun

Ry Jones

funny how often people make that error (browsable directories)

ewwhite

@MikeyB see, asking more helped the guy come up with a solution

Dan

16:52

@RyJones It's great when you view the source and see those wonderful words: wp-content

Ry Jones

heh

TheCleaner

@ewwhite I spent almost 10 minutes trying to decide if I cared to google the Excel answer or not. I finally did...and decided that ALT-ENTER is dumb...but I'll use it.

MikeyB

@ewwhite in… markdown?

ewwhite

Well, if
I
Needed
to
enter multiple lines...

MDMoore313

@voretaq7 it seems I can't catch a break. Got the question reopened only to have it marked as a duplicate to a question that was asked after mine, when mine has a broader scope.

5

Q: When should an org invest in a private infrastructure as opposed to a partially or fully hosted solution?

Not referring to militaries or governments, but for other organizations or shops that needs an IT infrastructure (who doesn't nowadays). Similar to this question, but purely in regard to hardware and/or services, such as servers, storage, email services, etc. I don't imagine it's cut and dry for...

MikeyB

16:56

Oh, in your *browser*.
Chrome is Shift-Enter.
/penisslap

ewwhite

@MikeyB it's soooo big!

3

it left a mark :(

voretaq7

@MDMoore313 see my comment :-) I don't think we can really give you a better answer than the one you got already ("It Depends") -- though if you want to ask the narrower question of "When does it make sense to move out of my colo?" that's an interesting (and pretty deep) topic :)

or am I not understanding what you're trying to ask?

MDMoore313

@voretaq7 Well, maybe my question is a bit too broad. I'm having trouble thinking about how to narrow it down though.

voretaq7

@MDMoore313 You can definitely split it into a few different questions - I kinda get what you're trying to ask (I think), but there's no way to really generically answer it because like MDMarra said "there's no 'typical' or 'average' organization"

e.g. I really can't "justify" the infrastructure this company has from a workload basis- we'd save about $800/mo if we moved to the cloud - but we deal with medical data and some unique intellectual property that we don't trust in someone else's hands :)

HopelessN00b

That actually is an interesting (if largely unanswerable) question about who should manage the dev servers.

Everywhere I've seen it done, either IT fucks it up because they don't know about dev, or dev fucks it up because they don't know shit about managing a server.

MDMoore313

17:03

@voretaq7 @voretaq7 I get that, but I was thinking more abstractly, not so much from an org standpoint as from an I.T. standpoint. From an I.T perspective it wouldn't matter so much the specific org as it would the services i.t. has to provide, vs manpower, vs budget, vs skillset, etc

voretaq7

@MDMoore313 but it does matter what the org is because the org sets the core business constraints. If this were a basket-weaving company we'd be using Google for email and docs and stuff, but we're a medical company and we've got compliance requirements, hence we have an in-house infrastructure that can be audited :-)

ewwhite

exactly

voretaq7

otherwise the only consideration is "What's cheaper?"

(which is really all business cares about :-)

MDMoore313

@HopelessN00b What do you mean by dev servers? Where a production app sits, a git server, etc...?

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Not necessarily. Because sometime GoDaddy is cheaper. Business also cares that the shit works.

voretaq7

17:06

@HopelessN00b GoDaddy works for a huge swath of use cases

HopelessN00b

0

Q: Who typically administers the continuous integration server?

I administer my company's continuous integration server and build farm. I support around 50 other developers in addition to performing my main duties as a software developer. Software development takes priority, and lately I've had difficulty finding time to support or enhance the server. I imag...

support continuous-integration

MDMoore313

@voretaq7 you can say that, however Office365 touts HIPAA compliance microsoft.com/health/ww/products/pages/…

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 I hear hackers prefer GoDaddy to steal valuable twitter accounts and domains, for example. :p

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b they should be managed by operations, same as any other server. Devs are fucking users.

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MDMoore313

Not sure if you were referring to hipaa when you said compliance requirements, that's what we comply with

voretaq7

17:07

@MDMoore313 that's nice. My auditor will be on the Microsoft campus on Tuesday.

Ry Jones

@voretaq7 agreed

voretaq7

@MDMoore313 it's not just HIPAA but that's our big (US) requirement as well. There's also 21CFR11 and ISO 13485 integrity requirements for electronic signatures/transactions...

MDMoore313

@voretaq7 What I mean is that some barriers that used to be barriers (partial or fully hosted services) may no longer be barriers for some orgs. Given that some hosted provider satisfied those compliance requirements, then what would you factor in?

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b yes, that's a very highly publicized high-profile case of social engineering. Now consider the hundreds of thousands of domain names and SSL certs GoDaddy issues and manages on a regular basis, and we're talking less than 1/100th of one percent failure rate. (Granted (a) GoDaddy are a bunch of scumbags, and (b) that should NEVER have happened if their phone chimps were trained properly, but that's a pretty good failure rate...)

@MDMoore313 If you're implicitly trusting a third party's assurances of compliance the only factor left is cost

ewwhite

And support.

HopelessN00b

17:11

@voretaq7 Except for those couple of times someone accidentally unplugged or tripped over a core router and took DNS offline for all their customers, you mean?

voretaq7

Years of being on the inside of hosting has taught me that you never trust a third party's guarantee of anything (unless they guarantee you they'll fuck up -- that you can trust 100% over the long run :-)

ewwhite

Exactly... a 3rd-party hosting firm cares less about your data and systems than you do!

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 'swhat SLAs are for. Say whatever you want, as long as it's backed up with monies.

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b that's also happened to NetSol, and fucking Verisign broke root servers more than once, so if you're saying that the folks responsible for the underpinnings of DNS are completely fucking incompetent I'll agree :-)

@HopelessN00b the SLAs these days are limited to "You get back what you paid us"

ewwhite

Did I ever tell you all about the horrible month where my last firm gave $1 million in credits to customers?

voretaq7

17:13

outside of transit and peering agreements I rarely see a SLA that's got any meaningful penalty clauses

ewwhite

wait no... it was half that.

but still.

voretaq7

@ewwhite did your penalty credits exceed your income?

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Yeah, pretty much. NetworkSolutions are the same level as GoDaddy (just with less ads of big-breasted bimbos), and Verisign's not much better than either.

ewwhite

@voretaq7 no... it was basically half of the $1 million in income

SAN failure

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b GoDaddy are misogynistic idiots. Verisign are thugs who basically charge the internet "protection money". NetSol still think they have a monopoly and treat their customers like shit.

@ewwhite I don't call that a meaningful penalty then :-)

HopelessN00b

17:15

@voretaq7 Yeah, though I've worked places with punitive SLAs in place. Highly motivating, though not surprising that most places don't offer them. You gotta reall know your shit, and be good at what you do - well beyond the capabilities of the vast majority of people/businesses/organizations.

voretaq7

IMHO your SLA clawbacks should be 2x what you're paying the provider or they're meaningless -- if the provider is just making a zero-sum off you (or still making revenue) it's crap.

ewwhite

@voretaq7 it was the day I decided I needed to leave

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Thugs charging protection money for non-services is pretty standard fare these days - see: government - so I rate Verisign as slightly better (marginally less worse?) than GD or NS.

MDMoore313

@voretaq7 you don't think there are other things to consider besides cost?

Some things money can't buy :-)

HopelessN00b

@MDMoore313 Yeah, some things money can't buy.... but I've never been in love with a business, so I don't know if that counts.

voretaq7

17:18

@MDMoore313 ...for everything else you get points on the corporate Amex :-)

ewwhite

does anyone here have vSphere 5.5 running right now?

voretaq7

Really it's a cost decision (all other business requirements being met, of course -- You're not going to choose Joe's Crappy Cloud on a Dell Optiplex in Joe's attic over Google Docs just because Joe only charges you $1 a year :)

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 .... we would. :(

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b well you're stupid

Nathan C

@ewwhite I do

HopelessN00b

17:22

@voretaq7 There's an argument to be made saying we're not... though I've said so much worse that I feel dirty defending our BS practices (and general suck).

ewwhite

@NathanC Does the mouse work in the web console?

Nathan C

@ewwhite Yes, no issues for me

ewwhite

@NathanC Do you do any Linux?

Nathan C

@ewwhite Not really...only two VMs. I don't heavily work with Linux.

MDMoore313

@voretaq7 Yeah, though IT shouldn't be primarily driven by cost in their decisions, there should be some technical forethought in there somewhere, and that's what I'm trying to gather into one place. The 'business' has business requirements, but IT has 'IT requirements' as well.

@voretaq7 Crude example: $business wants IT's input between two potential applications for $production, both with the exact same features. IT takes a look and sees that the one that costs more also has complete unattended installation, whereas the cheaper one has it but it's 'not supported'. I would cast my vote for the more pricier one, part of my argument being that we save money (time == money) on installation, maintenance, and configuration of this app vs the latter.

ewwhite

17:27

@MDMoore313 Is this a hypothetical?

kce

What's up my nerds?

cole

@kce sup

Nathan C

@MDMoore313 That's similar to our situation...our front-end sales software cost a cool million and 2 years of production time and it still doesn't work right all the time

because there was no input from IT who had to support the damn thing

kce

@cole - How's the job? Still loving NT 4.0?

cole

@kce loving it right out of the company my friend

kce

17:30

@cole - Sweeeet. Retired already huh?

cole

3 servers left in the main NT4 domain - and just one more small one left after that in the UK

Mike

@ewwhite I have 5.5 up and running. Web console works for everything I have tried. @jscott handles our Linux installs though. He might be able to tell you if it works OK for him

ewwhite

@Mike Looks like graphical installs don't work in Linux without vmware tools

cole

This was my best decision of the day

Mike

@ewwhite We do put VMWare tools on every install, so not sure we tested it without having them installed

@ewwhite do yo have any experience with 3par? Going to a new job with a 3par san in the box still. Any thoughts?

ewwhite

17:34

@Mike Chopper is your man

pauska

@cole pasta and white bread? sure about that?

cole

@pauska better than McDonalds

Wesley

OHAIGUIZ

It's official, I just sent my formal termination of services letter to that bad client.

Scott Pack

@cole I had a smoked turkey sandwich and cheddar broccoli soup from there yesterday.

cole

sup @Wesley

pauska

17:35

@Wesley your cloud memes made quite the laugh at the office yesterday.. kudos

cole

@ScottPack mmmm

Wesley

@pauska bows

Scott Pack

@cole The soup was pretty meh, but the sammy was yummo.

cole

@ScottPack I love using the word "yummo"

Mike

@ScottPack Cheddar Broccoli isth best from there

pauska

17:36

we're going to order some wall prints with sound dampening, and I propsed the "double dare" one as one of the pics :)

Scott Pack

@Mike It was ok. Not bad but just kind of mediocre.

jscott

@ewwhite Which flavor? CentOS? The last graphical install I did was Ubunootoos Desktop. Don't recall having mouse issues during install (before VM tools) was installed.

Nathan C

@pauska I missed all those :(

pauska

@NathanC the cloud rants?

Nathan C

yeah lol

MDMoore313

17:39

@ewwhite Yeah, when do $orgs ask for IT input on a technical purchase :-)

pauska

thenubbyadmin.com/2014/01/24/… + thenubbyadmin.com/2014/02/14/…

I'd actually prefer the dr evil one, but resolution is lowz and I suck in photoshop

MDMoore313

@NathanC My point exactly, I knew this wasn't uncommon

@NathanC I'd be happy to write your org a new one for a lot less than that

Nathan C

Been a busy few days at the office getting everything IT-related ready for our factory ...had to re-terminate a couple dozen keystone jacks because the guy who did it apparently couldn't follow the color coding..

Wesley

@NathanC Colorblind?

Nathan C

@Wesley I dunno...they were all done the exact same way, but wrong

MDMoore313

17:46

@pauska 31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m877su3iHD1r8n7qlo1_500.gif

Michael Hampton

@cole That explains why you haven't learned anything about vim.

cole

@MichaelHampton I know vim well enough for as much as I'm in it

the solaris book under the other monitor doesn't explain why I haven't learned anything about Solaris

Solaris just sucks dick.

voretaq7

@cole Solaris was awesome

cole

was

We're still at and staying at Solaris 10

even during the refresh this year

voretaq7

@MDMoore313 But in that case "unattended installation" is a business requirement (because hiring more IT guys to manually install crap is expensive) :-)

jscott

17:52

@ewwhite Confirmed Ubuntu Desktop 12.10 ISO boots into graphical install and mouse functions normally. No VMware Tools installed. ESXi 5.5, vSphere 5.5.0 Build 1369380, Win 7, Chrome 33.0.1750.117 m, Flash 12,0,0,70. Looking for a CentOS iso now.

MDMarra

@pauska My (kinda) boss is already booking us for various vendor after parties, bu worry not - I can always make time to get beer and bbq

cole

I had the option to probably go to TechEd - but then remembered we don't use (and wont) 75% of the shit there

pauska

@MDMarra sure, two of us are coming from the other side of the planet and you're going to busy going at "fun" vendor parties

:)

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