The Comms Room

HopelessN00b

21:00

I Googled "bang account" and got nothing but adult "dating" sites. Certainly nothing to indicate it's a common term as it pertains to Windows user accounts. — HopelessN00b 7 secs ago

TheCleaner

my google-fu is better again!

Mark Henderson

-1

Q: Conficker Virus Infection: Where did it start?

I have a network-wide Conficker infestation, and we have been working on starting virus scans on all our servers and workstations. It is being erased one by one, but I was wondering if there is a good way to find out which computer it initially started out on. Also any ideas on how to get rid o...

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner Well, the comment isn't actually accurate. I did get amusing ads for bank accounts, and one link to an article on a Facebook app titled "Bang with friends," but the second link is actually on topic.

Mark Henderson

How the hell do you get conficker?

Have you not applied a single update or patch since 2008?

ewwhite

Sorry my post should have read: "I dont want to use split tunnel" - I want all my traffic to go through the VPN and out — Paul 22 secs ago

Shane Madden

21:05

@ewwhite I don't wanna do stuff manually though!

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden I think hypervisors in VMware-land require attention

if you're deploying so many that you need scripting, then you probably can PXE/AutoDeploy/leverage host profiles

Shane Madden

I've got 50ish at the moment and I'd like to set up autodeploy one of these years.

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden 50 hosts... hmm, that's more than expected.

HopelessN00b

If you read the Wikipedia article you linked, you'd know where Conflicker started. It started in the Ukraine. --> Working group members stated at the 2009 Black Hat Briefings that Ukraine is the probable origin of the virus — HopelessN00b 19 secs ago

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Bad density though, about 500 VMs - some of the clusters in little sites are 2 hosts with 2 vms for managing the facility

HopelessN00b

21:09

(I couldn't resist.)

Shane Madden

@HopelessN00b Can't not upvote.

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden hmmph

Mark Henderson

@HopelessN00b Yes but how did he get conficker today?

TheCleaner

@HopelessN00b upvoted!

Mark Henderson

Oh wait

You're being a dick

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Ok ;)

HopelessN00b

21:11

@MarkHenderson That wasn't his question. His question was where it started. :)

Mark Henderson

I'd still like to know how he got conficker today

That wikipedia article tells me it self destructed in 2009

TheCleaner

@MarkHenderson your logical comment in that question has no place here!

Mark Henderson

> Removes self on 3 May 2009 (but leaves remaining copy of Conficker D)[42]

HopelessN00b

@MarkHenderson Gotta be an infected USB key, no?

Shane Madden

@MarkHenderson Clocks set back?

Mark Henderson

21:13

@HopelessN00b Yeah it could have been

One that sat in a drawer for 5 years

Somone plugs it in to see what's on it

HopelessN00b

My thinking... you sure don't get it from the internet these days.

Shane Madden

Plugs it into their windows 2000 workstation that hasn't been patched in a decade?

TheCleaner

Download the virus from a security test site and now try to pretend it wasn't IT that infected everyone?

HopelessN00b

@ShaneMadden Newer variants affcted unpatched Vista and 7 boxes (and, I presume, Server 2008 and R2 accordingly).

Shane Madden

It kinda takes some effort to not patch any windows system though.

Wesley

21:22

@ScottPack I've never heard of beards thinning as you age. I thought it was the other way around.

Oops, pinged @RyJones by accident. <_<

Ry Jones

@Wesley context?

Dan

You guys are going to love this story

Wesley

@RyJones Sorry, Scott suggested that I get a beard transplant: dnainfo.com/new-york/20140225/williamsburg/… Somehow I got a number for a chat line from you by accident. Derp.

Iain

serverfault.com/questions/569291/… can that be punted to askubuntu please

Wesley

I'm still mad at genetics. My dad had a massive red beard with high cheek line and amazing coverage. I have... a goatee.

Scott Pack

21:24

@Wesley Right, but I never said that beard thin. Just that you can now get a transplant.

Ry Jones

kill him, cut off his face, sew it on yours

Scott Pack

"goatee"

Wesley

@ScottPack Right but in that article a guy mentions that at 39 he realized his beard had thinned.

@RyJones Well there's always that.

Scott Pack

@Wesley Whatever. I didn't read that far.

freiheit

@Wesley So, shave the other bits so that the goatee looks like it's totally on purpose, and wait for puberty to finish up...

Wesley

21:25

@freiheit If only my face had the same hair coverage that my legs do. And my chest. And arms. And back.

Dan

My friend is doing some consultancy work for a $RichPerson and they've asked him to do (on the side, as a favour) a quick bit of due diligence on a piece of software that another IT Company are trying to sell them. Here's what we found

1) It's simply a rebadged whitebox app
2) EVERYTHING they have ever done is simply a rebadged whitebox app
3) Other than that, EVERY SINGLE picture on their Facebook page and their Website is stolen. That includes examples of design, pictures of their server room and even a whole portfolio of them building their "network operations centre"

Scott Pack

Yes @Wesley, do what @freiheit tells you. Shave all your fiddly bits and wait for puberty.

Wesley

@Dan Nice. What's the whitelabeled software?

Dan

@Wesley Don't have it to hand, but it's basically some shitty voip softphone stuff that's multiplatform and can work with your average Asterix box or your SIP server of choice

Wesley

@Dan So now I'm curious what $RichPerson will do. Just go to the source?

Dan

21:28

@Wesley I think there's a lot more than this - I think the company have been trying to "partner" with them and have talked a whole load of shit

HopelessN00b

@Dan Sounds easier than working for a living. And that is a way of stealing without much risk of actually going to jail.

Dan

@HopelessN00b Well, that's the other amusing thing - they don't seem to have a single customer. Any review we found was clearly fake or linked to "business exchange" type programs. Which makes me think they make their living ripping off business people with promises of being the next big thing

I'm not even convinced there's a single server out there that belongs to them, to be honest

Wesley

@Dan How does one even find these shams? I find that it's harder to find something that that completely fake than it is to find a legit business to work with.

Dan

Oh, my favourite bit - they posted a photo of their new server being set up. Except it was of a guy configuring a switch, complete with blue rollover cable

@Wesley Fuck knows

Wesley

Like a friend was asking about some VOIP software, PBX-whatever stuff the other day. They showed me a link to some one-page, fifteen page long, sales-pitch blinky text "OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY" horse-doo-doo website. I'm sitting there in disbelief. How can you search the most basic keywords and completely blow past Elastix, Trixbox, FreePBX, or even CudaTel?

Dan

21:32

@Wesley Exactly - I smelt it a mile off from their home page. No local numbers, no names, no address - very flash but no actual real feel of "being alive"

Wesley

"Dear Google, find me scammy shit from Korea. North Korea. I want it to be in a non native currency to my current location and I need lots of <blink>" clicks "I'm feeling lucky"

Dan

Oh, then I checked the source and it was a WHMCS templte

Wesley

@Dan #winning

TheCleaner

@Wesley or Digium

Dan

@Wesley It's hilarious - my sincere hope is that the company my friend is working with will completely rip them a new one and then leave me free to post the link here and generally harass them until they disappear

Wesley

21:33

@Dan Yay.

Dan

I want to go through all their Facebook posts saying "Funny, that looks just like this photo" etc

Wesley

@TheCleaner Part of me would like to specialize in VOIP.

freiheit

@Wesley By clicking the link in the spam?

ewwhite

#Nexenta announces NexentaStor 4.0 Next Generation Software Defined Storage Solution http://bit.ly/ODEDDE @Nexenta #SoftwareDefinedStorage

Tweeted by pogolinux on February 26, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Wesley

I think Stinky Pete worked on some Elastix stuff?

Where's @PeterGrace when you don't need him?

@ewwhite Oh sure they ignored us when we whined at them about it.

TheCleaner

21:35

@Wesley I think VOIP admins would like to specialize in VOIP.

Dan

Who do you phone when you break a VoIP install?

TheCleaner

"We're getting echo on our VOIP traffic" == rip and replace!!

Dan

@TheCleaner Mmmm, yeah - it might be the type of cable we're using.

TheCleaner

@Dan ? sorry I thought we were ranting...are you having actual VOIP issues?

Dan

@TheCleaner I was and just then I was taking the piss ;)

freiheit

21:38

@Dan A wonderful combination of VOIP provider, VOIP telco, local telco and/or ISP, depending on all sorts of shit.

Dan

@freiheit But how, if your phone doesn't work :( (I'll get my coat)

freiheit

For instance, in our local VOIP transition project, sometimes calls to a VOIP phone would work from another VOIP phone, or from out of the area, but not from an in-area land-line.

TheCleaner

Typically like @freiheit says, but usually along the lines of "it doesn't appear to be us, our equipment is configured correctly, check with [insert other 3rd party involved]"

freiheit

@Dan Cell phone

Dan

@freiheit FU

I was just being silly, I'm sorry

Note to self: No British humour when the Americans are running the show

;)

freiheit

21:40

@Dan I am so deeply offended at your outrageous language that I'm chuckling in horror.

voretaq7

@Dan BRB, making fun of Her Imperial Britannic Majesty :)

freiheit

@Dan Oh, also, at least one of those parties won't even take your calls and requires one of the other parties to submit a ticket on your behalf.

TheCleaner

I think I just made work for @voretaq7

Dan

@voretaq7 How very bloody dare you

@freiheit Ah, isn't IT efficient?

voretaq7

(Seriously, calling the queen that only works if she's (a) fat as a cow, or (b) wearing one of those ginormous Victorian skirts with hoops and petticoats and such.)

freiheit

21:43

@Dan IT seems to be amazing when compared to telephone shit.

Dan

@freiheit How's the modship, by the way?

voretaq7

@Dan SINKING! MAN THE PUMPS!

freiheit

@Dan On a busy day, I have to deal with twos of flags on bicycles.se...

Dan

@freiheit Jeez, the stress!

freiheit

That's why we're having a mod election next week

TheCleaner

21:45

Dan

@voretaq7 Silly person.

TheCleaner

what an extreme day!

Dan

EXTREME

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HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner Well, "extreme" is an inherently relative term. And relatively speaking, that's extreme for these parts, lately.

Dan

Right, ladies - it's brew and soon-to-be bed time

Later.

HopelessN00b

21:48

Enjoy!

TheCleaner

@HopelessN00b In other news:

serverfault.com/tags/bang-account/info

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner Ugh. I stumbled across manager earlier today and am working my way through it. Not sure which tag is more useless.

TheCleaner

I helped you out on 2 of those

Matthew Ife

What the hell is a serverfault.com/questions/tagged/salt-stack

Damn no auto-markup on those links.

freiheit

@MatthewIfe saltstack.com/community

ewwhite

21:57

@MatthewIfe I don't know what that is

Matthew Ife

Looks nasty.

Pretty good front page blurb though.

I dont like the idea of a 'stack' for config management.

ewwhite

@MatthewIfe saltstack!!

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite Well, I dont like the idea of a salty stack either.

Shane Madden

Depends if you like the idea of your config management syntax being a templating language on top of yaml.

TheCleaner

saltstack is more devops silliness for giganto companies

Wesley

22:01

@TheCleaner Chef cooked my puppet in salt. =(

Dennis Kaarsemaker

ok, what really pisses me off about limoncelli's book is that he constantly refers to coworkers as customers. They're not your customers! Customers are the people giving the company money, coworkers are the people you work together with to provide something to these customers.

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker I don't know about that

If you work in IT, your job is to provide the rest of the business the tools that they need to do their jobs

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker Technically IT's "customers" are the business users.

Mark Henderson

Thus, your users are your customers

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I very, very strongly disagree with that

voretaq7

22:03

Remember: You're a filthy, filthy cost center.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I work with these people to create something, not for these people.

that's a massive attitude difference

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker My customers were internal... the people who may have been doing more with the line-of-business... produce salespeople, traders, developers.

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker Go work for IBM for a year (where IT actually bills the other departments for work) and your attitude will shift :-)

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker I work with a lot of companies, and I can tell you that companies where IT view themselves as a support structure to the rest of the company are vastly easier to work with and so much more cooperative than the ones where IT put themselves on a pedestal and act as though they are the ones who run the show

@DennisKaarsemaker That's a grey area. If you're an architect, you are working for your client, but you are also working with them to make something beautiful.

An architect on his own can draw as many beautiful drawings as he wants, but without a customer he doesn't get to create anything

And a customer can create something on their own, but it will most likely suck badly unless they employ an architect

Dennis Kaarsemaker

which customer do you mean there?

Mark Henderson

22:06

It's a two way street

Dennis Kaarsemaker

(see, another reason to hate it. Confusion!)

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson well there's a middle-ground between that extreme and Dennis' extreme

Matthew Ife

Theres a generic term for it too. Employment

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker Put it this way: Just as long as you are working with everyone else towards a common goal, it doesn't matter who calls who what. You'll do better than the ones where IT works in the opposite direction to the company.

HopelessN00b

@DennisKaarsemaker It's a not a perfect analogy, and as I like to remind my bosses when they get too... merpy... about some braindead user being IT's "customer," the primary difference is that if you run a business, you can tell customers to fuck off and take their business elsewhere. IT does not have that luxury with users... though it should.

voretaq7

22:08

for example, I work FOR the business units (the parts of the company directly providing value to customers in exchange for revenue), I work WITH the other technical divisions (Development, Hardware Engineering) to provide what those business units need to get the customers to hand over their wallets.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MarkHenderson I like that. But I think what it really boils down to for me is that calling coworkers customers makes IT people lose sight of who the real customers are. We require people to be very business focused putting our customers (not the coworker kind) at the heart of what we do.

@voretaq7 I guess the difference with here is that IT is the part generating customer value :)

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker that's culture, man... what if you work somewhere where you don't have external customers?

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker I make that distinction as "customer" vs "client"

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite I can't think of a single business that doesn't have customers.

voretaq7

@ewwhite then you have "clients" (the things outside the company that sign contracts and give you moneys) :-)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

22:09

they'd be out of money pretty damn quickly :)

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker I guess it also depends on what kind of company you work for. If you're first level internal staff helldesk at a multinational company working in the basement of an off-site building in an industrial park you're about as far removed from the end customer as you can be

HopelessN00b

@DennisKaarsemaker Yeah, you're different from most places, where IT is purely internal - serve the business, rather than actual, external customers.

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson This is also true: Different business units have different concepts of "Customer"

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MarkHenderson and yet that still doesn't excuse you from being customer focused. You'll need to prioritize things based on impact to the actual customers for instance

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker Proprietary financial trading... some research institutions...

Mark Henderson

22:10

But in my case where there's only 5 people in the company and I'm the only one in the office today I speak directly to the people who pay our company substantial sums

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker My (primary) customer is the development team, but anything I do for them is based on the impact to the clients (end users who give us moneys)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite point taken. Though financial trading are scumbags :)

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker :(

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@voretaq7 and I call those coworkers and customers. My coworkers don't buy anything from me, they work with me to provide something to our customers.

Matthew Ife

@DennisKaarsemaker I'm not a scumbag :(. (I dont do the trading btw, and they have customers too)

voretaq7

22:12

@MatthewIfe yes you are. Everyone in this room is a scumbag.

you're a financials & trading scumbag, which just makes it worse :)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Double scum

add devops and you can be a scrumbag

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Matthew Ife

@voretaq7 I'm not a scumbag. I'm an arsehole. Theres a significant difference there.

I think

ewwhite

I'm glad I'm not a scumbag

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker Most of the time I'd agree; but we all know that if the CEO's personal secretary calls you because she lost her appointment to pick up his dry cleaning and doesn't know where to go to get it, you best show her how to recover deleted items from Exchange rather than dealing with some lady from accounts receivable who is having trouble opening a spreadsheet

Not saying it's right, but that's the way it goes

voretaq7

@MatthewIfe ...which one is worse?

@ewwhite You're an insultant.

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Dennis Kaarsemaker

22:15

@MarkHenderson and by the same token we all want to play around with $shiny_new_system than do boring maintenance work. Nobody gets prioritization always right :)

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker Damn straight

ewwhite

how do you people keep focused?

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker $shiny_new_system automates the maintenance work!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite headphones.

ewwhite

I keep finding rabbit holes...

voretaq7

22:16

@ewwhite I simply buckle down and OOH SHINY! <chase keys> . . . FUCK, what was I working on?!

Matthew Ife

@voretaq7 as an arsehole I am rude, arrogant and obnoxious. A scumbag is someone who is greedy, rude, arrogant and obnoxious. There is a significant difference!

ewwhite

I discovered things I could do with Mcollective last night and didn't even go to bed.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@voretaq7 be careful, you're channeling your inner @Wesley again

voretaq7

@ewwhite Go down the right rabbit hole and you'll find a tasty, tasty wabbit....

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite I don't know if a bunch of people who hang out in a chat room all day when they're at work are good people to ask about staying focussed

voretaq7

22:17

@MatthewIfe . . . so you'll work for free then? Excellent! you're hired!

ewwhite

@voretaq7 Munch...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

voretaq7

I improved our haproxy monitoring today.

@DennisKaarsemaker Now that's my kinda wabbit!

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 I wrote a powershell script!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@voretaq7 err, I thought bugs bunny would be more your kind :)

voretaq7

22:18

@ewwhite That sort of wabbit is demonstrably dangerous

Matthew Ife

I trawled through automount code to try to work out what makes it make the value 2049 become 0. There was no answer forthcoming though..

blog.Brokenhaze

Brokenhaze: Fun With PowerShell, WS-MAN, and Dell

posted on February 26, 2014 by George Beech

Recently I’ve been playing with using the WS-MAN protocol to gather information (and eventually run updates) on our Dell servers. It has actually been a fairly insteresting project after I got through the pretty high learning curve to get started using WS-MAN. First, what is WS-MAN? It’s a management standard developed by the DTMF. What […]

voretaq7

@MatthewIfe Because automount

ewwhite

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A: flash on EL6 for accessing vmware vcenter appliance 5.5

Ok, here's what I did. It does work for the limited testing I did. http://chrome.richardlloyd.org.uk Thanks to Mr. Lloyd for stepping up to the plate and resolving this issue. However, I've decided to forego vcenter and stick with what works, which is two separate boxes with esxi 5.5 on them...

Flash has no place in a serious or production environment and is just asking for trouble

I don't agree with that.

TheCleaner

The shopping site is rocking right along: techshoppingand.info/questions/57/pics-of-my-mom

voretaq7

22:22

@ewwhite I do.

Michael Hampton

Flash should have died a horrible death years ago. Hopefully we can finally kill it soon.

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite My priorities get changed at least 10 times an hour. That's pretty incompatible with staying focused.

ewwhite

But the point is that they need VMware... and today, the cost of business of dealing with VMware is 1). using Windows or a Mac and 2). needing Adobe Flash.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

voretaq7

Flash has SO. MANY. GAPING. BLEEDING. FESTERING. SECURITY. HOLES. it shouldn't be installed on any machine connected to the internet.

@ewwhite they support Mac again? Like ACTUALLY support? 'cuz I still need to run a VM with Win7 in it...

ewwhite

22:25

@voretaq7 runs beautifully on a Mac.

voretaq7

@ewwhite lies. I still need a Windows box for the vSphere server don't I?

(and if I forego vSphere I need a Windows box for their shitty-ass fat client, right?)

Michael Hampton

But I don't need VMware anymore!

ewwhite

@voretaq7 Nice... :)

pauska

@voretaq7 vcenter appliance

ewwhite

@voretaq7 It's a SuSE VM for vCenter nowadays. Embedded PostgreSQL.

voretaq7

22:27

@pauska @ewwhite OK that's a nice (substantial) improvement then.

pauska

@ewwhite does it has update manager now?

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite That's a lot of datacenters

Are they all on-site? Or are some of them remote?

voretaq7

(Still though: Flash? DO NOT WANT!)

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson combination

voretaq7

@pauska IIRC in 5.5 you still use the windows fat client for that (@ewwhite ?)

ewwhite

22:28

@pauska no update manager...

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Just out of curiosity, how do you accesss them? ipsec tunnels?

voretaq7

@ewwhite there, that's my new rock to stand on and shout "Doesn't support Mac!" :-P

ewwhite

I mean, you can do everything from the web... but a Windows VM is needed to hold the update manager DB

@MarkHenderson Site-to-site tunnels.

pauska

@ewwhite :|

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite We do the same thing, but don't have anywhere near that many

pauska

22:29

@ewwhite You run vcenter for them all?

ewwhite

The Update Manager screen...

pauska

does HA even kick in if they lose vcenter connectivity?

ewwhite

@pauska I learned how to do this at the last cloud job. We had a dedicated management cluster with our vCenters... and each client had their clusters.

pauska

@ewwhite linked servers?

ewwhite

@pauska no... never did linked vcenters

Multiple vCenters for ESXi 4, vsphere 5 and the internal and vCloud environments.

the management cluster had something like 30 VMs and appliances for vCloud, chargeback, vcenter, vshield, the NSX/Nicera networking, operations manager, databases, etc.

Mark Henderson

22:36

Ok, I must be getting old. I don't think I fully understand Twitter. I write nothing interesting, rarely retweet or even tweet at all and today 4 20-somethings who make duckface followed me

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson they want dat azz!

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson probably spammers

Mark Henderson

And my god their bio lines just make me want to punch myself in the face

@voretaq7 They're not very good then; they only have 300 followers each

TheCleaner

Maybe one of the other WinAdmins will show pity on this guy...but I have a feeling they'll end up getting asked a ton of followup questions

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Q: My first Domain Controller upgrade (2008R2 to redudant 2012), please help me, i need some tips

At the moment on our ESXi Server are 10 VMs running. One of the VM is the Domain Controller (Windows Server 2008 R2). On this Domain Controller are role like AD, DNS, DHCP and Wins installed. The hole company has only one Domain Controller. Now, we want to upgrade this Domain Controller to two re...

windows-server-2008-r2 windows-server-2012 domain-controller server-migration

Mark Henderson

@TheCleaner Oh hell no

You're right, that's a help vampire

Can smell them a mile away

TheCleaner

22:39

Well Mark's there commenting...we'll see if he takes pity

Mark Henderson

> i would clean the DHCP reservation of this Server

The dude is using DHCP leases on his domain controllers

TheCleaner

I made my only comment on that one...

Ry Jones

22:55

@TheCleaner you made three comments. One on the question, two in here.

also, I'd love to know what it is about adding a release candidate tag cause all the devs to check in trivial document fixes. why didn't that get checked in this morning?

ewwhite

On the phone with Comcast... torture

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson At $job[-1] we took in equipment from a customer outsourcing their datacenter. Everything used DHCP. Guess what machine they didn't send?

Ry Jones

@ewwhite see if you can get ipv6

TheCleaner

@RyJones but I meant....I....

ewwhite

I was inside of one of Comcast's data centers once. It'd be interesting to get some info from engineers who work there.

@RyJones no ipv6 for me yet

Michael Hampton

22:59

@ewwhite Oh god, I'm so sorry...

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I'm trying to move to their new X1 DVR platform

Mark Henderson

@TeunVink That won't help much for certification testing, though... Classful addressing is still a pretty integral part of the CCNA curriculum. — Fizzle yesterday

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite haha, you're trying to give them more money and they're making it difficult?!

Mark Henderson

This makes me sad

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton no cost increase

Michael Hampton

23:01

@ewwhite Oh, that explains it.

ewwhite

My TV viewing experience will be the tits following this

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Michael Hampton

Ahh. I don't watch TV.

Matthew Ife

@ewwhite are you ordering porn?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Elitist!

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite It's "Elitist jerk". Get it right!

Ry Jones

23:08

look, I'm gonna break it to you guys, even people that work on shit products want to do the best job. All of the engineers at Hotmail did they best they could

Michael Hampton

Oh, there's a blast from the past on the home page.

To make a huge RAM drive, first you must obtain the keys to the RAM. Then you get in, put the key in the ignition and turn it to Start. Then you should be able to make the RAM drive. — Tom O'Connor Mar 22 '12 at 9:53

freiheit

@RyJones I know that I, personally, have done some totally awesome work on projects that should never have escaped the brainstorming session.

Ry Jones

you guys read about 30% feedback today? interesting concept

blog.42floors.com/thirty-percent-feedback

Tanner

@RyJones yeah that was interesting. I've definitely fallen in to that trap myself...

Ry Jones

@Tanner I'm going to try to apply it

instagram.com/p/k5akktTDLj OK beer

ewwhite

23:21

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Q: VMWare ESXi 4 VMFS Recovery

Had a big time problem with our ESXi 4 on a IBM X3400 M3 with LSI MegaRaid. 4 x 1TB in RAID 10, for 2 datastores of 1 TB. Haven't done any maintennance since 2010. My own big sin! 80) From system logs, I found out that since March, 2013 we had one disk failing. Actually I happily saw that the ...

vmware-esxi partition recovery vmfs

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Have backups? Do restore!

Screw fucking around with partition tables; asking for trouble

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson you know there aren't any backups.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite I mis-read. When he said he belives in restoring his VMDKs, I thought he meant restoring from a backup

> I still believe in restoring my vmdks

Of course, I realise how naive this is of me

Michael Hampton

So what is the best way to backup a virtual machine? Copy its disk image, or run backup software from within the VM?

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I used to backup from within the VM when we were poor. Then I paid for 6 sockets of Veeam which backups from a hypervisor level

ewwhite

23:30

@MichaelHampton exactly.

I don't chide people when this happens because most people don't have good virtual machine backups!

Mark Henderson

It seems to be a good combination of both. It can backup from the hypervisor snapshot level, or in the case of our P4000 SAN, can backup directly from the SAN itself

And it can also restore individual files from your backups, and in the case of Exchange, even recover individual mailbox items from the backups

cole

@MichaelHampton I think it really depends on what's running on said VM

Mark Henderson

Veeam also takes place of VMWare Site Recovery Manager if that's your thing too; it can replicate shared-noithing between sites for DR

cole

We do VADP backups on most of our VMs. Things AD are backed up using the regular Networker Client

ewwhite

(meanwhile in ewwhite-land)

cole

23:33

But we're also backing up to tape. No replication or D2D

Shane Madden

@ewwhite That looks a lot less awful than stock avamar.

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden they cleaned it up very well

so today, for $5k, you get vSphere Essentials Plus, HA, vMotion and Storage vMotion, vSphere replication, vSphere data protection and can accommodate 3 2-cpu hosts.

great deal...

unless you need more

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Fuck you; the standalone price for vSphere Essentials Plus for me, with nothing else, is like $6k

cole

@MarkHenderson holy shit

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson it's really 4k

Mark Henderson

23:36

I was wrong

$7,979.85AUD

just for Essentials Plus

cole

wtf why

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Hell, even stepping down to Enterprise would suck for my environment. No vDS, no storage DRS..

Mark Henderson

@cole BECAUSE AUSTRALIA

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cole

also - I always forget we have an office in Australia

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden keygen, or you pay-up.

Mark Henderson

23:37

I put the screws into them a while back and got the price down to $6609.14

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson It's the hazard pay for having to deal with Drop-Bear attacks...

cole

@ShaneMadden yeah we're Enterprise at my work

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Yup.

freiheit

@MarkHenderson Nobody actually bothers to figure out the correct conversion rate to convert between AUD and USD, they just double or half the numbers in whatever way screws australians...

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite They live in the fucking rainforest, mostly the daintree in northern qld

Not a big issue for suburbia

(unless you have a lot of gum trees in your local park)

I think I am going to order my vSphere Essentials from the United States

Create a new vmware account and register everything under there

freiheit

23:39

@MarkHenderson we do have gum trees around suburbia all over california... I'll make sure to watch for drop-bears now...

Mark Henderson

@freiheit See so now drop bears aren't an excuse either

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite What is all this about keygens?

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Gee, you want a vSphere 5 keygen now too?

ASA keygen not enough for you?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton if you big enough to need vDS, sDRS, you have to pay-up

and it hurts

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite The Research Bay doesn't give me any vsphere keygens?

ewwhite

23:40

unless it's the business... cough cloud, and then you pass the cost back to customer

freiheit

@MarkHenderson Nobody has to make up a dangerous Australian animal, because everything there is already deadly. World's top ten deadliest snakes, spiders the size of dinner plates, rabid kangaroos, multiple kinds of crocodiles, great whites hungry enough to try human, etc...

cole

LOL

Mark Henderson

@freiheit I don't care about any of that. I just want to pay a reasonable price for my vmware and adobe products

To be fair though, VMWare Workstation and Fusion are basically the same price between regions

Its just hte vSphere range that's buttraped

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Someone should tell him about BitTorrent.

Anonymous

LOL too

Mark Henderson

23:44

If you want, I'm happy to provide

99% guaranteed to be trojan free

Probably works under WINE too

Michael Hampton

I found it eventually... just wasn't expecting NOT to find it on TPB

ewwhite

still on the phone with Cumcast.

cole

@ewwhite that made me say "eww" outloud

For both the name, and because they suck.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton You know Puppet. Why didn't you fix my problem?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Check the locale settings of the affected machines.

ewwhite

23:53

All are LANG=C

(because produce)

freiheit

@ewwhite tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/PUP-736

ewwhite

@freiheit I see...

Michael Hampton

Yep

ewwhite

however, it worked on the majority of servers...

freiheit

It's the rpm -qa that's getting a non-ASCII character and convincing puppet that yum is no good, not the specific query for that specific package. There's a fix in puppet 3.4.3.

Michael Hampton

23:57

Who the fuck uses LANG=C anymore?

ewwhite

no locale differences.

@MichaelHampton produce

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Oh yeah, they're still in the 70's...

freiheit

@ewwhite Are there differences in the installed package set?

ewwhite

@freiheit not many.. let me look at the current status.

peadmin@puppet:~$ mco package hp-snmp-agents  status
Summary of Arch:

   x86_64 = 29

Summary of Ensure:

               absent = 51
   9.50-2564.40.rhel6 = 16
   9.50-2564.34.rhel5 = 9
       8.1.1-22.rhel4 = 2
   9.40-2506.37.rhel6 = 2

so only two servers have the wrong version

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