The Comms Room

Mark Henderson

00:00

When they lost a huge tender because their tender submission was a single page document, they just sued the government until they got their tender awarded anyway

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: oh, and the government owns big chunks of the big three telcos ;p

@MarkHenderson: o0

Scott Pack

More cyclists than in Portland?

Ry Jones

crazy talk

freiheit

@Wesley See also: bikeleague.org/ridesmart

Scott Pack

How many wheels are you using as your metric?

Mark Henderson

00:01

@JourneymanGeek They own parts of all three?

That's a bit weird

freiheit

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Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: 2 of them were spun off from government projects

Mark Henderson

You don't normally invest in two companies that are competitors.

Wesley

@freiheit Could that SSL Cert have a longer company name?

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Aahh

@Wesley If you're paying for EV certification, you make it worth every dollar

Journeyman Geek

00:02

Singtel was the government run phone company, starhub is the combination of our third ISP, and the government owned cable company

Wesley

Scott Pack

@freiheit Not enough unicycles.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Also, it's valid for less than one year

Weird

Journeyman Geek

basically the government loves to set up basic infrastructure under a quasi government corporation, then spin/sell it off.

Wesley

Honorable Royal League of the Gentleman and Gentlewoman Cyclists in their Most Noble Pursuit of Cranktastic Pedalpushing

Mark Henderson

00:03

@JourneymanGeek Profiting handsomely for a few senators I'm sure

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: Not entirely odd

freiheit

@Wesley They do business as the first name, but are legally incorporated as the second name.

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek Any opportunity for an American consultant to come in? =P

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: oh, it probably helps smooth out the fuckups the government investment bodies do

Wesley

@freiheit DBA: Cycle Ltd

@freiheit I want my quads to bend light around them.

Mark Henderson

00:04

@JourneymanGeek That's ok. Our politicians use their government-issued credit cards for whores

Journeyman Geek

@Wesley: lol

Wesley

So, Squat erryday, century every other. That's reasonable, right?

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: they may play monopoly with our money, but they arn't using our money for their purposes ;p

Wesley

Ladies like thighs that enter a room two minutes before my head does, right?

freiheit

@Wesley Make sure to include some 20% grade climbs in those centuries.

Wesley

00:05

@freiheit You know, we do have some intense hill riding around here.

freiheit

@Wesley Put together a route with numbers like this one: ridewithgps.com/routes/1287544

Wesley

@freiheit WTF

Was that a one day ride?!

Mark Henderson

@freiheit Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

Scott Pack

@Wesley Can't you just pedal faster by changing gears?

Wesley

@ScottPack Or being chased by a dog.

Mark Henderson

00:08

I know people who wouldn't even drive that far in a single day

ewwhite

@joel WUT.

Wesley

Two thousand foot elevation gain. Sheeeee-it.

ewwhite

careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/49641/…

freiheit

@Wesley 8 people got it done in under 12 hours last year...

Wesley

@freiheit How on earth.

Journeyman Geek

00:08

@Wesley: or worse, getting chased by a driving dog.

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freiheit

@Wesley You missed a digit. Twenty-thousand.

Journeyman Geek

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Scott Pack

Does that dog have its license?

Wesley

@ScottPack License to ill!

Scott Pack

00:10

Seriously.

Andrew

@Wesley I saw a comic about that

freiheit

@Wesley They cheat a little by picking the longest day of the year for the ride, if that helps any.... I think it's dark when they start and when they finish, too...

Wesley

@freiheit I would imagine that sunlight and visibility from drivers is important.

Andrew

theoatmeal.com/comics/running4

Wesley

@freiheit Should do a double century in Alaska.

Journeyman Geek

00:11

@ScottPack I'm pretty sure he has a dog licence, does that count?

Andrew

Running, but probably applies to cycling too

freiheit

@Wesley They start with lights and arrange to pick up lights again at one of the stops.

Wesley

@Andrew Nice

@freiheit Revolights!

Mark Henderson

@freiheit Paragraphs!!

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Dipthongs!

Mark Henderson

00:12

Also, most of those people are in their 40s and 50s

freiheit

@Wesley Apparently somebody had that idea

Wesley

@freiheit Oh really? How'd that work out? Seems like a lot of weight to be kewl on a double century.

freiheit

@MarkHenderson It takes a few decades to become insane enough to do it.

Also:

> On the weekend of August 26-27, 1995, Santa Rosa Cycling Club member Trent Norlund, accompanied by personal support van, became the first person to "double" the Terrible Two course, completing the twice-around, 400-mile, 32000' ride in 38:39.

^^^ Seriously fucking crazy beyond fucking crazy. ;)

Mark Henderson

@freiheit Non-stop?!

I would struggle to even stay awake for that long

freiheit

@MarkHenderson I don't know any more details on that particular bout of madness, but typically they do have various rest stops where they stop for a few minutes. Maybe even a 15 minute nap...

Ry Jones

00:23

what about that brain damaged lady that proved long distance running is all mental, not physical?

mossy

@freiheit holy shit

Ry Jones

I'll take a single anecdote and expand it to cover the entirety of a sport

radiolab.org/story/runners

freiheit

@RyJones It is totally all mental, assuming you've got the right genetics and have trained enough that you can keep running until sleep deprivation hits (as long as you keep eating and drinking enough to make up what you're burning and perspiring).

Ry Jones

here we go: radiolab.org/story/122291-in-running

Diane Van Deren

I know, I worked with an ultra marathoner that was more than happy to spill about it

I think she did 2 or 3 centuries a week to keep in shape

can't remember her name to look her up

ewwhite

@pauska Have you ever built a terminal server in kiosk mode?

Wesley

00:38

@ewwhite Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

ewwhite

I need a minimal RDS server setup that erases changes after logoff.

Nathan C

00:53

So...TWC apparently offers native IPv6

good news everyone!

:p

Ry Jones

@NathanC I have it on comcast, too, it's nice

I feel like my epeen grew three sizes the day I got it

Nathan C

Also upgraded to the 50 mbps plan

Although with the wifi issues I've had here I won't see all of that bandwidth :(

Ry Jones

that's more bits per second than I have, for sure

Zoredache

Comcast doesn't seem able to make up its mind about if I can IPv6 or not at home. I was seeing IPv6 announcements on the wire for a couple weeks in December, but now nothing.

Ry Jones

I switched to a new "modem" and now I'm good. we had this discussion before.

Nathan C

01:05

The router I had lacked ipv6 support, but the modem does

Zoredache

Does anyone know of a reliable, inexpensive, quiet|silent, 16 port 1GB switch? I am kinda thinking of a V1910-16G, but I can't find anything in their specs about how loud it is.

Nathan C

So...I re-enabled the modem (took it off bridged mode) and the meraki picks up the ipv6

@Zoredache I think you can find fanless ones...

Ry Jones

This is my IPv6 router: apple.com/airport-extreme

Zoredache

@NathanC Forgot to mention, I need vlan support. I have yet to find a fanless 16 port with vlan support.

Joel E Salas

@Zoredache For your house?

Jacob

01:08

@JoelESalas I needed a 48 port switch for my house...

Joel E Salas

Smells like nerds in here.

Zoredache

@JoelESalas no, for one of the school I support. The particular 'school' is within the jail, which has solid walls they don't want to put holes in, so I needs to be in the classroom.

Nathan C

@Zoredache Probably because managed switches need processors that require cooling

Zoredache

@NathanC Sure. Even a relatively quite fans would probably work, but very few switches seem to list their noise levels in the specs...

ewwhite

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2014-02-24T23:52:09.421Z cpu0:6262)ScsiDeviceIO: 2318: Cmd(0x4124007a2140) 0x2a, CmdSN 0x800000e4 from world 6549 to dev "t10.ATA_____TOSH
IBA_DT01ACA300_________________________________33815YEAS" failed H:0x0 D:0x8 P:0x0 Possible sense data: 0x0 0x0 0x0.

"What's wrong with my server?!?"

Nathan C

01:13

@ewwhite Smells like a dead controller

Ry Jones

@Zoredache amazon.com/GS716T-200-ProSafe%C2%AE-16-port-Gigabit-Switch/dp/… 16 port fanless managed switch

The GS716T-200 and GS724T-300 are fanless switches with silent operation for a pleasant environment.

ewwhite

Someone needs silent switches?

Ry Jones

which means the other SKUs are unpleasant

ewwhite

I have a bunch that I use for office environments.

and porn sets...

but really office environments.

Zoredache

@ewwhite Yup, I am looking a quiet/silent switch (16 port 1GB, vlan support, reliable&inexpensive). Looking for options

ewwhite

01:26

@Zoredache HP ProCurve 1810-24G - h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/il/en/sm/WF06b/…

Zoredache

@RyJones That might work, but I have a strong (possibly irrational) aversion to netgear stuff.

ewwhite

amazon.com/HP-Procurve-1810G-24-Switch-J9450A/dp/B002NAYFSI

Zoredache

@ewwhite looks liek that might work. Seems to be out of stock almost everywhere that we usually purchase through though...

ewwhite

oh... there's a version2...

amazon.com/HP-1810-24G-Gigabit-Rack-Mountable-J9803A/dp/…

Provantage is an easy order - provantage.com/scripts/…

Zoredache

Ah that looks good. Thanks.

Wonder why the Amazon link says 'cisco systems - enterprise'.

ewwhite

01:36

mmmhmm

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite You're up, again... serverfault.com/q/578064/126632

Jacob

much abuse so dull wow

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton meh

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Hey while we're on the topic of switches, do you know of any gigabit HP switches besides the 2920 that have 10GbE uplinks?

2920-24g + Rack Kit + 10GbE SFP+ + DAC Cables is like $2200/unit

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson I just sold a pair of ProCurve 2910's to a client...

Mark Henderson

01:45

Throw in a stacking a stacking module for an extra $500/switch too

ewwhite

CX4 10GbE

but when I start talking about 10GbE, I use ProCurve 5400zl chassis switches

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite That's way out of the league for this situation

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson what's your budget?

Mark Henderson

They're basically after gbe for all the servers with two 10gbe per switch for their SAN nodes

ewwhite

budget

Mark Henderson

01:47

They'd like to get two switches and all associated stacking etc for around $5500

And they can do it with Netgear

I'd like to give them a better option

ewwhite

No clue. I go to chassis once SAN is involved.

Mark Henderson

In fact the Netgear option is substantially cheaper with two GS728TXS at $1200/switch

ewwhite

well, I think the cost expectation there is unrealistic.

Mark Henderson

Throw in 8 SFP+ modules (two per switch for stacking; two for the SAN) and SFP+ Direct cables and you're still only at about $3500

ewwhite

but do what you have to do!

Mark Henderson

01:51

@ewwhite Yeah, I suspected as much

ewwhite

ebay-wise, I'm getting 2910a switches at $1100/ea

Mark Henderson

These people currently have an un-managed 24-port Netgear gigabit switch running their whole infrastructure

So anything is a step in the right direction

ewwhite

you didn't tell me port count

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite 24

Per switch

ewwhite

J9726A

$1k

Mark Henderson

01:55

I don't have that model exactly, but I've priced up 2920's already for them

They are $1600 for the base unit

ewwhite

well, that's the SKU I'd use

Mark Henderson

It's not listed in APAC

shrug

I don't think anyone will come close to the price point to the Netgears

Hard to justify twice the price on a similar solution from HP

But I'll give it to them anyway

ewwhite

because the HP's won't fall over.

Did I even mention that Logicworks had a lot of Netgear deployed?

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Haha they won't care. Their whole rack, including a Dell 1900 blade chassis running on unmanaged netgears

And they have never had a networking problem

(because there is nothing to go wrong, probably)

Anyway I'll deal with them on that. But at least I know I didn't miss anything obvious in my research

They also ran out of network ports in some of their rooms, so entire rooms are running on cascaded dumb switches from the local electronics store

We're just taking it one step at a time

ewwhite

k

cole

02:28

HNNG

Fuck IIS

Andrew

@MarkHenderson mybroadband.communications.gov.au/default.aspx

MiniTruth strikes again!

Mark Henderson

@Andrew symmetric Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) quality : E The estimated median ADSL speed for your area is (Mbps): > 2.25

Just as well I get an A for HFC, but I am one of the lucky few

Andrew

@MarkHenderson Allegedly I get 3G & 4G coverage! Not likely.

Ry Jones

I should not have smoked that cigar on the way home. now I'm all amped up

Andrew

02:45

damn.

@MarkHenderson twitter.com/DeptOfAustralia

voretaq7

@cole WEAR A CONDOM!

cole

@voretaq7 That won't help, it's like fucking a cactus

voretaq7

so I guess someone doesn't like me saying "You shouldn't run Apache on Windows" >P\:P

Mark Henderson

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson "It's all fun and games until somebody flys Quantas and the engine explodes."

Andrew

02:54

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Yeah my productivity for the rest of the day is fucked now

Andrew

@MarkHenderson have you been following the "internet anonymity allows cyberbullying" thing at all?

Mark Henderson

@Andrew So not interested

A celebrity kills themselves and now we're all up in arms about cyber bullying when this shit has been going on for years and years, and now only that a pretty famous woman is dead do we give a shit about it

Not just that, but anonymity on the internet has been studied since the early 80's

It's not exactly a new field of research

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson whaddid I miss?

Andrew

@MarkHenderson "pretty famous" only in the right crowd (I'd never heard of her)

Mark Henderson

03:07

@Andrew Me neither but my wife knew who she was

@voretaq7 An Australian C-list celebrity killed themselves after battling with depression for years and years

And she had a public breakdown about 2 years ago after she got trolled bad on twitter

So now of course, she killed herself because of twitter trolls

Andrew

@MarkHenderson absolutely nothing to do with depression, because Mental Health isn't real!

Mark Henderson

Nothing to do with the mental illness she suffered, or the years of pressure of being in the public eye and the immense pressure to win awards and failing to do so. Nope. Twitters fault.

voretaq7

This may sound callous and harsh, but a someone who has dealt with depression: "Seriously, QQMore. It's the fucking internet. If they don't hate you you're DOING IT WRONG."

@MarkHenderson Fucking whale did it.

mossy

good evening gents

the fuck you guys talkin about

Andrew

@voretaq7 yes, people are maybe going to have to learn that there's more to the interwebs than the like they get on Faceblog.

voretaq7

03:10

@mossy People thinking the internet is a nice place

mossy

First mistake.

Andrew

kittens!

mossy

@Andrew Speaking of kittens, I was on a Cat forum earlier trying to figure out why my cat wont stop yelling like a little bitch.. After reading a few posts, I realized that everyone on the forum talks as if they're the cat.

For instance, "Mom gets mad when I claw the couch"

Mom == person typing

was weird, man.

Mark Henderson

@mossy A forum full of crazy cat ladies

Andrew

Um. There's probably a Pet Advice Stack Exchange

Mark Henderson

03:15

Might find someone for @Wesley there

mossy

:|

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Wouldn't surprise me. There's an SE for fucking everything

Andrew

mossy

How do I motivate my rabbit to eat more hay?

i like this place already

jscott

One of my cats discharged it's anal glands on the carpeted steps today. It was nothing short of foul. Cleaned it thoroughly with this Natures Miracle Advance product hoping it works.

mossy

03:17

@jscott Do all cats do this?

Should I be worried

Ry Jones

I deleted all my SE accounts except for the two main ones

jscott

@mossy All cats have anal glands, but no, they don't all just discharge in a horrific blast on carpeted surfaces.

@RyJones You can delete per-site?

Ry Jones

@jscott yes you can, I did it

jscott

@RyJones Interesting, thanks, and good to know.

@mossy I would google it. Many people take their cats/dogs to the vet to have the glands expressed.

Mark Henderson

This is just about the grossest thing ever discussed in this room

mossy

03:20

lol

can we say wet fart instead, please

jscott

@MarkHenderson Where's your red-lipstick-ass-ringed-cat avatar now?

Mark Henderson

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mossy

wow

jscott

YES!

Ry Jones

@jscott if you have no replies or votes it's automatic, if you have either you have to fill out a little form

jscott

03:23

@RyJones Do your posts disappear or just get credited to Community/User12345?

Ry Jones

they don't get deleted

if I knew where some of my posts on SQA were, we could find out, but I have no idea and SQA is a fucking wasteland

Mark Henderson

Apparently not

1028

Software Quality Assurance & Testing – sqa.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for software quality control experts, automation engineers, and software testers.

Currently in public beta.

selenium, selenium, selenium, selenium, selenium, selenium, selenium, selenium

Just tell them to use Sauce Labs and forget about the rest

Ry Jones

the quality of incoming questions is so very, very low that they don't vtc anything

it's almost 100% Indian offshore workers trying to get a job done

Mark Henderson

Well you get what you paid for

Andrew

> merged with Selenium Apr 26 '11 at 18:10
> This proposal has been deleted.

Ward

05:08

Even though I gave up before finishing it, my snow bike has probably got more miles on it than @Wesley's bike.

2

Anonymous

@Ward it's a cool bike

Anonymous

you should try to spray it with red colourant

Anonymous

so it goes faster

Joel E Salas

@PatoSáinz da red wunz go fasta

Anonymous

gotta go fast

Anonymous

05:19

Anonymous

apparently the Five Eyes now have developed psyops to damage online reputations

Andrew

@PatoSáinz so... @FalconMomot is secretly an NSA agent?

3

Anonymous

@Andrew there may be enough evidence

Anonymous

Also, apart from destroying reputations they are crafted to tear organisations apart (PLF, Anonymous, etc)

Falcon Momot

06:53

@Andrew no comment.

Iain

G'day

Falcon Momot

yo

Iain

How goes ?

Jenny D

07:18

Morning

Falcon Momot

goes well

bugfixing is done for the day

eating chinese food

Iain

Cool and the magnets ?

Falcon Momot

they are awesome

they're the opposite polarity so I feel different things with each

Iain

IS that by design ?

Falcon Momot

I think it's more by accident

they can flip over too if you do the right thing with a strong field

Iain

07:22

I wonder if you'd feel the earth's magnetic field flip (when it does)

Falcon Momot

depends on the flux it generates

if it's strong enough to move objects or erase cards, then I will probably be injured

if it's only enough to move a compass needle, nothing will happen

except of course a lot of work will be generated for GIS people

Iain

I wouldn't be surprised to find the GIS people ready, equally I wouldn't be surprised to find them not

Falcon Momot

that software is complex enough that readiness would be very difficult

maybe I'll talk to my (frat) brother who does GIS when I'm in the same city as him again

see how prepared they are

Iain

if you do it would be interesting to hear

Falcon Momot

I'm curious too now

I wonder if any of us will see the day

Iain

07:44

It's certainly not far off in geological term s

Iain

08:23

This is interesting meta.networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/331/… not because of the question but because of the way NE is steering itself away from the low end

Jenny D

08:43

@Iain With the word "engineering" in the title, it really shouldn't be a site for low-end questions

RobM

09:01

I think they always saw themselves as being aimed towards big networks and network design

Journeyman Geek

Morning

well afternoon

Jenny D

$TIMEOFDAY :-)

Journeyman Geek

lol

accompanied my mom to one of those wierd ghost-townish malls to buy artificial flowers.

By which I mean, I was the designated packmule (tm)

Falcon Momot

@JennyD it's unfortunate they think questions about "wireless routers" are on topic here

Jenny D

@FalconMomot Yes. Superuser is -----> thataway

Falcon Momot

09:14

I think we need to purge more old shit

-1

Q: linksys spa 2002 voip device

I have a Linksys spa 2002 device connected with voipbuster to call my friends abroad. I would like to know if i can fix the PAP device somehow that when someone calls me and i dont respond that my phone (new siemens wireless phone) shows that i had one unanswered call. I don't need to know the a...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

puppet + ossec = broken rpmdb

turns out puppet doesn't respect yum's locks and has a good chance of breaking the RPM database

currently I have dozens of machines that need rpm --rebuilddb and cleanup of duplicate packages :(

Jenny D

@DennisKaarsemaker ouch. Not fun.

Have a cute picture of a horse snuggling a cat instead:

as soon as I can find it...

Falcon Momot

hahahaha

Jenny D

There. Obviously Dropbox puts photos in Camera uploads, not Photos, because that would make sense.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JennyD "mmm tasty cat"

Falcon Momot

09:24

nice... the cat looks really pleased

rather than horrified as one might expect

Jenny D

@DennisKaarsemaker They like eachother.

I've seen the cat lie sleeping on the horse.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

github.com/puppetlabs/puppet/pull/2387

Jenny D

The horse thinks small animals are really interesting.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I left out any comments about slapping puppet developers...

Falcon Momot

@DennisKaarsemaker good catch

Jenny D

09:26

@DennisKaarsemaker "git slap". ISAGN.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JennyD there's a sign on our floor that says git blame | killall --slowly

Jenny D

@DennisKaarsemaker That should be a T-shirt

Falcon Momot

I typically avoid running git blame (or git ann or git praise)

life is easier when I don't know who did it

Dan

09:45

-2

Q: How can I reject onsite opportunity?

I started a new job last month. During interview I was told that the clients are from country X and I may need to go that country which was fine for me. But now they asking me to do a similar kind of project for different clients from country Y and they want me to go there. I am not ready for to ...

work-environment travel

Talk about precious - I took a job for the free travel, but it's not where I want to go...

Tom O'Connor

@Dan There's a bit of a point behind that, actually.

I think I'd refuse if work wanted to send me to a place where homosexuality is illegal.

I'd go off and find a job where I wasn't going to be put in a position where I'd be breaking the law just by getting off the plane.

Dan

@TomO'Connor That's a very different circumstance, though

Sounds to me he just doesn't fancy the country

Tom O'Connor

@Dan I think that's not clear with the information provided.

I don't fancy going to Iran.

For the same reasons.

Dan

@TomO'Connor he says "not interested"

Tom O'Connor

Yeah. I'm not interested either.

;)

Dan

09:48

You know full well it's different

Unless he's got a crap grasp of English (Plausible) most people wouldn't use the phrase "not interested" to imply a moral issue with something

Tom O'Connor

@Dan I just think there's probably more to it.

I've just built 12 Windows Server 2012R2 VMs, to make file share servers

Dan

@TomO'Connor Sounds to me he took the job because he fancied travelling to wherever. I suppose, in terms of what's 'right and wrong' it depends very much on how it was sold in the interview. If it was a sidenote of "We have a customer in x, you may get to visit" then I'd say tough shit. Obviously if it was a heavy part of the job "sell", then he has cause for complaining.

@TomO'Connor 12?

Tom O'Connor

500G x2 DFS, 500G, 500G x2 DFS Replicated, 1T x2 DFS, 4T, 2T x2 DFS

@Dan Yeah. It's a very odd arrangement.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Sweet. DAS or SAN?

Tom O'Connor

SAN via vmware.

I think there's something like 100TB free

Dan

09:52

Sexy nice, but it sounds like they could take more advantage of SAN replication, perhaps?

Tom O'Connor

@Dan I'm not sure how..

These are all chunks of vmfs

There's san replication, but that's at a much lower level

Dan

@TomO'Connor Think I misunderstood - each one of those DFS shares is doing something independent then presumably?

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Yeah. Each pair of servers with DFS-R, has it's own namespaced share..

so there's CIFS high availability

Dan

Gotchya

That's a lot of CIFS storage!

Tom O'Connor

@Dan In terms of servers, yes

but only about 12T in storage space

Because there are some interesting restrictions on who can access which share

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