The Comms Room

Tom O'Connor

14:00

At which point, they've no idea how to badger you for more money.

I don't think it's terribly easy to track someone back by postmark alone.

RobM

yep. everyone wins, because they still got more money

Dan

Is it scary that I just remember a complex password on a project I've not touched for 3 years

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Not really. I can remember passwords like that too

Dan

@TomO'Connor We're 1337

Actually, nwo I put my mind to it, I can remember the local admin password from my first job

Tom O'Connor

I can remember my dad's old office phone number from 1992

RobM

14:03

its amazing what stays in your head

Tom O'Connor

One day, I'll call it

RobM

old passwords, old phone numbers, slightly incorrect 80s song lyrics, bizarre and frankly disturbing website memes -- welcome to the inside of my mind

Dan

@TomO'Connor I still put our old pre-1996 home phone number down on forms that demand a number

Sorry to whoever has that

Tom O'Connor

I discovered on wednesday, that 01234 567 890 is no longer a valid number.

ewwhite

@Dan Meanwhile, in produce...

mdb: 5557
nmb: gato
af: 1957
mms: mms
mjn: star
aas: gina
jmk: star
dwp: 0917

shameful

Dan

14:06

Are those passwords

ewwhite

Yes.

Dan

Nice

RobM

you should change all their passwords for them. Possibly to "Brazzers" or to the URL for that barrel of lube.

that'll be an experience they won't soon forget

ewwhite

I cracked... 400 out of 486 passwords.

RobM

ah tv tropes... "Salt Lake City Comic Con 2013 had a panel featuring, for the first time ever, William Shatner and Adam West on stage together. "

I am sad I missed that.

Tom O'Connor

14:09

@Dan The server colo site I use have 23456 as the last part of their phone number, which i think is quite neat.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Bet they had to pay for that

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Probably, but probably not too much

my new business voip line ends 472500

which was no more expensive than anything else.

Dan

Why do you feel the need to have it?

The business VoIP I mean

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Well, it's an interesting story, that.

Firstly, lots of other businesses don't like to call your mobile.

Dan

Wah, since when?

Tom O'Connor

14:12

Secondly, and more interestingly, because it's also a local number to where I live, and whilst I live in the same building as my parents, there's no intercom, so they use my local voip number

which is free to call .

Dan

THat second one is just bizaare, but okay!

Tom O'Connor

@dan since forever, actually. Plus, it means you can do cool things like have a Voip phone on your desk at home, and if it rings for more than 3 rings, divert to your mobile.

Dan

But I've never had anyone whinge about using my mobile number - it's the only way to stand a chance of getting me

@TomO'Connor Yeah, I get the concept - I've just never had an issue with mobiles

Tom O'Connor

I had to get a D&B registration number for my company so that someone would work with me

Dan

Though if my O365 Lync could do SIP trunking that'd be amazing

Tom O'Connor

14:14

for this, you need a landline (or something that looks like one to a regex)

Dan

Fair comment

Tom O'Connor

D&B occasionally call you to validate that it still works, but it's pretty much impossible with just an 07 number

Dan

I'm not bothering with that shit for the time being, I'd just use my house phone for that

Tom O'Connor

PLUS, you can count your voip linerental etc as a business operating expense, reducing your tax bill.

ewwhite

true

Dan

14:15

It's hardly reducing your tax bill to buy something you don't need, though!

Or rather, it's reducing your tax by increasing operating expenses, but you're not getting any more money in your pocket

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Well, I'd say a business phone is a pretty big requirement.

aql.com/voip-order/number-type What number do you want :P

Dan

@TomO'Connor I have one - it's in my pocket ;)

I'll get one if I need one, but anyone who doesn't grasp that if they phone a landline I'm not likely to be there isn't someone who I should be working with anyway.

Tom O'Connor

But it doesn't scale.

Dan

@TomO'Connor It scales 1:1 just fine

And I actually need a mobile, which does make it a useful tax saving ;)

And VAT saving

ewwhite

For reference, I use a mobile... and a land line at home

I'd like to get a fancy cloud VoIP phone... but it's not too necessary

my clients prefer to text me... (I'm not kidding)

I make them pay for the privilege.

Tom O'Connor

14:18

But look at it this way. In the future you might need to have someone else answer your calls. It's easier to divert a voip connection than it is to divert off a mobile.
Secondly, say you get 400 business cards printed, but need to change your mobile number for some reason, it's easier to do that by changing the forwarder, than reprinting everything.

Thirdly, some numbers just look cool.

ewwhite

(your telephone numbers out there do NOT look cool!)

Dan

Eh, all seems pointless and unnecessary to me

Plus, I think nowadays people woudl expect to see a mobile number on a card anyway

ewwhite

@Dan also true

Dan

I'm not anti VoIP or anything, by the way - but if things go to plan, I'll be spending minimal time at home anyway. If you're out and about, I don't think people find it unreasonable that you're available on a mobile phone only

Like I say, if I could do proper Lync, I'd be all over that

BUt buying a VoIP number JUST so I can forward it to my mobile is just pointless and increases call connection time

And adds a point of failure etc

Michael Hampton

@TomO'Connor My phone number ends in -4321

Tom O'Connor

14:21

01234 489894 I just found a partial palindromic one.

@Dan I've had more mobile phone failures than Voip service outages.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Yes, but if all my VoIP is doing is forwarding - then my mobile breaking is going to break it anyway

See what I'm saying?

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Except it doesn't.

because if it can't make the ongoing connection, it'll either go to vm, or go to your desk phone

or go to another number, like a virtual office service.

MDMarra

Someone answer my damn question so I can get a second monitor!

3

Q: Driving two 2560x1440 displays with Lenovo T430 and 433715U ThinkPad Mini Dock Series 3

I want to grab a second HP ZR2740w for use in my home office. I have a Lenovo T430 with an Intel HD4000 GPU, not the nVidia model. The HP monitors come with Dual-Link DVI or DisplayPort for connectivity. The Lenovo dock has a single DisplayPort, a single-link DVI, and a VGA connector. The only o...

Michael Hampton

I like forwarding my VoIP number to my mobile. I can control who gets forwarded, and I don't have to give anyone my actual mobile number.

Dan

1) Yes, the desk phone in 99% empty office. 2) My mobile provider has VM, to and 3) I'm not going the crappy softphone route either

Tom O'Connor

14:23

@MichaelHampton This. Blocking is easier too.

Dan

@MichaelHampton I'll give you that, that's an advantage - but like I said, business contacts would expect to know your mobile number now

ewwhite

@MDMarra I DON'T SEE ANY MENTION OF APPLE!!!

MDMarra

@ewwhite Because I know for a fact that my macbook supports it

Michael Hampton

@Dan They would never know it wasn't a mobile number, unless they looked it up. I also have a freephone number routed to my desk :)

Dan

@MichaelHampton Oh, you mean get a VoIP number that looks like a mobile?

ewwhite

14:25

@MDMarra All of this non-Apple shit... Apple simplifies life.

Bzzzt!

Michael Hampton

@Dan In the US they're hard to tell apart, since they usually use the same area codes

MDMarra

@Dan I have an office number, but I have no idea what it is. It's on my business cards, but whenever I get a vm on my office line, it shows up as an attachment in outlook

Dan

@MichaelHampton Ah, ours all mostly clear

Journeyman Geek

lol

Tom O'Connor

@MDMarra Didn't you search?

2

Q: What concerns are there with putting two high-end graphics cards in one PC?

I want to put two AMD/ATI V3700 into a HP 8200 Desktop to get 4x DVI outputs for 4 separate screens. Can anyone see any flaws in my plan?

graphics-card hp ati workstation

pauska

14:26

@MDMarra I tried to daisy chain displayport once, and it failed no matter what I tried

Michael Hampton

@Dan In the US it can vary all the way to the last three digits of a number. And that's before number portability.

Tom O'Connor

@pauska I've never managed it.

Dan

@MichaelHampton Ah

MDMarra

@TomO'Connor ? That's entirely different

Tom O'Connor

@MDMarra Yeah, It's kinda the same.

Sorta.

In a not at all kinda way.

pauska

14:28

@MDMarra are you really sure that apple can drive two of those at native displays with the discrete GPU?

MDMarra

Not really, I only want two monitors but both at 2560x1440 and I don't have a fancy Matrox external video card thingy

@pauska integrated you mean?

Pretty sure

Tom O'Connor

@MDMarra I think you might have to buy the matrox thingy.

ewwhite

@pauska Apple can drive three external displays

Michael Hampton

@Dan Here's an example... most of the numbers in this block are mobile, but -1000 through -1999 are VoIP

pauska

@ewwhite yes, I know that, but 2x2560x1440 takes quite the power

even for non-3d stuff

Dan

14:29

@MichaelHampton Ah, this is how ours work: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Michael Hampton

@Dan But I usually just give people my freephone, and if they ask for a mobile, then the normal VoIP number.

MDMarra

@TomO'Connor I'm pretty sure I can power a second on with the onboard mDP and power the first one with the dock's fill-sized DP, but there's a restocking fee on the monitor if I'm wrong :)

ewwhite

I'm using two thunderbolt displays from this macbook...

but I don't know the details.. it just kinda works

MDMarra

@pauska I'd have one at 2560x1440 and one ay 1440x2560 (not that it makes a difference)

pauska

the screens are displayport 1.2?

Michael Hampton

14:31

@Dan Yep, they're sort of non-geographic, many countries do that. The US doesn't, they're just lumped in with all the regular geographic numbers.

Dan

@MichaelHampton I suppose it doesn't really matter nowadays - the concept of geographic blocks is kind of outdated I think

MDMarra

@pauska hm, not sure

Michael Hampton

The US never had a Big Number Change, and probably won't.

MDMarra

@pauska shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/…

Michael Hampton

@Dan Yeah it mostly is outdated and largely irrelevant, now that calling has gotten so cheap.

pauska

14:33

ahh you've bought screens with a single displayport interface

no daisy chain for you

Michael Hampton

...and the last six digits of my toll-free number spell STUPID

Dan

@MichaelHampton That's something else you guys do - you'd never see a phone number referred to as letters over here

MDMarra

@pauska Right, but my laptop has an onboard mDP and my dock has a DP. So I should be able to get a DP->mDP cable and drive the second one directly from my laptop while docked

Strangers on the internet are claiming it works

Michael Hampton

@Dan We have a history of it. A looong history.

Dan

@MichaelHampton Haha, I never understood it when I was kid - assumed you had proper letters on your phones

pauska

14:36

@MDMarra depends on the dock really

RobM

we just have nice long numbers for our emergency services: 0118 999 881 999 119 7253

pauska

if it's just a port replicator then it will work.. if it's a dock that switches the circuits then probably not

Michael Hampton

@Dan It goes WAY back to the time when there were no dials or keypads on phones and the operator had to place all calls for you. You would have to ask for a place name and a number within that area. When they finally put dials on phones, you would dial an area by matching the first letters of the place name with the numbers.

MDMarra

@pauska why? the dock is already working

Michael Hampton

So some people got the bright idea of getting phone numbers that spelled out things.

MDMarra

14:37

the onboard mDP is what i'd plug the second into

Dan

@RobM It's a bitch to remember

RobM

it's quite a neat idea, just one that never happened here

that's 0118 999 881 999 119 7253 @dan

Dan

@MichaelHampton Ah, I can see how it came about

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton Just dial "HUmboldt 6-5127"

Dan

@RobM Did you see my Facebook row?

RobM

14:38

nope

ewwhite

Or "1-800-Mix-A-Lot"

Tom O'Connor

17070 is my favourite BT Number ever.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite @Dan I still have here a rotary desk phone with OLympia 9-0457 printed on the dial.

RobM

@dan can't see it now, what was it about?

Dan

@RobM It wasn't that exciting - someone passing misinformation about 112 vs 999

But it irritated me

RobM

14:39

I remember thinking it was really clever that american phones had names/letters on them when I was a kid

Tom O'Connor

I wonder how often people call the speaking clock these days.

Do US phones still have a FLASH button?

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton What do you think?

3

A: High Memory 64bit server, not using all ram

Im coming back here to answer my own question! The issue is caused when you have multi cpu's (not multi core) eg 2 cpus each with x cores vm.zone_reclaim_mode=0 fixes this.

@TomO'Connor some do

Tom O'Connor

@ewwhite Is it still in use for the mysterious group calling thing?

MikeyB

@TomO'Connor Yeah you just push down on the hook...

Tom O'Connor

@MikeyB Oh yeah, there's that too, but when I was a kid, there was a distinct button. We found we could have some early-form of conference calling

Dan

14:45

@RobM Maybe I'm just silly for getting irritated, but I do find this kind of crap infuriating:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2409507084/permalink/10151809338857085/?stream_ref=2

Tom O'Connor

That guy sounds like a dickweed.

MikeyB

@Dan Facebook? Yeah it's pretty infuriating.

Michael Hampton

@TomO'Connor Three-way calling?

Dan

@MikeyB True dat

Tom O'Connor

@MichaelHampton yeah.

It always sucked a bit.

Dan

14:48

@TomO'Connor There's always sucking in a three way

Tom O'Connor

Oh yeahh

servercaddies.co.uk

this is rather neat.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I think we need to get rid of "Post as guest" network-wide.

Dan

I like that they sell G8 caddies when HP don't support non standard drives

RobM

@dan that bloke arguing with you on facebook is a complete and utter wank handle.

ewwhite

@Dan HP doesn't sell them.

Dan

14:50

@ewwhite I know

ewwhite

And there are some poorly-built reverse-engineered caddies out there.

Dan

@RobM Not that I'm not a cock, but it did wind me up

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I didn't know about that sysctl parameter

Dan

They're expensive, too

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Support, or allow?

There's a subtle difference.

Michael Hampton

14:50

@ewwhite I didn't either!

Dan

@TomO'Connor To my knowledge, G8 servers won't work properly with non-standard drives

RobM

I noticed that! The bloke just seems like one of those pedantic dicks

Tom O'Connor

I wonder if they'll work if you change the RAID card for a stock LSI one.

if not.. how is that not anticompetitive.

Dan

@RobM I suppose in his defence, the video is misleading

ewwhite

@Dan they will

Dan

14:51

@ewwhite Really?

ewwhite

Yes...

Dan

I swear G8 didn't, am I totally wrong?

Tom O'Connor

I'm pretty sure if you did that, you'd be out for all sorts of trouble legally.

ewwhite

They'll work, but the server may complain anyway

no legal issues

Dan

@ewwhite Hmm

RobM

14:52

yeah, fair enough, but people believing any old shit just because someone else wrote it down or made a video about it is something that winds me up. Just look at all the endless bollocks that gets repeated on facebook that would die out if people took just 10 seconds to fact check things

Dan

@RobM Yup

Tom O'Connor

@RobM not just facebook, but the print media too.

Dan

And very yup

ewwhite

@Dan I can dig up the errors

Tom O'Connor

Theoretically, if you made a server that would only work (literally work) with disks supplied by you, that would fall under EU antitrust law.

RobM

14:54

for sure

Dan

@ewwhite Matbe I'm just mental, but I thought you said you couldn't use non-HP flash with it?

ewwhite

@Dan you can, but the controller will bitch

nobody wants to deal with it

Dan

Okay, and I'm in that camp I have to say

All our stuff is 100% HP, so I've not seen it

Tom O'Connor

@ewwhite Is it different electronics, or do they write something to the first sector?

ewwhite

@TomO'Connor firmware identification...

and weird ass errors front he controller

Tom O'Connor

14:57

@ewwhite Fair enough

ewwhite

and the rest....

12

A: Third-party SSD solutions in ProLiant Gen8 servers

I've covered SSD interoperability and compatibility issues with HP servers several times here. Check these posts: HP D2700 enclosure and SSDs. Will any SSD work? Are there any SAN vendors that allow third party drives? So, the move from G6 and G7 HP ProLiants to the Gen8 variants forced a dis...

Dan

ebuyer.com/…

I can get that for £120 (ex VAT0 - good buy?

@ewwhite Oh, is that it - so what's the issue. All it says is about the LEDs

ewwhite

Getting a damn POST error every boot...

and not being able to use the fancy LEDs on the drive caddies

Dan

Yeah, but it doesn't halt it does it?

It's not even an error - it's just a statement of fact to be fair

ewwhite

it may do an F1 prompt

but the BIOS defaults to the 20-second delay

Dan

15:02

I wouldn't worry about it, personally - I'd gladly roll servers with different disks in if that's the case

I thought it was a lot harsher than that

ewwhite

more importantly, these get logged in IML and for support purposes... not good

So if you generate a support bundle, HP may say, "you have a bunch of notes on your array controller... put genuine disks in and try again before we can proceed."

RobM

I know Dell's SSDs cost several times those of identical OEM stuff and so I have no problem with doing that in a server.

ewwhite

@RobM Dell and HP OEM SSDs are Sandisk enterprise disks...

which really ARE expensive

$2500+

RobM

@ewwhite and if you were calling them about a drive issue they'd have a point, but if you were calling them about an issue with the processor I'd tell them that I had Dell's phone number too

Tom O'Connor

@ewwhite Do you get that every time you boot?

ewwhite

15:10

@TomO'Connor yes

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Figure out how much toner costs first.

ewwhite

and the error I had there was with a disk I bought directly from HP!!

Tom O'Connor

@ewwhite So that effectively stops non-interactive booting.

That's a bit lame.

ewwhite

and I was trying to show the people at my last job about how great HP was... so it was embarrassing.

@TomO'Connor no, it delays by 20 seconds

the boot continues

@Dan Allowing my clients to text me is a blessing and a curse...

Dan

@TomO'Connor Not cheap, but it's okay

ewwhite

15:14

my morning...

same system with the wide-open web shell...

so I'm waiting for the, "we were hacked" call/text

MDMarra

Dear Banana Resellers,

We are sorry to inform you that your banana purchase history and banana purchase bank information has been leaked to unknown entities because we had users that are too dumb to do anything but work in a browser.

We sincerely banana apologize,
Banana corporation

2

pauska

@ewwhite dell even rebrands those intel 3700 ssd's..

value eMLC or whatever dell calls them

it's the cheapest one if you configure a server on their site

ewwhite

@pauska Oh! So at that point, you could just buy the Intels.

pauska

it's just a standard intel ssd with a firmware identifier on it

@ewwhite yes, but it will also bitch about non-standard disks

ewwhite

The HP's will not accept the Intel 3700's nicely... same errors.

@MDMarra But you haven't seen the password complexity yet, either.

MDMarra

15:19

three letters, same as username

I know

ewwhite

or four digits...

MDMarra

How many have a blank password?

ewwhite

incrementing by 1

@MDMarra 2 people

MDMarra

hahaha

MikeyB

@ewwhite hah, that's funny, I have one sitting on my desk that I just got.

Tom O'Connor

15:20

@ewwhite Oh, that's not too bad.

ewwhite

@TomO'Connor It doesn't do well with clients... people buying $7,000 servers don't like to see that

@MDMarra 393 password hashes cracked, 93 left

Tom O'Connor

@ewwhite Yeah, but I'm looking for a sub 1000 GBP server, and I don't care too much

ewwhite

@TomO'Connor yeah, you can do it

pauska

@ewwhite or the support engineers

remember the tweet I showed you? the brent ozar guys..

ewwhite

@pauska but I have clients who are determined to do it..

pauska

15:22

the ones who claimed that it was fine to put consumer ssd's inside dell servers

ewwhite

@pauska and didn't they fail?

pauska

and then the dell engineer refused to do work on the server..

ewwhite

haha

pauska

Yeah, storage went down from what I could tell

it really is that simple

even though we know that the consumer ssd's isn't the cause

they still won't give you support on anything at all related to storage failing

even if it's a fuse on the backplane that popped

ewwhite

So I DO use consumer drives in some very specific situations... but not on the new gear.

I've gone to PCIe-based SSDs since HP can't refuse to support them

pauska

15:24

x86 servers are low margins.. SSD's is like klondyke for them

same with HP and their super special custom ram

they give you a tiny bit of extra bandwith, for double the price

ewwhite

@pauska but again, "Smart Memory Authenticated" messages at POST

pauska

they probably saw that half their orders were servers with 8GB of RAM and no extra ram order.. everyone just ordered kingstons

@ewwhite exactly

ewwhite

I think HP is going to lose using these tactics

Focus on the good stuff... ILO4, firmware, performance.

pauska

I'm pretty confident that our next purchase will be Dell

and since you mention iLO.. Dell upgrades the iDRAC on older models aswell

instead of HP, where you have a Windows 3.11 interface on a 4 year old server

while the brand new server is the shizzle ilo

ewwhite

:)

pauska

15:28

they catched up on the firmware bit aswell.. you can download a prebuilt iso

or build your own

ewwhite

I used to be completely anti-dell...

mossy

So I opened a ticket with Dreamhost..

Michael Hampton

What did I hear about HP locking people out of downloads without a support contract?

ewwhite

I'd go to companies and switch them to HP

mossy

pauska

15:29

@MichaelHampton yeah, EVA

ewwhite

but now... after having Supermicro....

pauska

no more storage firmware without a contract

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton THey're locking lots of firmware now. theregister.co.uk/2013/12/23/hewlett_packard_support_clampdown

pauska

proliant aswell.. huh

well, we get 5yr support on everything we buy.. so meh..

I understand that decision

ewwhite

I don't... because HP firmware fixes bugs and adds functionality

Michael Hampton

15:31

Dude, you're getting a Dell.

pauska

I know, I know

I used to hate Dell stuff

ewwhite

so if I go install system at a client... in 2009... and run it for 4 years, I may want to repurpose the server once I've replaced it with a NEW HP box...

pauska

It's just that they give us way more value and less hassle

ewwhite

and I naturally go to update the firmware on the retired system... and can't find it! Or lose access to it

pauska

@ewwhite I wonder how they'll do the lockout though

is it enough to have a single serial number that's valid, and then download the SPP?

ewwhite

15:33

@pauska Last week, when I was on this page, I couldn't access the downloads.

pauska

@ewwhite works for me..

ewwhite

oh, it works now..

Chris S

@pauska It takes a special kind of stupid to think that locking people out of updates that only work on hardware you've already sold is a good idea.. I can't imagine this being implemented with any less than Full Ret-rd.

ewwhite

but last week, it was taking me to a page that said "Access to these updates requires an active support contact"

Michael Hampton

Dell is easy... type in the service tag and they give you everything. Even out of warranty.

ewwhite

15:37

:(

Michael Hampton

And, their web site isn't an ungodly nightmare to navigate.

Tanner

@kce Yeah, we're looking for a new support person. It's entry level and the pay's low compared to Seattle, but rent is cheap here and it's a nice (warm :P) valley. Very laid back workplace with nice people.

@Skyhawk Yup, entry level.

Dan

@TomO'Connor They did it for £100 + £10 postage in the end. Bargain!

Chris S

Got my W2 today! Get to figure out how much the Gubermint owes me.

Dan

@ChrisS Is your government likes ours - extremely good at collecting (From normal people and small companies, anyway - $BigCorp can do what they like) but terrible at paying out?

Chopper3

15:44

@ewwhite from the depths of time..... serverfault.com/q/571316/1435

ewwhite

@Chopper3 I saw it. I could help, but I don't wanna

he needs to update the LO100 firmware.

Chris S

@Dan Eh, if your part of the unwashed masses they're pretty good about both directions. If you're a special snowflake, god help you.

Chopper3

@ewwhite and get a newer box

ewwhite

people seem to hold onto old-ass servers

I wouldn't touch anything older than a G7 today

Dan

@ChrisS Oh, I forget it's pretty normal over there - for most people here their tax is just deducted at the wage point and that's that

Chopper3

15:50

@ewwhite I wish I'd held onto my mint NeXT Cube and NeXT Stations

ewwhite

:(

Michael Hampton

I don't think a DL140 G3 is going to become a collector's item anytime soon...

ewwhite

@Chopper3 that server isn't too old: h20566.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.PAGE/public/kb/…

Chris S

Yeah, we have estimated tax deducted in each paycheck (via one of three systems of estimation, all of which suck). Then at the end of the year we file a "return" to calculate what should have been paid and sort out the difference.

Tanner

@Dan Dunno how it is there, but here was have some control over how much is withheld per paycheck. Some people freeze when they see the form and take maximum withholding (like my wife >_>) and some people ~~lie and say they have 20 kids~~ put a large number in the box so the gubberment will take less throughout year. So... the payout can vary by quite a bit.

ewwhite

15:51

4 DIMM slots

Dan

@ChrisS Yeah, the vast majority of people don't need to do that filing as for most, the only relevant information is your earnings. I actually need to do a "Self Assessment" as we call it, but only because I receive a high level of expenses. I just match the numbers as business expenses, rather than earnings and that's it.

@Tanner I don't think we get a choice - everyone gets a tax code that your employer has to use

ewwhite

@OzgurErdogan Please try a different web browser or delete your browser cache. — ewwhite 6 secs ago

2

A: hp ilo "remote console undefined"

Close your browser. Flush your cache. Open the ILO again. If that does not work, reset the ILO by going to "Diagnostics" and choose "Reset ILO".

Shouldn't web browsers be smarter?

Dan

@ewwhite It's normally a dev failure that

If the page is marked as static, but isn't, it's not really the browsers fault

ewwhite

but do certain browsers cache more aggressively?

Michael Hampton

Devs mark their pages as "cache until the sun burns out and the universe goes cold" and the browser doesn't have a lot of choice in the matter.

Dan

15:57

@ewwhite Yes, but note that Facebook etc don't have this issue

ewwhite

@Dan so newer generation web applications are better about this

Chris S

@Dan Our IRC (Internal Revenue Code) is currently about 7500 8.5x11" pages, or a 24MB PDF.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite No, less stupid developers are better about this.

Dan

@ewwhite Nope, properly coded webapps have always been fine

It's all about your headers

And occasionally sessions

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