The Comms Room

voretaq7

00:04

@freiheit Turtle Wax man!

Anonymous

perlhacks.com/2014/01/blogs-perl-org

freiheit

@voretaq7 That does not look even remotely organic, vegan and/or bacon-infused. I believe you may be unclear on the most basic principles of hipsterism.

Anonymous

somebody hacked blogs.perl.org... hrgh

voretaq7

@freiheit "Wear tight pants until man parts fall off"

I understand hipsterism, I'm just not interested in it :)

@PatoSáinz HOORAY!

Anonymous

@voretaq7 it wasn't that "chaotic" tho lol

Anonymous

00:07

at least no "oh noes" like when openssl got hacked, mongoHQ and others

Anonymous

because we perl people know how to compute in computers

freiheit

@PatoSáinz You don't install the latest perl with curl http://perl.org/install.sh | sh?

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Anonymous

@freiheit i'm too cool for install.sh scripts... just use a tarball. Also I don't remember if that was ever a method for installing perl.

Anonymous

You can use perlbrew too

freiheit

@PatoSáinz I'm pretty sure it never was, but it does seem to be for some stuff out there... shudder

Anonymous

00:11

@freiheit devops preferred method is of course curl | sh

voretaq7

@freiheit it wouldn't surprise me.

Anonymous

I was lurking /g/ and the amount of doge simply surprised me, it's even more doge than here

Anonymous

doge overflow

Magellan

@PatoSáinz That's exactly how you install Chef.

Anonymous

that meme ain't even worthful

Anonymous

00:14

@Magellan at least there are other ways to install it... right?

Magellan

@PatoSáinz sort of?

And curl | sh is definitely the recommended way

freiheit

@Magellan .... at least they send me to an http*s* URL... curl -L https://www.opscode.com/chef/install.sh | bash

Magellan

@freiheit because that matters from the command line?

freiheit

but right underneath they have a package I can just download... but they sure make the curl|sh thing easier to see. getchef.com/chef/install

Magellan

it used to be that curl | sh had the latest stuff and the deb/rpm was a bit behind.

freiheit

00:17

@Magellan I don't know about how your system is set up, but my curl checks certs by default, so it makes it a tiny bit less evil

Magellan

@freiheit you could be right. I assumed it wasn't doing much of that since I wasn't getting prompted. Because, you know, most people spend time poring over the stacktrace output of their curl downloads. =P

freiheit

@Magellan Somewhere out there you'll find instructions for curl -L --insecure ... | sh

Magellan

indeed. The reasonably respectable return was from someone at UCSF.

kce

00:48

There's probably no way GNUPG and Windows EFS are compatible huh?

cole

@ewwhite are you around?

ewwhite

@cole yep

Andrew

"pics or it didn't happen" applies to helpdesk soooo much

cole

@ewwhite quick question for you - have a friend/client who is looking to build a more sophisticated infrastructure (does web dev/marketing/hosting for his clients)

ewwhite

mmmhmm

cole

00:59

only 2 servers (mac mini's) right now - probably will be adding a 3rd server this year - do you do vSphere Essentials for clients this size? or something else?

Journeyman Geek

o0

@cole: Mac minis are servers? ;p

(oh, I guess apple considers them so)

cole

@JourneymanGeek apple.com/mac-mini/server

Journeyman Geek

@cole: I still think thats a really wierd thing for apple to do ;p

cole

hey it's a nice small footprint

Journeyman Geek

(and that they'd sell loads of a rackmount version of the dustbin)

cole

01:01

and it's working well for him - his sites are responsive and smooth

Magellan

@cole hipster server

cole

He's looking to get more sophisticated - this guy is extremely smart

@Magellan this is my friend that I'm talking about:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island_Soft_Systems

Journeyman Geek

@Tanner I do, they're brilliant ;p

cole

Dude owned Screensaver.com in the 90's early 2000's and made a mill off of selling it.

Magellan

@cole ok. opinion revised.

cole

01:03

He also wrote the credit card processing CVS uses to this day....when he was 24

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson nearly all laptop keyboards suck balls. Thinkpads were the last vestige of proper keyboards and they went tits up. I'd be a hipster but I suggest that a small external keyboard, maybe even an ergonomic one is a VERY good idea

Magellan

tbh, if that thing had real drives in it, I'd be far less dismissive. 5400rpm 1TB drives are ridiculously down-scale these days.

Journeyman Geek

(seriously, flat keys as the only option is annoying)

cole

@Magellan he doesn't have like crazy intensive websites

Magellan

I don't even buy drives that slow for my hand-built servers at home.

cole

01:04

they're all fairly simple - but they do look nice

Journeyman Geek

@Magellan: I think those are 2.5 inchers

cole

like: www.nrihockey.com

Magellan

@cole backups take forever with drives that slow.

@JourneymanGeek yes. they are.

ewwhite

@cole thinking...

cole

@Magellan he's realizing that now

Journeyman Geek

01:05

so not much choice there, no?

(though, if I didn't need space, I'd just swap those suckers for SSDs. whooosh)

Magellan

@cole If it were me, I'd get a pair of 600G SSDs from different lots and RAID those. But those drives cost almost as much as that entire server package.

cole

@Magellan yeah and I think he's willing to buy some newer hardware too

these have worked "for now"

ewwhite

@cole Does your friend need virtualization?

cole

@ewwhite yes

Andrew

vmware essentials

cole

01:07

@Andrew that's my thought

ewwhite

I wouldn't say that.

Andrew

on something from the whitelist. in a 2-host cluster.

cole

he doesn't have these in a data center and he doesn't make enough of the hosting to make co-lo worth it

Andrew

Ok, so AWS?

Magellan

@cole I'm mostly just being an ass. still recovering from being sick. Some reasonably fast platter drives should suffice as long as he's not compiling anything from tarballs.

ewwhite

01:07

Mac Mini -> VMware doesn't make sense...

cole

@Andrew not making enough to make it worth it

ewwhite

we're missing something

what applications need to be hosted/virtualized

Andrew

what's teh workload...

Magellan

@cole VPS?

cole

@ewwhite he has Windows boxes running in Fusion on OS X server. IIS/PHPMySQL

ewwhite

01:09

Oh, okay. That makes more sense.

Magellan

Hell, for that matter an AWS small instance might work if the workload really is that light.

cole

He has no interest in using Linux, he wants to stay with Windows.

@Magellan I'm going to mention it

Which is fine - he's comfortable with IIS

ewwhite

@cole @MDMarra and his cronies would recommend Hyper-V

ESXi is easy

cole

No - I don't think Hyper-V is a good move

ewwhite

start with one server...

cole

01:10

ESXi, yes.

or even KVM.

ewwhite

no to KVM

Magellan

KVM is very linuxy.

cole

I want to set this up for him so he rarely has to call me

ewwhite

ESXi.

cole

I'll be putting in a Sonicwall, and some other networking stuff

ewwhite

01:10

buy Essentials for $500

use a proper server if hosted locally

cole

@ewwhite ok, that's what I recommended

jscott

1 min ago, by cole

I want to set this up for him so he rarely has to call me

cole

He wants something quiet/low power. The mini's have been good for that

jscott

Famous last words.

cole

@jscott he's an extremely smart dude - see above

ewwhite

01:12

that's not a good requirement.

cole

and performance has not been an issue, whatsoever

He works out of his house, his basement to be exact

Journeyman Geek

I'm probably going to hate myself for saying these, but I wonder if you can throw esx on a NUC

cole

@JourneymanGeek thought that too

jscott

@cole I'm sure, I believe you. I wish you the best. Making decisions for others, particularly smart and capable ones, is difficult.

cole

Core i5/i7 w/ ESXi would be plenty for him

Andrew

01:13

@cole fatal flaw

cole

@jscott he's a good dude - known him for years

ewwhite

@cole HP ProLiant ML350 Gen8.

Journeyman Geek

they're about the same form factor/size as a mac mini, there's core i7 versions, you can probably throw on a mssd for the OS, and a 2.5 inch system drive

cole

@ewwhite don't think he's looking to spend that much

Andrew

"I don't want to use Linux" to host a PHP/SQL stack?

cole

01:14

He's only making $800/month off hosting

Andrew

"wrote 1 smart thing" != "smart"

Journeyman Geek

the fatal flaw for me is, really that you're limited to (iirc) 8gb of ram, and if you get the right version, a single small drive

@Andrew: and there's different sorts of smart ;p

ewwhite

@cole $3k or bust

cole

@ewwhite definitely going to talk to him about it.

Andrew

and "I wrote a very specialised program and made money off it" != "I know how to host a website"

cole

01:15

He said his clients owe him in the $26K range right now

Magellan

@ewwhite that's about what an entire rack is running in a DC nowadays, isn't it?

Journeyman Geek

@cole: thats not smart

cole

@JourneymanGeek but he's made much more than that

he's very successful

Like - he's already paid all his people (set aside), etc

Andrew

@cole successful (generally) == !smart

cole

the money that he's waiting on right now is all his.

@Andrew see above

@Andrew chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13431909#13431909

Not his first rodeo

He's made millions.

Magellan

01:17

@cole but but, we're supposed to be grumpy sysadmins. You're taking all the fun out of it for us, you know.

Journeyman Geek

;p

cole

haha

He's been a sysadmin!

He knows

but the biggest wrench in this isn't any of this stuff

He's my ex girlfriend's boss

Journeyman Geek

lol

cole

the one who I got a job last summer/moved here for/lives right down the street

ya

Journeyman Geek

@cole: its another job. ;p

cole

01:19

@JourneymanGeek did I mention - any work I do for him or this kinda joint venture we're going down - I'll have to work with her...she's the PM.

Andrew

The Wikipedia article reads "a company that made some hilarious shareware stuff"

Journeyman Geek

@cole: Ok, potentially arkward but only if you let it be.

cole

@Andrew still made a buttload.

He sold screensaver.com for $1mil

Andrew

@cole doesn't make it smart...

cole

Well he is extremely smart

and I really look up to him

So I have to say - I'm pretty honored he'd ask for my help.

Scott Pack

01:21

@Shane.

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Yo.

Andrew

@cole ok, 1. budget 2. constraints 3. get multiple quotes

if it's business, make it professional.

cole

Going to have dinner with him next week - he said he will go into more detail

sounds like he may go ahead and drop some $$$

from what he's saying now

Andrew

don't be blinded by "I'm a Microsoft fanboy and I hate Linus's guts because he's European"

cole

I'm not - but he does all the IIS stuff and his other devs.

Not going to go in and say "Throw all this MS shit out and put in Linux which you and none of your devs are familiar with!"

Andrew

01:28

For .NET or PHP/MySQL?

cole

They do both

Andrew

PHP on IIS... yuck.

cole

Yeah - it is yuck, but again - I don't have to deal with it - that's all him

Scott Pack

I recommend keeping the Windows stack with .NET, since they're used to it, but dumping IIS for Apache and dropping MS-SQL for MySQL.

cole

He's using MySQL

jscott

01:29

@ScottPack I honestly can't tell if serious.

Scott Pack

@jscott Dude. I have definitely earned more respect than that.

jscott

Do you need to stick Mono in there to get Windows + .Net + Apache + MySQL?

I guess I have no idea how .Net and Apache would get on together.

Andrew

Wait, did you say it was hosted in his basement?

cole

Yes - he has business class fiber

finished basement

Journeyman Geek

@cole: honestly, considering what he's running, the lamp stack makes more sense

Andrew

01:34

UPS / generator / fire suppression? raised floor? flood prevention?

Scott Pack

@jscott Probably, but for the record, that sounds like a fucking terrible idea.

jscott

The twist is his basement is a IV colo facility.

Journeyman Geek

@jscott: oh, everyone wants one of those ;p

cole

Ok he's SMB guys - not enterprise

two mac mini's

Shane Madden

@jscott mod_mono I guess? Never tried it myself because.. why?

Journeyman Geek

01:34

(and hell, imagine what you'll save on heating bills!)

cole

he caters to SMBs too

jscott

@ShaneMadden hahaaha!

cole

but thanks @ewwhite for the input

Andrew

If his turnover is over $1M, colo. Seriously.

cole

I'll see what he says next week

Scott Pack

01:35

@ShaneMadden So he can use mod_rewrite to pass everything through HA Proxy. Clearly.

Shane Madden

@ScottPack No, no, through Apache then an nginx instance on the same box. Then HAProxy. To another Apache instance.

jscott

Now you're thinking with DevOps.

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Andrew

"Hosted in our state-of-the art CEO's basement"...

oooh, I have a cunning plan

Scott Pack

Jesus! I'm having so many connection issues lately that my access point could be on a Cialis commercial.

2

Andrew

Have it on AWS but proxied through the mac minis in his basement! He'll keep thinking he's all hipster and stuff but he'll actually have some data security without realising!

cole

01:38

Well I'm off to bed

night guys

jscott

@cole cya.

Scott Pack

Yarr

Journeyman Geek

01:52

lol

(funny thing is I really see both sides of the argument here... and wondering if a dedicated server might be a smarter idea..)

I have/do host stuff off my home server, with an odd amount of reliability (My main point of failure is me deciding I don't need a home server, then realising there's something I can't be arsed to keep running on my main systems)

Magellan

@RyJones Good evening, Fine Sir!

Ry Jones

@Magellan good evening to you, sir! How are you doing?

ewwhite

@cole mmmhmm

Magellan

@RyJones got the flu, but recovering slowly. Also very dopey and stupid this evening, which is entertaining to Lady.

Ry Jones

@Andrew we're trying to find somewhere to host some mac minis for us. Open source projects + supports iOS == hard nut to crack without buying one

ewwhite

01:55

illegally virtualize it

Ry Jones

@Magellan well, good for both of you I guess :)

@ewwhite not in the cards

Magellan

@RyJones How's you and yours this evening?

Ry Jones

Linux Foundation would kill us

Andrew

@RyJones hopefully not in someone's basement though.

Magellan

@RyJones Besides, how would your main office put asset tags on virtual machines? MUST TAG ALL THE THINGS.

Journeyman Geek

01:56

@RyJones: I seem to remember one... one moment

Ry Jones

@Magellan OK, I'm here late trying to undo some shenanigans foisted upon us by legal

@JourneymanGeek we have two we're looking at. there are issues beyond finding the physical hosting

Andrew

@Magellan or put "cabling" in an asset system. "but it exceeded the spending threshhold, that makes it an asset!" Yes, because you can totally rip it out of the walls and sell it... hmm, actually you could...

Ry Jones

like, who gets the license from Apple? Who clicks through?

Andrew

@RyJones just murder them, it's easier

Ry Jones

@Andrew no argument from me

Magellan

01:58

@RyJones ugh. yeah, I have a few of those "fun" situations that I get to deal with.

Journeyman Geek

@RyJones: IIRC the guys who host the raspi-foundation do it

Michael Hampton

Apple has a license?

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton there are a bunch for click throughs to get XCode running.

Journeyman Geek

kinda expensive tho

Ry Jones

@Magellan I wouldn't put it beyond them, actually, to try that

Michael Hampton

01:59

@RyJones Oh, you mean those screens full of gibberish?

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton lawyers read those

None of my challenges at work are technical. They're legal.

Michael Hampton

I'm not a lawyer. I can read Objective-C, more or less, but I have to call a translator to read a EULA.

Ry Jones

regardless, LF is loathe to click through some shit for us

Journeyman Geek

@RyJones: what's the issues with running them in house then? That would get around most of the legal BS

Ry Jones

@JourneymanGeek it means we would be shipping copies of OpenSSL, basically, is the nut of the problem

Journeyman Geek

02:01

@MichaelHampton: I can usually understand EULAs, when I don't fall asleep half way

@RyJones: ... ow.

Anonymous

any excuses for building home servers?

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: lots.

Ry Jones

it doesn't matter, the lawyers will hug it out.

Journeyman Geek

I wouldn't run production stuff on em ;p

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek please elaborate

Anonymous

02:02

also just as a learning experience i'd dedicate one of the two boxes i have available as servers to windows... it's useful irl experience nonetheless

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: You have stuff that 1) you need running all the time 2) you don't want to have a personal system on for all the time 3) want to test out but don't want to dedicate your personal system to

Michael Hampton

I leave my personal system on all the time.

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton sorta same

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek then why not VM under your personal system?

Michael Hampton

My personal system also has 14 VMs and five LXC containers. And one of those VMs has two nested VMs. And one of those nested VMs is running FreeBSD jails.

MikeyB

02:05

@PatoSáinz My linux desktop kind of turned into a VM server. Two AD servers, FreeBSD storage server, a few test servers, IPv6-only test network, a few Windows boxes for stuff, a Windows box with Visual Studio, a docker host, pfSense…

Anonymous

vmception

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton i heard you liked VMs inside your VMs

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: I don't want my personal system on all the time

Andrew

@MichaelHampton but how many layers of ESXi do you have?

MikeyB

… with mirrored 200GB SSDs, a couple 750GB HDDs pulled from a NetApp, 4×1TB HDDs…

Journeyman Geek

02:06

The moment you use your personal system that way, its a server.

Michael Hampton

@Andrew Zero

Journeyman Geek

@Andrew: WE MUST GO DEEPER!

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek lifetime is negiglibe however

MikeyB

… and a Fusion-IO card.

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: Power use, and case lights ;p

Anonymous

02:07

@JourneymanGeek well, for the case lights, good ol' duct tape is your friend

Journeyman Geek

I'm pretty seriously considering swapping out my oldschool 1.6ghz atom for a newer NUC

@PatoSáinz: I like my desktop looking pretty ;p

Shane Madden

@MikeyB I'm not the only one anymore!

Andrew

virtuallyghetto.com/2011/07/…

> Note: You will not be able to run a 4th level nested 64bit VM (I have tried by further passing the HV instructions in the nested guest) and it will just boot up and spin your CPUs for hours.

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek that's called ricing or more politely, modding afaik

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: also redundancy.

MikeyB

02:08

@Andrew ARGHHH

ewwhite

home servers...

hmmm

Anonymous

who needs more than one level of VMs anyway?

jscott

@PatoSáinz It's hypervisors all the way down.

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MikeyB

@PatoSáinz Other than a lxc/docker host or FreeBSD jails, nyet. (those don't really count anyways)

ewwhite

My home server is pimpin'

Andrew

02:10

Journeyman Geek

I'd be surprised at people here not having home servers

Scott Pack

Having virtualization clusters is exceptionally important so guests can be shifted around hosts so you can perform maintenance. As such I run KVM on my desktop computer and have 6 ESXi guests in two clusters.

Andrew

I have a "home server" (well, HTPC)...

with an i3!

Shane Madden

My storage system at home is a low power i3. Does the job just fine, though if I were buying it today it'd probably be one of those 8-core atoms

Journeyman Geek

heh. Trying to justify a proper storage system :/ ;p

Anonymous

02:13

i've seen these android apps where you can start/stop SSHd, FTPd and a whole AMP stack via tapping the screen

Journeyman Geek

at the moment, 'big' storage for me is on my desktop

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek Don't bother. Get a motherboard with a fuckload of SATA ports and throw FreeNAS on it.

Shane Madden

@PatoSáinz So, tomtom's phone?

Anonymous

seems useful if you have one of those bloat phones with 8 cores and lots of rams

Journeyman Geek

@ScottPack: thats a proper storage system ;p

right now I'm backing up to a 500gb hard drive connected to a raspberry pi over smb.

ewwhite

02:14

(why do so many gravitate to FreeNAS?)

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek I need to do that. Right now mine is running on what I had sitting in the box, which was a PC-Chips board and 2 sata ports.

Journeyman Geek

@ewwhite: low cost, simple.

Scott Pack

@ewwhite Because it's complicated enough to get all the necessary whistles but easy.

Michael Hampton

Where the hell is FreeSAN?

Journeyman Geek

its one step above buying a nas off the shelf in terms of flexibility

Andrew

02:15

@ShaneMadden mine is a mythtv box... needs mroe GPUS

ewwhite

I need @ShaneMadden

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Hello sir!

Scott Pack

@Andrew What do you use as your frontend?

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden I've been trying to test this new virtual SAN software for VMware called Maxta... maxta.com

@ShaneMadden and the installer has been a shitfest.

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Interesting, I hadn't heard of that one. Looks similar to pernixdata.com I think?

ewwhite

02:18

Shane Madden

@ewwhite That's terrifying.

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden similar

it's a crowded space...

Andrew

@ScottPack that is my frontend. combined.

ewwhite

Andrew

has a sandy bridge i3, 4GB RAM, NVIDIA GT520...

ewwhite

02:19

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Interesting. Any errors in the vSphere client when the vswitch creation "fails"?

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden So I've been going back and forth with their support.

no errors...

I got a dump from their installer...

Shane Madden

Maybe funky API issues.. is the vCenter maybe not the version their stuff expects?

ewwhite

and their engineers say....

Scott Pack

@Andrew Kids today.

ewwhite

02:20

The engineer mentioned that it is because

> one of the Disk has VMK Diagonastic partition.

If you can provide a time, I can have the engineer be on the webex session so that we can install the product.

So I'm thinking of aborting it entirely...

the idea of converged compute and storage is great... a holy grail

MikeyB

@ewwhite Oh god, if only you could configure GPFS on ESXi.

Andrew

@ScottPack yeah, I used to have an old IBM SFF desktop...

ewwhite

but I really don't want to have a webex to step through a Windows installer for this product.

Andrew

This is the case it's all in: silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=82

ewwhite

it looks like it's using ZFS on the backend... so it's a clustered filesystem on top of ZFS presented to ESXi

MikeyB

02:23

@ewwhite "How about you guys nail down your installer and THEN I'll try it out."

Scott Pack

I'm using a SilverStone for my primary frontend. It's rather attractive.

Andrew

@ScottPack small problem of having to pull the thing apart to change disks :(

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Hmm. I guess if they're right, you could try nuking the core dump partition yourself and try the install again? esxcli system coredump partition list .. esxcli system coredump partition set --unconfigure

Andrew

Though mine is in a cabinet with a (glass) door, so you can't see too much of it.

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden but really, these were new filesystems built just for this...

there's no sanity checking in the installer

Shane Madden

02:27

@ewwhite Yeah, that's definitely concerning.

ewwhite

I had to beg for an approach to select the disk that I could install to;

Scott Pack

curl http://maxta.com/installer/installme.img | dd of=/dev/sda bs=4096

Bam. Instant installer. You should recommend that.

@jscott For the record. That's a joke.

Shane Madden

@ScottPack I wouldn't put that past some vendors.

ewwhite

:)

Scott Pack

@ewwhite Earlier this evening @jscott seemed to have trouble with sarcasm. I just wanted to be clear.

ewwhite

02:31

d'oh.... I was just trying that

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden I think that's how you provision new SMB mounts with an ArcaNAS.

jscott

@ScottPack Thanks for clearing that one up. I'd had a rough day and had not applied the correct amount of alcohol yet.

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Wait, seriously?

jscott

Here we go again.

Scott Pack

@jscott I don't think you're the only one who's dangerously sober.

Shane Madden

02:33

@ScottPack Heh, working on that.

jscott

@ScottPack Still getting over a bit of a cold. Just sank a Founders Dirty Bastard and it's done all but clear my sinuses better than any meds.

Scott Pack

How was it?

Shane Madden

I'm drinking one of these: beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/147/38470

JohnD

►

Scott Pack

@jscott Speaking of sinus clearing! I had a bit of my friend's of this a few weeks ago. beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/263/727

It kind of hits you in the nose and is just about the strangest beer experience I've had.

jscott

02:39

@ShaneMadden Lucky you, I've not seen that around here yet.

Scott Pack

Best. Review. Ever.

> This beer is black as Darth Vader's Suit's Ass blasting through the galaxy like a fuckin' Dark Lord. It's got a hypnotic, spiderweb style foam canvassing itself across the plain. The foam looks like coral sitting on top of somehow liquid coal.

jscott

@ScottPack Pretty good, granted my taste and smell is stunted by the congestion. But this wasn't an overly sweet scotch ale. Would drink again.

Andrew

@JohnD Mar 31, 2012

JohnD

@Andrew oops. I saw it posted recently elsewhere

Andrew

@JohnD Does it show up as April 1 for you or is the internal timestamp in UTC?

Shane Madden

02:42

@jscott Their stuff's a bit hard to find here since they're out of state, but a few places around have it.

Andrew

(I'm from the future)

Scott Pack

@jscott I enjoyed a growler of this not too long ago. It was quite yummo. beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1432/45764

JohnD

@Andrew It shows up as the 31st for me.

jscott

@ScottPack Love the Internets. Review 1: "Absolutely horrible. Worst beer by far I have had", Review 2: "This is the best German brew ever in my humble opinion."

Andrew

@JohnD hmmm they were early then

Scott Pack

02:43

@jscott It tastes like a campfire smells.

Andrew

@ScottPack hoppy?

Scott Pack

Which can be amazing or horrifying depending on your mood and the person.

jscott

@ScottPack 10.5% a whole growler?! Geez man, are you part machine?

Scott Pack

@jscott Fine. Half a growler. I had company.

Danila Ladner

02:56

@ewwhite What is the difference between 380 and 385?

DL

Shane Madden

@DanilaLadner Intel/AMD

Scott Pack

@DanilaLadner About 5.

Danila Ladner

Oh.

memory is different as well i guess?

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