The Comms Room

freiheit

00:00

@MichaelHampton I'm looking at either the RHEL software collection or being really quick to get RHEL7 up and running. (I have several months to worry about it)

Except getting RHEL7 going right requires upgrading our puppet server stuff, since RHEL7's ruby is too new for a 2.x puppet.

I kept meaning to get around to working on that puppet thing...

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton A local mirror of Remi

Michael Hampton

@freiheit I've deployed a couple of things onto Fedora, with plans to migrate them onto RHEL 7 when it's available.

MDMarra

lol, Linux config management

Joel E Salas

@freiheit You really need to update your puppet.

freiheit

@JoelESalas yes. yes I do.

Ry Jones

00:01

@JoelESalas to something spelled "chef"

Michael Hampton

Oh god, not another religious debate.

freiheit

@RyJones whatever

user205537

guys i know that's not a live support but i searched alot and alot now more than 20 hour searching for a solution for How to connect from centos to l2tp vpn server using command line
i hope if any one here could help me
http://serverfault.com/questions/567929/how-to-connect-from-centos-to-l2tp-vpn-server-using-command-line

MDMarra

@user205537 Are you really using RHEL4?

user205537

no iam using centos 6

Michael Hampton

00:03

@user205537 Your question should explain exactly what you did, in detail. It's not sufficient to only link to some external resource and say you followed it. You also need to include exactly the errors you received.

MDMarra

@user205537 Then why have you linked to docs from RHEL 4, which is about a decade old now?

user205537

if i found a way i will tell you what is the errors i found :D

Joel E Salas

@RyJones Chef is for amateurs

user205537

but untill now i don't find a way

the same documentation is on centos

MDMarra

You're not using CentOS 4

freiheit

00:04

@user205537 4 != 6

user205537

i mean in centos wiki you will find the same thing

MDMarra

RHEL 4 documentation isn't the same as CentOS 6

user205537

oO

do you have an idea for doing that in centos 6 using command line?

MDMarra

RHEL 6 == CentOS6

Michael Hampton

Find the RHEL 6 documentation?

user205537

00:05

all people are explain that in desktop environment :D

only in ubuntu command line its so easy

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okay i will search in centos 6 documentation thanks

Ry Jones

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Q: 64bit vs 32bit on mobile devices with 2gb ram - is there any sense?

I'm not sure if this question fits ServerFault, but I hope it does. Today I took part in na interesting discussion. Someone said that's great that Apple goes 64bit with their iPhone 5S. Of course I mentioned about no need for 64bits paired with 2 gigs of RAM, but then I started to wonder - is the...

mossy

@user205537 Yeah. i agree

MDMarra

Yep, bash is so much better on Ubuntu

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra Ubuntu doesn't use bash.

MDMarra

wait

since when

Joel E Salas

00:07

Dash dude

Michael Hampton

Ubuntu has bash available, but uses dash as the default shell.

Joel E Salas

since like 5 years?

MDMarra

...since when

Well, I guess i've just dated my Ubuntu experience

Joel E Salas

Ever wonder why nothing that was written for RHEL EVER works on ubuntu?

Michael Hampton

Since Lucid, or so.

Joel E Salas

00:08

no packages, no installers, etc?

it's because of dash

Michael Hampton

Yes, and I've also noticed how programs written for Ubuntu never work on RHEL...but in those cases it's the developer's fault.

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton How are those Fedora servers holding up? I'm halfway tempted to test some stuff on it...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MichaelHampton no it does not.

@MichaelHampton /bin/sh is dash, but bash is the default interactive shell.

Joel E Salas

@DennisKaarsemaker fffff are you SERIOUS? that explains everything

Fuck that's pants-on-head retarded

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mossy

lol

user205537

00:10

https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Deployment_Guide/sec-Establishing_a_VPN_Connection.html
another explanation in desktop environment :D

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JoelESalas it was an attempt to speed up booting without going for an actual init system

Joel E Salas

@DennisKaarsemaker I get that, it just explains why scripting anything was about 95% ok and then 5% FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

Dennis Kaarsemaker

it's about as retarted as writing #!/bin/sh as interpreter and using features that are bash-only

so the blame is 50/50

if you want to use bash features, use #!/bin/bash

Joel E Salas

I always do #!/bin/bash because I don't hate America

MDMarra

respect

Dennis Kaarsemaker

00:12

then you don't run into dash issues :)

user205537

just a simple question guys why every one in rhel or centos provide an explanation for how to establish vpn connection in desktop environment and never explained how to do that using command line! :D

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas My Zabbix server is solid. My FreeIPA server I'm holding on F19 because of some late-breaking bugs in F20 that I haven't heard are fixed yet.

MDMarra

@user205537 You should be looking at the syntax on how to create the interface

Then you just use ifup <vpn-interface> to start the connection

tylerl

@MDMarra ...at least in theory.

MDMarra

:)

Michael Hampton

00:21

@JoelESalas Though it seems they have resolved those issues since last time I looked. And the new asterisk server isn't in production yet, but it also appears solid so far.

user205537

00:32

@MDMarra i think iam going to install x on vps and add l2tp vpn to see what's happen in the background
route & iptables & interfaces

Journeyman Geek

@user205537: don't forget to use a headless x server, not a regular one.

@user205537: google.com.sg/search?q=ltp+vpn+/etc/…

(There, that should get you started ;))

note the keywords. Learn the Google.

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton Just today there was an SELinux issue

Anonymous

00:56

Oh god

Anonymous

The mobile ui is awful

Anonymous

Sup @journeymangeek

Anonymous

On the coach atm, on my way to the country

ewwhite

Sitting at a bar. On my iPad.

Loser.

Anonymous

Lol :13259471

Anonymous

01:04

Whatever, i clearly fail at mobile uis

Danila Ladner

01:17

sitting at home, on the laptop. double loser

mossy

01:52

privateinternetaccess.com

yes or no?

jscott

@mossy I'd be more inclined to ask why?

mossy

@jscott To be honest, i'm kinda bored and want to route all my traffic through DD-WRT -> VPN

Can't hurt, right?

jscott

02:07

@mossy Carry on then. :) It certainly won't hurt anything.

mossy

@jscott :D

Faster than I expected.

Ryan Ries

02:22

@mossy That's what she said

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas Oh no! What did you do?

Michael Hampton

02:39

@mossy But why?

mossy

@MichaelHampton Why VPN or why use a VPN provider?

Michael Hampton

@mossy Why VPN at all?

mossy

@MichaelHampton So i can read conspiracy theories and do other weird things online.

@MichaelHampton ( My buddy gave me a key for sparklabs.com/viscosity )

Decided to use it.

Then I decided I want to route my network through DD-WRT

and here i am.

Reading conspiracy theories and watching laggy Netflix.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, if I wanted to watch Seasons 1-87 of "Buffering" I would get a VPN.

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mossy

haha

I like this client though. Pretty nice.

voretaq7

03:15

So @citi/@Citibank sold my loan servicing to #Seterus, who charge $5 for online payments. Guess we'll be killing some trees, eh? Ridiculous.

Tweeted by voretaq7 on January 18, 2014 at 2:59 AM

That would upset me less if Seterus wasn't an IBM company

It's the 21st century - do any of you folks have a mortgage company that actually charges you to give them money?

jscott

@voretaq7 The local utilities company here charges for online payments and they will only do auto-pay from a checking account.

Of note, it appears at least some of their IT is built upon Notes/Domino as the favicon is pervasive throughout various portions of their customer service site.

voretaq7

@jscott so does ours. They get paper cheques from me too

I don't get it. Processing the paper has to cost them more too

jscott

The city here also charges for online payments of fees, parking tickets, etc. Nice little way to grab a few extra bucks I suppose.

voretaq7

03:38

@jscott yeah that's pretty normal here too. But companies you have an established business relationship with - that bugs me

especially when they call it a "convenience fee"

Michael Hampton

If the city wanted to make it convenient, they could just not issue the damn parking ticket in the first place.

jscott

@voretaq7 The ol' switcheroo.

@MichaelHampton But how would they cover the cost of their parking-meter-free-parking-meter-computer-thing?

They ripped out the coin meters and installed some RedBox-style thing that prints a receipt you place on your dash.

Michael Hampton

@jscott True story. My gf got one of these little parking meter computer things that sits on her dashboard when she parks downtown. They load US dollars on it and then she hits the button whenever she parks in one of the various zones. It turns out that for over a year it never took off any credit, because its clock was 12 hours off. AM versus PM.

And of course the parking nazis didn't notice for a very, very long time.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton awesomesauce.

jscott

@MichaelHampton Ha! Well at least they're utilizing their information systems for efficiency.

Michael Hampton

03:44

Efficiency my ass.

MikeyB

04:22

@MDMarra Solaris.

@user205537 cnetworkmanager (if it's set up in Network Manager) or just run openvpn.

Thalmic Labs - holy shit. These guys have the secret sauce. Wearable armband that picks up your arm movements. And hand gestures. Without a camera. It picks up the muscle movements in your arm to figure out what your hand is doing.

Journeyman Geek

@MikeyB: I can see that being useful for prostetics.

Journeyman Geek

05:14

arstechnica.com/security/2014/01/…

I'll be in my cave.

Michael Hampton

05:25

My refrigerator has nothing more complicated than an ice maker, and it's going to stay that way.

Falcon Momot

06:28

howl

I forgot how much I hated replacing laptop screens. now I have been reminded.

still not something I would pay someone $100 to do for me though.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot Weird. I replaced the screen in my netbook in about 10 minutes. It was quite simple.

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton it's not the complexity, but the stupid snaps.

this one is annoying because it has a screen cover

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot Oh yeah, I had to be careful to not break the plastic.

Falcon Momot

and also there is some light piping to worry about underneath

and now I have a matte screen (unlike the original), 720p (unlike the other replacement), and not cracked.

Michael Hampton

Yeah, "not cracked" is the best part.

Falcon Momot