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MDMarra

21:00

:)

Chris K

@MDMarra oh snap!! Well, I was REALLY working when not on chat before... since there was no functioning network. :P

BTW: ~giggle~: What is a 'friendly' way to let managers know that having good developers is a privilege? <---- quit and start your own biz. I did... :/

Dan

@ChrisK I saw that

My thought was "Learn to never ever try and change your managers. Put up and shut up, or leave."

The second you start to try and go against the flow in a company, all you're going to do is become pissed off at the lack of change

MDMarra

My first thought was "If you weren't the kind of moron that would phrase the question like that, your manager probably wouldnt have cared"

Dan

@MDMarra Like I said the other day - I peruse Workplace now. I love it because it reminds me that I'm actually pretty good at dealing with people

Lucas Kauffman

@Dan to be honest, if you are unhappy because you actually have to work, it's not even about bad management

Dan

21:07

@LucasKauffman No, but in a sense I could see his point. I love my current place because it's insanely hands off

Lucas Kauffman

@Dan meh for me it depends, they expect you to work... a lot but they reward you for it too

Dan

I just don't think there's mileage in bothering to change places or people, personally. If you like it - stay, if you don't - leave. End of discussion - everyone will be happier for it

@LucasKauffman Yeah, like th etime I spent a month on site and a few days after i called up because my car had broke. They just told me to fix it (They know I do my own mechanic work) and chuck it in the diary as work from home

Lucas Kauffman

@Dan yea had that at new years eve, I was on standby should a client have a question, normally I need to be at work, but they just let me "work" from home.

Dan

:)

It's nice when workplaces are nice! They certainly get more from their staff and it's a shame the dickheads have never sussed that out

Lucas Kauffman

or for instance when I was pulling 60 hour weeks they didn't really care that I was gone for 1.5 hours to buy a new video card :p

@Dan yea that changed with us after half the staff went out

@Dan we need to remind them from time to time, but tbh they have changed for the better

Dan

21:15

My old place became stupidly anal

It was infuriating - and the most annoying bit is that it was caused by a few people but the company were too frightened to actually tell THEM to behave, and instead started imposing pathetic rules

MDMarra

My last job let you work from home one day a week but it wasnt worth it. If the manager called you and you didnt answer IMMEDIATELY, it was an inquisition

Dan

Not that I ever cared - I always believed my work spoke for itself and nobody ever dared question my attendance or timing

MDMarra

Now, I have a job where I can work from home whenever I want as much as I want as long as I dont need to be onsite with a customer

Dan

@MDMarra Yep, I'd have never worked from home at my old palce

Chris K

@LucasKauffman also, at my biz, I bend over backwards to ensure my employees know how much I appreciate their work. I can't pay them enough (probably ever) but every chance I get, I add amenities, beer, and cats.

Dan

21:16

Though Lync helps, I think

Lucas Kauffman

@MDMarra I've been working from home for two weeks in a row and they didn't care. The only time I know they cared about was when that person was benched (so no direct work for a client). They did wonder why he wasn't at the office doing other tasks like admin

Dan

@ChrisK I do love that we have dogs in the office - I don't go in for Google-esque office gimmicks, but anything that makes the place feel more homely is nice

Chris K

We've got 3 cats at work now. 1 of `em thinks he's a dog. Little bastard won my cold heart over too.

MDMarra

@Dan I have two persistent Lync chats open right now, actually

Chris K

Oh and everyone here loves when I set things on fire.

Lucas Kauffman

21:17

@MDMarra you should write a bot to automatically answer

MDMarra

haha

they were Cisco softphones there

HopelessN00b

@ChrisK Linky? We have HP switches in our environment, and I can take a look at the question. No promises... I still think the best practice is to replace them with Ciscos and go all Office Space on them, but... maybe I have something more useful.

Lucas Kauffman

The thing that they also did at our office was open work spaces and everyone was first to work in them, even the partners

MDMarra

I hate that shit

It makes it impossible to concentrate for long stretches

Chris K

@HopelessN00b networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/5868 much apprech

Dan

21:21

What's Open Workspaces?

Chris K

@Dan sea of gophers

MDMarra

Like, just desks and tables and stuff in the middle of the room

and everyone just hangs out

Dan

In think removing assigned desks and forcing people to use hotdesks is the most idiotic dehumanising thing, too

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Lucas Kauffman

@Dan basically all desks are in one space, no one has his own office or own desk

Dan

@MDMarra Ah, right, sounds difficult

Chris K

21:21

@MDMarra oh god that's worse than SoG

Lucas Kauffman

except of course the security team, we have a seperate space

@Dan why? to be honest I don't mind :p

Chris K

@Dan ppl work better when they have their own personal space. And their icons on the desktop. Or not.

MDMarra

@Dan We have offices for most "permanent" office people and hotdesks for engineers

Dan

@LucasKauffman People like to feel like they have a "place"

MDMarra

It works well for us since we're so rarely in the office

Chris K

21:22

@LucasKauffman ... everyone's keyboard has only their own snot and food remnants in them.

voretaq7

@Dan Agreed.

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisK laptop...

Dan

@MDMarra Yeha, that's okay because it's not "your" office as such. If you're home/site based then I wouldn't expect a desk

voretaq7

even if you're in a cube farm having a desk where you can leave pens/paper/your mug is a Good Thing.

Chris K

@LucasKauffman ~takes your laptop~ <--- b/c it's an open office. :P

Lucas Kauffman

21:23

@Dan I don't mind to be honest, it's quite alright

Dan

But if you're office based but spend a lot of time away, then you should have some space

@LucasKauffman I think you're the exception

Lucas Kauffman

@ChrisK that's not really how it works...

MDMarra

Open office, bro

your laptop, my laptop

Chris K

@LucasKauffman no irony there... the more I read about my switch, the more I don't want people able to go anywhere else. That or I'd ensure nothing worked at all unless I had the mac address..

Dan

Right, TV to watch

MDMarra

21:26

@ChrisK You don't want to do switchport-based access control with MAC addresses. You want 802.1x with certificates

Joel E Salas

I want to work somewhere that has a security team

just once

MDMarra

Do you really, though?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JoelESalas booking.com/jobs.html?st=top

Lucas Kauffman

@JoelESalas most people don't really like it when we pass by

some do

most don't

MDMarra

Typically places that have dedicated security teams are massive bureaucracies. Not because security == bureaucracy, but because you can't sustain a dedicated security team's cost until you're pretty large

Lucas Kauffman

21:28

I actually had a system administrator becoming agressive at me because I had gained a shell into one of his servers through a SQL injection. He kept shouting at me that it was not possible

Chris K

@MDMarra : example of how I'm so trailer. :D Yeah, skimmed the last 200 pages of the manual and saw all the security stuff. O_o

MDMarra

:)

voretaq7

@LucasKauffman leave a file somewhere on the system with the date and the words "Yes it is you fatuous windbag."

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HopelessN00b

@ChrisK Oh, wow, that's kind of a big question, innit?

Chris K

@HopelessN00b yeah... but hey the numbered steps, is that the plan?

MDMarra

21:30

I had a client complain that users were auto-enrolling in their SCEP certificate that they use for BYOD stuff. The answer: "One of your admins set the autoenroll permission for the Domain Users group"

Joel E Salas

@DennisKaarsemaker You'd never take me! I'm always in here airing dirty laundry!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JoelESalas as am I :)

Lucas Kauffman

The ones I really like most are the engagements where we are testing a product for a company which was purchased from a third party. Often the sales rep goes: "you won't find anything" and then you rape them so bad that you could almost taste their tears.

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Chris K

@HopelessN00b + my problem is the more time I spend on the question, the more questions I come up with, and the more I research, then the longer the question gets. Epic rabbit-holing nature of i.

Remember My First Sony? Here's my first rack:

I'll never "let friends help" again. Ever. The last two weeks of my life were hell because my friend helped.

HopelessN00b

Well... when you break it down, you're basically asking "how should I design my network?" and then specifying "and configure that design on a ProCurve."

I would take a step back and break out what you want into milestones. 1) Set up basic functionality. 2) Secure network. 3) Add features. 4) Go To 2.

Chris K

21:35

What you can't see (just below) is my RAID. The drives are external, literally bolted to a block of aluminum with copper plated on the other sides.

HopelessN00b

@ChrisK For maximum conductivity, in case you decide to electrocute interlopers?

Chris K

@HopelessN00b right... the problem I had was it doesn't let the network out to the router/firewall. Experimenting means taking work offline (thankfully today is slow and tomorrow is "off").

@HopelessN00b stay outta my g*ddm rack! :D

voretaq7

@ChrisK . . . o_0

Chris K

@voretaq7 trying to find a pic. Sadly, would have been faster to just walk around to it and take a new one with my phone.

Tanner

@ChrisK wat

MDMarra

21:43

^this

Chris K

Hey, I had them IN a case and they were hot to the touch. So I solved the problem. Now they're only luke-warm. Oh, and no AC. (See above lolz pic with 83°F showing)

and my drives last forevvvvvvvvvvvvver

MDMarra

thats terrifying

tombull89

wtf

Basil

@ChrisK that's it, I'm getting one of those

Chris K

Scrap aluminum plate: $30, 4 HDDs: $600, $30,000 CMM arm for measuring. Happy HDDs: priceless.

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Lucas Kauffman

21:53

what the hell is wrong with you?

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Chris K

My last place actually had some AC... the "technology room" was so happy.

@LucasKauffman ex Navy, BSEE, adhd, & business owner

tombull89

So Pornhub did a Reddit I am a...thread last week. This week, it's Brazzers' turn - NSFW naturally.

MDMarra

@ChrisK That's exhaust in the ceiling, right?

Joel E Salas

@tombull89 They didn't talk very much about the web stack, which was disappointing

Chris K

Oh no, that was the source of cold air ... no humidity thankfully...

MDMarra

21:55

@JoelESalas Too busy masturbating furiously

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mossy

@MDMarra same.

wait what

Chris K

@MDMarra I actually know lots of those folks...

MDMarra

@mossy ಠ_ಠ

Tanner

@ChrisK Furious masturbaters?

Joel E Salas

@ChrisK Pornhub?

Chris K

21:56

@JoelESalas go to SF and get a tour of kink.com's area.

Joel E Salas

@ChrisK ... Area?

mossy

@MDMarra ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯ ready to go home man.

Chris K

@JoelESalas i know some ladies

MDMarra

@JoelESalas genitals

Chris K

@JoelESalas well, "tech corner" isn't enough... more like a street.

Literally. Huge pipes with bundles of 3/0 electric cables coming in lining the wall.

@LucasKauffman actually, the whole HDD thing was a mad scramble. The RAID box literally overheated and shut down. It was super hot that summer. The "AC" was an unused unit on the roof. I ran redneck vents to the desks, tech room, and blowing down over the shipping area.

Scott Pack

22:00

@Basil Ok. That's ugly. Not the ugliest I've seen by far, but ugly.

Basil

@ScottPack I got it fixed

Scott Pack

@Basil Good.

Basil

needed an intermediate variable

also, I'm only faking being able to perl

Scott Pack

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend working with the automagic variables very much.

Basil

@ScottPack it's my only choice- I need to take a number like 501 and output it as 01:F5

Scott Pack

22:02

Doing the while/if with $_ is pretty ok, but if it matches you should immediately assign it to something of your own.

MikeyB

Oh my GOD I wish I could write an RPM for this.

Basil

@ScottPack Oh, you meant $_

yeah, I wanted to take that, sprintf it into a string, run a s/// on that string, and then push that whole mess into another array

Scott Pack

Pretty much all the default assignment variables, $_, @_, $1, etc. I think it's better to assign them into something of your own as soon as possible.

Anyway. Time for me to run off and go home.

Basil

cheers :)

Scott Pack

Yarrr

Basil

22:04

Actually, I'll see you guys tomorrow. I gotta pee.

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Michael Hampton

@tombull89 @ewwhite's doing an AMA on Reddit, eh?

MikeyB

@Basil … I'm guessing shelling out to python is cheating?

MDMarra

@DennisKaarsemaker you should fix your commercials. Http://booking.yeah isn't a valid URL.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

22:20

@MDMarra when we just released that ads, suddenly someone at legal wanted us to register booking.ye

they didn't realize yemen is as stupid as the uk and wants .com.ye

Joel E Salas

22:39

@MikeyB nope

voretaq7

@ChrisK DaFUQ?!

MikeyB

@ChrisK That is absolutely certifiable.

voretaq7

@MikeyB I've seen worse

but we removed the ghettoness after the underlying problems that required it were corrected.

I just did workflow diagrams because I'm a good person. SOMEONE REWARD ME.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@voretaq7 ok, unzip.

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker if I got a BJ for doing workflow diagrams I'd do them a LOT more often. Several times a day in fact!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

22:54

@voretaq7 I didn't say that. It makes it easier to aim the steel-tipped shoes

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker Just for that you go inside the "semi-autonomous process" box.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@voretaq7 It draws the boxes on the screen, or it gets the hose again...

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker screen? Fuck no. Graph paper.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

ooh, old school

voretaq7

but in ink. Because I'm confident like that. hashtag-YOLO hashtag-SWAG

freiheit

22:56

Joel E Salas

@freiheit This is our tiny little Splunk dealing with production logs

freiheit

@JoelESalas That's my job for the past year or two... :)

ewwhite

@JoelESalas I'm all up in your city!

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Right now???

voretaq7

@ewwhite HISS Double NAT.

Dirty @ewwhite. Dirty Dirty Dirty!

Joel E Salas

23:01

@ewwhite What was that storage company you recommended???

ewwhite

@voretaq7 Isn't it weird that Apple actually says "double-nat"

@JoelESalas PogoStorage and QuantaStor

voretaq7

@ewwhite I think it's awesome that they tell you your universe is fucked.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite No, it's weird that they give it a green status icon.

ewwhite

@JoelESalas Yes, in downtown LA

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Thank you thank you thank you

ewwhite

23:02

through MOnday

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton it used to be yellow unless you acknowledged that it was intentional.

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 If you acknowledge it is intentional, it should change to red, and then electrocute you.

voretaq7

@MichaelHampton there are cases where double-nat is what you want... I can't think of any, but I'm sure they exist.

Tanner

@voretaq7 Want or have been forced to use?

voretaq7

@Tanner want. Maybe you're working for the inquisition and need a new torture mechanism.

ewwhite

23:06

@voretaq7 I'm trying to get a DSL router in bridge mode

voretaq7

@ewwhite take it to a bridge and throw it off? :)

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite If you have time we should get lunch or dinner for sure

ewwhite

@JoelESalas Well... I was gonna go par-tay tonight

I have a huge installation tomorrow

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Where you gon partay

ewwhite

@JoelESalas at the titty-bar...

Spearmint Rhino.

Joel E Salas

23:09

@ewwhite Jumbo's Clown Room!

ewwhite

@JoelESalas I have a redeye flight back on Monday...

so I have most of that day free

and probably nothing going on tonight

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite How much tittybar can you handle??

ewwhite

not much

all the girls with scars and bullet holes...

THat's terrible of me

you all think I'm a pig

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but @JoelESalas, did you want to get together?

voretaq7

@ewwhite Brazzers!

ewwhite

@voretaq7 Yep

ugh

Joel E Salas

23:14

@ewwhite Tonight I have a birthday dinner... do you turn in early?

ewwhite

yeah... 9am meeting...

Joel E Salas

bah

ewwhite

and a big ass installation tomorrow...

mossy

@ewwhite Hire me.

I can get your coffee, etc.

$11/hr

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I'm working on my 3rd scotch of the evening and am in the middle of migrating critical infrastructure

Joel E Salas

23:16

@DennisKaarsemaker Like. A. Boss.

@ewwhite I think QuantaStor is our leading option at the moment

ewwhite

You should talk to my contact there. They know how to optimize it for GLuster, if Gluster is still in the mix

I'd recommend getting the fully-integrated solution from them... I can help with pricing

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JoelESalas quite. I'm mostly calling the shots while other people do the work :)

MDMarra

@DennisKaarsemaker aka Living the Dream

freiheit

23:48

@DennisKaarsemaker Doing system administration up right!

also...

fucking moodle...

docs.moodle.org/dev/Moodle_2.7_release_notes

user205537

hi all

freiheit

MySQL/MariaDB 5.5 and PHP 5.4 minimums? You really hate people trying to run your shit on stable "enterprisey" linuxes, don't you moodle?

Joel E Salas

@user205537 What up playboy

user205537

oO

Joel E Salas

@freiheit It's really not that much of a stretch

How long can you forestall progress

MDMarra

23:58

@freiheit God forbid you have modern features in your cutting edge LMS!

Joel E Salas

But again I'm the wrong guy to ask, we'll probably roll out php 5.6 a week after it's out

freiheit

@JoelESalas There is no released version of RHEL that has those yet. There's a beta and a hard to use "software collection" thing.

Stability, 'n' shit.

MDMarra

@freiheit Switch to Blackboard, you can run that shit on Solaris 10 if you want

Michael Hampton

@freiheit There's no good solution, but from years of experience I can say that the remi repository is the best of all the bad solutions.

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