The Comms Room

Scott Pack

14:00

@cole Standardizing on cabling? Lies!

Journeyman Geek

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Q: What would be the disadvantages of using a 4 stranded ethernet cable?

I got this cable with a homeplug AV 200 device - its labelled cat 5e But looking at the plug end has me rather dubious about it. (There's only 4 strands there, not the standard 8) I'm currently using it for some legacy equipment that runs on fast ethernet and the plug it came with and it se...

tombull89

@JourneymanGeek I try to do blue = servers, red = iLO, green = computers although that falls down with the blue 10m one I have going to my bedroom's WDTV Live.

Journeyman Geek

(I need to set that one on fire once I am done with science)

cole

@ScottPack I have to say - our data center is very neat and well cabled/labeled.

Journeyman Geek

@tombull89: You have seen my network, right? ;p

I'd love to standardise all the things, and have actual ethernet cables where needed ;p

I'm making do suprisingly well with all this jerry rigging

(until I leave, and no one knows what anything does)

pauska

14:04

Cat5e cables must have 8 copper wires..

It looks like someone just cut off 4 of the coppers at each end and then terminated

why.. oh why..

MDMarra

@pauska ever fuck with FIM?

cole

FIM

FUCKING INTERFACES MALFORMED

That's an accurate description of it.

Journeyman Geek

@pauska: there are only 4 wires.

and its really wierd. I'm not getting even fast ethernet speeds, and IPV6 won't work when I'm using that cable (Which makes no sense. This cable must die)

Nathan C

@JourneymanGeek Sounds to me like you need a cable tester

Dan

@JourneymanGeek People used to abuse that by using splitters each end of a cable run

Journeyman Geek

14:09

The funny thing is the gear it came with is capable of close to fast ethernet speeds

MDMarra

@JourneymanGeek Was it ever used for voice?

Journeyman Geek

@MDMarra: no

MDMarra

yeah then thats weird

Journeyman Geek

It came with a homeplug AV unit

MDMarra

i've seen ghetto-ass analog voice runs with cat5e where the ends have been split and spliced to 4 phones

A+ quality - would call again

Journeyman Geek

14:12

I think our phone wiring is over 30 years old ;p

Dan

@MDMarra Like I say, I've seen that with PC's, just split into two rather than 4!

Basil

Morning!

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: this looks almost like someone decided to do a run of cabling and stole half the wires.

Nathan C

Awesome...car insurance renewed higher :(

$734 for 6 months

Dan

@JourneymanGeek It could just be fuck up

Journeyman Geek

14:14

I'm probably slicing open the wire to check

@Dan: I can confirm if I found the other cable I got from the same kit

cole

@NathanC Ouch

Dan

@NathanC Jesus - I thought you guys had cheap insurance. I paid $1500 for 2 cars for 12 months and mine is sky high because of insane mileage requirements

tombull89

@NathanC what car is that for?!

Dan

Nathan C

@tombull89 an 03 cavsmear

;P

cole

14:16

lol smear.

Nathan C

But...doesn't help that I have 2 accidents and a speeding ticket...

cole

Damn son

Nathan C

The worst part is, this is the best rate I can get. Most other companies charge >$300/month

@cole Right, last time I had anything was in july >.>

MDMarra

@NathanC My wife and I are $190/month total

cole

Mine's $128/month

Dan

14:17

Man

MDMarra

I was $170/mo by myself before her and I got married

Nathan C

@MDMarra Yeah...I'm at $125/month ...and I lost my snapshot discount because fuck winter

Dan

I genuinely thought insurance was dirt cheap over there

MDMarra

I totaled a brand new Dodge Avenger

so there's that

cole

My insurance went up $20/month when I updated from F to M

Nathan C

14:18

spinning tires sets off the "you're braking too fast" warning

which is stupid

MDMarra

@Dan It can be if you have shit coverage

Dan

@NathanC What's a snapshot discount?

It'll be the TCS light, by the way

Journeyman Geek

@cole: thats sexist.

cole

@NathanC Progressive? I have Progressive too.

@JourneymanGeek ya, most women drivers I know are way worse than dudes.

Nathan C

@Dan It's something Progressive offers. You insert a OBCD adapter into your car and drive it and they discount based on your driving patterns

Dan

14:19

@NathanC That sounds dreadful

Especially if they're basing it on the car sensors rather than GPS and accelerometer etc

Nathan C

@cole I'm at my max deductible ($500) since I'm still paying off the car :(

so i'm stuck

@Dan Yes, sensor-based

Dan

@NathanC And you've not hacked your car yet to disable soem sensors?

cole

@NathanC my deductible is $500 since my car is financed

Nathan C

You can't really do that...

Dan

@NathanC Wuss

cole

14:21

If I used the Snapshot discount they'd be like "This guy does not drive anywhere but to work. Loser."

Dan

Seriously, though - the idea of using the cars internal metrics is just terrifying

pauska

@JourneymanGeek I'd throw away the cable

Dan

They won't be standardised at all

pauska

The only exception to the 4-pair standard in Cat5e is if you use STP-A cable

Journeyman Geek

@pauska: I intend to. I'm just testing it out of curiocity

pauska

14:22

which is highly uncommon.. we're talking about airspace/nasa stuff

tombull89

@Dan It's an option over here too, mainly meant for younger drivers.

Nathan C

@Dan They use the "is the engine on/off?" and speed, that's it

pauska

ense.be/PDF/2050.pdf

MDMarra

The international space station just upgraded to 100Mb HP switches

Dan

@NathanC So why does the TCS light coming on make a difference?

MDMarra

14:22

They had 10Mb hubs before

Journeyman Geek

@pauska: everything I'm seeing says this is more trouble than its worth

Dan

@tombull89 Ours don't plug into the OBDII reader - it's a black box concept with GPS and so on. My brother has it

Nathan C

@Dan Because it detects a speed decrease that's >5 MPH/second when TCS kicks in and stops the tires

pauska

@ewwhite let me know when you're around..

Dan

@NathanC But the speed won't decrease any more than releasing the accelerator

TCS doesn't stop the wheels, it disconnects the drive to them

Nathan C

14:24

@Dan Not always...I've seen my speed go >20 MPH spinning on ice then drop almost immediately

Dan

Sorry, that's a lie - it does brake the wheel.

Nathan C

but it's enough to trigger the alert...plus because I drive during rush hour it's "higher risk"

penalized for using my car to commute ftw!

Dan

@NathanC Why on earth would your speedo hit 20Mph while on ice?

Anyway, it sounds truly crap

MDMarra

because in the winter, Maine is entirely one single block of ice.

Nathan C

basically

lol

MDMarra

14:26

You traitors should still be part of Massachusetts

Nathan C

And with all the melting snow because of the rain, the temps drop below freezing at night and everything becomes a sheet of ice

MDMarra

I went to a map exhibit at a local museum recently and they had a map where Maine was still called "Eastern Massachusetts"

Nathan C

@MDMarra hahaha

Dan

@MDMarra Yeah, but if you haven't gained traction at 1 - 10Mph (displayed) you really don't want to suddenly get traction at 20mph!

MDMarra

And Vermont was called "Unassigned Territories"

And "Plymouth Plantations" and "Rhode Island" were two separate things

It was actually a cool map

Dan

14:27

Although I've just remembered - automatic, right, @NathanC?

Nathan C

@Dan Yes

Dan

@NathanC :(

Nathan C

I can shift to 1st or 2nd to disable TCS...I've done it a few times especially on hills

engine braking ftw

Dan

I take it you don't just have a button todisable it?

Nathan C

nope

Can only disable by shifting down or removing the fuse :P

tombull89

14:33

I just got a three 8's in a row in this Serial key...what do I win?

Dan

@NathanC I'd do that

Scott Pack

@MDMarra So what do you feel about Cleveland being part of Connecticut then?

Dan

@ScottPack They both begin with C, so it's a good idea

Merge everything

MDMarra

Who cares about connecticut

3

That's my though

MikeyB

@tombull89 dogecoin

tombull89

14:35

@MikeyB No Coinye West?

(don't sue me Kanye.)

Scott Pack

@Dan Though I suppose that would also include Toledo and probably Youngstown.

TheCleaner

Yea! Live Support! -- question...I keep hearing about USB bus overloading if there are too many devices consuming the bus bandwidth. If I install additional PCIe USB 3.0 cards, does each PCIe slot have its own USB bus/bandwidth? Or is there just one USB bus on the mobo period?

Journeyman Geek

@TheCleaner: each of those is a seperate USB host, and can handle its own devices

MikeyB

@TheCleaner Each PCIe controller will be a new USB root and thus separate bandwidth.

Journeyman Geek

in fact, as is, your system likely has more than one controller

TheCleaner

14:46

OK, so adding 3 cards and separating the 3 USB devices among those cards is much better than plugging all 3 USB devices into the available back ports on the mobo itself then?

assuming usb bandwidth is an issue of course

ewwhite

@pauska hello

Chris S

@TheCleaner Probably...

That also assumes your PCIe bandwidth is sufficient, and whatever is upstream of PCIe (ie QPI or HT)

Journeyman Geek

3 devices would be... nothing

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@TheCleaner if it's a desktop: try plugging one on the front. tends to be a different usb bus

MDMarra

@JourneymanGeek Unless they're USB video adapters

Journeyman Geek

14:49

@MDMarra: which would suck anyway ;p

MDMarra

And he's creating the matrix

TheCleaner

@JourneymanGeek 3 USB Logitech BCC950 webcams in full 1080p at the same time.

Journeyman Geek

power is more likely to be an issue than bandwidth

ahh

Chris S

@JourneymanGeek Without knowing what kind of devices I wouldn't say "nothing". USB 3.0 allows up to 10Gbps...

tombull89

@TheCleaner 3D photos.

MDMarra

14:50

Three 1080p feeds will consume 10Gbps?

How many frames per second are they capturing?

Chris S

@MDMarra I wouldn't expect it... But it is Logitech.

MDMarra

I suppose if it's going 120FPS or something it will

too lazy to do the math

Nathan C

Not 10 Gbps...

You'd exceed your storage at that rate wouldn't you?

MDMarra

@MikeyB you like doing the math on this stuff - figure out how many FPS for raw 1080p you'd need to saturate a 10Gbps link

TheCleaner

@tombull89 yes, multiple angles. For...videoing...stuff...

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Journeyman Geek

14:51

pretty quickly

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@TheCleaner you took over from @ewwhite at brazzers?

Chris S

@NathanC Sure... But someone said 3 USB devices would be "nothing" for the computer... You can't just make that assumption when USB 3.0 can do 10Gbps bi-directionally.

Nathan C

true

TheCleaner

@MDMarra 1080p 30fps

MDMarra

@NathanC That's only 1.25GBps - do-able with the proper caching and 12Gbps SATA/SAS interfaces

TheCleaner

14:52

@DennisKaarsemaker no amateur stuff here.

Chris S

@TheCleaner The "p" in there would indicate the camera is doing some kind of frame compression. So simple math doesn't apply.

Nathan C

@MDMarra Dat storage

@ChrisS I think the "p" stands for "progressive scan"

Chris S

@NathanC That is correct.

Nathan C

whereas 1080i is interlaced

Chris S

Also correct

tombull89

14:53

I thought it stood for potato. Because that's what my Logitech camera video quality looks like the footage was recorded with.

TheCleaner

Oh, and the cameras themselves aren't USB 3.0. Just the PCIe cards. The cameras operate on USB 2.0

ewwhite

So I just saw someone I know in real life in a Brazzers video... I think I'm turned-on... :-x

5

MDMarra

Get the latest in webcam technology with this Logitech 1080potato unit

3

Dennis Kaarsemaker

tombull89

@DennisKaarsemaker NEEDS MOAR JEPG COMPRESSION

In the film Iron Man, when Tony Stark is first booting-up the rustic suit made in a terrorists’ cave hideout, there is source code displayed on an antiquated computer screen. Rather than custom software written for a futuristic flying suit, it turns out to be some C code from a firmware downloader for the RCX Lego toy.

lololol

Chris S

14:56

Perhaps I shouldn't make assumptions about proper design of Logitech hardware.... =/

TheCleaner

@MDMarra :) I've got my a/v project going all kinds of directions right now. They want a "super cheap" version of the setup...and that would mean webcams and USB cards. The cheapest setup I have is around $3500. Most expensive at this point with HD-SDI cameras is around $15k. I have 4 different options for them to pick from...so now it's just a waiting game.

MikeyB

@MDMarra 200.9 frames per second

mossy

@ewwhite It's 10am man. At least finish breakfast first

MDMarra

@TheCleaner We wired 25 rooms with 2 HD cameras and audio recorded to 4 servers with a "master server" that interfaced with custom control software to kick off and index all recordings at once. It was about $3 mil

That was at my last job

also, it was shit and they scrapped it right as i left

MikeyB

grr it lost the stars: 200.9 fps

TheCleaner

14:59

@ChrisS I (along with about 100 others in a Subaru forum) won the Logitech Giveaway back in 2003-2004. Their site allowed you to keep F5ing until you won. I F5'd for about 90 minutes until I finally won.

ewwhite

@pauska You on?

TheCleaner

@MDMarra :) well half the fun is the project...who cares if it actually works after the fact.

Chris S

@MikeyB That's 200.9 bits/frame-second. With 24-bit color, it's 8 camera's per bus.

ewwhite

@MDMarra I had to reboot auerbach domain controller dc1 overnight

tombull89

In my previous place there were two computers in one of the boarding houses with £150 Logitech webcams for the students to use with Skype. Picture was absolutely fantastic, but would have I spend £150 on a webcam? No.

MDMarra

15:00

fun

ewwhite

@MDMarra this is the one you worked on...

MDMarra

It's the one I've told you 10 times to move the LOb software running on it to somewhere else so I can demote it and install a new one

Nathan C

Meh...statefarm wants $156/month for the same coverage...

ewwhite

@MDMarra fix it

6

MDMarra

OK, spin me up two new servers

one for the LOB apps and one for the DC

ewwhite

15:12

0

Q: Scheduler spikes single core on SMP Ubuntu vm under ESXi

The setup is as follows. Ubuntu-11.10 VM running on an ESXi host. The VM has 3 vCPU assigned. When running dump (to backup the harddisk) it seems all the processes are assigned to the first vCPU. As we are using compression this loads the vCPU at 100%, slowing down the dump to a crawl. I have ...

ubuntu vmware-esx task-scheduler dump ubuntu-11.10

cole

@ewwhite because 3 is better than 2.

/sarcasm

I love when I leave myself well written documentation with great screenshots.

ewwhite

(danger: Ed is editing Group Policy....)

TheCleaner

@ewwhite oooh ooooh...change the Default Domain Controller Policy first!

Scott Pack

Make sure to block ping in WFP.

ewwhite

I'm just pointin' and clicking. @MDMarra will clean up the mess.

2

Disable password aging √

2

Get rid of password complexity √

2

MDMarra

15:20

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

8

ewwhite

Because: produce...

Tom O'Connor

very wow

ewwhite

You try getting a forklift driver to change his password at logon from a Windows CE device in the middle of his shift.

Scott Pack

You try getting a department chair or a CEO to change their password ever.

6

ewwhite

Plus, I don't think password aging is effective.

two-factor and better passwords are...

maybe?

Scott Pack

15:23

There's lots about how we handle passwords that I dislike.

Chris S

If people picked good passwords I'd have no problem disabling aging. But they pick really bad passwords.

Scott Pack

Hence requiring complexity, which has it's own problems.

Chris S

We upped our requirements to 8 characters and 3/4 categories. People whining left and right that they can't come up with a password. Seriously people!? "$Season$Year" satisfies those requirement!

Scott Pack

What I would love to see is a complexity system complex enough to say, "Minimum Entropy of 150 OR MinLength+Chars+Whatevs"

TheCleaner

PasswordStock! Free all the complex passwords! (hugs JohntheRipper)

Scott Pack

15:27

@ewwhite I'm of the opinion that multifactor+passphrases are where it's at.

Chris S

@ScottPack Agreed - but multifactor is a multiPITA still

Scott Pack

@ChrisS I think the "best" system, from a user perspective, I've come across is PhoneFactor.

All the systems are a major PITA in one way or another, though.

Anonymous

fuck the users

Scott Pack

@PatoSáinz Talk to @ewwhite

Ok. Before I pop a vein does anyone know of a way to tell Firefox that backspace should never mean Back?

TheCleaner

biometrics. We require you to swipe your index finger at the same time you get a retinal scan and a colonoscopy.

Anonymous

15:32

@ScottPack support.mozilla.org/es/questions/924490

Anonymous

> You can set the Integer pref browser.backspace_action to 2 on the about:config page to disable the backspace action. BTW Shift + Backspace does the reverse: going Forward if possible, so that is taken as well.

TheCleaner

@ScottPack kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action

Anonymous

@TheCleaner you're late

Scott Pack

@PatoSáinz You are my hero.

mossy

"Several times over the last couple weeks, I type up a very well thought out response on Facebook in political conversations with friends. An hour or two into my work..."

sir pls.

Chris S

15:33

Any ideas on why the temperature would bounce like that? Just spitballing....

TheCleaner

@PatoSáinz always...but hey...that's "official" :)

Anonymous

@ChrisS bitcoin mining

Scott Pack

@PatoSáinz I wish the behavior of '1' was default.

Chris S

@PatoSáinz no, but another coin - You're wasting money if you're using GPUs to mine Bitcoin these days.

cole

@mossy wat

TheCleaner

15:35

Pato, your link is the spanish site and yet I understand it like it's in English or something. I must have a super power I wasn't aware of.

Anonymous

@ScottPack do you trigger it accidentally a lot?

Anonymous

@TheCleaner maybe

Scott Pack

@PatoSáinz In this chat system, yes.

Anonymous

13

Q: How to make female chest look bigger

When photographing women they often want the chest to appear as big as possible. I tried with light coming from different positions but was not satisfied with the results. Are there any tricks to achieve this ?

portrait technique

Anonymous

what

cole

15:37

wtf

mossy

@cole I was reading that firefox question that @PatoSáinz posted.

Anonymous

hahaha

TheCleaner

►

Tanner

@mossy If only people put half that kind of effort in to questions.

Scott Pack

@TheCleaner That was my first thought as well.

Anonymous

15:40

that user should use lazarus cache recovery

Anonymous

it's pretty useful

TheCleaner

@ScottPack :) I have a buddy that always seems to send me crap that somehow I end up remembering years later.

cole

Jenna Marbles <3

Nathan C

2/3 sites I've tried to get quotes from failed so far...sigh

TheCleaner

@NathanC what kind of insurance are you looking for?

pauska

15:49

@ewwhite Yo. Buddy of mine with his SuperMicro server.. the raid card (or driver) kept crashing, so we upgraded to the latest esxi 5.5 patch and installed the latest aacraid driver.. now the datastores aren't recognized anymore

If I go to add disk the datastores are there, and it asks me if I want to keep the identifier or make a new one. If I keep the identifier the datastores immediatly pop up and all vm's can start

then on the next reboot the datastores are gone again

is this common? never experienced it.. then again, UUID's never change with SAN's

and what should I do? select the option to make a new identifier and manually edit all the VM's config files? :<

Tom O'Connor

I think the Forward functionality of browsers is more or less undefined, as it rarely actually means "un-back"

@pauska Supermicro. Yeahhhhhh.

TheCleaner

Holy crap this software is awesomely simple and free (clone USB flash drives): osforensics.com/tools/write-usb-images.html

ewwhite

4 core hardware, configured with 3 vCPU for this VM. It's an old configuration, I don't know the details of why it was setup like this. — pehrs 13 mins ago

@pauska do you know which motherboard this is?

pauska

@ewwhite SuperMicro something

but does that relate to the raid controller? it's a separate PCIe card, not delivered by SuperMicro

(he used the same card before upgrading to the supermicro system)

ewwhite

Oh, okay... because at LW, we had onboard Adaptec RAID that would freeze often.

this is ESXi, so make sure the settingsare saved in the bootbank...

how long are you running before reboot?

cole

16:03

I have an Oracle Lunch & Learn in 30 minutes.

Scott Pack

@cole Do they bring their own lube or is that your responsibility?

2

Anonymous

@cole lunch & learn?

TheCleaner

@cole Oracle Lunch & Learn? I doubt it will start on time, and likely will end early.

cole

@ScottPack I believe we need to provide it - but they'll charge us for the license to use it.

pauska

@ewwhite the ESXi setup is on a separate standalone SSD on the onboard non-raid S-ATA ports.. it seems to save other configuration stuffz

cole

16:05

@PatoSáinz yeah - Oracle comes in - talks to us about some product and provides lunch.

Scott Pack

@cole That sounds about right.

ewwhite

@pauska you may want to force it to save settings... just in case

cole

@TheCleaner that's usually what happens.

pauska

@ewwhite I'm not sure what to answer to that.. it's his box and I don't know when he loves to reboot it or not.. the hope is that it doesn't need to be rebooted, but when it does the datastores come back

Anonymous

@cole nice lunch, fuck oracle

Anonymous

16:05

i think the license for using a barrel of 55 gallons of lube might be expensive

pauska

@ewwhite how? And should I select the option to generate a new signature for the datastore?

cole

We're an SAP/Oracle shop so as much I dislike Oracle, I have to use it.

TheCleaner

@cole it was my attempt to poke at Oracle itself. But I love l&l's...as long as they don't call/email me 50 times after.

cole

Luckily we have Oracle DBA's.

@TheCleaner we do quite a bit of them, which is nice.

ewwhite

@pauska the datastore signature is something I've never seen before... so I'm not sure there

cole

16:06

Being the all around guy, I get to go to all the lunch and learns :D

Scott Pack

@PatoSáinz Their licensing model recently changed. Now lube is licensed by the pump, but if you're expected to have a sufficiently small number of pumps you can instead license by Named User.

TheCleaner

@cole all of mine are offsite at local fancy restaurants. I like getting a $30 lunch for free when I can.

Scott Pack

The downside is that they then know your name.

cole

@TheCleaner we've gone to some for Dell that are like that. My boss always takes me lol.

pauska

"Keep Existing Signature - The VMFS Metadata will not change. The volume will be detected as a snapshot after the reboot. All other hosts accessing this device/LUN will continue to see this as a snapshot volume. (To mount it persistently, see the Command Line section)"

a snapshot?

what the hell

Scott Pack

16:09

Is VisioCafe still the best place to find stencils? Because, let me tell you, the Dell stencils suck musty balls.

Chris S

@ScottPack Last I knew, yeah

Scott Pack

@ChrisS Terrible.

cole

Wtf recruiters. Stop calling my work phone!

Scott Pack

@ChrisS For Dell they're nothing more than low res pictures of the bezel. No connection points, hell they're not even the right size.

ewwhite

@pauska oh god

pauska

16:21

@ewwhite kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/…

MDMarra

Holy shit, how have I been working in PowerShell all this time without knowing get-member?

Anonymous

@MDMarra maybe

cole

I wish get-member would work for me.

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Chris S

@MDMarra Meh. I learn something like that about every other day... I figure if I go more than a week without a mind boggling discovery then I'm falling behind.

Tom O'Connor

@cole "Oh, i'm terribly sorry, you've just missed him. There's a memorial service next thursday"

MDMarra

16:26

@ChrisS ever use Orchestrator? You can right click in a text field and hit "Expand" to get a whole window of whitespace to work in. I showed that to a guy that had done at least 200 hours of development in Orchestrator and he almost cried he was so happy

Chris S

lol - that's awesome

MDMarra

He had been typing things up in notepad and pasting them into Orchestrator

Come to Philly. We need a collaboration engineer

Latest Lync, Exchange, SharePoint (to a degree)

:)

Chris S

I appreciate the offer, but I'm pretty well glued to West Michigan

TheCleaner

Can't be remote Mark?

eh...what am I saying...I'm happy here...

Chris S

95% of what I do now I could do from home... People wouldn't like it though.

Nathan C

16:31

@TheCleaner Car insurance :p

Chris S

It's not usually an issue of "can/can't"

Nathan C

50 pages of pricing information to input. welp...

TheCleaner

This is true Chris.

Plus a lot of companies still have a stigma about it...they figure if you are onsite you are actually working.

@NathanC ah...I think we pay through State Farm about $150/month for 2 cars with $500 deduct. But we are old :)

Tom O'Connor

@TheCleaner I tend to find that if I'm capable of working from home, I'm far more productive.

pauska

@ChrisS and you could end up like @MDMarra.. he hasn't had pants on for three months

Chris S

16:34

I pay $400/6mo for $2k ded full coverage on one vehicle, and PLPD on another.

Tom O'Connor

@TheCleaner Did you see this? I figured out how to put in Amazon links with affiliate tracking: techshoppingand.info/questions/7/dsl-router

Chris S

@pauska Did actually have a conversation with my boss over the weekend while wearing very little.

What happens when you call me in the middle of the night.

Nathan C

@TheCleaner Statefarm wanted like $160 for one car...

TheCleaner

@TomO'Connor I personally agree, and think that it also lends towards working over 40 hours since I tend to get lost in the hours if I'm at home, especially late at night.

@NathanC wow...are you young or drive a lot? Mine is for 35+ years old, married, with <40 miles daily, $500 deduct 50/100 full.

Nathan C

@TheCleaner Yeah, I'm under 25...plus with 2 accidents and a ticket in the past 2 years, so that's not helping.

I'll probably end up sticking with progressive, but who knows.

Chris S

16:38

2

Anonymous

@ChrisS wtf is that meeting?

TheCleaner

@TomO'Connor That's cool, and I understand why you chose the Amazon UK site, but will the core audience be in the U.S.? Or is it simply a matter of whatever the person answering the question chooses to link to? Will the US links have the referral code?

Chris S

@PatoSáinz Taken by a student in a classroom, I found it on Reddit

MikeyB

Man, interviewing and evaluating someone is not easy.

TheCleaner

@ChrisS unfortunately...probably this: youtube.com/watch?v=JAd0sx3E2eI

MikeyB

16:43

@cole That provided a genuine LOL. Thanks.

Tom O'Connor

@TheCleaner I had to choose the Amazon UK site, as that's where I live.. If you add a link, it won't get auto-tagged (Still need to weasel that one out)

Scott Pack

@MikeyB How many times have you been on this side of hiring?

Tom O'Connor

I did those manually with the Affiliate tool stuff.

TheCleaner

Gotcha. Maybe I'm super used to SF, but I think the "Add comment" button looks better on the left...took me a sec to even notice it.

Tom O'Connor

I found a mobile / responsive theme I'm gonna try later on

Do need to find a way to funnel traffic to it.

voretaq7

16:52

@TomO'Connor HISS

Tom O'Connor

@voretaq7 Have you tried TSaI on a mobile! It's ghastly.

TheCleaner

lol

voretaq7

@TomO'Connor When I hear "responsive UI" I think this:

Maybe we should give up on the whole idea of a 'back' button. 'Show me that thing I was looking at a moment ago' might just be too complicated an idea for the modern web.

"Don't even BREATHE on the site or it's going to 'respond' in ways you'll never anticipate and probably hate!"

TheCleaner

I love the idea of the site and hope it grows. Have you considered making a way for people to go to a "products" section and then add products and reviews to it and allow people to rate the product (like Amazon has...and Spiceworks community sort of has). That would make it nice to link directly to in an answer as well.

Tom O'Connor

@TheCleaner I haven't really thought of much! I think a products section might be possible with a tag/tagwiki/questions set

Maybes.

I should actually sort out some backup for it..

TheCleaner

16:57

@TomO'Connor eh..cloudflare it... :)

Tom O'Connor

hometime!

@TheCleaner No, I mean literally, database backup.

and assets.

voretaq7

@TomO'Connor DEVOPS! WEB2.0! RAID IS MY BACKUP!

TheCleaner

yeah I know...I was being semi-funny

voretaq7

Am I devopsing it right?!

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