The Comms Room

Anonymous

00:03

On the relative readability of Perl and Python (blogs.perl.org)

Journeyman Geek

@mossy and by something, you mean everything.

and its a black box cause you're a clueless idiot

mossy

@JourneymanGeek Something like that

@JourneymanGeek are we fighting right now?

Journeyman Geek

00:19

are we?

mossy

i'm not sure

Journeyman Geek

I think we're agreeing, with differing levels of sarcasm involved

mossy

i think you just called me an idiot

Journeyman Geek

no, I call anyone who runs WAMP an idiot

mossy

Ohh. ok. lol

cole

00:42

84104

@MikeyB Most important thing it to remember to <<EOF rather than do it within timeout.

Mark Henderson

Holy shit; I've been on PayPal for 10 years as of 01/01 and I've done $15,000 of purchases through them

I hate to think how much I've spent on ebay in the same time period

cole

@MarkHenderson Wow. That's like $150 USD right?

:P

Mark Henderson

Fuck you

There was a time when one of my dollars was worth more than one of your dollars

cole

doll hairs.

Mark Henderson

00:52

Whoah, I've been an ebay member for 13 years

(almost)

Fucking ASA. Finally fixed my bug with a flapping IPSec tunnel - I had volume-based rekey turned off, but one of the ends was still trying to rekey every 40MB

That's been haunting me for months

thunks head

MikeyB

01:09

@pauska and yet I'm getting laughed at for putting AD on Samba :D

Mark Henderson

@MikeyB I didn't laugh at you, I just don't fully understand

MikeyB

@MarkHenderson Our business model is also driven by the directive to use open source wherever possible (and sensible).

Mark Henderson

@MikeyB Fair enough. Our business model is to what is the most cost effective; and most of the time that's buying something commercial so we don't have to roll our own

That... sounded way more snarky than I meant

I just meant we usually end up paying for things because a lot of open source is too labour intensive

MikeyB

@MarkHenderson No, I get it :)

The Samba work is also driven by a few large clients who have suddenly come out of the woodwork to ask for Samba support. Gives us a good excuse to get fully boned up on it.

Anonymous

wtf the starwall

Anonymous

01:20

first, all the stars are new

Anonymous

second, i don't see any mentions to wesley's lack of bike ownership, this must be fixed

2

jscott

@MikeyB Your twitterz might be compromised.

MikeyB

Yeah, I saw, thanks.

Mark Henderson

01:38

lol

The sun still borrows vhs

ewwhite

Who gets this? @MDMarra ?

ewwhite

02:04

10. Click Install. This step deletes the contents of the local drives of the vSphere hosts, formats the drives, and proceeds with the installation. You are prompted for confirmation to proceed with the installation.

MDMarra

@ewwhite sup?

jscott

Deletes and formats. Well that should do.

ewwhite

@jscott I don't think I wanna install this.

@MDMarra Cubs new mascot

jscott

pedobear?

MDMarra

Pedobear?

jscott

02:09

I thought it was a "kidnap van" joke.

ewwhite

@MDMarra NSFW... deadspin.com/…

jscott

But then I remembered kidnap vans don't have any windows except for the little, tinted bubble ones.

MDMarra

Haha

Oh, Deadspin

jscott

02:35

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Q: Windows Batch File, Will this work?

Want to play a joke on my friend, and am not sure if this will work. @echo off echo Time to wipe your drive. pathping localhost -q 2 -p 250 > nul pathping localhost -q 2 -p 250 > nul pathping localhost -q 2 -p 250 > nul shutdown -f pathping localhost -q 2 -p 250 > nul pathping localhost -q 2 -p ...

Mark Henderson

03:54

Blah some cuntmaster at our client site has gone and set the date formatting to the fucked up American system so now everything on the server that is expecting dates in dd/mm is exploding as there is no 14th month (it worked until the 13th; surprise surprise, it was just putting in the wrong dates without erroring out)

Their tech guy is refusing to put it back to the correct formatting

Why? How do these people get jobs?!

MikeyB

@MarkHenderson I hate people like that.

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Look for telltale signs of incompetence, such as a brown nose or tongue.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton haha

jscott

Or the same last name as someone in management.

Mark Henderson

Thankfully I know his boss

@jscott Haha well his surname is Nguyen which is basically "smith"

Michael Hampton

04:02

I thought Nguyen was Vietnamese for Jones

Mark Henderson

Maybe; it's incredibly common anyway

Michael Hampton

Well, yes, I get the idea

Skyhawk

04:40

Huh. Someone from a company called "스프링웍스" just tried to add me on LinkedIn. Their web site proudly proclaims, "our work is dedicated to the prosperity of our clients advance your duskiness," which definitely reaffirms my understanding that South Korea has the best Engrish in the entire world.

Falcon Momot

04:52

ye gods Seattle is awesome.

Magellan

06:41

@FalconMomot Even better in the summer.

Falcon Momot

Calgary is truly foul in the winter though

seattle is quite tolerable

Magellan

06:57

This is true. Had some co-workers in Edmonton at the previous job

I'd try to sync up for a beer or two, but I just got stuck on double shifts for the next couple weeks.

Well, not quite doubles. More like 12s 3 days of the week, 14s the other 2 and also on-call.

which reminds me. It's time to get some shuteye. Later gents.

Iain

G'day

ewwhite

@MDMarra You on? My client is having AD problems right now.

Falcon Momot

07:20

@Magellan oh, edmonton is even worse. later.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

07:48

moin

pauska

08:14

g'day

RobM

Morning all

0

Q: Force Windows PC to override GPO and get Windows Updates

Suppose a very clever hacker applies a GPO that make Windows Update not work, then silently waits for a new Windows vulnerability to come out. All the while, domain PC are not able to download or apply Windows Updates as a result, and all domain machines will be vulnerable to the next exploit. I...

group-policy windows-update

facepalm

Iain

@RobM nice answer pity he deleted it

pauska

I was about to say - props for him for deleting it when he realized how dumb the question was

RobM

Yep, can't complain about that when there's plenty out there prepared to argue it up and down

Dan

09:00

Morning

3

A: Scheduled Software Restriction GPO

Not with any of the vanilla Windows tools, I'm afraid. This is where classroom management solutions (Tutor, Impero etc) come in,

Who deleted my comments :(

And why can't I see them even at 10k, permadelete?

Journeyman Geek

I think deleted comments are permadeleted

RobM

yeah

Dan

Ah - all I did was call his answer crap

RobM

he can't handle the truth!

tombull89

Remember I mentioned a few weeks ago about doing a silent VB install with key? Just got an answer on SO about inserting the key into the setup.

Iain

09:09

@Dan deleted comments are not visible to normal users. They used to be perma deleted but now they are just hidden

tombull89

Ignoring the fact I've done it already...

RobM

I blame devops ;-)

Dan

@Iain How dull

@tombull89 Useful :D

RobM

09:29

I do remember it always being a sod to get visual studio to install silently

Dan

It's not really designed for it, I guess

It's a bit "big"

amazon.co.uk/dp/B0017V21EY/…

Uhm

RobM

Yeah, and I guess they figure you should see all the options. Which is nice for a dozen developers that really do all want to tweak how it works anyway, less so for educational "how do I roll it out to 1200 people, not 12!" people

that's some proper expensive lego

Dan

@RobM 1200 people that will use it 0.05% of its functionality

RobM

yeah, we've got one teacher here moaning that we've only installed VB Express and they want us to install the full VS package so they can have one extra feature

Dan

What's the feature?

RobM

09:32

Now in a way I sympathise, if they really need to have their students do that one thing, its not their fault MS have made that difficult.

I can't remember, its not my call... it's some compilation option or other they need thats only in the full version

Dan

Annoying :(

RobM

yeah. It's gonna cause a lot of gyp I reckon. I think given how easy MS have made it to add it, we're gonna end up with some kind of compromise that will make both 'sides' unhappy.

tombull89

Issue: Still doing Windows updates on these tablets. Idea: Get them to update from the School's WSUS server. Issue: It doesn't have local group policy (?!) or the registry keys to do so.

gah.

Dan

Windows RT?

tombull89

8

Dan

09:38

Proper 8?

tombull89

Oh, feck.

Windows 8 Home Edition.

Dan

Oh haha

I think you can chuck the reg keys in for WSUS

tombull89

It's weird, all the other tablets are fine with updating through Windows Updates but this one just goes "nope" and won't do it. Through both the school proxy and my MiFi dongle.

pauska

@Dan Yes, you can

Dan

@pauska Do you do it before or after "disappearing" the person who specced such shite?

pauska

09:44

or wait, home edition.. hmm unsure

theregister.co.uk/2014/01/13/…

3.2 billion dollars.. jesus christ

Dan

That's a lot of money

I wonder what'll it be like when Google and Apple literally own the world

pauska

Well.. if this keeps up it's not going to be long: theregister.co.uk/2014/01/14/…

the big players will eat up any kind of patent holder to stay on top..

it's outright insane that software patents haven't been killed yet

Dan

The US patent system is so fucked up at this point

Journeyman Geek

09:59

@pauska: depends on your POV. Its probably a godsend for lawyers and unproductives

RobM

10:14

@dan I had to comment on that wmi app blocking "answer"

Dan

@RobM I answered first and he responded with "Did you even Google?"

And then DV'd me :D

RobM

he's an ass

Dan

At least the OP saw sense

If I ever saw someone using WMI for that, I'd just cry

RobM

10:33

he didn't like my comment

Dan

He's coming across as very foolish IMHO

pauska

Toshiba has launched a new series of ultrabooks that's really nifty.. SSD, 1.2 kilos and a docking port.. it's in the HP EliteBook range of specs

but.. 1366x768? :(

notebookcheck.net/…

Dan

10:49

I may need to buy 2x laptops and I'm not having much luck picking. So much choice

tombull89

@Dan what do you need them for?

Dan

@tombull89 One for the missus to do some studying over the next couple of years. Looking to spend £3 - 400. May need one for me (Unless i can steal this one), but not really looked yet - probably the £800 mark

tombull89

@Dan ah, right. Some of our staff laptops are HP EliteBooks 6560b machines - quite nice - but I guess they've been discontinued now.

Dan

Sure I'll found something eventually. I actually found that PC World had an okay selection

tombull89

I was in PC world a few weeks back, I was quite surprised as they had a decent selection of Razer and Corsair gaming keyboards/mice. Still expensive, though.

Dan

11:12

They've got better, but yeah

And they still try hard to sell up Norton etc

pauska

Yeah we bought a new elitebook recently, it's very nice but also very expensive

I'd take a look at those Toshiba Portege Z30's @Dan

great value

Dan

Will do, buddy

pauska

heh.. I'm tracing the package status of a new server we ordered

"2014-01-14 11:48 DK - SCHENKER CALCULATE ETA"

that's the latest status.. that they're calculating a ETA..

Dan

Helpful

tombull89

11:31

Status: Dunno, lol.

When I bought a server recently DPD delivered it. Ordered it on the weekend, got a text on Wednesday to say it'll be delievered Monday, then woke up Thursday to a text saying it would be delivered 9:57-10:57am that day.

pauska

11:58

freight - hard stuff

they're calculating a freight time of two days from poland to Norway.. not bad if they can keep that promise

Journeyman Geek

-1

Q: How to do sudo apt-get on an AIX machine

I don't understand this AIX. How do I do sudo apt-get on AIX? -bash-3.00$ sudo -bash: sudo: command not found -bash-3.00$ apt-get -bash: apt-get: command not found

sudo apt-get aix

from the comments the guy is totally out of his depth :/

Iain

@JourneymanGeek yeah - lets hope they don't find us - it'll be a bloodbath

Journeyman Geek

@Iain: honestly, the best solution here is bribery ;p

Thats not his only question, I'd add

pauska

12:17

apt-get on AIX

Iain

:(

pauska

many lulz

Tom O'Connor

Where shall I bump this to?

-2

Q: What is The Recommended Way of Sharing Project Files and Databases with Different Local Machines?

I have a local project folder where I save all of my ongoing projects. How I am currently working is saving my project files on dropbox so I have can access it from both desktop and my laptop. I want to take it a step further where I can run and share the not only project files but also database...

project-management

Journeyman Geek

/dev/null ?

pauska

someone should migrate that AIX question to U&L

They'll have a blast

Tom O'Connor

12:18

@JourneymanGeek I was thinking programmers.se

Journeyman Geek

@TomO'Connor: its kinda subjective

Iain

@TomO'Connor they'll just close it back at us ;)

Tom O'Connor

@Iain SU?

pauska

in Unix and Linux, 15 secs ago, by pauska

Hey guys. We found a great question suited for U&L, should we get it migrated over?

snicker

Iain

it's not topical here - it doesn't have to have a life elsewhere

Tom O'Connor

12:20

@Iain It probably does, though.

Iain

@TomO'Connor SEP

pauska

programmers is the best fit

Tom O'Connor

@Iain SEP?

pauska

he's basically asking for a database revision system

Tom O'Connor

I'm tempted to ask OP to re-ask it on TSandI

pauska

12:20

unless he also want the data synced..

Iain

Somebody Else's Problem

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Tom O'Connor

Having re-read, how is it not just NAS + Git?

pauska

Do we know if the machines are all in the same network?

Dropbox kind of points the other way

and most databases won't let you just swap out the datafiles.. plus you'd need to build a system that makes sure that logfiles are empty when the dataset is copied over to the file share

Tom O'Connor

@pauska Do we care?

pauska

@TomO'Connor ...

Tom O'Connor

12:30

@pauska Dropbox is NFS for the lazy.

pauska

You were the one asking if this could be solved with a NAS...

Tom O'Connor

@pauska That's where I'd start, is what I meant?

pauska

NFS over the internet? no thanks..

Dan

@TomO'Connor I beg to differ!

Tom O'Connor

@pauska Depends how good your internet is, actually.

ISTR Dropbox doing some kind of multicast LAN synchronisation on the same segment?

Scott Pack

12:53

Yarr!

mossy

13:06

good morning

cole

morning @mossy

Glad to see you in here more often I haveto say.

MDMarra

@ewwhite sup

Scott Pack

Mark.

MDMarra

Hi

Dan

Booked in for my Citrix Expert exam! Probably £150 down the drain, but it's worth a shot

MDMarra

13:19

Good luck!

cole

@Dan good luck!

Dan

Cheers - it's a laugh!

Sysadmin1138 Expounds

SysAdmin1138 Expounds: NetWare Retrospective Part 1: Distributed databases

posted on January 14, 2014 by SysAdmin1138

Novell introduced NDS with NetWare 4.0 in 1993, and is still being shipped 21years later as part of Open Enterprise Server. For those of you who've never run into it, NDS (Novell Directory Services, currently marketed as eDirectory) is currently...

Iain

What is it with people not reading error messages?

Scott Pack

Error messages are only ever full of gobbledygook anyway.

cole

13:28

Reading is hard.

Iain

I guess

Dan

"Please contact your system administrator."

Shit

Scott Pack

@Dan I hate it when my wife reads that out loud.

Dan

@ScottPack I hope she's talking about computer systems

Iain

@ScottPack Since I bought Jayne an iPAD I've heard that much less

Scott Pack

13:32

@Iain It does happen quite less frequently since she started using a Mac but it's still occasional.

Dan

@Iain I must admit! Though my Jane now needs a laptop anyhow

Iain

It's unlikely my $Jayne will need one - phew. I really do pity the guy who looks after the IT where she works though

Scott Pack

Yeah, so my favorite thing is related to the layout app her company uses. It's all a Java webstart app. Even though you can open old projects with the current version of java they're almost unusably slow if a different version of java was around back then.

Dan

@Iain Haha :D

Scott Pack

So I got to show her how to run different versions of javaws from the command line so she could use old projects. >_<

tombull89

13:42

@Dan "Please contact your system administrator." well I am the system administrator and I still have no clue.

large Admin printer is jammed as they've been feeding labels through it. There's no active support contract on it. This is gonna be fun.

Nathan C

It's all fun and games until our production software goes haywire...

tombull89

It's all fun and games until someone unplugs the wrong cable.

Journeyman Geek

@tombull89: and they're all yellow...

Scott Pack

Do they make cables not yellow?

Journeyman Geek

@ScottPack: I am told they do, you just need to talk to this guy, who knows some guys, who knows some guys.

MDMarra

13:56

Shun the nano user. SHUN HIM.

0

Q: Make nano wrap on $

Is it possible to make nano wrap on $ on very long lines? I regularly have to check log file and then copy and paste the contents into an email for example (I want to use mouse select - Ctrl U does work but it is cumbersome especially with lots of lines) but all I can copy and paste is what is v...

centos nano

cole

SHUN SHUN SHUN

pauska

I use nano :(

never bothered to learn something better

or well, I used 'ee' on FreeBSD

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek I have seen green once or twice.

Oh, and Cisco ships a canary yellow cable that's a crossover

MDMarra

I stopped using it after it ate EOLs on a tftpd.conf file and made me troubleshoot it for hours.

Journeyman Geek

I have blues, greys and yellows.

oh and a flat black one.

cole

13:58

I only use vi or vim.

Journeyman Geek

(though, the current cable I am messing with seems incompatible with ipv6)

tombull89

Our server room cables look like someone at a packet of Skittles and then vomited them back up.

MDMarra

@cole I was going to say vi is an alias for vim, but you probably have systems old enough to have the original vi :)

tombull89

(colourful, not messy)

cole

@MDMarra I do.

Scott Pack

13:58

I've used nano a couple of times. Back when I was stabbing myself with Gentoo and before I installed vim.

cole

:)

Journeyman Geek

@tombull89: Its a home lan, so its whatever cables I can get my paws on

Scott Pack

I remember pico being the default editor for pine.

cole

Server room cables are: green, blue and orange. Blue = LAN Green=Backup network Orange=KVM

Journeyman Geek

I haven't bought any cables in years. And I think I have a bunch of VERY long lan cables in a box somewhere from an old office setup...

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