The Comms Room

TheCleaner

16:01

nexttimecheckhere.com

that amihotswappableornot.com is available. That's pretty funny actually.

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Tom O'Connor

How do we feel about hardwareparty.com?

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker .Dont' hate.

Chopper3

Son didn't get an offer for Oxford - Boo; but he did get offers from all the other Uni's he applied for and two US colleges - Yay

Tom O'Connor

Woo

hardwarefire.com?

TheCleaner

hardwareparty is decent...but I'd presume software reviews/q&a would be in there quite a bit too.

If we are focused on non-home/non-client side...maybe something like "Fromthejackback.com"?

MikeyB

16:16

I disagree - a forum would be good because as we know, there isn't one right answer. And it should be invite-only :D

cole

I must have missed something.

Magellan

@Chopper3 Excellent!

Chopper3

@Magellan kinda

Tom O'Connor

Rackvine?

asking for trouble.

MikeyB

@TomO'Connor gottarackemall.com

@TomO'Connor rackr

Magellan

16:18

@Chopper3 Considering the steaming pile that is the US education system, I'm sure he'll do well even if he were average student in the UK.

Chopper3

@Magellan harvard and dartmouth btw

TheCleaner

@MikeyB I wasn't stating it would follow the same format as here. Personally, I think it should be akin to something like Amazon Reviews mixed with a forum that allows both discussion and "Should I buy this?" questions. Anything goes! Anarchy for all!

Tom O'Connor

@MikeyB I like that.

Magellan

@Chopper3 That is excellent. Useful connections going to school there.

Tom O'Connor

I just wish i knew what this site was for.

MikeyB

16:19

@TomO'Connor No match for "RACKR.NET".

Tom O'Connor

Iwas thinking rackr.io

TheCleaner

ratemy.io

Tom O'Connor

possibly.

although that becons people asking about iops.

TheCleaner

myioisbetterthanyour.io

Tom O'Connor

.pro is a thing for €15/year

Anonymous

16:20

wesley.xxx

faker

Rackr is a new free cloud service that helps you manage your data center assets - sure it is!

Tom O'Connor

it's not going to be .xxx

Anonymous

@TomO'Connor then we use the new TLDs? surely there must be a ".sexy" or ".cat" (nvm .cat is already there)

Anonymous

wesley.sexycat

Tom O'Connor

I've got a .cat

i have brew.cat

which was originally to make a packaging saas thing

but it cost me so much to run i killed it after a month

TheCleaner

16:23

theb.org

Tom O'Connor

hah

I want this to be for hardware/software shopping questions, anything else we vote as not constructive.

MikeyB

fsckthis.com

Tom O'Connor

still blank on names.

TheCleaner

hardwareporn.com

and suddenly 90% of the potential audience can't reach it.

techshoppingand.info

Tom O'Connor

@TheCleaner That's not half bad.

TheCleaner

16:30

the full techshoppingandinfo.com is also there if you wanted to redirect fools that didn't type it right.

Tom O'Connor

not really :P

TheCleaner

:)

well if you did you could ask mod_rewrite questions here first. :)

Tom O'Connor

@TheCleaner I don't need to ask mod_rewrite questions.

I use Nginx

TheCleaner

Is it wrong to publicly state that I didn't know how to pronounce that until last summer?

Chris S

@TheCleaner Your kindergarten teacher would be disappointed...

Tom O'Connor

16:35

@ChrisS So would yours

Chris S

@TomO'Connor They don't teach grammar in kindergarten. Which is why I failed.

Tom O'Connor

Ah.

I'm off home. I'll snag that domain when I get back.

Chris S

TheCleaner

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hooked on phonics worked for me!

mossy

$2,800 to fix my ABS

Tanner

16:43

Has anybody here tried daisy chaining monitors with DisplayPort? I'm having a bitch of a time with it.

mossy

yay

Tanner

@mossy ouch

Magellan

@mossy Dude. what happened with the job thing?

mossy

@Magellan They didn't fire me. I was scared at first.

@Magellan Basically client was sending me winky faces on our CMS. People started talking. So they ordered an award for me.

Magellan

@mossy I can imagine.

Chris S

16:47

@Tanner Don't know of any monitors that support it yet. You must have one though?

TheCleaner

@Tanner daisy chaining?

Chris S

The graphics card has to support it too. DP v1.2+
I know last year only AMD cards supported it.

Magellan

@mossy Wait, what? That's the extent?

MikeyB

@mossy Nice :) I've been waiting to hear the story behind that.

@ChrisS HOT DisplayPort ACTION!

mossy

@Magellan Mostly. I have no idea why it was on the star wall for a week.

Magellan

16:48

@mossy Because of the suspense and that post was awesome?

Tanner

@ChrisS hmm, yeah, the card is supposed to support it.

@mossy because it got pinned, and we all assumed you got caught plowing a client over your desk -- or something like that :P

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TheCleaner

What do you mean by daisy chaining them though? Monitor->monitor->DP?

Chris S

@TheCleaner yes - or there are external "splitters" that do to the same

Tanner

@TheCleaner yes

mossy

@Tanner Lol no. I dont sleep with unsightly clients.

TheCleaner

16:50

interesting...I didn't realize monitors had "inputs" beyond a speaker or usb input.

Tanner

@mossy I'm a little disappointed with 'diamond level'. Winky faces are 'honorable mention' at best.

Magellan

@Tanner no kidding. I've actually been part of the team that processed terminated staff for diamond level offenses.

Tanner

@TheCleaner We picked up some new fancy monitor from Dell that's going to replace the one we use now. All DisplayPort, no DVI. Too bad the daisy chain doesn't work or it would be great. Think I might be returning them.

I've had a couple users get drunk and call me from home trying to convince me to fly out and 'see them'. I must sound way better than I look...

TheCleaner

"The new DisplayPort v1.2 daisy chainable displays have both a DisplayPort input and a DisplayPort output" - now it makes sense.

Tom O'Connor

@TheCleaner It's done. :D

ewwhite

17:03

For those of you who deal with hardware, how prominent are Intel E5-2600v2 series processors at this point? If you're buying today, are you getting the older E5-2600 series or the v2 processors?

voretaq7

@ewwhite Depends on your vendor probably <checks mine>

Both :-)

their low-end series is still 2600, their high-end series is 2600v2 or 4603 :)

TheCleaner

@TomO'Connor done? Which domain did you go with?

voretaq7

(which means probably in 3-6 months they'll have sold their stock of the old shit)

ewwhite

@voretaq7 Right. I have a demanding client who rejected my quote for E5-2643 and E5-2670 CPUs, saying he wants the v2 models.

voretaq7

@ewwhite Ask him what his technical justification is for this requirement

(because 99% of the time there isn't one and he should go play a vigorous game of "hide and go fuck yourself")

ewwhite

17:07

@voretaq7 There totally isn't one.

voretaq7

@ewwhite Then he should play "Hide and go fuck yourself" - with a heavy-duty 3-phase industrial vibrator (SFW)

TheCleaner

Anyone else here heard of places like teespring? I saw a bunch of sponsored FB posts from various OU, FSU, Mizzou, etc. fake "official pages" that offered up t-shirts for their bowl game wins for $20+ each. Apparently you design a shirt and if it sells enough of the reserve for teespring to make money they get made and sold. You do nothing but design the shirt. The thing that got me was that some of those shirts said 3,302/50 sold. At even $1 back to you that's $3k for doing almost nothing.

ewwhite

@voretaq7 hey now, this is how I pay my bills... remember, I make a lot on this hardware

voretaq7

@ewwhite open up the machines and put a little red "V2" sticker on each CPU

(like they'll know the difference?!)

ewwhite

burn

Scott Pack

17:16

He could have done better.

ewwhite

Rebooting VMware VMs because VM memory hot-add does not work

Wesley

Well since StackBot is a twat and didn't post my revised blog post a day later, I'll have to do it on my own:

Stack Overflow’s Careers 2.0 Service is Not for SysAdmins or Related Disciplines

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ewwhite

@Wesley SHOW ME!!!

Wesley

@ewwhite STAR ME!!!

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voretaq7

@Wesley Pinned.

Wesley

17:19

Ohhhh, snap. My blog got a lot of referring traffic from this link: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/319/joels-room

I'm dead.

I'm so dead.

@voretaq7 NOOOOOO!!!

Scott Pack

@Wesley Did you see the new update?

Wesley

Joel is going to murder me in the face with a Cessna.

Magellan

@Wesley what article was it linking to?

Wesley

@ScottPack I saw it, yeah. Thought it was iffy.

@Magellan The starred one over yonder --->

@Magellan Not sure if =( or =)

Scott Pack

@Wesley YOU'LL BEND OVER AND TAKE IT AND LIKE IT YOU DIRTY FUCKING NOT-CODER

Wesley

17:20

Or ---X_X--->

Magellan

ah!

ewwhite

@Wesley snark!!

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A: Why does the careers 2.0 site cater to programmers only?

What's the problem? Stack Overflow is a big draw for developers. That's what companies want the most right now. Even the systems administrator jobs are in developer-driven or dev-focused firms. There's no lack of systems administration jobs on Careers.SE, though. I can attest to the appeal of...

Wesley

@ewwhite Kind of not the point, but I'll let it slide this once. Just this once!

ewwhite

Just sayin'

Wesley

@ewwhite Careers 2.0 caters to developers, not because of draw or what companies want, it's because Careers 2.0 says that's what it does.

Magellan

17:24

@Wesley Well written article.

Wesley

Sooo... if they kinda maybe said they were also for sysadmins, and maybe made that a little more prominent in the verbiage, and maybe kinda added some technical friendliness to the profile pages for sysadmins... then maybe they'd make more money on those job postings.

@Magellan Wow you read fast.

I tried to read A Tale of Two Cities once. Four hours later I still wasn't sure if it was a book about good times or bad times.

@Magellan Oh, and "software studs / studettes." Really?

Magellan

@Wesley fairly quickly. Oddly though, I see quite a few sysadmin positions in my Careers 2.0 blurb. Almost never see dev positions.

ewwhite

@Magellan exactly

Tanner

this seemed silly to me:

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A: Why does the careers 2.0 site cater to programmers only?

This is really a minor copy issue that we'll find an elegant way to fix. Careers is for programmers, and it is for sys admins. While the majority of positions on the site and employers using the search product are looking for programmers, we do have specific filters on both products to target...

minor copy issue? naw, it's all over...

Wesley

@Tanner I know, that kinda rankled me. It's not minor copy - and also the GitHubs, and the SourceForges are baked right in, along with sections of your profile that are for placing coding projects, open source stuff, etc. That's fine! Don't take that away, just maybe allow it to be hidden, and instead something more sysadminly included.

Then again, there's nothing that says sysadmins won't have GitHub accounts and good code up there. Not at all. I probably should, myself. But still... it's the principle.

I'm still annoyed that Ben Voigt got his ass beat, but he was right.

ewwhite

17:28

@Wesley It's a reflection of market conditions, too.

MikeyB

@Wesley "Michael is a nine-to-fiver who works best around midnight."

Wesley

@ewwhite Yeah, there's ten to one developers to sysadmins, so if you're getting $300 for a month of posting, and there's 1500 jobs on Careers 2.0 right now, that's a cool half million brotato.

Magellan

@Wesley I'm fairly convinced that the .SE environment is an afterthought. SO is probably consumes >95% pf .SE's resources.

Wesley

@MikeyB Yeah but you're smarter than most everyone else.

Magellan

SO gets more questions per minute than quite a few sites get per day.

Wesley

17:30

@Magellan I think so too yeah. Heck, StackOverflow's chat room has to have it's own dedicated hardware.

MikeyB

@Wesley It's a surprisingly accurate statement given the weird conditions from which it arose (day job, plus working on Discourse in the evenings).

Wesley

@Magellan I was going to say something really nasty about SO's relative quality, but then realized 1) Joel might see it and kill me, and 2) ServerFault has entered the state of the Eternal Weekend.

Magellan

@Wesley Yes. Way too much Google pagerank and so we get a lot of shit from people who know nothing about the other sites and couldn't care less anyway as long as their particular problem gets fixed.

@Wesley Quite a few places I've interviewed for sysadmin positions have asked if I could send them a link to my Github account. Not asking if I had, assuming I did.

TheCleaner

When I reply here, is message # accurately reflective of the true post #? Meaning is the comms room really at 13+ MM posts since inception? Somebody got a cool data.SE or similar to show me the top 50 posts (based on stars) of all time here in Comms Room?

Wesley

@Magellan Instructions unclear compiled kernel with toaster. Plz advice.

@TheCleaner No, it's SE-wide.

Magellan

17:34

@TheCleaner No. That's all chat rooms.

Perhaps excepting SO, not sure about that part.

Wesley

@Magellan So doesn't want its post count sullied by the ramblings of us filthy heathens!

FINGARS! Y U APOSTROPHE BAD?!

Magellan

@Wesley Heh, that assumes they're even aware of anyone else. Which I doubt.

Wesley

@Magellan Someone has to fix their printers.

Oh nice: didn't notice meta.serverfault.com/posts/6056/revisions

Magellan

@Wesley And those people are not programmers. And therefore a lower life form. You clearly don't work with programmers much.

Wesley

Kitty will be violin strings soon

Mathias R. Jessen

17:37

@Wesley I get the point, but what would the sysadmin equivalent of a code repo be?

Wesley

@MathiasR.Jessen Probably nothing quite 1:1.

Magellan

@Wesley Nah. That article probably was a Cessna to the face for them.

ewwhite

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Q: Creating RAID5 on PowerEdge 2900. Have 4 Physical Disks, but only recognizes 3. Why?

I have a PowerEdge 2900, I also have 4 physical Disks (2-160GB & 2-750GB) in loaded in the top bay. When executing RAID5, the execution only recognizes 3 physical disk (not all four). Can you help me. Thank you for you time.

@MathiasR.Jessen Exactly...

kce

Windows-peoples: Silly question time - if you run an .exe from a SMB/CIFS share it runs on your client and not the server right?

Magellan

@Wesley I don't even really agree with it, but it's a pretty powerful statement.

jscott

17:39

@kce Yes.

Mathias R. Jessen

@kce image copied to local machine and loaded into memory, yes

Wesley

@Magellan I think the biggest problem is less about how Careers is technically formatted and used to describe candidates and positions, and more about the copy and tone of the Careers 2.0 site.

Magellan

@Wesley certainly. perception is reality.

kce

@MathiasR.Jessen: That what's I thought. Our Devs thought it went the other way.

Tanner

@kce That's... a little silly.

jscott

17:41

@kce That would be a neat trick. The same would be true executing a binary from any other file system: e.g. Running bin from NFS-mounted share on Linux.

Mathias R. Jessen

@kce Nope, file is copied to a virtual/temp location, along with a stream containing zoning information based on the original location and then executed

TheCleaner

@kce the world would be full of broken servers full of viruses and other exploits if a client launching an .exe off a share caused it to run on the server hosting it.

Mathias R. Jessen

@TheCleaner Exactly ... the devs assumption demonstrates a pretty poor understanding of his natural habitat

Magellan

@jscott Now I'm curious. Gonna have to run a stacktrace on a binary from an NFS volume.

jscott

@TheCleaner Well, more full of...

Wesley

17:43

Also, Canadians: "Education55 Canadianisms You May Not Know or Are Using Differently"

Wow

TheCleaner

Or simply ask them "If I'm sharing this out via a Netapp NAS or a Linux Samba share, how does the EXE run then dev? That's what I want to know and NOW!"

Wesley

Frickin bracket conspiracy!

Magellan

@TheCleaner Actually, why wouldn't a mapped network drive simply issue IO call to load pages into the local machine's memory?

kce

@Tanner - I mean I can kind of see how they'd make that assumption. I mean you are running the .exe "on" the server (e.g., UNC path).

TheCleaner

local as in the server hosting or local as in the client?

Magellan

17:46

@TheCleaner local as in the machine running the process.

kce

@jscott, @MathiasR.Jessen, @TheCleaner - Now. Off to find the docs for proof...

TheCleaner

It does (well it brings it down to a temp location for processing). kce was stating that their devs thought that opening an .exe on a file share was akin to running a remote (citrix/rdp/etc) app. Which isn't the case.

Magellan

If the machine running the process is running a binary located on a network drive, why would it be a requirement for a copy of the binary to the local drive and then issue IOs to the local copy?

doh! gotta run. have to be at the DC in 20 minutes. later gents.

Tanner

@kce The fact that this exists should be proof enough: citrix.com/products/xenapp/overview.html

jscott

@kce Or run taskmgr on both the client and server, then launch the app.

Mathias R. Jessen

17:49

@kce Break out ProcMon, ProcessExplorer, taskmgr or tasklist and show him the error of his ways

TheCleaner

I don't believe it copies the binary down @Magellan - just does the processing locally (creating the temp files, etc. necessary on the local machine rather than on a temp space on the server)

kce

@MathiasR.Jessen - I suspect it will come to that. At least we talked about now prior to the implementation and not after.

TheCleaner

@jscott Or open a shared Excel spreadsheet on a share hosted on a server that doesn't have Office but the client does.

Mathias R. Jessen

Or place .exe on a CIFS share on a *NIX box and launch it on a windows client

jscott

@MathiasR.Jessen Do I have to install wine on the *nix box first? :)

ewwhite

17:58

@Iain Hills ;) strava.com/activities/104880823

Mathias R. Jessen

@jscott Apparently that's the only way :D

kce

Thanks all. I'm tired and I have a cold and the devs were pretty insistent (bless their hearts) and I was beginning to wonder if I had mixed up.

Tom O'Connor

@TheCleaner techshoppingand.info (and the .com variant, as it was reasonably cheap..)

Mathias R. Jessen

@TheCleaner You're right, it reads and loads it directly from the remote location - it even tries to load the original zone identifier stream from the UNC path

pauska

18:15

urghh

trying to delegate control in AD so that a specific user can join computers to the domain (and reset the account of it already exists)

for some unknown reason it keeps creating new computer objects in the default container instead of using the ones already there, resulting in conflicts

TheCleaner

@TomO'Connor nice. Always can be changed later if required. Now to find the right format/look/feel. Then I can setup my autocomment here to always plug it. :)

pauska

maybe it needs delegation of the default container aswell? anyone know if it's always in the default container when it's joined, and then moved? @mdmarra @ryanries

Nathan C

@pauska afaik in order for an account to join computers to a domain it needs both "add computer objects" and "delete computer objects" granted

Mathias R. Jessen

@pauska How exactly does he do the join operation?

pauska

@MathiasR.Jessen he? it's a Windows PE deployment (MDT)

I don't want it to have domain admin, as it stores the account used in plaintext

yeah ok I was not making clear that this was scripting, sorry about that :)

Magellan

18:25

@TheCleaner ah. Must've misunderstood what you were saying.

Also, 1st person I saw at the DC this morning was wearing a stack overflow shirt.

pauska

@Magellan a developer inside a data center? Did you do as you were supposed to (shoot him)?

MDMarra

@pauska How are you creating the computer object?

pauska

@MDMarra It's been pre-populated by a PS script, all the computer accounts are unregistered

MDMarra

@NathanC You don't need delete unless you're re-joining a computer to the domain

pauska

and how MDT joins it is beyond me

@MDMarra or reset it :)

MDMarra

18:29

So you have a pre-created account like Computer1 in OU1. Then when MDT tries to join the computer to the domain it's deleting Computer1 from OU1 and re-creating it in CN=computers,dc=viking,dc=local?

Is that right?

Magellan

@pauska. I think he was one of us, but in disguise. was arm deep in a busted system with a crash cart hooked up.

pauska

@MDMarra no, it's creating a new computer object in the default computer container, instead of just using the already premade object inside a deep OU tree

with the identical name (I didn't even know you could do that)

MDMarra

you can do that?

yeah something's not right there. Do they have the same SamAccountName? I bet they don't, but they have the same RDN probably

pauska

obviously.. I had "testpc1" in the computers OU and the same one in a different OU

yes, they do

except the one MDT makes is all caps

MDMarra

So you have two objects in the same domain with the same SamAccountName?

Mathias R. Jessen

18:31

@pauska Maybe this is the missing piece: scriptimus.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/mdt-2010-joining-a-domain ?

pauska

I have to pull up the recycle bin, wait

MDMarra

I may be of limited help here - never used MDT

Only WDS and now I don't do much desktop work

Mathias R. Jessen

@MDMarra No way, the Join operation should fail immediately with 2224

MDMarra

That's what I thought as well

The two objects probably have the same name but different DNs and different SamAccountNames (somehow) which is why it's allowed

pauska

are samaccountname case sensitive??

MDMarra

18:34

Not as far as I know

ewwhite

Some of you may think I'm frivolous... But this may solidify the opinion...

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Mathias R. Jessen

@pauska the values are not, no. The only way a conflict could arise is if you create two principals with the same name in different OUs at the same time on different DC's

cole

I need a third monitor - fffffffffffff

MDMarra

@ewwhite Dude, tell me you don't own that

ewwhite

@MDMarra thinking of buying it

MDMarra

18:36

DO IT

Only poor people touch their trash can, amirite?

pauska

Anonymous

@ewwhite if i knew you irl i would be literally thinking of punching you in the face if you bought that

ewwhite

@MDMarra My wife wants it

Mathias R. Jessen

@pauska o_O - that shatters my entire universe

MDMarra

@pauska well fuck me. There's no an extra space at the end of one?

Scott Pack

18:37

That thing is really stinking slow

pauska

@MDMarra no

cole

It's so small, and slow

Anonymous

and you loose the ability to toss a paper to it like any human being

Scott Pack

It's about the same size as my trashcan, which is under the sink on a dolly.

ewwhite

Oh, I'd get bigger one

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Scott Pack

18:38

I promise you that I can open the cabinet, pull out the can, throw away my trash, push in the can, and close the cabinet before that thing opens.

cole

@ScottPack Damn I wish I had that - I have to walk across my kitchen which is long (galley kitchen)

pauska

CN=Win7test-50,CN=Computers,DC=mdmarra,DC=local
CN=WIN7TEST-50,OU=Testmaskiner,OU=Windows 7,OU=Maskinpark,OU=Podium,OU=Computers,OU=Resources,OU=Konsern,DC=mdmarra,DC=local

Mathias R. Jessen

@pauska repadmin /showobjmeta . <GUID=[objectGuidOfAccountHere]> on both objects please, that's the weirdest shit I've seen for a long time

pauska

copy/pasted from ldap

ewwhite

MDMarra

18:39

"Hi trash can company, this is Ed White"

"Mr White. We've been waiting for you..."

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MikeyB

@ewwhite … she wants the D? Nice.

2

Anonymous

lol

cole

You guys are creeps.

Scott Pack

@cole homedepot.com/p/ClosetMaid-24-qt-White-Pullout-Trash-Can-3103/…

ewwhite

My wife wants to recycle

pauska

18:40

Win7test-50
WIN7TEST-50$

ewwhite

Pssh...

pauska

wait a fucking second

Scott Pack

@cole The chassis screws into the bottom.

pauska

why is there a $ on the second samaccountname

Anonymous

youtube.com/user/simplehuman/videos

Mathias R. Jessen

18:40

@pauska there should be

pauska

it gets hidden from the ui

MDMarra

@pauska All computer accounts end in a $

Anonymous

seriously that company has a hidden fetish for sensors

cole

@ScottPack wonder if my landlord would be pissed

pauska

not the premades one my coworker laid out

apparently

Scott Pack

18:40

I keep my 60 gallon recycle bin in the garage beside the door with the lid open. Which works out well because it's just off the kitchen.

pauska

do they miss the $ when they're not used?

MDMarra

Not sure

I'm on a mac now with no Windows VMs on it

Anonymous

@ewwhite your wife could use this too

Anonymous

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MDMarra

:-|

pauska

18:41

tested, nope, the $ is there

cole

@ScottPack I don't have a lot of trash so it'd be nice for me.

pauska

how the hell did he manage to create these

MDMarra

Did he decide to try out his brand new C# provisioning program or something?

PowerShell and/or ADUC will do it correctly

Scott Pack

@cole It seems small, but I only take it out about 3 times a week, which is annoying.

ewwhite

Who wants a job?

Mathias R. Jessen

18:42

@pauska What is the value of the userAccountControl and samaccounttype attributes?

ewwhite

Dear Edmund,

I came across your resume and wanted to reach out to you about a Systems Engineer opportunity I have in downtown Chicago. If I am off base in my search, I apologize for the inconvenience.

This position would be a long term contract or contract to hire opportunity. My client is looking for someone to come and and help them with this role going forward.

I have attached the requirements of the job description. If this would be of interest to you, please get in touch with me. I look forward to hearing from you.

Mathias R. Jessen

On the one without the $

ewwhite

That's pretty bold of a recruiter

Scott Pack

@cole Trash pick up is weekly and the bin is almost never more than 30% full. Recycling is every other week so I frequently make trips to the local drop off to get rid of boxes.

MDMarra

@ewwhite lololol

Magellan

18:43

@ewwhite you people dont have mandatory recycling there?

Scott Pack

@ewwhite When they say "long term" what's that mean? More than 1 year?

Ryan Ries

What is the deal with search engines returning results that do NOT have +Searchterm in them even when I use a plus sign, it's annoying me

pauska

@MathiasR.Jessen 4128 and 805306369

MDMarra

@RyanRies yo

read up

Mathias R. Jessen

@ewwhite I think he's looking for Ned Pyle

cole

18:43

@ScottPack ah, both are weekly here. (Tuesday's for me)

MDMarra

@pauska broke computer account provisioning

voretaq7

@RyanRies + gets ignored now because fucking idjits.

ewwhite

@Magellan My old city didn't have a recycling program. They closed the recycling center and said, "screw it, we're broke"

my new city has recycling, but I'm just not in the habit of separating things out

pauska

@MathiasR.Jessen those two are correct.. something must have gone horribly wrong when he created these

cole

My face hurts.

Ryan Ries

18:44

@MDMarra @pauska Oh yeah, you are creating CNFs when you join computers?

Scott Pack

@cole They alternate yard waste and recycling. They also rotate the days based on non-collection holidays. It's...frustrating. Thankfully the city has a web app to keep track of when pickup is.

pauska

@RyanRies ?

ewwhite

@MathiasR.Jessen should I just respond "Nope"?

cole

@ScottPack wow that's a PITA

MDMarra

Paper recycling is usually a sham anyway. Rainforests aren't getting chopped down because of paper, it's for furniture and houses. Paper nurseries are relatively self-sustaining

Scott Pack

18:44

yeah

cole

Fuck that noise.

Ryan Ries

@pauska The name will get changed to CNF:{guid}

pauska

does New-ADComputer -SAMAccountName bleh take into account the $ ?

MDMarra

It should, yes

pauska

@RyanRies I really have no idea what you're talking about.. I'm no AD guru

Nathan C

18:45

Our pickup is once a week and we have separate bins for trash and recycling. We missed last week so now the trash bin is full...we put the other bags into the recycling bin

pauska

"Note: If the SAMAccountName string provided, does not end with a '$', one will be appended if needed."

then how the living hell did he manage to create objects without a $?

hnnngh

Nathan C

Since they won't pick up bags not in the bin (which is stupid). I also can't dispose of anything electronic without paying for it (or tossing it in a black trashbag and hope they don't notice)

MDMarra

@pauska if you make two objects with the same name at the same time on two different DCs, when they replicate, one will get conflicted and have CNF:<bullshitnumbers> appended to it

That's not what you're seeing though

pauska

oh

Mathias R. Jessen

@RyanRies No, that's just for naming conflicts, samaccountname conflicts result in the samaccountname being changed to $DUPLICATE-[random string]

pauska

18:46

right, nope nothing like that here

Ryan Ries

@MathiasR.Jessen Right you are

Mathias R. Jessen

That would happen if (as in @pauska 's case) the RDN is the same but the DN is different

Ryan Ries

I have to clean up both kinds of conflicts all the time because my VMware team doesn't know how to do proper domain joins of ESXi hosts

ewwhite

@RyanRies You joint your hosts to the domain?

MDMarra

This is great. I jsut finish up my MCSE: Server Infrastructure, stop and get food, sit down to eat, open my laptop, and bam a question I can't answer. How valuable can this cert even be!?!?!

Ryan Ries

18:48

I wrote a script that just looks for both CNF:{guid} and $DUPLICATE- and deletes them with extreme prejudice

cole

@MDMarra ah you're official!?

Ryan Ries

@ewwhite Yes

MDMarra

@cole Well, I passed the last test. It's not official until Microsoft approves the results

Usually takes a day

ewwhite

@RyanRies but why? Isn't it only necessary to join vCenter?

cole

@MDMarra congrats bro

MDMarra

18:49

thanks

Ryan Ries

@ewwhite Central user directory for authentication > local accounts

ewwhite

Right, why do you need local ESXi host accounts?

I'm just curious, as that's new to me.

MDMarra

Emergencies?

ewwhite

root

MDMarra

Emergencies when lockdown mode is on and you're lazy?

pauska

18:51

not everyone wants to share the root password with everyone

Ryan Ries

Auditors destroy us any time they sniff any usage of a shared account on anything

ewwhite

At LW, we went through an intensive audit, and I had to justify the vSphere security practices.

so I'm curious how other people do this.

but at the same time, I rarely (never) have local host accounts. Usually AD backing vSphere SSO now.

but granted, last employer had the same root password for every Linux and ESXi server.

Ryan Ries

I think we're going to try to put a two-factor PAM on the ESXi hosts too

Magellan

@ewwhite we even have ,andatory composting here. there's technically structire for fining people for failure to separate them out

MDMarra

@ewwhite Our VMware engineers don't recommend AD SSO with 5.5

ewwhite

18:55

@MDMarra That's nice.

MDMarra

(According to them) there have been too many bugs with it

ewwhite

SSO has been rewritten twice, maybe? It went from WTF, to WUT? to Meh.

MDMarra

haha

ewwhite

but it allows me to set host and datacenter-level perms, so I'm happy with it

MDMarra

It used to run on AD LDS. You'd think it would be a little more integrated with AD DS

ewwhite

18:57

@MDMarra well, now I don't recommend using a Windows vCenter.

not for 5.5

vSphere appliance

MDMarra

Right, it's destined for death

ewwhite

and that's what sucks... the old approach worked... until it didn't

MDMarra

I was just saying, if they built the first iteration on AD LDS, they should have had the expertise to make the appliance version better than it is now

ewwhite

my december VMware implosion was the result of vCenter database issues.

@MDMarra it's not bad now...

MDMarra

You still can't do linked-mode with the appliance, right?

And VUM still relies on a Windows Server?

ewwhite

18:59

but it's actually Linux (SuSE) with an embedded DB (Postgres) integrating with Active Directory using Likewise.

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