The Comms Room

ewwhite

13:00

@ScottPack Back in my HP-UX days, we would break mirrors to conduct lengthy tape backup, then rejoin.

Oh god... I'm old.

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MDMarra

@ewwhite it's not how any reasonable person would do it. No quiescing, your array is degraded

Dan

I've actually used that method to clone a server - but only if it's got a valid backup

@MDMarra Oh yeah, and not while hot.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Dan so why not clone from the backup?

Dan

@DennisKaarsemaker Quicker and easier most of the time

Dennis Kaarsemaker

then your backups suck :)

Dan

13:02

What, you know of a backup system that's quicker than a RAID1 rebuild with local disks?

ewwhite

HP's Split-Mirror functionality - (now with MOAR rollback)

Scott Pack

@ewwhite Seriously? You managed HP-UX? I remember installing tintin++ on an HP-UX system and playing MUDs all day.

Dan

@DennisKaarsemaker Besides, as I have to often explain here - they're rarely my systems or my backups. I just work with what there is :)

ewwhite

@ScottPack I've had HPUX, SCO, AIX, NeXT, SGI... Ultrix....

Scott Pack

That all sounds pretty terrible

ewwhite

13:03

(no Solaris until ZFS)

Journeyman Geek

@ewwhite heh, irix boxen were pretty sweet

Scott Pack

>_< So can one not use install to copy a directory tree?

ewwhite

in their day... hence my love for XFS

Journeyman Geek

also, fully mouse navigable open firmware 'bioses'

mbrownnyc

13:26

Hello guys... where can I see a list of questions that are within my subscribed tags? Is there a place for this? Or should I just view posts with the tags?

Scott Pack

@DennisKaarsemaker So I'm trying to use %{_install} to copy a directory tree into the buildroot. Either the man page is completely fucking batshit worthless, or it doesn't support that option. What's the "preferred" method after that? Just a plain old copy and fixup the perms?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I've never heard of an %{_install} macro. It's %{__install} in my specfiles. and that's just an alias for /usr/bin/install, so you can just use that. But install can't copy entire directories afaik, just create directories and copy single files.

Scott Pack

@DennisKaarsemaker >_< whatever

That's what I thought. This app has a complicated enough directory structure that I didn't want to have to fuck with doing each directory individually.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

rsync :)

or give the app itself a proper make install :)

Scott Pack

It has a make install. It just puts files in ridiculous places that make no goddamn sense.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

13:35

hehe

%{__mv} :)

Scott Pack

My install has a macro for cp but not for rsync.

Yeah, that's what I was going to resort to doing.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

(also, why the F&*(#@ does redhat make macros out of everything...)

Scott Pack

I wasn't sure if there was a "proper" way when install doesn't work.

It kind of makes sense from a portability perspective.

That way your specs would work on systems with both /bin/cp and /usr/bin/cp

It just happens that the RPM specs are only used on RedHat and derivatives which all use /bin/cp

Dennis Kaarsemaker

or just use cp and rely on $PATH being sane...

Scott Pack

Not you're just being silly.

Nathan C

13:41

'elo

pauska

aaaaaaaargh I forgot to create a custom alarm in vsphere for vm's with snapshots active

one of the datastores are eaten up :(

Journeyman Geek

@ScottPack: couldn't you just give it a prefix that makes sense when configuring it?

Nathan C

1

Q: MySQL query extremely slow after server restart

I am managing a very large database for a custom application I wrote to keep track of visitors. The DB server was rebooted for the first time in over a year - not even to install any updates, but simply because we needed to move the hardware. From running a query within 1 second it now takes se...

Think DBA would want this question?

MDMarra

@ewwhite are you really recommending RDX in good faith?

Or just for the rep?

mossy

Guys I don't know what to do.

So many certifications out there. So little money.

Journeyman Geek

13:46

lol

Nathan C

@mossy I'm taking my Network+ Friday...

Journeyman Geek

@mossy: there's two ways to look at it, what do you want to learn, or what do you need

mossy

@NathanC Good luck!

MDMarra

@mossy What do you want to do. Systems or Network?

Journeyman Geek

(though, I've mostly been doing what're in effect free undergrad modules both for boredom, and amusingly, stress relief)

Nathan C

13:48

Thanks. My work is actually paying for the time spent on the exam which is a bonus. :)

cole

Morning

mossy

I'm going for my bachelors in information technology / security. (When I grad. I take my CCNA) But I honestly don't want anything more than my CCNA.

I really want a solid Linux administration foundation.

MDMarra

Then do RHCA/RHCE

Journeyman Geek

@mossy: just curious, what does that focus on?

I'm doing something reasonably similar, and its mostly management and forensics centric.

ewwhite

@MDMarra I own RDX drives.

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Q: Are RDX removable disks a good replacement for LTO tape?

Over a period of three weeks, I experienced six complete failures of LTO-1 and LTO-2 tape drives at client sites. Some had failed mechanisms. Others lost the ability to write reliably. These were HP Ultrium 232, 448 and 460 drives. Most of these units were deployed between 2006 and 2008, so the t...

backup hard-drive tape

I sell RDX drives to my clients.

mossy

13:51

@JourneymanGeek It's really focused on Network security. There are basic windows / linux administration classes along the way, but that ends fast.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

mossy

@MDMarra Yeah that's what I've been looking at for awhile. Was hoping I could start with something else first.

$$$$

Journeyman Geek

(and heh, I'm pretty seriously considering doing an online cs degree in my spare time, assuming I can afford it)

cole

@mossy LPIC exams. Not sure how much weight they carry though.

ewwhite

none

cole

13:54

Linux+ loljk

MDMarra

@mossy Why? Entry level certs aren't worth a whole lot

Nathan C

@mossy My major was IT Management which touched on quite a broad range of subjects...but nothing teaches better than getting your hands dirty

Journeyman Geek

@NathanC: yeah

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@cole lpi level one: worthless. two: meh, ok. three: getting somewhere.

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek If only. It does weird things like installing 5 config files directly into etc instead of it's own directory. Installing all libraries into /lib no matter your arch. It also installs some into prefix/share, but then others into prefix/usr/share.

mossy

13:55

@MDMarra I question my knowledge often. Would make me feel better. lol

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek The whole installation process is borked up.

Journeyman Geek

@ScottPack: in that case ^&#^&*^&* DEVELOPERS.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ScottPack which app is this and how do I avoid it?

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek Precisely. Academics no less.

MDMarra

@mossy If money's tight, you should go for the big value items :D

Scott Pack

13:55

@DennisKaarsemaker Bro.

Journeyman Geek

@mossy I do it all the time too. You never know what you know

@ScottPack yanno, that explains it all.

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek Yeah...yeah it really does.

@JourneymanGeek Also. cmake

Journeyman Geek

I can't remember offhand why thats a particularly horrible thing

Scott Pack

It's just annoying. The only way for me to build a file manifest for installation was to actually run make install and be thankful it prints out to the screen every file it installed.

ewwhite

@mossy What's the problem?

Are you working now?

mossy

14:01

Dennis Kaarsemaker

fucking taleo

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Journeyman Geek

lol

who is? ;p

Dennis Kaarsemaker

not only is their "webapp" a flash appplication

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker heh

Dennis Kaarsemaker

it can't search or filter

and it's "sort by date" sorts dates alphabetically!

Scott Pack

14:02

@DennisKaarsemaker Go do it in Safari.

MDMarra

wtf is taleo

tombull89

@DennisKaarsemaker wtf

ewwhite

@MDMarra applicant tracking platform

Dennis Kaarsemaker

recruitment webapp

mossy

@ewwhite Yeah I am. I'm just trying to decide on what certs to get, and the order. So I came in here crying.

MDMarra

14:03

Oh

Dennis Kaarsemaker

we have thousands of candidates in there, and it has no search

Scott Pack

It and icims appear to be the most popular.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

and I can't find the bugger...

MDMarra

I turned down a job from Kenexa a while ago. They're another SaaS recruitment/tracking/HR company

ewwhite

@mossy get the certs that are within your skill and training potential. And the ones your employer will pay for.

MDMarra

14:03

It was like walking into a brainwashing

Scott Pack

@DennisKaarsemaker Don't worry, it's just as terrible for the applicants.

cole

@ScottPack ya we use icims here.

Scott Pack

@cole It's only slightly less terrible than taleo.

ewwhite

I had the infra for hrmdirect at my last job... no, we were literally hosting it...

cole

Weee starting off the day with LDAP shit.

Well, I actually started off my day with an 8AM meeting about cloud shit

MDMarra

14:05

@cole (&(objectclass=user)(memberof=fuckthisshit))

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cole

I had an 8AM meeting about my butt!

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Ryan Ries

CN=fuckthisshit,OU=I,OU=Quit,DC=You,DC=Suck

cole

How am I to know what Authentication Scope you need!? You don't even know who's going to use this product.

@RyanRies lulz.

Authentication Filter: e.g ,on using MS AD user id to authenticate, so the value for the filter is going to be (&(sAMAccountName={uid})(objectclass=user)). Is this format correct? Pretty sure that filter is backwards?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

CN=which,OU=moron,OU=thought,OU=this,DC=is,DC=good,DC=syntax

MDMarra

@RyanRies Uh dude. Are you really using a made up TLD? I don't think .suck is a valid gTLD (yet)

cole

14:10

But pretty sure authnetication wise you need to use DN

Ryan Ries

I'll register it

cole

But without looking AT THE GOD DAMN PRODUCT TO SEE HOW TO CONFIGURE IT I DONT KNOW

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MDMarra I see a great opportunity for a business there. .sucks is bound to be popular :)

MDMarra

@cole I don't think the order of the filters matter when they're being &'ded

Ryan Ries

I'm trying to programmatically create a new GPO, define a setting within that GPO, and then link it to the domain and it's FREAKING DIFFICULT

MDMarra

14:11

@RyanRies freak

cole

@MDMarra ah, but I'd think you'd use DN for authentication and not a filter?

MDMarra

You can use a filter for that in most cases

cole

Ah ok

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MDMarra it may matter for performance

MDMarra

Anything that comes back as a match will work

cole

14:12

@DennisKaarsemaker lolperformance

Dan

@RyanRies Yep - I can't remember why but I mooted creating a GPO dynamically once and it's not simple

Dennis Kaarsemaker

OH: OMG - everything in Australia that doesn't kill you will get you high!

Tweeted by freakboy3742 on January 8, 2014 at 2:11 PM

@markhenderson is this true?

Scott Pack

@DennisKaarsemaker Incidentally, thanks for validating that writing SPECs is still just as painful and archaic as it always has been. It's refreshing to know that it's no easier now than it was 17 years ago.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ScottPack it's a bit easier now. vim can do more tricks for you :)

Scott Pack

@DennisKaarsemaker I've seen some of those neato ones that autofill the template for you and such, yes that's nice.

cole

14:21

I can't brain today.

If the search base and scope are both DC=<blah>,DC=<blahblah>,DC=com - LDAP will be able to search the whole directory, no?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

hm? scope isn't a DN. It's 'single' or 'subtree'

cole

@DennisKaarsemaker I'm trying to figure out how to let them search all of AD

He asked: Authentication Scope: how deep to go below the Authentication Search Base?. In LDAP world this is called subtree.

Fucking hate LDAP

Oh I think I understand now, they want subtree.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

yes, that's what he said :)

cole

Yeah but I've never been asked that before

I understand now you can specify "base", "one level" or "subtree"

Dennis Kaarsemaker

or 'children', apparently (I just re-read the manpage for ldapsearch)

cole

14:29

Learning all the things lately. Yesterday I learned a shit ton about KMS from @MDMarra [email protected], today it's LDAP.

Mathias R. Jessen

@DennisKaarsemaker I'm pretty sure "children" == "one level"

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MathiasR.Jessen not sure

Mathias R. Jessen

Or in plain english: all direct descendants

Dennis Kaarsemaker

   -s {base|one|sub|children}
          Specify  the scope of the search to be one of base, one, sub, or
          children to specify a base object, one-level, subtree, or  chil-
          dren search.  The default is sub.  Note: children scope requires
          LDAPv3 subordinate feature extension.

Mathias R. Jessen

Ahh, subordinate referrals, interesting

Now even I'm learning all the things

@cole this is great :D

Dennis Kaarsemaker

14:33

the things you can learn from a manpage, eh :)

cole

The thing you can learn from reading!

*things - dammit

Dennis Kaarsemaker

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tombull89

> such anger. much wow.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I want to add this to so many questions sometimes :)

cole

Doge <3

TheCleaner

14:46

@MDMarra @ewwhite @NathanC - I've edited that question about hot swap backups, breaking out his actual questions. The answers seem to be more along the opinion line of what people recommend rather than just black/white answers to his question. So feel free to edit your answer to reflect answers to his actual questions if you'd like. Not that you have to... :)

MikeyB

I fucking love racoon's error messages:

Jan 8 09:54:50 defender racoon: [x.x.x.x] ERROR: error message: '1 H ?![> y/ = s l <{ 1 ? T ^ J $e/ '.`

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Mathias R. Jessen

@TheCleaner What's up with all the hate on serverfault.com/a/565842/105072 ? It's a terrible idea, but it's the only non-opinion answer and totally valid - am I missing something?

Tom O'Connor

Would it help matters if questions over 12 months old with accepted answers were automatically protected.

Mathias R. Jessen

@TomO'Connor It would probably filter out the worst n00b noise, but it might also be an inconvience

Chris S

15:03

@TomO'Connor I've proposed that on mSO before... I think it's at -15 right now.

Tom O'Connor

@ChrisS I wish SE sites had a configurable workflow engine type thing so we could autonomously test these things out

Chris S

I suppose, but I don't have any real gripes with the way things work right now.

Noobs already have to ignore a lot of warning messages when posting

If there's one thing Noob are good at, it's ignoring directions.

If there's two things they're good at, the second is doing exactly what those directions told them not to do.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MikeyB you mean you don't understand that?

Tom O'Connor

@ChrisS Yeah, but if we set the protect threshold higher, to say 100 rep..

then they'd be forbidden from posting n00bish answers.

until we'd proven by the quality of their questions if they were a turd or not.

Chris S

They could decrease the threshold to 2... All the drive-by problems are 1-rep users.

Mathias R. Jessen

15:08

@RyanRies For my own amusement and a possible blog post, I'm playing around with unlikely ways to break AD DS. Any suggestions as to how I can cause a lot of fragmentation in ntds.dit?

Chris S

Also, SF's stats are in the Toilet... Right now we've got the least community participation in years...

MDMarra

@MathiasR.Jessen With the same script you'll use to simulate RID exhaustion? :)

Ryan Ries

@MathiasR.Jessen Yep like @MDMarra says, you just need a script to automatically create and delete a shitload of objects.

Iain

@ChrisS how do you mean ?

Magellan

Morning gents

Mathias R. Jessen

15:13

@MDMarra RID exhaustion is not interesting in this scenario, I'm taking it to the next level to see what happens when the DNT index counter wraps at 2^31 :-)

MikeyB

@DennisKaarsemaker It's probably valid code, I just can't tell which language.

Chris S

@Iain Questions asked, new users, votes... every stat is either the lowest it's ever been, or close thereto.

MDMarra

@MathiasR.Jessen ಠ_ಠ

Mathias R. Jessen

@RyanRies Yeah I thought about that, but shouldn't I introduce some randomness of sorts?

Chris S

The only measures that are up are pageviews (unique and repeat are both up).

Ryan Ries

15:14

@ChrisS Where do you see stats like that? Or is it only available to insiders?

Iain

SF as a resource for the pro is pretty much dead

Mathias R. Jessen

@MDMarra I have a bet with a Microsoft employee on this, he says it's not possible to reach so high a value that you MUST install a new replica/DC - I'm trying to win and/or scare him

Chris S

@RyanRies Insiders only - I can discuss generalizations, but not hard numbers.

MDMarra

@Iain Thankfully we have chat, where we can mull the great mysteries of our day, like what's in the giant Amazon box.

Ryan Ries

@MathiasR.Jessen With a sufficiently clever script you can have randomness

Iain

15:16

@MDMarra yep

Scott Pack

@ChrisS Can you discuss anything else that's hard?

Mathias R. Jessen

@RyanRies Hmmm... I'll go home and try to be a little clever then

Ryan Ries

I hope it's a shitload of smaller Amazon boxes

Scott Pack

@MDMarra Nissan Versa.

MDMarra

Well, no need for chat anymore. See ya!

Chris S

15:16

@ScottPack The wife wouldn't like that. ;]

Scott Pack

@MDMarra huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/06/…

It was in the Huffington Post so it has to be true.

Ryan Ries

@MathiasR.Jessen For instance, you could store all your OUs in an array, and randomly pick OUs in which to create the users, use an algorithm to randomly generate their names, etc.

Scott Pack

That sounds complicated. Just put everything in one OU

MikeyB

@RyanRies It's a single Monster cable.

Mathias R. Jessen

@RyanRies Assuming that NTDS is efficient in creating and storing new objects, I think I might have to delete objects in random order (with regards to the order in which they where created)... Lab time

TheCleaner

15:20

@MathiasR.Jessen I don't know to be honest...I agree that most of the answers are opinions...which is why I offered the big players here in chat a chance to revise their answers.

Iain

@ChrisS I'm surprised that new users is down as there seems to be loads of them on the front page (although I don't recall the definition of new users) and do your stats take in the big dip for the holiday period - our questions/day is currently down to just 70 because of that

TheCleaner

@MathiasR.Jessen - that's why my comment was centered around the fact that the question lends towards opinions.

" Honestly, it's all a matter of what you like and can RESTORE from easily. If it works for you, and you and your company are fine with it...go with whatever you'd like. Use pigeons carrying printouts daily offsite for all it matters, as long as it works for you. "

Ryan Ries

Jet Blue is a decent little database system

Or ESE, I should say.

Chris S

@Iain December was the lowest in ~2 years. November was the worst in 1.5 years.

Scott Pack

Eat it @Wesley! meta.serverfault.com/a/6072/3356

Mathias R. Jessen

15:25

@RyanRies Agreed, at least when it comes to low-footprint efficiency. Before diving into AD DS, I did a lot of Exchange 2007/2010 maintenance and firefighting. Exchange owes a lot of its merits to ESE :)

Ryan Ries

Yeah, I'm glad they never went to SQL.

Not that there's anything wrong with MS SQL, just that it's overkill for such a job

pauska

Exchange has gotten really good at self healing

it's nearly at the point where you're guaranteed to restore from backup if eseutil can't fix it straight away

Iain

@ChrisS In truth I think SF is way bigger than it should be and that is largely due to the large number of amateurs that swing by and ask crappy questions. I doubt that our target market is really much bigger than NE's. Unfortunately we have been discovered by the hoards and the rest is erm shit

Magellan

@TheCleaner indeed. my coworkers have an irrational hatred of tape backups. It annoys me. tape is perfect for long-term offline storage of huge amounts of data.

Iain

The crappy questions keep the real pros away ... meh we've been round this loads

Chris S

15:30

@Iain maybe that's true...

@Iain Yeah, that's definitely true.

Nathan C

Yay...infinite loop in a .NET web app caused IIS to freak

Tom O'Connor

I'm still thinking of setting up a clonesite to handle shopping questions, with affiliate links.

Chris S

Even I hardly answer questions anymore... I get sick of the people who can't be bothered to read man pages or whatever the relevant resource

TheCleaner

I don't know databases enough but I wonder if they could somehow have Exchange databases not hold the actual mailboxes but just the metadata and Exchange data. Then keep each mailbox in its own database file. Similar to other email systems.

pauska

It's true what Iain says.. we've gotten too big.. the questions are ranked high on google and therefore we get the horde of indian IT tech workers

Iain

15:32

@pauska who mostly skip over from SO

pauska

@TheCleaner In my head it seems like a nice idea for troubleshooting and so on, but terrible for performance

they've done a lot of work to queue up async writes against the echange store so that it can sequentially write/read to big files.. it's what makes exchange 2010/2013 run like hell on NL-SAS

TheCleaner

@TomO'Connor I'd be willing to assist or at least help moderate. I'm not a web programmer, but I'd be willing to help in whatever capacity. I think a good one is lacking in the web. Something like Amazon Reviews for IT pros would be very helpful.

@pauska TBH, I stopped caring after we went to O365. Let MS run whatever tech they want on the back end as long as my email works. The whole distributed mailboxes across multiple, redundant DAGs that are geo-dispersed for a single exchange org on O365 is straight up voodoo anyway.

Magellan

@ChrisS Most of the problems I come across nowadays aren't answered by SF questions, but by U&L.

Tom O'Connor

@TheCleaner I think this SaaS is probably a good start shapado.com/plans

and a domain for it :P

dunno what to call it ;p

Dennis Kaarsemaker

shopfault.com :P

Tom O'Connor

15:37

:P

Joel might kill me for that.

qandaishard.com

letsgoshopping.com

TheCleaner

@TomO'Connor Time for a kickstarter?

Tom O'Connor

If I had the time to follow up on it .

Time to build a team, first.

kickit later

Magellan

And I think that both of the last two questions I've answered got migrated offsite anyway.

Nathan C

I propose discourse for the "platform" discourse.org =P

Tom O'Connor

@NathanC Not a forum.

Nathan C

15:42

@TomO'Connor Well...what's SE? It's a glorified forum with voting

You post, people reply.

Scott Pack

@NathanC HERETIC!!!

TheCleaner

ITproReviews.com
PickAdamnServer.com
IsMyVARscrewingMeOver.com
willITwork.com

Nathan C

OhGodMyServerIsBurning.com

Dennis Kaarsemaker

we shouldn't let @ewwhite in though, he'll just be bitching about supermicro and vmware :)

Scott Pack

@TheCleaner WillItBike.com

TheCleaner

15:45

@ScottPack :) Wesley can have a sub-forum.

Danila Ladner

"howdoiresign.com"

TheCleaner

NobodyEverGotFiredforBuying.com

cole

hngg why do I have a headache.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@cole 'cause you can't drink alcohol anymore

cole

@DennisKaarsemaker :(

Scott Pack

15:46

@cole It's probably your vestigial lady parts.

cole

@ScottPack :( :(

TheCleaner

RateMyITquote.com

Magellan

@NathanC ServerFire.com?

cole

Probably lack of sleep + clenching my teeth.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@TheCleaner AmIHotSwappableOrNot.com

Scott Pack

15:48

@DennisKaarsemaker My name is Scott Pack and I approve of and/or endorse this product and/or message.

Tanner

ahahaha

TheCleaner

@DennisKaarsemaker lol...took me a quick second...but that's awesome. Reminds me of when I heard about "RateMyRack" and thought it was about server cabinets.

Tom O'Connor

If you want us to give this thing a go, @ message me a domain by UTC 00:00 09/01/2014 and I'll buy it.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@TheCleaner oh, that's classic :)

Tom O'Connor

.com .net or similar only.

or .io maybe.

but they're expensive.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

15:50

goatserver.cx

Tanner

@TomO'Connor I think a .io is $40?

TheCleaner

Cheer.io
Or.io
Eie.io

Tom O'Connor

I get good deals on .com

Journeyman Geek

lol

Tom O'Connor

eie.io is tempting, actually.

[email protected]

TheCleaner

15:52

Old O'Connor needed a server farm....eie.io. And on that server farm he needed some Cisco gear...eie.io.

Iain

@TomO'Connor that'd probably be a good name

Tom O'Connor

gandi.net/whois/details?search=eie.io

what does "Domain reserved" even mean?!

Journeyman Geek

lol

Dan

@TomO'Connor IANA reserved?

TheCleaner

Oooh...I think I've found one...and it is available.

Magellan

15:54

Because farm animals?

TheCleaner

and a good play on words

Tom O'Connor

oh?

TheCleaner

@TomO'Connor - ITisallabout.us (product reviews from real IT folks)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

yuck

Tom O'Connor

Yeah, i'm not keen o nthat.

TheCleaner

15:56

lol...screw you both! I'm reserving that bastard myself then

Dennis Kaarsemaker

:)

time to go home

TheCleaner

I'll sell it to the Olsen Twins later.

Magellan

serversplosion.com

Tom O'Connor

heh

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