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@RyanRies I'm under the impression that you dont have to adprep, even from 2003 > 2012. The promotion process handles it automatically now
But I haven't done it myself
posted on July 26, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

Today is the 14th annual celebration of System Administrator Appreciation Day, as you probably know. I've talked about it a lot on this blog, there are all kinds of events going on, and whenever people have lamented the fact that there wasn't an event in their area, my answer was universally, "start one!" A lot […]

posted on August 07, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

I've been under the weather, so this is something that I should have published a couple of weeks ago but didn't. Although failure on my part doesn't constitute an emergency on yours, in this case, quick action will benefit you, so read fast. I had planned on going to PuppetConf in San Francisco this year, […]

posted on August 09, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

Oh, it's going to be one of these days… The director of the NSA announced that the secretive intelligence agency plans to prevent future security breaches by replacing the position once held by whistleblower and former NSA contractor Edward Snowden with computers. It's a case of t-shirt turns to reality, I see. OK. With all […]

posted on August 11, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

I'm very happy to announce that the winners of the PuppetConf passes are Brett Inman and Matthew Barr Congratulations guys! I have extended to them the offer of hosting a review, if they feel like writing it. I'm pretty bummed that I can't go, so I hope that they have fun and return with tons […]

posted on September 02, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

A year in, and I'm still not used to the oddities of how the academic environment works. It is currently the end of August, and summer break is nearly over. Early this coming week is "Move In", when all of the students descend upon Boston and move back into their dorms after a summer full […]

posted on September 11, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

I remember my first Ohio Linux Fest like it was yesterday. Well, it's been a while, so maybe like it was last week. Anyway, it was back in 2006, and I had a really good time. The conference is free to attend, it has nationwide draw, and the content is awesome. The only time I […]

posted on September 12, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

Well, I'm officially a member of the LOPSA Board of Directors now. And it's entirely thanks to you all. Just as a reminder (and I'm sure that this particular warning will get tiresome, but I'm going to include it for a while until it's rote), I am not speaking for LOPSA when I write about […]

posted on September 16, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

TechTarget content is either really good or really bad. In the cases of great content, it's because of great authors like Mike Laverick or Scott D Lowe. Then there are the swing-and-a-miss type articles, which I'm linking to now in order call attention to the fact that it pays to be discerning. There's a quiz […]

posted on September 16, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

The profession of system administration is maturing. Slowly, yes, but even over the past ten years, I can see progress from where we were. We might not all agree on the answers, but we can at least agree on some of the problems, and that's a good thing. There is an excellent Google Group called […]

posted on September 20, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

There are times I feel like I'm still a fish out of water here. I'm getting better, but the occasional event occurs that throws me for a loop because the error patterns here don't always match the error patterns that I'm used to in small business. Today, for instance, we had a student come in […]

posted on September 24, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

It's times like this that I'm jealous I'm not back in Columbus. The Columbus LOPSA Chapter that I helped start is still going strong, and on September 26th, they're celebrating their 2nd anniversary with a party at the 16bit Bar and Arcade. Yes, it's a bar. And an arcade. It's like, everything you ever dreamed […]

posted on October 07, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

Did you all know I had a blog? I mean, you wouldn't be able to tell it from the number of posts lately, but it's still here! Apologies for the lack of updates, if you're one of the people who reads frequently, but I've got a lot of pots on the stove at the moment. […]

posted on October 08, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

Once more into the breach... I'm doing the USENIX Blog thing again this year at LISA, and my fellow Blog Team member Ben Cotton decided to interview me! How fun. You can read it on the USENIX Blog. Make sure to talk to your boss about coming to LISA this year, because you don't want […]

posted on October 10, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

Almost exactly a year ago, I mentioned that Craig Constantine, LOPSA member and volunteer, was starting a sysadmin group in the LeHigh Valley, near Allentown, PA. Because of personal time issues, Craig didn't get a chance to launch, although he had interest. I'm happy to let you know that once again, he's launching the LeHigh […]

posted on October 16, 2013 by <a id='post_author' class='fn' itemprop='name'

LISA is extending the Early Bird discount for a week. It's now lasting until October 22nd, and for the first time in my memory, the hotel block room rate is also being extended. So, it strikes me that a lot of people don't have any transparency into pricing on conferences or why things like "Early […]

the fuck?
Stackbot strikes again!
Yikes
foulness
00:30
Either that, or Matt changed something about his RSS feed and Stackbot thought it was all new posts
Holy shit
@MDMarra Yeah ADPrep is built in to the DC promotion part of Server Manager now, but it's still supported to do it manually like we're used to
I think I was just having a memory fart as to whether schema 56 and up means you can't have Win. 2000 DCs anymore, or 2003... but it was only Win. 2000 DCs that you can't have anymore after prepping the schema for 2012
yeah
Easy way to remember that kind of thing: Was the old OS still in support when the new OS was released? If yes: supported.
Same thing happened with ADMT. 2000 DFLs were supported until ADMT 3.2 came out right after 2000 was EOL
But it worked in 3.1, because Server 2000 was still in extended support then
 
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01:46
Is a forest a domain?
@MikeyB A forest contains domains
@MarkHenderson That's what I thought. So if I'm setting up a lab here... create the forest rooted at, say, ad.netdirect.ca and then a domain adlab.ad.netdirect.ca?
@MikeyB That'll be two domains. The forest root domain (ad.netdirect.ca) and the adlab.ad.netdirect.ca domain.
AFAIK your forest doesn't get an FQDN
When you change forests, you change into the "root domain"
@ShaneMadden Ahhh... perhaps I should have reworded 'Is a forest a domain?' as 'Is there an implicit root domain in a forest'?
I'll take that as a yes.
01:53
Pretty much yes
@MikeyB Yup, first domain in the forest is always the forest root.
Oh my dear boy.
If I had a trout, I would beat him senseless...
kce
kce
Wow.
@MikeAWood "Maybe running a script that will give me data on something important." OH MY GOD HE SAW HACKERS AND FOUND OUT WE RUN SCRIPTS!
@MikeyB, yeah.....I ....have.....no.....words..... Kinda like asking, "Hey, I got this computer, I want to do stuff with it, but don't have any idea of what it even is..."
Is there a magic bucket for questions where humorous outrageous answers would be accepted?
Heh about the only thing that linked site is good for:
@MikeAWood the Star Wall
@Andrew, duly noted.. hehehe
@Andrew What the hell ahppened to the star wall?
It didnt look like that 10 minutes ago
02:48
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Q: Sharing information between nodes in Beowulf Cluster

Alejandro SazoI am setting up a beowulf cluster and I've been reading that it might be necessary to make the home directory of the cluster users shared between them (assuming this users are local to each machine). The other case is leave each user with its own home and the communication is up to the master nod...

morning, @KevinSoviero. how goes the job hunt?
@FalconMomot I had my job interview with Dun & Bradstreet today... I'm not sure I still want to job... Not sure I want to have to run up to a datacenter at 3am if things break...
@KevinSoviero dude....
@ewwhite Hm?
@KevinSoviero man, that's what we do
02:57
@KevinSoviero Dude, that's part and parcel of sysadmin
relish that someone trusts you to run into the DC at 0300 and fix it.
I just want a job where I am able to work from 8am - 5pm and the rest of the time is mine.
@MarkHenderson what does yours look like? mine looks like....
@KevinSoviero What you posted is unacceptable.
2 mins ago, by Kevin Soviero
@FalconMomot I had my job interview with Dun & Bradstreet today... I'm not sure I still want to job... Not sure I want to have to run up to a datacenter at 3am if things break...
@Andrew Mine looks like that too - all the mark/dan/tom comments; but it was filled with other stuff an hour ago, not 13hr old stars
03:00
@ewwhite Accept it. ;)
@KevinSoviero that's either programming or level 1 support
@KevinSoviero Don't ever let an interviewer for a sysadmin position hear that.
The biggest problem is that I can't drive at night worth a damn, I can't see the medians or lines...
@KevinSoviero Honestly, those days are gone my friend
I do my best but I'm still working 10 hours a day
@KevinSoviero So the real problem is being out at night, not having to go to the DC
Honestly, it's pretty damn rare to actually need to go to the DC at that time if you do it right
@MarkHenderson Yes, I like datacenters otherwise.
03:02
Usually you get up, rub your eyes, connect to the VPN and fix it from home
Even after 8 years here, the occasional trip to the office (63 miles away from home) while annoying is just part of the gig...
@KevinSoviero If you get this job, you need to take it and stick with it and do your best
@MarkHenderson What if my best isn't good enough?
@KevinSoviero Well that's different. You try to improve
But you don't quit before you start
I've had bad staff reviews in the past. You just cop them on the chin and decide if what they want you to improve on is something you can do
But you can't have a bad review if you don't take the job
Some people don't have the work ethic for this type of job.
03:07
And with any new job, you get the opportunity to learn new things, which in IT is almost always a feather in your hat. Even if it is crap work like trying to keep Windows 3.1 running..
From the other day: "Yeah, we're all up to Windows 2008 or 2012 for our servers. Except for the Windows 95 box that updates our site maps."
@MikeyB Awesome
@MarkHenderson From the same guy: "No, we don't actually have any DR procedure documentation but I can get everything back up at our hot standby site in 10 minutes."
#MISSINGTHEPOINT
I was talking to an Electrical Engineer the other day, the software he used in his day job was on new hardware, but it was a 486 (manufactured in 2012!) and ran Windows 3.11 and had 14 serial ports and he loved it because you didnt need to bother shutting it down
or didn't risk shutting it down for fear it won't restart...
03:11
@MikeAWood Nah it was on a trolley apparenrtly
@KevinSoviero That's what's called a "clock puncher" and I've known of people get rejected from a candidate pool because someone on the committee thought they might be one.
@ScottPack exactly.
Work sucks... But life sucks anyway... I guess I'll just take the job since it's not too bad and assume that it's just the cost of doing business so-to-speak.
and we can sense it.
THere was a story once I read about a CNC Lathe that ran Windows 3.11 and the office used it for entering their timesheets because it was a 16-bit app and that was their last 16-bit machine
03:11
@KevinSoviero Those tend to be the people doing low skill desktop support until retirement.
I don't know if it was on SF or on thedailywtf
Also, they do deployments at 10pm on Fridays... So... There goes my Friday nights!
@KevinSoviero Actually that does kind of suck; deployments on fridays are never a good idea because nobody wants to be there
I'm not saying you have to be married to the job and be chipper and rearing to go at any moment's notice, but I'm never going to be willing to hire someone if I don't think they're excited enough about the job to at least do something similar for fun.
We have a few purpose built standalone computers that have compact flash bootable storage running PCDOS. Every once in a while one of the techs comes and asks me if I have a DOS boot disk for the floppy drive... That always ends in tears....
03:14
@MikeAWood format a: /q /s
edit autoexec.bat
@ScottPack mmhmm
edit config.sys
One of my standard questions during an interview is asking what they do to stay up to date. What blogs do they read, podcasts, community involvement, whatever.
device=himem.sys
loadhigh mouse.sys
If I don't get a good feeling on that answer they had best blow me away otherwise.
Can I get an Amen!
03:15
@MarkHenderson, oh I know HOW to do it... But once you realize is has a Hercules display adapter, I realize I don't want to be the one screwing up an $8m printing press cause I was feeling brave....
@ScottPack Hm... I don't do any of that... I just hang out here!
@MikeAWood those disk on modules?
@KevinSoviero Fantastic! That means you'll be well versed in methodology necessary to force Irish step dancers to puke into their own shoes, how to turn a sock into a love partner, and how best to avoid mockery by purchasing a bicycle.
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@ScottPack I meant ServerFault in general, but those are all very important life lessons as well!
@JourneymanGeek, yeap. We have them on the ovens and roll stands. Typically they only need to provide a simple touch display for simple devices. But even my memory can't go back far enough to make them work. (Though 15 year old me could probably do it without any trouble)... One even has a Cyrix proc in it...
03:26
I don't get it. Why would a printing press need a computer? Don't you just put the metal letters in the tray?
the computer is for spell check..
They have to boot up wordperfect 5.1 on dual floppies
@MikeAWood FreeDOS FTW
Some of these pieces of equipment actually have 3.5" copies of MSDOS 6.1 in the "bag o goodies" that came with them. They are in fact that old...
@MikeAWood Where's my QNX disk...
@MikeAWood I have them in my old bedroom...
03:41
Thank glub the SuperMicro UI designers don't ever have to write anything critical.
@MikeyB Dear gawd, that's ... Java.
That looks like PCGen. Only pretty and usable.
@Andrew Programming? Wherever I have been, programmers have often worked nights and weekends burning the candle at both ends trying to deliver, and that includes me when I've been a programmer.
@MichaelHampton is that even swing?
or AWT?
No, I think that's old school AWT
03:48
@FalconMomot depends where you've worked
it does.
most places I've worked have been smaller businesses
Is there a way to invite someone to chat?
Most of the programmers I've known have been 8-4:30 people. I'm sure that would be different in a for-profit industry.
and doubly so in one where the programmers have a stake in the product.
@FalconMomot Financial incentives? Phaw. That's crazy talk. Next thing you know you'll mention repercussions for consistently unsatisfactory performance.
03:51
@ScottPack Do you work for the government by chance?
@ScottPack discipline is a banned word in today's culture
@FalconMomot Public university.
@Andrew hmm, here it's something that happens to trait-incompetent people only :P
yawwwn
"Can't punish people for doing bad things!"
"Then how do you reinforce that they shouldn't to do bad things?"
... brain has exited the building ...
03:55
@Andrew Don't ever let those people breed.
@MikeyB "alternative culture" FTW, right?
@Andrew Flannel shirts and ripped jeans?
@ScottPack no, other way
@Andrew Ripped shirts and flannel jeans? That sounds like a terrible idea.
04:19
@ScottPack no, other end of fashion...
good jeans and black shirts
@Andrew I'm so confused.
@ScottPack so am I.
Does "self-taught in everything" have a place in professional IT?
I'm attempting to write while sober. This is not working out so well.
Is IT actually a profession at all?
@MikeAWood ahh, those are little flash memory modules directly on pata, wouldn't be too hard to get them offline, DD a system, then just swap em in when all hell breaks loose
@Andrew: yes and no, I think. If you already are in the industry, yes. Its fucking impossible to get your foot in without a piece of paper, at least here.
and shit, I just realised I don't own any shoes.
04:33
Depending on your definition of "profession", and which segment of IT you're speaking of, then I'd say is an irrefutable maybe.
has a presentation for management class today
If you go by the definition currently on Wikipedia:
> the persons so engaged in that art govern the practice in a way that is primarily for the public good
of course, I'd argue all good IT guys are self taught. Your certs and degrees are just so the plebians understand you have the skillz.
IT has no governing standards, therefore it's not a profession
and IT != computer science. Heck, computer science is hardly a science.
@Andrew Or if you take the Wikipedia definition: "A profession is a vocation founded upon specialized educational training"
04:34
@Andrew: maybe in the US
there's professional bodies for it in other places
Elevating the job of IT into a profession is one of the goals of LOPSA.
@ScottPack yes, the one I quoted was from "list of professions"
or will be once I graduate
@ScottPack you can get into IT by being self-taught and without formal education, hence it's not?
04:36
@Andrew: even if you do, you effectively are apprenticed into the trade under someone who knows his shit is senior
@Andrew It's not necessarily that easy either. The two classic examples of professions are medical and legal.
@ScottPack and that assumes that The Powers That Be agree that your day-to-day job can be classified as "Systems administration"
which is probably an even older way of getting into a profession
@ScottPack I thought LOPSA's objective was to keep mailing lists alive for the post apocalyptic usenet crowd?
@Wesley: The mail must flow!
04:37
@Andrew Medical has pretty rigorous education requirements as well as a governing board that is responsible for making sure you act in a manner befitting the profession.
heh
love my class
A little lopsided there, Cox.
@Andrew Legal, on the other hand, has a governing body that defines whether or not you are permitted to practice and can yank that right. There are no universal education requirements though.
"Hey, I got another bunch of forensics books off bitorrent, wanna take a look at tell me what's good?"
@ScottPack there is a bar exam though
04:38
@Andrew In order to practice law you must have passed the Bar and remain a member in good standing.
depends on the juridstiction
@ScottPack: only because law is legalised gangstering ;p
but find the phrase "systems administration" anywhere in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science for me
@Andrew In some states in order to sit for the Bar you must have gone to an accredited law school. Some, but not all.
That's because Systems Administration is not Computer Science. They are related. Just like Pipefitting is related to Fluid Dynamics.
I was about to say the same thing ;p
for one thing, a CS major wouldn't handle hardware
04:40
@ScottPack y'know theres a whole world outside the USA, right?...
@Andrew Pull the other one.
@ScottPack err, it's not. civil engineering is.
@Andrew: its about the same here, possibly sans the bar exam
@Andrew Please me more detailed so I can understand what you mean.
@Andrew: sysadmins need to deal with the stuff schmart people like EEs and programmers threw together slightly drunk.
as well as people
04:41
Unless you mean to say that Pipefitting isn't related at all to Fluid Dynamics in which case I don't think you know what it means to do either.
I can't imagine a CS major knowing anything about say incident response, or forensics for example
@ScottPack Civil engineers are the bridge between fluid dynamics (flows in pipes) and pipefitting (how to join pipes good) but fluid dynamics and pipefitting have no direct relationship
@FalconMomot notwithstanding, but he does the wierd esoteric stuff
The only times I ever fit pipes that didn't require me to think about how fluids move was when I was in the theatre department and we were using the pipe as support structures for sets.
@Andrew Oh, so you do agree with my comparison.
(incidentally, those are what I mainly study in school)
04:43
Aaah chopper
6
A: How to run a VMWare Server virtual machine in a ESXi virtual machine?

Chopper3 Starting a land-war in Asia Inventing the hoola-hoop Trying to VM inside a VM All bad ideas

@MarkHenderson needs more memepics
There are also two other identical questions
xibit or inception, take your pick
@ScottPack .... possibly.
@JourneymanGeek For what it's worth I'm a CS major and incident response and forensics are two of my primary responsibilities.
04:45
@ScottPack: did you learn that in school?
Computer science by itself is not a profession, it's a field of academia. engineering is a profession. IT is a trade.
except it's not regulated and there are no unions.
@JourneymanGeek Granted, the only part of my two CS degrees that directly relate were the 3 weeks in my graduate level Operating Systems course where we discussed filesystems. That's been useful for my forensics work.
(for what its worth, I learnt a lot of incident response and forensics out of interest. Also means I got to slack off during the boring parts of those modules)
@ScottPack: which was the point I was trying to make
;p
@JourneymanGeek Oh yeah, I'm totally not disagreeing.
forensics is also an outlyer
04:46
So's your mom.
its a wierd field since you have law enforcement /legal and sysadmin-like elements involved
the networking and OS stuff I did has been invaluable in knowing how the stuff should be working, but the rest has been pretty unrelated (apart from the "systems programming in C" course that also taught Bash)
@JourneymanGeek You mean right out of school? I can't imagine anyone knowing anything incident response right out of school, any more than I expect them to know about devops.
on one hand, you have people who're basically cops with keyboard, on the other you have hard CS researchers like the lady who wrote blue pill
and well, folk like me
@tylerl: the theory? My course covers that
04:47
@JourneymanGeek Really, though, the only part of the forensics work that does drift over are the evidentiary procedures.
@ScottPack: and a certain level of how you think, and deal with the information in front of you
Devops arose because there are no new neckbeards and people (wrongly) assumed that "CS degree (can program)" == "knows how to make systems work"
@JourneymanGeek To some degree, though I would argue that's less cop think and more offensive think.
@JourneymanGeek sure, but that's like people who study economics know about running a business.
@tylerl: anyone who did the course I was in, should, in theory know how to plan for incidence response.
@tylerl: a lot of it is getting a process in place.
04:49
sysadmin requires a professional way of thinking which isn't being taught in vocational IT courses
@tylerl you want commerce / accounting / business administration for that
@ScottPack: I spent a lot of time trying to get in the Course co-ordinator's head ;p
@tylerl: amusingly enough, my other major is management....
@JourneymanGeek sure. so was mine
and now I run a business doing IT work.. so there you go.
(which dosen't really teach you anything other than how management thinks. Its a dark, scary place)
@JourneymanGeek arguably more useful than, say, art history.
@tylerl: If they hadn't mucked things up, I might have done BIS or single majored
04:52
@JourneymanGeek Just like any security protections the defender must attempt to think about what someone sneaky might do and see if it pans out. I do the same thing when doing my forensics cases. "If I was sneaky and had a nosy girlfriend where would I hide my porn...."
@ScottPack: god, now I am missing forensics modules ;p
@ScottPack: or "how would I find an entry that has been changed and changed back, in over 5000 entries in this excel spreadhseet"
@JourneymanGeek Right now I'm not. About half the cases I've done were for incident response and phpMyAdmin was almost always the vector (even on Windows machines). The other half were child porn cases.
The real issue with tech-security field is that it's changing too fast. You may learn really cool things in school, but the state of the art moves fast enough that a 5 years ago was too long.
@tylerl: depends on what you do. A lot of it is drudge work
that never changes
04:54
the reason there isn't much in the way of standardization or academic qualification for IT, I think, is simply that the primary qualification is that you are an autodidact, and in that, no amount of schooling can prepare you for it.
@JourneymanGeek Sure, and a lot is legal stuff that moves at tectonic speeds.
@MarkHenderson
@FalconMomot Look at you. Mister SAT vocabulary. Must have been your fancy dancy Canadian schooling, eh?
@ScottPack doom on you.
@tylerl: a lot of the tools I end up using are really old things, or stuff that can't be swapped easily
04:55
@FalconMomot Sorry.
@ScottPack ehh. enjoy the plague of frogs.
I'm not talking hot zero day stuff
@Andrew @andrew
I'm talking drudge work ;p
There, I've said 'eh' and 'sorry'. Later this week I'll get some timbits. Can I be Canadian now?
@ScottPack No, because the correct term is "Canoodian"
@JourneymanGeek you need minions
The biggest timesaver for me in most cases are basic coreutils stuff
@tylerl: thats precisely what I'll likely start off with doing
@FalconMomot university education is designed to do that, actually
@Andrew yes, which is why so many people fail so hard at it.
but really I'd be inclined to hire someone with whatever degree. STEM would be better but not an absolute requirement.
04:58
I'd argue (as someone who failed uni twice), you need a certain type of autodiadact
an intrinsically motivated one :P
@Andrew That's not clear to everyone, nor is it entirely clear that everyone can learn it either.
I'm having an easier time where I am cause I picked a course which matches my strengths
(and where I can varnish over my weaknesses, or avoid them totally)
now, computer science is indeed awesome
@FalconMomot: it isn't for everyone!
04:59
@JourneymanGeek only for smart people!
a piece of homework I once did in that degree got me a job despite a couple absolutely trainwrecked interviews.

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