The Comms Room

pauska

17:00

@Magellan Also true, but still not something that would skew us in to running linux servers..

Magellan

@pauska I suppose. I still don't understand why so many Windows admins I've met are so dead-set against heterogenous environments.

Not to say that you are, per se. But I've definitely noticed it.

pauska

@Magellan Oh jesus christ.. :P

Michael Hampton

@pauska Oh yes, I'd love a "standardized" environment for those reasons.

But... developers given a RHEL desktop would stage an armed revolt. And the legacy stuff...

pauska

@Magellan For me the reasons would be the same I said before..

@MichaelHampton oooh, just give them that distro with a million optimizer flags.. emerge something

developers looooooove to build stuff :)

Michael Hampton

@pauska Gentoo? Oh god no. Not even putting that in production.

pauska

17:04

@Magellan Also, factor in that some (or alot) of windows shops have gone the route of using datacenter licensing on most of their servers

Dennis Kaarsemaker

heh, I had an interview candidate who had only gentoo in production and loved the gentooisms

needless to say, he didn't quite make it

pauska

it means that stuff like system center, windows server etc is the same initial cost, it just increases with the number of sockets

so when I install a MySQL server on Windows I have support for it, I have monitoring tools (SCOM), I have deployment and compliance (SCCM) and the list goes on

it doesn't cost us a penny more

Scott Pack

I'd say having developers with Gentoo would be totally fine. I only have two requirements: 1) You must keep your own machine up and running and not hacked. 2) Your software must run on RHEL without me having to do anything to it.

Magellan

@pauska I dunno, mate. Frankly, I enjoy talking with you guys about Windows. Helps me keep a balanced perspective compared to all the ijits I've interviewed or interviewed with who have gut-level emotional reactions to anything Linux.

Joel E Salas

@Magellan Seattle WOULD be all MSFT wouldn't it

Magellan

17:06

Yeah. Nearly as many Linux jobs in Portland as here, in a city half the size.

quite a few startups are also Windows-only. Allrecipes.com being one of the bigger ones.

Michael Hampton

@pauska Yeah, if you're already a 100% Windows shop then even throwing in a single Linux box is a management headache. So I get why it's done. I still don't like it. :)

pauska

@Magellan Same deal for me when it comes to Linux.. I've used FreeBSD for ages, and Linux for hobby stuff.. it's not that I don't like it, I just gotta think very "corporate" when making these kind of decisions at work

And sometimes, Windows is just not right the fit

Like the two virtual FreeBSD routers I have running OSPF, since Microsoft ripped that out of RRaS

or the single Linux box running squid/dansguardian.. way too costly to purchase a proxy for 1600 students without academic rebate

So we're not 100% windows. But close :)

Magellan

@pauska Ah. I was going to suggest OpenDNS. But that's also rather expensive for 1600 users.

pauska

@Magellan And DNS rbl's are really static.. We want to block flash streaming, but not every single site with a flash file on it

Magellan

@pauska Yeah, I ran into that at job[-3]. Flash was required for the state-mandated training for the staff, but we wanted Youtube and Netflix blocked. Needed to move over to filtered DNS.

Sheesh. Momentarily forgot that I don't run that network anymore.

I hear so many complaints about job[-3] from The Lady that I forget that I don't work there anymore. =)

DanBig

17:13

0

Q: Cant' access my ip camera over internet

I have an EasyN F3 (F3-M166) ip camera. It works fine on local ip address, but I can't access it over internet. This is what I have done step by step: I configured the local ip (camera_ip) and port (camera_port) of the camera, using the software from the vendor's website: http://p2.ipcam.hk/ I ...

TheCleaner

@MDMarra at least he's got 5.6 days to be ridiculed here on SF. :D

DanBig

Make it rain VtC on that thing.

Chris S

@MikeyB In fairness I'm impressed that I submitted a false positive report and MXLogic has already replied with a brief apology, an update to their filters, and recommendations to retry/etc...

Magellan

0

Q: How to quickly and easily set up and maintain VPN's ? (Have Juniper SSG-140)

Greetings! We have an SSG-140 by Juniper (similar to a netscreen 25, just a newer version of ScreenOS and more physical ports). I find setting up new VPN profiles to be a PITA. I have to follow a bunch of steps, test it out, etc etc. I find running an SSH server is easier as far as new user se...

vpn ipsec juniper netscreen

I'm too lazy! Halp meeeee!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Roses are red. Violets are red. Lilacs are red. We've run out of cyan toner.

Tweeted by AgileSue on October 16, 2013 at 3:40 PM

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cole

17:18

@Magellan I would but helping the Comms guy with building a VM for Solarwinds for him

@DennisKaarsemaker haha!

Matt Bear

$700 in parts so far for my damn car... and I still have at least another $400 to go

fml'

can I just build a Virtual Car in some cloud host and not have to worry about hardware anymore?

jscott

@MattBear Transportation as a Service (TaaS) is available in train, taxi and bus configurations.

cole

butt car

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@jscott don't forget tram, metro, ferry, airplane and rickshaw

jscott

@DennisKaarsemaker Custom configurations may not be available in all service areas. Please consult with your Taas provider for more details about configuration available in your area.

cole

17:26

oh snap: qz.com/133251/…

TheCleaner

@Magellan The dang thing has VPN wizards, and Juniper's KB site has a walkthrough with pictures and flowcharts! wow.

MikeyB

@cole Soylent Jelly

pauska

@cole oooh fancy json css html5 ajax and other fancy words I don't know -site!

Magellan

@TheCleaner I hope I never end up working with that person. I truly do.

Nathan C

@MattBear I've put over $3000 into my car in the past 6 months. The car's not even worth that much lol

Including an engine :(

pauska

17:31

You must really love your car if you replace the engine.. I've never seen it be profitable, unless it's a new car (guarantee) or a mechanic doing it for his own profit..

DanBig

@NathanC, what are you driving that is needing such TLC?

Nathan C

@DanBig 03 cavalier

Magellan

@NathanC You're crazy.

Nathan C

@pauska More like...I was stuck. I couldn't trade it in before the engine went because I owe too much, so it was either fix it or no vehicle and a car loan

DanBig

@NathanC, Ah, the sounds of a >1 yr old american car.

Magellan

17:33

I've owned two Cavaliers of that generation. they weren't worth the cash to haul them away.

pauska

a 2003 model car needing a engine replacement.. holy cow

did you service it properly?

Magellan

@pauska General Motors was making some truly crappy engines and drivetrains during that era.

Nathan C

@pauska Previous owner probably not...it was burning oil internally and needed a full head gasket job.

TheCleaner

I'm dressing up as Meta.SO for Halloween this year. Every time a polite stranger asks me "what's your costume?" I'll reply with a random sarcastic comment insinuating he should have already known what I was dressed as. Then I'll have at least 6 buddies standing there to give me high fives while the stranger looks on.

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Nathan C

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Magellan

17:34

@pauska Not to mention those were cars purchased by people with no mechanical skill and no "upbringing". Commonly piloted by trailer trash.

Nathan C

I've heard the ecotec engines (which is what's in my car) could take a beating...so the previous owner must've really not taken care of it

I changed the oil every 3k on the dot basically, did all other maintenance too. Didn't help I was putting ~2k miles a month before I moved closer to work heh.

Matt Bear

@jscott TaaS does not offer service in rural areas

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@NathanC image of the day :)

Matt Bear

@NathanC I bought the damn car for $1000 to begin with lol

its turning into a money pit...

Nathan C

@MattBear Yeah...cars like that typically do.

@DennisKaarsemaker It's my facebook cover photo lol

Matt Bear

17:41

@NathanC its a 1987 mercedes 190d

I've had it for 3 years, gets 35 mpg

Nathan C

Ah...a car that old will definitely need lots of parts to keep it spinning heh

Matt Bear

havent had to do much to it up till now, brakes, shocks

I've been working on restoring it bit by bit

Scott Pack

I think the best money I threw at a car was a 1988 Volvo 740 Turbo. I paid 2k for the thing in 2005 with 196k miles. I junked it via the C.A.R.S. program and got a 4k trade-in in 2009.

TheCleaner

I had a 95 Maxima I bought for $2k that has 290k miles on it. Drove it for 4 years and only changed oil, tires, brake pads. Traded it in with 340k on the odometer with the engine smoking in the dealer parking lot and got $500 trade for it. That Nissan VQ engine is bulletproof.

Wesley

@ScottPack headbonk

Scott Pack

17:43

i think the timing belt and harmonic balancer were the only real repairs I did to it.

@Wesley Hey sweetnes

TheCleaner

@ScottPack ha...nice!

Matt Bear

U-Joint on the driveshaft went out...

$405 for the part

on an american made car, would of been $30

spider join seized on a axle half-shaft

$207

so not too bad on that one

plus another $50 for the sockets and shit

Wesley

@MattBear The real question is: Did you do your squats last night.

Matt Bear

and now I need to replace a bunch of bushings to tighten up the handling, and fix the squeaks

@Wesley check my fitocracy

5 link suspension on all four wheels, 2 bushings per link, $3-$30 per bushing, plus ball joints for the steering

Wesley

@MattBear Fucker.

Matt Bear

17:48

44 bushings and ball joints total needing replacement

Magellan

Sad Panda. I was not offered a choice of a MacBook or Lenovo. No MBP for me, going to be a Lenovo T430 with Win7, Lync and Kaspersky.

Matt Bear

$$$$$$$$$ there

Wesley

@MattBear That's a lot of badges in a little time. =P

@Magellan That's it. Hide in the bathroom overnight and burn the place down.

DanBig

I've been driving Subarus for the last 10 years, I made a brief detour to a newer GTO figuring "Its constructed in Australia with a tried and true LS1 and T56, its gonna be awesome" It was still American suck.

Matt Bear

@Wesley I just activated all quests lol

Magellan

17:49

@DanBig Yeah. Subarus may be expensive to fix, but the major stuff doesn't frequently break. Their electrics aren't much better than F'ing Lucas, though.

TheCleaner

I'm presuming that we allow all answers that "work" even if they are derp?

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A: Additional mailboxes in Outlook 07 SP2

set your LAN DNS IP to the Exchange Server, this solved it for me

Magellan

@Wesley Yeah, I'm slightly grumpy about having to work on a Windows laptop as my daily driver. I haven't had to do that since 2009.

Wesley

@MattBear I should do something like that, I haven't really looked at them

DanBig

@Magellan, i have to say, my 01 RS was perfect, my 03 WRX that i traded for the GTO was also without issue, and now my 09 WRX is also humming along perfectly. All were fairly well modified. It also helps that I do all my own work.

pauska

@MattBear mercedes diesel engines are nearly impossible to kill..

Matt Bear

17:51

@Wesley was like "hey, lots of free points cause I do that anyway!"

DanBig

But im also religious about maintenance

Wesley

@Magellan Still waiting for you to update LinkedIn so I know what you're actually doing... =P

Matt Bear

@pauska I know :) thats why I have it

pauska

there are lots of 300E station wagions running around here with diesel engines.. those who haven't been eaten by rust

Magellan

@DanBig I share an 02 Forester. Drove an 03 Legacy L for a few years before my Ex got it in the divorce.

Matt Bear

17:51

last one went 700k+

Magellan

@Wesley Ah, you're right.

Wesley

@MattBear Nice potato camera.

Matt Bear

till my brother totaled it when I let him borrow it

Wesley

@MattBear Fucking brothers.

pauska

I nearly bought a 300E TDT

DanBig

17:52

@Magellan, at this point, with the track record I've personally had with Subaru, i see no reason to switch when the time comes for a new car.

pauska

quite expensive to be a used old car, but rock solid and "4x4"

Magellan

@DanBig We're a bit hesitant as I think the Tribeca is over-priced. I need to buy a 3-row SUV or Crossover this winter before the babies arrive.

If they had a 3-row vehicle that frequently listed used for under 15k, I'd be looking to buy post-haste.

DanBig

I'm not much of a fan of the Subaru SUV/CUV offerings. If i were to start a family, i would still use my WRX hatch, and have the other half get a bigger vehicle for trips, etc.

For S&G here is the grocery getter. dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5686564/…

Wesley

I'm saving up for a Toyota Tacoma 4x4

Was looking at a Subaru Forrester but decided against it.

Magellan

@DanBig Yeah, my problem is that I'll need at least 6 seats by sometime this winter. My 8 and 12 year old are with us on some of the weekends, and a pair of baby carseats take up an astonishing amount of seat real estate.

DanBig

18:06

Man, 4 kids, that a lot. I'm looking forward to staying at zero, possibly one and buying a corvette in a few years.

Magellan

@Wesley I'm very fond of the Forester. They're VERY peppy due to being quite light and I LOVE the 4speed auto gearbox. And I get better than 30mpg on the freeway, far better than the EPA estimates.

dawud

hey guys, and cats.

Magellan

My Legacy had the same motor but weighed 100s of pounds more and was geared completely different. Was absolutely awful.

@DanBig Yeah, just one of the minor ways in which the little monsters change your life. =)

dawud

@DanilaLadner I was able to workaround the puppetDB problem with the IPA certs by storing them in a JKS. Not ideal, though.

Magellan

later gents. Time to go get the scooter tires changed.

Wesley

18:10

@Magellan It's murder to find a used 6 cylinder one.

Not a single one was in the Phoenix area when I was looking last year.

Magellan

@Wesley Why do you need a 6? My 2L H4 is awesome.

Wesley

@Magellan MOAH POWAH!!

I always go the speed limit, but I like to achieve that limit as fast as possible. =P

Magellan

@Wesley Pfft. It doesn't get you that much in a Forester. They're boxey and quite spritely enough in the base engine arrangement.

If you want real acceleration, go buy yourself a motorcycle

Wesley

But now I realize I want a bed for hauling and moving, and fishing, and etc. so I'm looking at a crew cab and shortbed.

Put a lift kit on it and some knobbies:

Magellan

@Wesley The Tacomas are very nice. My friend has a base model with a 5sp stick and drives it everywhere.

Wesley

18:13

Magellan

sigh facepalm

Wesley

@Magellan How else am I going to get across the desert game roads? =P

Aaron Copley

Whoa....... whoa.... whoa.... Wait just a second. Cats can't drive trucks.

cole

...trucks?

How butch of you @Wesley

Wesley

@AaronCopley My chauffeur does though.

"Jeeves, run over that dog for me."

Joel E Salas

18:16

Trucks are a bit too hillbilly for me

Magellan

Wesley

@Magellan Ohhh, now that would be neat. But, but... all my rods and tackle box and the ice chest full of catfish and bass...

Actually, fishing down here kinda blows. Everything is tiny.

I miss salmon and steelhead. =(

I caught a 30 inch salmon on the Siletz river. Thing felt like I snagged a refrigerator.

Magellan

Actually, enough gear for several days of camping can be hauled quite easily on a DRZ400. You just have to acknowledge that you don't need to be glamping and that less can be more.

Wesley

It was spawned out bad though, so was pretty limp. I could only imagine what a live one would feel like.

Magellan

If you've done backpack camping, you already understand what you need to do.

Wesley

18:18

@Magellan Haven't yet, but hope to soon. Got a lot of backpacker friends here that go up into the Superstitions.

Magellan

@Wesley I love the Siletz River area. That whole country is so beautiful.

ok. now i REALLY gotta go. laterz.

Wesley

@Magellan Wait, no, that was the Santiam River. Derp. Losing my mind.

Laterz.

And suddenly in the last 36 hours my mail filter is blocking tons of RFC malformed email messages.

"tons"

Maybe 10% out of 2,000 total messages

Nathan C

Seeing lifted trucks makes me want to search for banjos.

Stack Exchange

18:34

kaarsemaker.net - Latest entries: Automatically pushing local git repositories to other sources

posted on October 16, 2013 by dennis

One of the many things I do at booking.com, is maintaining the infrastructure behind perl5.git.perl.org, the main git repository for Perl 5. The perl 5 committers moved to git a few years ago and we have been hosting this ever since. However, that repository not being on GitHub was causing some confusion with quite a few copies being pushed to GitHub anyway by individual contributors, and even …

MikeyB

@DennisKaarsemaker Nifty! You can also configure a github repo to actually mirror your own which both is automatic AND acts as signpost to a user that this is NOT the main repo: github.com/netdirect

Dennis Kaarsemaker

unfortunately perl.git can't be completely mirrored

github is running on the wrong version of git

perl.git was cobbled together from a perforce repo, and old non-vc changes. It's a masterpiece of gitcraft

but there are 2 commits that have slightly broken Author: lines

git pre-1.6 accepted those, and post 1.8 as well

but github is currently running on something in the middle and those commits, which are fortunately on a side branch, cannot be pushed

Chopper3

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MikeyB

18:50

C:\> wmic os get caption | findstr Server
C:\> if not errorlevel 1 ...

I feel dirty for writing that... but... it's the only way :(

Dennis Kaarsemaker

A recruiter mails me: "Please let me know if you're open to roles in London and you would like to learn more - I'd be happy to set up an exploratory phone call."

Is it just me, or does 'exploratory phone call' sound like a $3/minute number?

Wesley

@DennisKaarsemaker Moving to jolly Londontowne eh?

MikeyB

@DennisKaarsemaker Not just you. That was my first thought. But I may have been primed.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley neh, but if anyone needs a sysadmin job in London I have a lead :)

freiheit

@DennisKaarsemaker Sounds medical (and therefore more than $3/minute)...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

18:56

Apparently Yammer is expanding their operations to europe and are expecting massive growth now that they're microsoft

Wesley

@freiheit 8/10 would cavity search with again. Fingers cold though.

dawud

@DennisKaarsemaker and also sending random recruitment offers, not even bothering reading profiles

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@dawud this one actually read my profile, or at least the skills section :)

"I was intrigued by your profile because of your experience with Linux, Python, Puppet, and scalability"

dawud

@DennisKaarsemaker OH

Wesley

@DennisKaarsemaker "Can scoop kitty litter without raising dust cloud. Excellent tummy rubs. Babytalks while clipping nails."

dawud

19:02

_"I was impressed with your profile because of your experience around coding and automation of highly scalable distributed systems"_

Wesley

@dawud "I was impressed with your profile because computer cloud butt devops kanban"

dawud

more or less

Wesley

Did I tell you I got a guy to put "buttscale" on his LinkedIn page?

dawud

LOL

Wesley

I'm probably pissing off the people on the #devops hashtag =P

Dennis Kaarsemaker

19:04

@Wesley YO MOMA IS BUTTSCALE!

Wesley

To be fair, the guy also lists his official title on LinkedIn as a "Sparkly Code Princess"

dawud

so I guess these people just send a standard message buttscaled to everybody and wait to see what happens?

Wesley

@dawud Basically it works the same as finding a date on the weekend. Mass text everyone in your contacts list that has a female name and see what happens.

"Sorry, mom, I think someone stole my phone. I totally don't think of you in that way."

@dawud And when all else fails, there's always NILE!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Tonight is a Scotch, Bee Gees and python night.

dawud

@Wesley ohhh I do like Nile so friggin much

cole

19:11

It's days like today that I'm thankful for George Costanza teaching me the best way to look busy at work.

dawud

@Wesley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP_lqIV-juI Karl Sanders egyptian-doom trip

Magellan

Bee gees? Oy.

Wesley

@dawud I'm really like funeral metal these days. Ever been into Ahab?

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Dennis Kaarsemaker

@cole Wally is my role model there :)

Wesley

@Magellan That was a fast tire change.

MikeyB

19:14

Please tell me you don't need to have AD to use Remote Desktop Services on 2012.

Wesley

@MikeyB It's getting to be where you need AD to use MS Paint anymore.

notepad.exe Sorry! You need a KMS server and certificate services.

Magellan

Nah, waiting now. Should be 90 minutes.

dawud

@Wesley dark as a deployment day

cole

I didn't like Seinfeld until recently

Magellan

@Wesley you listen to Mastodon? DevOps peer at job[-1] loved that band.

Wesley

19:19

@Magellan Yeah, I've listened to them. I like.

Basil

edit: never mind, it works and was easier to test than I thought!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

it should

Basil

thanks :)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

also, next unless /^CL.-./ should work for $_

like this:

Basil

fair enough. I tend to avoid implicit use of the $_ variable because I worry it will confuse my shell using colleagues, but I will do it when it makes sense

Dennis Kaarsemaker

19:29

nope, that example doesn't work

implicit $_ is fun

Basil

it's fine, I think I'm going to stick with my next unless ($line =~ /^CL.-./); just for readability :)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

especially if you use it 100 lines deep in a sub

Basil

@DennisKaarsemaker it's awesome- I love perl for a lot of reasons, but I have to say, even cooler than that is hashes.

holy crap, hashes have saved me so much time

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I hate perl

it's so easy to do the wrong thing. And the language encourages you to do so

I'll take python over perl any day

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Basil

well I have to use what's provided and what others on my team will be able to debug

but from what I've seen of python, it's well worth learning

Dennis Kaarsemaker

19:32

for sysadmin purposes it's excellent

MikeyB

@Basil norvig.com/spell-correct.html

Magellan

@dennis we used that Git setup at the prev job for maintaining a hot backup of the primary code Repo's.

MikeyB

@Basil Totally right. I use it all the damn time

cole

Only scripting I use is PowerShell

MIfe

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A: How to find which file is under heavy use/IO

SystemTap script: #!/usr/bin/env stap # # Monitor the I/O of a program. # # Usage: # ./monitor-io.stp name-of-the-program @define program_name %( @1 %) probe begin { printf("%5s %1s %6s %7s %s\n", "PID", "D", "BYTES", "us", "FILE") } probe vfs.read.return, vfs.write.return { i...

This needs more upvotes.

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MikeyB

19:38

@cole $binData = Get-Content filename -Encoding Byte; [System.Convert]::ToBase64String($binData)

I can't believe how complicated that was.

Well I can.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MikeyB open(filename, 'rb').read().encode('base64')

MikeyB

@DennisKaarsemaker base64 < filename

Dennis Kaarsemaker

true dat

Chris S

John Boehner tells WLW radio that "we fought the good fight, we just didn't win," adding he'll encourage his caucus to back Senate deal.

Whew

Dennis Kaarsemaker

hmm. My glass is empty and the bottle is 4m away

this is a conundrum.

Rory Alsop

19:43

@Wesley get one!!!! 190mph and 4seconds to 60mph - best fun car I ever bought

(slightly non-standard...)

Basil

hey, in perl when you're using a key of a hash as a value and don't have a final scalar you want to use, what do you use for the final scalar? Or, if you prefer, which of these do you prefer?

$san{copygroup}{$Group}{devicename}{$devicename}{pvol}{$pvol} = "";
$san{copygroup}{$Group}{devicename}{$devicename}{pvol}{$pvol} = 1;
$san{copygroup}{$Group}{devicename}{$devicename}{pvol}{$pvol} = 0;

Iain

@MIfe think I'll drop some more bounty on it if I can

Dennis Kaarsemaker

buzzfeed.com/jenlewis/…

MikeyB

@Basil errr... what do you want to represent? {'empty': '', 'zero': 0, 'yes/true': 1}[answer]

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Basil 1, so if($san{...}) evaluates to true

cole

19:45

god, the idea of having kids is terrifying

Wesley

@RoryAlsop Interesting.

MIfe

@Iain wanted to do the same thing, not sure how yet :)

Basil

Really what I need is to be able to use keys to loop through all groups, for example. I don't always have a logical bottom level scalar

I suppose I can always make a useful bottom level scalar, but that would mean it's not a key

Rory Alsop

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Basil

Sometimes I start off just defining something like $san{copygroup}{$Group} and then later on add properties like $san{copygroup}{$Group}{devicename}{$devicename}

Rory Alsop

19:50

That is a slightly lower power version

And it fits a family of 5, all the camping gear for a week and can power drift wonderfully. It even does 35 mpg (though not on the track)

Iain

@MIfe serverfault.com/help/bounty

MikeyB

20:05

Seriously could MS have just included a 'sudo' command in PS?

Wesley

forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/14/…

^ Gotta love gub'ment

Oh, and as usual, Oracle is involved in any major government IT failure.

Joel E Salas

@Wesley Amurka

Wesley

@JoelESalas THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE BUTTSCALE!!

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Can't the ACA just tap into some of the resources at the NSA's datacenters?

For every email I send complaining about some pain, just jack up my premiums.

Mathias R. Jessen

"8-port switcher" that sounds nasty serverfault.com/questions/546527/rj45-female-to-male-fault

pauska

@Wesley Or SAP. Or Both. Usually.

Magellan

20:11

@mikeyb sure, but then they couldn't patent it.

Wesley

@pauska Oh yeah, I think it was the state of Oregon that had a nine figure SAP failure that took ten years to finally exit from.

SAP can suck it.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

0

A: RJ45 female to male fault

The problem is that you're using rj45 females. No, I'm not being mysoginistic here, but you really should use cables of appropriate length instead of cobbling things together. Throw out these cables and buy new ones at correct length with rj45 males at both ends.

Mathias R. Jessen

@DennisKaarsemaker Nice one ... misogynist

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Yes, I'm thinking of giving someone the nickname "Cable Mysoginist"

not sure who yet

Magellan

Me! Me!

Mathias R. Jessen

20:17

@Magellan You can be the 8-port switcher

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MathiasR.Jessen I prefer the term "cable swinger" :)

Wesley

@Magellan Cable chauvinist pig

Mathias R. Jessen

@DennisKaarsemaker Cable Swingers? They must have seen some nice racks

Wesley

@Magellan I bet you keep your RJ45 females in the kitchen barefoot and with a full payoad!

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Magellan

Woo! I'm a Pig!

Scott Pack

20:25

@Magellan Let us know how your next keystone party goes.

Joel E Salas

@ScottPack Keystone light?

Scott Pack

@JoelESalas Are you mentally damaged?

Magellan

Ewwwwww

Joel E Salas

@ScottPack Probably from the beer

freiheit

...

Should I just go back to lunch now?

I mean.... keystone light? I'm offended!

Tanner

20:28

Liquid Plumr > Keystone Light

Magellan

Ick

Scott Pack

Generally speaking if your beer has the word "Light" at the end then you probably shouldn't waste your time drinking either.

freiheit

ratebeer.com/beer/keystone-light/2332

Ry Jones

@pauska implementing SAP was almost the end of Microsoft

Scott Pack

> Good cheap beer. Excellent for beer pong. I was surprised that this beer was so poorly rated, because I have had many beers that make this look like a 10.

That's terrifying.

Tanner

20:30

I've certainly tasted worse things than Keystone Light. Steel Reserve comes to mind. It will make you want to die.

freiheit

@ScottPack ratebeer.com/Ratings/TheWorstBeers.asp -- according to that there are 13 worse beers in the world.

Ry Jones

@Tanner KSL doesn't taste of metal, so that puts it above a lot of cheap beers

Matt Bear

calling keystone beer, is like calling miley cyrus a musician

Ry Jones

she sells plenty of music

Matt Bear

it calls itself beer, the uneducated masses might THINK it's beer, but its not... it's shit

Ry Jones

20:33

Corn, grain, urine flavors. Bleh.

Scott Pack

@MattBear Don't misrepresent her like that. @Wesley has been listening to her and Drake all afternoon.

Ry Jones

that guy knows his urine flavors!

ratebeer.com/beer/camo-silver-ice-high-gravity-lager/24448

MIfe

Is it not possible to paste gist links in comments?

Erm, yes, its just I should not have so many windows open to refresh..

Matt Bear

for mass produced "beer", newcastle and guiness all day

Wesley

@MattBear PBR (Piss Brewed Right)

Matt Bear

20:39

@Wesley PBR > Bud Light > 3 day old cat piss

freiheit

@MattBear beer == fermented malted starch. Keystone is beer, it's also shitty.

Matt Bear

Bud Light = 2 day old cat piss, < fresh cat piss

Mark Henderson

@mdmarra @MattBear - just going back to the Lync discussion we were having yesterday; do you think it's at the stage where it can replace the PBX for a small office?

RobM

@MattBear bud is like making love in a boat: fucking close to water.

Scott Pack

@MattBear I find most bottled Newcastle to have a weird metallic taste. I like some of the Dundees stuff for mass produced.

freiheit

20:41

@MattBear Only if you can find the canned Newcastle (and pour it into a glass). The clear bottles == skunked by the time it gets to you.

@MattBear Some of the Blue Moon line is also ok, for a mass produced beer.

Magellan

@markhenderson my new job is using it for telecommuting duties for sure. Will see how pervasive it is.

Mark Henderson

@Magellan Interesting

I'm mostly interested in a single feature that their current phone system has: When a call is signalled, it rings on the desk phone and on their PC phone client. When they click "answer" on their desktop PC, it's the actual phone on their desk that answers the call. Then they can manipulate the call that they're having on their phone by using the PC interface (by pressing hold, dragging the call into a conference, etc)

But the phone is fully independant, it's not plugged into the PC at all

Matt Bear

@freiheit it's a 50/50, I've had some OK, and some REALLY GOOD from a bottle

bought a keg of it for my wedding, was awesome

TheCleaner

@MarkHenderson the latest version is there for a small office that doesn't have anything beyond basic VOIP needs, imo. It integrates great with Exchange/UM stuff. But the thing with voice is that everyone just expects it to work, every time. Dial tone should ALWAYS be there...calls should be jitter free, etc.

Matt Bear

@MarkHenderson I dont know about replacing the phones with it

might take more research, and let me know about that, because we might move that direction

freiheit

20:46

@MattBear A keg is a really big can. Newcastle's clear bottles mean your experience of the beer depends heavily on tiny details of the transportation.

Mark Henderson

@TheCleaner Exactly. This is an office of 5 people that pretty much just wants to take a call, transfer it to someone else in the office, transfer it to a mobile phone, or have it go to voicemail if nobody answers

Matt Bear

replace our ShoreTel shit

@freiheit yeah, the light passing through changes the chemical structure

Mark Henderson

@MattBear I want to use these people as a gunea pig to find out. I only really found out about Lync yesterday and have spent all fucking night reading up on it

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson we use it extensively at Qualcomm for meetings &c, we don't use the desktop telecom integration

Mark Henderson

But I don't want to blow $5k on physical hardware and the same on licenses just to find out it's shit

Matt Bear

20:47

which is why Guiness in a bottle is usually good, because no light gets through

TheCleaner

@MarkHenderson Well, Lync could do it, but it'd be a lot more expensive when you factor in the phones as well than a dinko digital system.

Ry Jones

the only downside is the Lync client for OS X is kind of weak.

however, the Lync clients for iOS are really nice.

Matt Bear

@TheCleaner hehe thought you said Dingo Digital Systems

Mark Henderson

@TheCleaner I'm not so sure; "Lync compatible" phones are about $250/each and the Lync licenses cost about the same as a new digital back-end

And I already have a SIP provider that I'm on very good terms with who can hook them up with a trunk and port their numbers over

Matt Bear

damn it.. I have to put on my dev hat

get it out, dust the rat turds off of it, and show up this $85 an hour turd we brought in

Ry Jones

20:50

@MattBear so what you're saying is you could be making $85 an hour, but you choose not to do so.

TheCleaner

Well @MarkHenderson you could convince them to go with the E4 O365 offering.

Mark Henderson

@TheCleaner That's most certainly an offering I'm looking at

Matt Bear

@RyJones I could lol... but I wouldn't be worth it yet

at consultant rates, you aren't paying them to learn it, your paying them cause they know it

Ry Jones

wrong. you're paying them because they leave

Matt Bear

@RyJones well, that too

Ry Jones

20:52

just like a whore, you pay consultants not for the fucking, but for the leaving

Matt Bear

@RyJones bad analogy, cause if it's the whores first time, then that can be fun too, and your still willing to pay

though if she needs you to teach her how to spread her legs, take off her panties, and which hole it goes into... She's just stupid

MIfe

@RyJones I'm pretty sure I can get lots of women to leave me without paying them. Actually, I reckon some would pay me.

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