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16:01
@Magellan it's nothing crazy... nothing I haven't seen before...
@ewwhite The product management company I worked for definitely required quite the mix of responsibilities from their full-time staff. And I can't imagine that a 10-person startup would be less so than a 300 person company.
Except I'm not quite sure what rabbit, zookeeper and monkeyballs do.
@Magellan Do you have experience with monkeyballs?
@ewwhite No but he has experience with... the cloud. <_<
Nast.
ebook reading on a surface is a fucking miserable experience
There are, literally no good apps
I've tried at least half a dozen
16:08
@MDMarra Why do you want to read ebooks on a back-lit screen? It's horrible.
Dan
Dan
Agreeed, e-Ink Kindle all the way
Because I don't have a Kindle and I don't want another device
I remember there was a game Super Monkey Ball
-)))
@MDMarra Well, don't blame me when your eyeballs fall out of your head in a couple years.
@Magellan: I do that routinely. Black background, white text ftw
16:09
I won't
@JourneymanGeek Just wait until you're 40.
@Nonapeptide Yah... bad timing there :-p http://t.co/mNoZTmLseH
It's stabby tuesday and my first support case of the morning is a brand new AOL email failure code that I've never seen before, but a thoughtful user somehow managed to dredge up.
I have to say, AOL has a freaking awesome postmaster help and troubleshooting system.
@Magellan: heh, I prefer proper books.
but moonreader isn't half bad
@JourneymanGeek So do I. But my house is not sufficiently large to handle the astonishing large amount of books that I own unless some were stored electronically.
lol
mom and I read a lot
16:16
@Wesley I'll trade you for my idiot Staples tech who wants us to buy a wifi nic so we can print to our usb printer. :|
I have friends that own something like 10000 volumes. The walls of every room in their entire house are set up as bookshelves.
lol
I would do that
@Tanner That's special.
@Wesley Better than glassdoor. Their system doesn't appear to work properly with the new TLDs and the help desk has to manually activate email addresses that use them.
@Magellan Which new ones? Are you using your [email protected] address again?
@Magellan Uh oh, I had a Sr. Research Recruiter at Amazon look at my profile on LinkedIn this morning.
Our collective experience with Amazon recruiters does not make me gleeful to see that. =P
16:23
@Wesley prepare yourself to be worn like a skin puppet. As it ever was with all the big company recruiters.
@RobM It would be good resume fodder if I could stick there for a few years, I guess. That's all it appears to be.
I'm honestly not savvy enough to start in any really fun position. Maybe I could work up to something if I had a chance.
Guys can someone review for me windows based quote?
update win2008 to 2012 dc on the new server and migrate exchange.
I don't know what places like that want anyway. Specialists in some infinitely small sliver of their own devops platform.
just want to see if it is reasonable.
I do not do much of winsys, but need to evaluate for the friend who runs business, what he got proposed by it company.
@DanilaLadner I'll take a look
that's not a link to a paste though :)
16:35
sorry
and it is parsed terribly
he sent a paste from pdf quote.
It's bogus already
Exchange 2013 is fine with XP, as is Server 2012
Office 2003 will need to be upgraded, but that's a different story
@DanilaLadner what @mdmarra said re: exchange and server versions. Also, unless there are really very few users, putting SQL and Exchange on the same server, and making it a DC at that, is not the path to joy and happiness
Ya thats bad design
If they're that strapped for cash just do Server Essentials with Exchange
Otherwise split it out
@Wesley Amazon also takes about 3 eons to go through their recruitment process too. I submitted a single resume' submission to them in early September. They were just getting around to a 2nd interview with me on October 10th when I accepted the position at the new place
Why not O365 if it's that few users?
16:38
Cheap hourly rate though
110/h for labor is practically giving it away
Yeah, I'd look at Office 365 rather than Exchange on a DC. Or at least I'd use virtualisation to separate the roles out on the same hardware.
@DanilaLadner the labor seems somewhat reasonable, but the design is garbage
At least it appears that way, tough to say for sure without knowing the environment
I feel like you're getting shafted with the server cost too...
We spent ~$3k on a new rackmount and it has similar specs
Thank you, Mdmara Could you do something for them? It is non profit org in Trenton
but they definitely payable
I did app for them
@Magellan That's just not right.
16:41
environment is not big
They have this old 2003 server where they have everything.
I don't do much exchange work, I wouldn't feel comfortable
They literally have 15 people the most of staff.
@NathanC Thanks for that too
Thanks for help
17:17
Does serverfault.com/questions/546164/… seem more like an SU or U&L question (given thr OPs lack of basic knowledge) ?
Think I'm switching teams....from iPhone to Android
Had it with my 4S
@Cole One of us! One of us!
fuck iphone
<3 my 5
fell from 1 meter high table on the carpet, all screen in the web
wtf?
17:24
@MDMarra --| |-- 5 inches, eh?
iPhone 5 bro
Thinking about the HTC One or S4
5" is not that bad, average.
I don't really want to pay $550 for a phone, ugh.
not eligible for an upgrade till August, 2014.
It would be cheaper for me to cancel my AT&T plan and go to a different provider. like wtf
What's the simplest way to tell apache to serve a static file as / if it's a POST request?
There's a new DDoS attack that pushes random POST data to /, typically attacking WP sites
it'd be nice to be able to mitigate in .htaccess or soemthing
17:30
I'm thinking about switching to Verizon but..hmm
@NathanC Maybe. I'm thinking RewriteCond with %{REQUEST_METHOD}, but I think that didn't successfully mitigate the attack last time I tried it
might as well try again
@tylerl I've never used the Limit directive, but from what I gather it rejects with a 403, so the attack is stopped short.
@NathanC Well, I don't want to limit ALL posts, just POST to "/"
However it's pretty hard to preemptively stop someone from sending a ton of data to apache. Most things will just help limit the amount of resources consumed.
Maybe you can go at the iptables level
17:36
@tylerl You missed the photos I posted last night of a resort here in town.
@NathanC Layer 7 filtering in IPTables?
And that's just one part of one data room on the grounds. =P
@Wesley That's not actually too horrible.
@Wesley Gotta love the telco patch boards
@tylerl I'd have gone with something using RewriteCond %{REQUEST_METHOD} POST
17:38
@jscott I've seen worse, yeah.
@tylerl Well yes...you can restrict the amount of data sent on port 80
@tylerl Yeahhh... it's gonna be fun. No virtualization, about five different switch vendors, no documentation, no idea what is plugged where. Literally NOTHING is known about it.
@tylerl you should ask on he main site then @ShaneMadden will see it and provide an answer
There are desktop PCs running stuff that no one knows about, there's a consumer linksys router plugged in that no one knows what it does...
ew
17:39
Just unplug things one at a time and write down who complains.
If I upgrade to an iPhone 5S - my plan goes up $24/month because they change the data plan
@tylerl Or...mod_evasive: zdziarski.com/blog/?page_id=442
@jscott It's tempting.
Hm. When I redirect they just start filling the buffers with crap. I guess nginx reverse-proxying is the way to go again.
@Cole I want to move to verizon since my work gets discounts, but i can't eat the early term. fees :(
17:40
@NathanC Never seen that acutally be effective
30% accessory discount and 18% plan discount lol
I get 20% off AT&T from work - which is $88/month
@tylerl As I said, while the ddos is technically a layer 7 attack, an attacker doesn't care if your server will respond to it correctly or not. The data will still flood your pipe regardless of what you do.
But like I said, if I upgrade it'll be $110+ month
The best thing to try is to redirect your site through something like Cloudflare
17:42
@NathanC That really only works if you start before they know your IP
I could go with Sprint, Verizon or T-Mobile for cheaper probably, and not pay $600+ out of pocket.
@tylerl True, but if you're already actively being attacked your host might give you a new IP if you request it.
@tylerl mod_evasive?
Wow, Sprint's coverage sucks
My previous solution was to put "return 444" in an nginx config for POST to "/" -- surprisingly effective
then reverse-proxy the rest.
cause it doesn't even send a response.
Interesting, even with my unlimited data I only use <3GB a month
GoDaddy just bought MediaTemple.
Dammit.
Why you wanted to?
WHY @JOELESALAS WHY?!?!?!?!
May they drown in the tears of a thousand infants.
@Wesley GoDaddy will cement its iron grip on the low end
by buying Dreamhost
17:56
@JoelESalas There will eventually only be two butts to choose from: GoDaddy and Amazon. Then we'll all be fucked.
lol wat
@NathanC you need a better job, you're worth much more than you make.
@Cole Why do you say that? :P
@NathanC just reading your answers/comments
I will undoubtedly regret this, like I have with an CA product in the distant past...but I'm going to try out their Nimsoft Monitor SNAP product: http://www.ca.com/us/lpg/nimsoft-monitor-snap/register.aspx
Apparently it is free for up to 30 devices and has some pretty extensive features that are nice to have. I'm not a fan of Nagios/et al, and Spiceworks 7 has been pissing me off lately.
ibCAsucksballs
18:04
@Cole I'm flattered haha. This job is currently perfect for gathering much-needed "real world" experience. It's probably not going to be my career one.
@NathanC how far are you from Andover, MA?
@Cole Probably a good 3 hours.
I'm in south portland, maine if that means anything lol
Isn't everything south of Portland?
Everything in the well-paying job area apparently.
@NathanC man, Maine sucks.
18:10
@Cole Yep...apparently. Believe me, in a few years from now I'm hoping I snag a much better job. For now, this job as a resume builder is the best I can do atm
@NathanC how long have you been there
@Cole Since April, so...~7 months.
ah
@TheCleaner Spiceworks seems to be crashy for me, and the only way I can fix it is by starting over since I blindly installed the RC...which is non-upgradable :(
@NathanC well, it's pretty easy enough to backup settings and restore them, they are basic flat files, but still...their support always tells me "well try removing the device again" and half the time when things go down I don't get proper notifications.
But they rock in terms of being able to easily grab desktop info, like warranty remaining, dell service tags, etc. etc. So maybe I'll keep them scanning our desktops and go with something else for the stuff I want alerting on
I like the "test kick"
cole: have you looked into buying hardware directly from Google? It's usually pretty affordable.
hey guys
@Jeffrey do you have a link?
18:22
For the record, mod_evasive failed
@dawud hey
again.... I am asking how many users could my setup handle base on others people experience. not if i am testing it in the right way. I want a baseline. — Jonathan Thurft 11 mins ago
This guy just doesn't get it -_-;
@NathanC solved that - closed
Woo!
18:23
@cole it seems like they took down the purchase page until the 5 is available?
Slowly downloading Zabbix to give it a try...
@Jeffrey Hm. So the N5 not today? Poop.
The nexus 5 will be $399 and have LTE, carrier unlocked
You can buy my iPhone 5 so I can get the Nexus 5 instead?
@Jeffrey Carrier unlocked doesn't mean "works on Verizon" though.
I'm pretty sure they usually sell a CDMA version
Verizon has been notorious for not activating devices on their network that they didn't sell to you
@MDMarra word
It doesn't look like the radio supports it based on the FCC filings.
Think I'll stick with AT&T :P
That's just forum lure though, I haven't personally verified it.
18:26
What would win in a fight? The nexus 5 or Moto X?
One of my proudest moments was last week when a kid lost their iPad (I work at a school) and I used the Fluke tester to find it by MAC address. Not sure if anyone else finds this humorous.
@Jeffrey Yeah, I've done things like that. Always loved it. Tracing a MAC address to a switch port, form port to patch panel, from panel to office drop.
@tylerl I would bet on Nexus 5
I always wonder what it would be like to work at a school or university
is it more laid back?
it is
Surely it cant be. The users (kids) are bound to be less trustworthy.
higher ed is a different environment
@DanilaLadner knows :)
@MDMarra were you allowed to wear jeans?
There was no formal dress code, but I didn't
@Cole I think it depends on where too. Colleges tend to be more uh...well funded. More toys!
:p
I want to be able to wear jeans again :(
$newjob didnt say anything about my earlobes - I wore solid plugs though
18:33
@NathanC Depends entirely on the school
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Q: Commercial Server Hardware vs Consumer Hardware

MattI am struggling with paying double the cost for an inferior spec'd server hardware vs consumer hardware. Basically the server costs about $8,300 + $1,500 Warranty 9x5 4 Hour response 4 Year = $9,800 6 Core Xeon 2.5GHz processor 12 threads, 32 GB RAM 1333Ghz, 2 TB of storage RAID 10 10,000RPM, ...

I had to wear a shirt and tie during construction. The IDFs were the only rooms in the building with power at certain times, just try to keep the contractors out when they need to charge their tools. (Really wasn't their fault)
...superuser migration. keelllll
I think anywhere has more IT funding than your current job though @NathanC :)
@MDMarra I wouldn't doubt it.
18:34
@MDMarra maybe not - they're not still on NT4....we are
I mean, it's sad when my home connection's 4x faster than work :(
It's taking ~20 minutes to download a 400 MB .ovf >.>
I ended up using pfSense and two 100/20 Comcast connections. If your browser uses multiple connections for downloading you could get 200 megabits down. Speedtest.net did :-)
@cole I work at a university. West coast. I'm wearing shorts right now, but I can definitely wear jeans. Really no dress code for IT staff.
I'm a programmer, I somehow got sent to IT when nobody knew how to work what I set up.
18:38
@freiheit jealy
Guess I need to be on the West Coast
@Jeffrey That's one way to ensure job security.
Am I the only one that likes to dress nice? =P Forget Casual Friday, I declare Formal Friday and show up in a three piece. 'cause I'm fine.
If you really like consumer-class server systems, I have a job opportunity for you ;) — ewwhite 53 secs ago
@cole We have beer, too. ;)
I worked 7 day weeks, 80 hours+, they took away my overtime so I'm looking for a new gig. I said I would spend 30 days training someone or writing up documentation.
18:40
@Jeffrey I was hired as a "support" person. I'm now managing our network basically...since my boss doesn't really know vmware all that well. :P
@freiheit mmm beer
Just use SmartOS instead of VMWare, everybody will act like they just landed on Mars.
@Wesley I just don't feel comfortable. Finding pants at my height is too much of a bitch
Plus no pesky RAM limitations for ESXi
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Q: Commercial Server Hardware vs Consumer Hardware

MattI am struggling with paying double the cost for an inferior spec'd server hardware vs consumer hardware. Basically the server costs about $8,300 + $1,500 Warranty 9x5 4 Hour response 4 Year = $9,800 6 Core Xeon 2.5GHz processor 12 threads, 32 GB RAM 1333Ghz, 2 TB of storage RAID 10 10,000RPM, ...

18:40
f cfengine3 enterprise web UI is just so horrible, any php student can do better
We're swiching to Hyper-V next year.
and they sell it for astronomical amount of $
Puppet enterprise isn't that hot.
@MDMarra you have a Surface, right?
i have no words
18:41
@Jeffrey Wow, that's insane. Are you in your current 30 day period or is that a long past workplace?
Some of the answers over at networkengineering blows my mind.. was it really like this four years ago on this site? I can't remember..
like this one:
5
A: Is ADSL's UDP packet forwarding rate strictly linear to packet size?

Mike Pennington Is ADSL's UDP packet forwarding rate strictly linear to packet size? The answer is "no, because of the variable nature of ATM AAL5 padding used in ADSL lines". Since you aren't sure what encapsulation is used on the ADSL modem, I'll assume it's PPPoE, most providers use PPPoE for customer c...

@cole Ya, RT
@DanilaLadner we are still using cfengine 2 here :/
we are too
2 and 3
but i refactored most of 2 policies
@MDMarra do you like it?
18:42
still have some hanging
@pauska ya
Cfengine is over
and we even had to pin 2 to a specific version
@cole I dont use it much
Wesley, in 30 days, here I'm sitting waiting for the poor overworked IT guy to get here to train.
18:42
@MDMarra ah ok
I use my iPad way more
They want me to work 9-5, but I can't touch any production systems during that time, so it's not a very good use of their money.
If it were a pro I probably would
@faker where is it?
@Jeffrey Gotcha, well good for you for sticking up for yourself.
18:43
but being a puppet guy i really hate cfeninge
everything just needs to be so ..., i do not know how to describe
@DanilaLadner which version? Not sure, but way outdated, it was some problem when running it on FreeBSD...
@Wesley thanks for that. I'm not sure how they're going to make it, I'm going to do my best to pass the torch but it's not fair to turn IT into DBA/Sys Admin/Programmer in 30 days.
And he still has a full work load :-(
@MDMarra my Motorola Xoom is too slow but I don't think I need a laptop, rather get away with a tablet for sitting on the couch
@DanilaLadner we are moving to puppet!
Cfengine isn't bad. Just over.
18:44
@Jeffrey It's unfair but it's the leadership's problem, so... don't feel too bad.
@Jeffrey I concur - use the time to replicate the production environment to a lab, and then go haywire
test patches during the day, test upgrades and so on..
linux.windows.!monday|tuesday|myweservs_prd.mymysql_prd
like wtf?
Wow.
@faker I hope we will be to, or chef
But don't you like HARDclasses?
18:45
I do not care
better puppet
Friday at 1PM can't come soon enough.
pauska ... this is true and I'm set up to do so, it's just being a programmer and working at start ups you're not used to thousands of people actually using your systems at a given time, you pretty much could lazily throw stuff at a wall without affecting anyone
@ewwhite in-flight wifi?
we abused cfengine so much, some deployments take 5 or 6 cfagent runs until they are complete
plus implicit iteration, just horrible, never readable
@faker heh i think our record was 9
18:47
@DanilaLadner change a DNS record? That will be 3 cfagent runs on 3 different servers. :/
@faker I get so annoyed by a system that requires two puppet runs for deployment that I'm likely to reinstall until I get the dependency chains fixed.
Also, has anyone tried to quit soda lately? It's hard. Energy drinks included.
any puppetDB users around? I found some issues with the new v1.5, now that puppetdb-ssl-setup creates PEM certs instead of JKS stores. PuppetDB won't even start. :(
tell them @ freenode #puppet
18:50
@Jeffrey I've been off soda for years, except for very rare treats. Once you get off, and stay off for a while, it goes away.
@Jeffrey My thing is coffee and green tea. I drink the stuff like a camel in the desert.
@mdmarra last minute first class upgrade
@Wesley I agree. Most sodas are painfully sweet. Ick.
I'm so addicted to caffeine it's not funny. Just ask @voretaq7 for his assessment of me.
@DanilaLadner yeah, probably better
But not on the plane yet.
18:51
@ewwhite bling bling
how much for the upgrade?
@freiheit Yeah, the sugar content is insane. Drinking your calories is the quickest way to get fat and unhealthy.
I'm about to walk out on my 30 days, they decided to disable LDAP and remove SSO from Google Apps without talking to me. They spoke to a Google Engineer instead of just asking. Little do they know that nobody has a password set in Google Apps, only in LDAP.
@Jeffrey Let one go warm and flat so you can taste what it really tastes like, without the carbonation and cold masking the flavor.
Even "healthy" fruit juices.
@Jeffrey that's so awesome. =P
18:52
@ewwhite word. Let me know when you get in. I'm still trying to figure out if I have to be halfway across the state for 8am tomorrow
@Wesley That's getting too close to telling me not to drink beer. Them's fightin' words! ;)
It's not like LDAP was used for Remote Desktop and their student information system and all our Atlassian products.
@Wesley Apple juice concentrate is the new high fructose corn syrup.
@freiheit I think beer is the only acceptable exception to not drinking your calories. =P
I guess they didn't like the address book on the phones or copiers.
It's not like I had fun building a directory from scratch getting employee files from payroll.
18:52
@freiheit Oh goodness the HFCS freaks ride up my ass. They're almost as bad as the 9/11 truthers.
@Wesley as a chaser to a vodka shot
@Wesley Also whisky. And wine... and cider. and gin. and tequila... let's just agree on booze. :)
@freiheit Wine is so sugary. =(
heh, just got a call from our on-call ops. All servers in our datacenter have lost their management interface.
Welp, I guess we test today if we really only run management on it.
@Wesley Depends on the wine and what you're comparing it against.
18:53
@MDMarra - looky looky...serverfault.com/questions/545951/…
@Wesley When I said that, I meant "really cheap source of sugar"
@TheCleaner Can't fix stupid
@freiheit Ah, I thought you meant it was being villainized as the next meth.
@Wesley The Googles say that there's, on average, 1.2g of sugar per 5oz of wine.
Now they're saying they're planning on it, but they spoke to a Google Engineer before they spoke to me? They don't see why I'd have an issue with that... guh
18:55
@ScottPack YOU WILL DIE!
@Jeffrey I think 30 days is being very generous to them.
@faker Meh, who needs management? :p
30 days is just over 4 weeks. Plenty of notice time
They strong armed me and insisted I had an employment contract until July 2013, but it's July 2012 and I know that. It's out of kindness to my coworkers.
@Wesley The shitty beer like cider in my fridge is 7g per 12oz.
But they're just ripping apart everything I built so what's the point in me staying.
18:56
@Jeffrey So what kind of job are you looking for?
@Wesley You're a cat.
Programming, my strongest language is JavaScript (front/back end) but I started using Python and really like it. I know PHP but I prefer not to use it :-)
@MDMarra but he googled and found NOTHING! google.com/#psj=1&q=add+remove+programs+server+2012 ;)
@voretaq7 pees on mallomars
18:58
Has anyone else used the new Jira Service Desk? It's great... too bad it used LDAP ;-)
@Wesley Jokes on you bitch, I put your cat food in that box.
@mdmarra boarded. People are sooo rude.
@NathanC apparently we don't :D
But people in first class act mighty privileged, too.
haha
18:59
@faker Our (two) servers have unconfigured DRAC cards...
Well, one is.
But it might as well not be. It's DRAC Express so I don't even get a console :(
@ewwhite The airline staff or the customers are rude?

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