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20:00
It's like 3 months old
man, I can't wait to GTFO of her. Domino admin is Q_Qing about having to work all weekend and has to stay late on an issue today.
@Ward Friends are in Burnaby, close to Vancouver harbor.
@MIfe OK, choose a channel :)
Alas, they do transcripts I believe :).
@Wesley North BBy? Unfortunately, the apartment's no where near there.
20:01
@Ward Oh well, you have magnificent public transport... and I'd go so terribly far as to buy a bike if I moved there. =p
wow...I think I actually made deep config changes to my Call Manager without breaking anything and only fixing what I wanted to change. It's almost as if CUCM works as intended!
@dawud Do you have irc or some other means to communicate like g+?
g+ is fine
@MarkHenderson let me know when you're around - I need to pick someones SQL brain
Since I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to social networking. Need to figure out how you can add me to my circle of special people.
how do you actually get a link to your account
mine resolves to some daft uri
@MIfe use my real name to find me, and open a hangout chat; or just add me and I'll open the chat
ah I find it.
Am I supposed to be able to find your real name on here?
Yep
I have a hangout chat opened, but "Matthew isn't on Hangouts right now. He'll see your messages later"
@Wesley If by magnificent, you mean "universally reviled," yeah.
20:12
@Ward Aww, I thought it was really extensive and good. =(
I thought you had a sweet light rail system.
I think i've figured out this whole google plus website stuff. Go me.
A is roughly where I am. B is downtown, where all the fun is... C is approximately where work is. D is about where the Richmond apartment is.
The red line I drew in is Boundary road, the boundary between Van and Bby. If your friends are 'close to the harbour' then they'd have to be in North Bby.
There is F-all rapid transit between N. bby and anywhere. The Richmond apt. is right on a skytrain line, though.
@Ward Oh wow you live up in the sticks!
@freiheit lovely
20:27
@Wesley It's ~12km to my kid's school (which is close to downtown, where we used to live), another ~12km to work from there. Vancouver's not that big.
RRAS install via powershell is hung at 91%
This shouldn't take more than a minute right?
@Ward Yeah friends are near Adanac and Nanaimo St I think. Newly moved there.
and I'm going home, laterz
@Ward I just realized I could have found all this out by Strava stalking you
20:34
Hi Guys, tell me in what I can chat to ask a question about Drupal?
@Wesley Adanac is one of the main E-W bike routes. Nanaimo St. is on the Vancouver side, and it would be a stretch to call that near the water... (except for the pool nearby)
@HarryAscent Nowhere. You're probably best off asking the question on webmasters.stackexchange.com or, if it's about programming, stackoverflow.com.
@RyanRies Fuck that
Sox won last night!
@Ward I was significantly zoomed out when I said that. Close to the water when compared to, say, kamloops? =P
20:37
right, that
I forgot about that
;)
ok, thanks
@Wesley Oh, yeah, you should visit Vernon if you come to BC, that's the town for y you...
Award nominee for dumbest question of the week?
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Q: Windows Server 2012: Add/Remove Programs?

Brian LacyIn Windows Server (currently using 2012), is there an interface to uninstall 3rd party applications that have been previously installed by an installer (i.e., files as well as registry settings must be removed during uninstall)? Obviously in desktop versions of Windows there has always been an "...

WHO UPVOTED THAT?!
@MDMarra No clue, but I tossed another downvote, and then competed with your answer :)
20:53
@MDMarra just a thought...(although I agree the question is derp). I wonder if he's hitting the WIN key and typing "uninstall" or "programs and features" and not realizing it is in the "settings" menu context and not the "apps" menu context.
@TheCleaner "...and not realizing it is in the "settings" menu context and not the "apps" menu context." I think I was just bitching the other day about Win8 doing that.
I find it hard to blame anyone for struggling to find something in the maze of twisty passages that apparently passes for a UI in Windows 8/2012
@pauska - I have arrived
Another question that should be closed and never answered even if you want the easy points.
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Q: Is there a term for Second Level Domain and Top Level Domain

K2xLIf I observe the domain: http://www.google.com/ http is the protocal www is the subdomain google is the second level domain com is the top level domain Is there a specific term that would describe google.com?

@TheCleaner it's a dupe of serverfault.com/questions/222095/…
21:00
how do these people even internet
AOL
;)
Silly question, but uh, how do you patch a Windows Core server? @RyanRies?
@Iain and now he gets a derp answer to go along with the question
21:02
Obviously WSUS w/ GPO or SCCM, but what about a core VM in my lab environment
@MDMarra - turn it on, then run a /detectnow
I think you can d/l and install most patches from the command line
also i think its an option in sconfig
@MarkHenderson
@MDMarra sconfig option 6
off to go watch Walking Dead!
@MDMarra @RyanRies - found this as well for server core: ctxadmtools.com/DownloadTool.aspx?ProdID=67 interesting...
21:07
lol
@TheCleaner @MDMarra we always used sconfig to get our boxes up to date
ah sconfig
yeah, that's what my first reply was in regards to. Enable it in sconfig and then run a /detectnow to force it to run.
got it
Really just doing my first install of core now in my lab
21:08
oh you will have so much fun
can't wait for @voretaq7 response
I agree. Core is hawt.
tbh we've ended up doing full installs then removing the gui role because we found so many issues that just really needed the gui installing to debug and its a pain in the hoop to add it from scratch afterwards.
I still think its the way forwards for windows servers though, especially for the base services that no one should be fucking with too often once they're set up.
@TheCleaner I guarantee you it's about me telling him that there's no fucking reason to disable the windows firewall service
Firewall maybe just mayyybe you can convince me with an edge case. Not the service though
@MDMarra lol...I just read the back and forth there...I see no example of you being impolite though. Looked pretty civil to me, vs. downvoting his answer and going HopelessN00b on him.
21:15
WHAT DID HE DO TO GET BANNED?!
To this day no one's told me!
@FalconMomot - would be proud of me and my tag edit for him on that last meta question
Yo is @JoelESalas here?!
@TheCleaner My response is to upvote @MDMarra telling him to post an example or STFU
@TheCleaner I am indeed.
@MDMarra he took a huge step over the civility line
21:16
@MDMarra ? I don't think he's banned. I think he lurks now. He got pissed at someone/something. I don't recall if he was given a time out or not.
HopelessN00b got banned?
Like, perma-banned?
@MarkHenderson We have a 3rd-party Business Intelligence software that needs data from 3 different databases to make reports.. We've moved one of the databases to a new server, and now the BI software is slow because of local processing of remote data (linked servers)
@RyanRies He got a time-out and hasnt really been back since
I remember liking several of his answers a lot
@RyanRies he got a 3 day time out - so far, he has chosen not to come back
21:17
and the queries are all whack.. joins within joins within joins and declares and whatnot.. impossible to send over OPENQUERY()
I liked his answers...and personally thought his demeanor was "fun". He made sarcastic comments, but it made the site more colorful imo.
@Ward I'm scared. Is it full of drugs and prostitutes? Sign me up!
I got a little pissy myself when I got a time-out from chat, but I blew off some steam, and I live to offend another day!
@MarkHenderson What should I do? My idea right now, without ever having touched the product, is to use integration services and transfer/process the data to one server, and then dump the results in a new db/tables that I can point the BI software at..
I think everyone's been chatbanned at least once...right @voretaq7....?
21:19
He was getting meaner and meaner and one night went to far, the rest is history
I'm assuming the post was deleted?
@MDMarra It's all your fault. you and that goddamned asshole bird
Fortunately they were comments so deleted and only visible to mods and above
Yelling Bird -- the state bird of Server Fault.
@MDMarra I've been chatbanned so much I high five Malacoda when I'm kicked into the underworld.
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21:23
I have two porterhouses warming to room temperature right now
mmmmmmmmmm
@Wesley the time to worry is when you get chatbanned so much you think you're Him Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken.
OK, being as I skipped lunch, I'm outta here. I'll check in on that Meta post at some point tonight and if there are some concrete examples shitkickings may be handed out. ::cranky mod - AWAY::
@MDMarra a ridicilous ban imho.. he's a good guy, just miscommunication and people not interpreting sarcasm
I didn't see the specific comments but he was really getting close to it. I could tell.
It went from "haha what a BOFH" to "oh, that was mean"
at least in my opinion
@pauska you didn't see the comments
21:27
@MDMarra He's made a few comments... maybe one per month.
@pauska Ok we have the same thing, and we do it different ways
One database we replicate using SQL Transaction replication because they need to report on relatively up to date data, and the tables were all suitable (had PKs), and schemas almost never changed
One database was more difficult. Quite a few heaps, and not all suitable for replication because of frequent schema changes. So we did SQL Log shipping - we copied the logs every 30 minutes, but only restored once a day as the data that was being reported on did not need to be up to date - 24 hours old was fine
Catch with log shipping is it kicks everyone off the database when the restores run
Ah. Yes, snapshot replication and log shipping also crossed my mind, but seeing as this app only need a few tables from each app.. it seemed kind of overkill
and I don't need instant data.. even though the BI world is moving that way
@MarkHenderson Why didn't you go for intergration services instead?
@pauska Never done any training on it or really know how to use it properly. Better the devil you know sometimes.
@MDMarra What up playboy
Anyone working at companies that have 24/7 NOC's or Service Desk functions?
21:41
@JoelESalas Nothin, just haven't seen you around. I'm having dinner with @ewwhite tomorrow and we're going to sit down and figure out how to get you blackballed in every major marketi n the US
Yeah...
@MathiasR.Jessen Plenty of my customers have that
How much access is 1st line personel provided with?
@MathiasR.Jessen Always more than I wish they had
Do they have the keys to eveything? Or is there anything they require external help to access?
21:43
They don't have access to everything... but a lot... don't want to get too specific, to be honest :)
I wouldn't neither ^_^
I'm often wondering how much trust is placed with people who barely understand the implications
@MathiasR.Jessen I did some project work once where the front line guys had no keys by default, but this app gave them keys for a limited time
For instance they don't have access to my domain controllers
E.g. they had to enter a ticket number, and which client's database they wanted access to, and it would grant their AD username permissions for 30/60/90 mins, whatever, and then revoke the access when the time was up
But they downside is that they'll wake me up to perform trivial admin work on my DCs in the middle of the night, like restarting a service or something
Because they don't have access to
21:45
@RyanRies Can you empower someone on-site that you trust implictly who can do these minor escalations for you?
@RyanRies If it's unnecessary, educate them better ;)
@MarkHenderson As long as you require people to actually understand what powers you hand them, and have auditing in place - that's definitely the way to go
@MDMarra thx guys <3
@MathiasR.Jessen I've seen a good deal of demos/articles on setting up System Center Service Manager + Orchestrator for exactly those scenarios
Restarting services, doing some SQL script etc without the support people having any clue whatsoever what goes on in the background
I'll take it up with the stackexchange staff directly. Thank you all for your time and responses. — Colyn1337 26 secs ago
Is someone going to kill this meta question now?
Theres no need to be so rude about it @MDMarra :P
21:59
haha
@MDMarra @JoelESalas Just tryin' to hustle.
He's not happy and his comment narrows the field considerably
@Iain I'll bet money it was from this: serverfault.com/questions/545495/…
He seems very sensitive
some people don't do criticism well
Wife lost her job... fuck.
22:07
bummer dude. sorry to hear it
@Tanner :((((
Yeah, sucky stuff. Oh well. She didn't like it there anyway.
Non-profits/public sector places are fucking weird.
@Tanner what happened?
@ewwhite Politics and money.
Ok bros, I'm going to go make these steaks
@ewwhite email me where you're staying again. I forget
22:08
@MDMarra cheesesteaks?
brosteaks
Porterhouse, sorry to disappoint
@ewwhite also, thinking we should go to the continental tomorrow if you haven't been
yeah I'm going to bed, later fools
It's walking distance from where I think you're staying
I'll be in Rittenhouse Square.
...next door to the place with the glory hole.
22:10
haha
Ok, let's meet at Continental then. Call me when you get in, we'll work out details
It's a creepy alley.
it's at 18th and chestnut, an easy walk from rittenhouse
Not the Martini bar?
Are you trying to sleep with me or talk business?
Well, there's a Continental Martini bar.
22:12
Not sure. It's a Steven Star resturaunt
I'm sure they serve martinis
@MDMarra This place looks kinky, too...
;)
ok, steak. bye
For the record, this is where @MDMarra is taking me!!
I'm down with it.
@Tanner Can she rebound?
@Tanner Yeah. Not a good time to be in non-profit work either. Less money every year with more demands being placed for reporting and whatnot.
@MDMarra remember the isRecycled issue I described? Where all objects disappeared on R2
22:43
wow, azure does some cool shit
:D
@MDMarra Can I come
@ewwhite Yeah, won't be a problem. She's perfectly bilingual (Spanish) in town full of Mexicans. Worst case scenario she goes back to straight interpreting instead of doing work she likes.
We're thinking about leaving town though. May as well right now...
@Magellan Yeah, somebody cocked up the budget and they think they don't have enough money to keep her, so they had to give her 3 weeks notice. They've had several instances of firing somebody on Friday and hiring them on Monday again... I don't think she plans on staying either way.
@Tanner Sheesh. what a mess.
@Magellan Yeah, it's a foreign world to me. I've never had to deal with government funding. I can't stand even hearing about the bullshit.
She's dealt with it her working life though, so it's nothing new to her.
@ewwhite Too many white people.
22:57
@ewwhite Yo, I got a room that might be able to rival one of your produce companies
@Wesley does he have produce companies anymore? I thought he was not doing that whole working thing anymore.
@FalconMomot He's got his side gig making mad money yo. =P
O Americans, plz 2 pay bills? Thx.
@Wesley Aah, I didn't know that was a side thing.
does aws make $ for amazon?
what was it Ry?
23:20
@DanilaLadner A picture of your mom.
@FalconMomot side thing?!? It's my main thing, it seems.
@DanilaLadner I can't tell... most of the AWS instances I end up on are pretty low-end servers.
@ewwhite Yo, check this out:
sometimes I feel like companies can do better by just getting proper colo...
(Uno momento while I get the shot read)
Behold!
23:27
@ewwhite yeah, true
@Wesley ?
@ewwhite Did you see it?
that was one of an ugly closet
@Wesley 2-post racks!
23:29
@Wesley Meh, what about it?
that's not even everything in the room, and there are more buildings on the property like that, and there are three campuses in the nation
Meh...
@ewwhite Going to be a fun few months with that campus, and then maybe on to Cali to pick up the other two.
can't hang with me.
It's a resort here in Phoenix.
23:30
@ewwhite Dude, SonicWall and everything! Also, no virtualization, and 48 port LinkSys switches.
@ewwhite did you get a new job?
yp
@DanilaLadner Nope... interviews.
I see
you want NY?
23:31
@ewwhite Pretty!
@DanilaLadner Not sure... I want a step up.
otherwise, my consulting work is quite fine.
directoring?
architecting?
ur own thing?
@DanilaLadner I maintain infrastructure for ~30 produce companies around the country.
And a hosted data-mirroring and monitoring solution for them.
what is produce company?
milk?
nope...
fruits.
23:33
oh ok
all 30 companies do fruits?
heh, yes.
hmm. interesting
@Wesley C'mon... one more time!
@DanilaLadner I've had these clients for 11 years.
good
stable income
how do you do only fruit companies?
23:36
Because I used to work for a company that did this.
before finance.
is chiquita one of them?
I took a pay cut to go to trading....
yes.
Del Monte is out there, but I don't deal with them anymore.
It seems i take a pay cut already 2 years in the row
but expenses are going up
uh oh.
its ok, i do not think it is possible to get financially comfortable working for someone.
i just do not believe in the idea
23:41
@DanilaLadner I tend to have major deal-breaking disagreements with coworkers/bosses at jobs.
yeah, me too.
especially with managers
@ewwhite Are you "not a team player"?
part of why I can be so forceful is that I know there's a cushion to fall back on.
@freiheit I'm not a team player because I don't play games!!
;)
@ewwhite There are companies that like that sort of behaviour... it's just hard to find them.
@freiheit I am, unless I lose respect.
And over the past year, I lost respect for much of my staff.
well, coworkers.
and it's not about not knowing something... everyone learns and should strive to get better...
it was a case of them just continuing some very wrong policies and processes
23:43
@ewwhite It's 'cause you're an over-achiever. It's easier to respect your co-workers' intelligence if they're all smarter/better than you are.
@Ward No, it's about some level of open-mindedness...
@ewwhite I'm starting to come up with a really crazy idea...
@ewwhite Why can't you be more open minded about doing things the wrong way? ;)
Easy example... My last company was a VMware and EMC partner... and they NEVER reached out to either company to get guidance on whether we were doing things the right way.
Stupid mistakes cost us more than $500k in credits paid to customers for downtime.
@freiheit Sure just be open minded enough when physician cuts the wrong foot
@freiheit My boss literally asked me that.
23:46
and says, come on man be open minded about it.
@ewwhite Hil-air-ious!
Edmund needs to learn to appreciate others' experience and incorporate it into his own. He needs to adjust to the <redacted company name> environment rather than expect to change it to match what he knows and is comfortable with.
who said that?
@freiheit I think you should
Sounds like a performance review comment...
23:47
@DanilaLadner My boss gave me this in a review two weeks ago.
biach...
and...
Edmund continues to be a key resource for Linux administration and has delved deeply into several of our most complex clients' environments. He provides clear client communication and demonstrates a willingness to understand the client's application and business needs. Edmund is responsive and helpful to NOC...
@ewwhite did you come back with "Years of doing it wrong does not count as experience, one should not adjust to a flawed environment, but rather fix the issues caused by the individuals in charge who lack experience."?
@ewwhite I don't think I can convince them I'm over 55 or under 10, so it's likely to be a humiliating defeat. :)
He typed <suck my ass> somewhere in that review... but I can't seem to find it now.
@MattBear No, I sat and took it. I was gone a week later.
23:49
@MattBear who lacks brains
experience might be useful
@freiheit No such thing. Jump in and try... if you do it, I'll do a race this season, too.
but not always
Easy example... we build a completely new datacenter to gain freedom from Equinix's costs...
one time 12 resume years unix/linux admin told me that "echo $?" will output "?" on the terminal
@DanilaLadner *who are about as intelligent as a mongoose with late stage syphilis"?
23:51
which i followed up with the question
but still used horizontal power distribution units.... and didn't use 208V power.
"Why would one want to output "?" to stdout with such a complicated command.
@MattBear They weren't dumb people... opposite. Very hard workers who lacked vision and good technical guidance.
@DanilaLadner and the answer?
Oh he confused himslef
@ewwhite ah, kinda like here... haha
23:54
said old keyboards did not have "?" sign. so apparently "echo $?" would help, but then i already said ok, lets move on, without mentioning how he got "?" to that command in the first place.
@DanilaLadner ALT code
I guess.
@DanilaLadner I know exactly what $? does, but I'm thinking I've never actually really used it in a script I wrote...
trigraphs exist for a reason
@DanilaLadner Nobody's ever asked me anything like that in an interview.
23:55
why not?
what does asking that show you?
@freiheit some proper error handling in bash requires checking status code of previously ran command
it's a trivia competition
I am going home on time today!
EMIT THE RESET TERMINAL CONTROL SEQUENCE FOR AN ADM-3A
23:57
@DanilaLadner Yes. I just always end up using if, && or ||... shrug
I may have jinxed myself by saying that :p
@RyJones Right...
as same as in C. checking for "-1" and follow up with reading "eerno" global integer var
I'm not into the trivia thing...
I have used $? but I can't remember when or why.
23:58
@ewwhite yup. not interesting
but it's because I'm not a scripter.
@ScottPack in a password?
I "just dun care"
@MattBear Oh heavens no. That sounds ridiculous.
@ScottPack thats right... why use anything except lower case letters damn it!
23:59
Ok so last friday guy. I asked him standard question about disk is filling up fast
you got called what are you doing?
@MattBear I answer hard acrostics, I've a pretty taste for paradox
@DanilaLadner file handles, truncating files, etc.
he said depending on what type of storage it is, he ultimately will throw 100G more at it
and this PHD in com science.
I mean come on give me a break

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