The Comms Room

Cole

12:04

@Dan I wish it was already all over.

MDMarra

How does this have a positive score?

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A: Windows 2008 Domain - DHCP on Server vs Firewall

At the risk of splitting hairs, it should be noted that there are no longer PDC's, but rather PDC emulators, which is a FSMO role. With that said asking to provide a pro's and con's list for this would depending on what you're hoping to use as your firewall appliance. Perhaps the most notable d...

Cole

@MDMarra I thought this was humorous

Why would someone minus 1 that and not explain why? I actually really need to know if what MDMarra is saying is correct or not. — blizz 6 hours ago

He may want to look at your rep & profile to know if you're correct or not :P

Jenny D

I don't know Windows so I'm not commenting or voting either way.

MDMarra

@Cole I've been wrong, it happens. But it's a stupidly easy thing to look up

Cole

Boss has a vaca day today, another guy called out sick - is it 1PM on Friday yet?

@MDMarra I agree.

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Q: Windows 2008 - Real Scenarios for Nonauthoritative and Authoritative Restore

I have read information about Nonauthoritative and Authoritative Restore methods on Microsoft Page. But I don't understand the concepts and the real case scenarios about them (When we use them). On Windows Server 2008 R2 we have AD Recycle Bin, that's great, no problem. But I think I must know th...

MDMarra

12:16

Answered

Jenny D

ICANN dumps USA: internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/…

Scott Pack

12:37

@Cole I hear that Mark guy's a blowhard. I mean, hell, he keeps recommending people use their TLD as their AD domain.

Cole

@JennyD oh snap

MDMarra

@ScottPack :(

Scott Pack

@MDMarra Speaking of, I have a question for you but I think it might be to hand wavey for main

MDMarra

sure, sup

ewwhite

12:53

WINDOWS QUESTION!!!

MDMarra

go

ewwhite

I need to expand a Customer's C: drive.

On Windows 2003

Chopper3

nice

ewwhite

what's the safe method?

Chopper3

backup and restore

ewwhite

12:54

In VMware, I mount the C: VMDK to another VM and expand.

MDMarra

@ewwhite Do you have contiguous free space at the end of the volume?

ewwhite

But this is a physical HP box.

@MDMarra I will... I'm expanding the underlying array by adding dicks.

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Jenny D

@ewwhite snerk

Chopper3

:)

MDMarra

diskpart
select disk 0
select partition 1
extend

Assuming C:\ is on disk 0 and is partition 1

ewwhite

12:55

@MDMarra but this do-nothing sysadmin consultant they have has allowed the infrastructure to atrophy to this point.

Chopper3

@ewwhite you could either backup/restore or grow the array and logical drive then boot off something like diskpart

ewwhite

right, I need to boot off of something else... in Linux land, I'd be on a rescue disk and fdisk.

tombull89

I'd probably use a Ubuntu or GParted live CD.

MDMarra

@ewwhite Why do you need to boot off of something else?

Chopper3

I've used GParted

ewwhite

12:57

C: drive is in use... can't make the change while the drive is mounted, can I?

MDMarra

OOh wait you can't extend a system partition in C: on 2003

You can on non-legacy operating systems.

tombull89

Does it have to be online? Or can you take the server down?

ewwhite

I can take it down

produce company.... who needs fruit deliveries!?!?

it's their file server

in 2013... running Windows 2003...

MDMarra

Just migrate them to a new file server

ewwhite

The domain controller is on a server that predates Windows 2003.

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tombull89

12:58

What sort of RAID config? I must admit I've never used GParted on a server.

MDMarra

@ewwhite The singular DC?

ewwhite

yet I just installed $40k of Fusion-io in their Linux server.

@MDMarra yes, I need your help on this one.

@MDMarra the singular DC took 22 minutes to reboot...

MDMarra

@ewwhite sounds like it

Cole

NT4!

tombull89

22 minutes to reboot, what's it running on? a toaster?

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MDMarra

13:01

So screw your crappy servers, how about them Red Sox/Patriots last night!

ewwhite

Spot the DC!!

Cole

@tombull89 toasterdc.local

@MDMarra YEAH BUDDY!

ewwhite

Adjacent to the AS400... above the barracudas...

Cole

@ewwhite I don't see a toaster.

MDMarra

Is it one of the Compaq proliants?

Cole

13:04

Yeah I was gonna say

ewwhite

behind the Gen8 ProLiant with Fusion-io cards

Cole

that's an old box

ewwhite

@MDMarra Yes, the older Pentium III Compaq ProLiant.

Cole

Dude, take that thing out back and put it out of it's misery with a sledge hammer.

tombull89

We have a Compaq Proliant in the server room. ML 350 G2 I think. In storage.

MDMarra

13:04

COPPERMINE 4 LIFE!

ewwhite

the one with non hot-swap SCSI disk...(singular)

these are G1's

the G6 ProLiants at the top of the rack have laptop hard disks in them!!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite you know old hardware right?

RILOE II, WTF is it?

it keeps popping up in iLO documentation, but I've never seen one

MDMarra

Are they 900 MHz copper mines? I remember being so stoked breaking the 1GHz barrier overclocking those.

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker Yeah, I installed many RILOE and RILOE II cards.

@MDMarra 900MHz, yes.

@DennisKaarsemaker I'll show you a fun photo...

MDMarra

@DennisKaarsemaker drop the leading R and trailing E

Dennis Kaarsemaker

13:06

@ewwhite is it basically the precursor to ilo?

mfinni

@DennisKaarsemaker Exactly correct

HP Integrated Lights-Out

Integrated Lights-Out, or iLO, is an embedded server management technology exclusive to Hewlett-Packard but similar in functionality to the Lights out management (LOM) technology of other vendors, for example Sun/Oracle's ILOM, Dell DRAC and the IBM Remote Supervisor Adapter. iLO is useful as an out-of-band management technology. The physical connection is an Ethernet port that can be found on most Proliant servers of the 300 and above series. Features iLO makes it possible to perform activities on an HP server from a remote location. The iLO card has a separate network connection (an...

Dennis Kaarsemaker

k, then I will stop caring about it

hah, that wikipage links to my software \o/

tombull89

HP got a bit ahead of themselves, I think.

Firmware: LoM. Version: 2.22 (1 Jan 3000).

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker Heh... it was a card and fit into special PCI slots.

the card had a monitor port, PS/2 dongle and ethernet...

as well as a ribbon cable that attached to the motherboard.

for some of my servers, I even had a fucking jumper cable that I needed to attach to the power switch...

tombull89

Jesus, what's that? 14U?

ewwhite

13:11

since the RILOE had an external power brick, this allowed remote control of server power

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@tombull89 looks like 8

ewwhite

Yes, 14U

Dennis Kaarsemaker

oh wow

ewwhite

Compaq ML750... rare

8 x 900MHz Pentium III CPUs.

I installed maybe four of them...

21 SCSI drive bays (why?)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

what's the power usage of that beast?

ewwhite

13:13

Just three (1400W? ) power supplies

Chopper3

is it a US holiday today?

ewwhite

@Chopper3 yes :(

Chopper3

which one?

it's not turkeytime I know that

ewwhite

2 hours ago, by ewwhite

Did someone say Columbus Day??!?

tombull89

Eight pentium 3s. Ooh baby.

ewwhite

13:15

This particular client was paranoid about downtime...

Chopper3

I've had two thanksgivings in the US - one was lovely, one less so stuck in a hotel in Houston

@ewwhite ah - sorry, is that a big deal over there or just one of those ones people take off but don't really celebrate?

ewwhite

@Chopper3 no big deal... just creepy

MDMarra

@Chopper3 School is closed, generally

Chopper3

creepy?

MDMarra

But other than that, people with real jobs work

Nathan C

13:17

@ewwhite Hook up ALL the UPS!

ewwhite

@Chopper3 see my link above

Nathan C

If they were that paranoid they should have just gotten a backup generator...

ewwhite

@NathanC boom!

tombull89

@NathanC damn I didn't realise the big white ones were UPS compenets

Nathan C

Ours is in-line natural gas and kicks on within 3 seconds.

ewwhite

13:18

@tombull89 they are just the battery units for the UPS units stacked on top

I've installed way too many of those, too...

there are car batteries inside.

Scott Pack

@MDMarra Sorry, wife's car wouldn't start. Also, rather cold outside.

ewwhite

MDMarra

@ScottPack Apology accepted but dont let it happen again

Chopper3

wow - serverfault.com/a/545839/1435 - confused question and then I'd added a confused answer - really not my best, will edit

Scott Pack

@MDMarra I had someone ask me about disabling Windows search on a server instance, I can't remember if it was 2k3 or 2008. From what I can tell disabling that wouldn't be any big deal, but are there any weirdnesses that the indexer server gets used for that I need to know about?

MDMarra

13:20

There's not a lot of reason to have it enabled on a Windows server unless you're working on it all the time and searching (bad)

It's even recommended to not enable it on large file servers for performance reasons (theres a separate index service for file servers)

Scott Pack

Ok good, that was my feeling.

It is enabled by default, so my concern was that something deep in the bowels of the system used it internally.

ewwhite

@ScottPack then you could use one of these batteries...

Nathan C

@ewwhite Damn...how long did all those batteries last? lol

Scott Pack

@ewwhite Couldn't hurt.

Nathan C

I can't imagine how much power draw those things have when charging

MDMarra

13:22

@ScottPack Well, when you click the start menu and start typing in 2008/vista and later, all of that instant-result goodness for launching programs is from the search service

But if you can live without that, it shouldnt actually break anything

Scott Pack

@MDMarra After several minutes of charging it still wouldn't start. So either the battery in my Fit isn't up to jumping her Rav4 or the battery was so dead that it was going to take a rather long time to charge it up to useful. So she's taking my car and will stop by the dealership. Her battery is still under warranty.

@MDMarra Cool beans. I desperately hope the sysadmins can live without that.

MDMarra

I had a battery die in my honda 6 months after I bought it new off the lot

They hooked the in-dash GPS up wrong and it was constantly sipping at the battery

idiots

Scott Pack

Nice

mfinni

@DennisKaarsemaker This? people.freebsd.org/~jcagle/#ilo

asma

anyone can answer about load test through JMeter?

Cole

13:24

@MDMarra doh.

What do you drive again?

asma

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Q: Continuous hits to the server with Jmeter

I have 100 threads in JMeter which I want to hit a server 12 times in a loop. But each time 100 threads will run and pause for 5 seconds and then resume hitting the servers for next 100 times.

load load-testing jmeter

Cole

My rental car right now is a 2012 Honda Civic

ewwhite

@NathanC 9 hours.

MDMarra

@Cole 2011 Civic EXL (the L stands for leather. Not bragging or anything)

Nathan C

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Q: Diskstation backup tasks being deleted?

We use a diskstation as a backup destination for most of the servers on our network. Daily, these backups are sent to an external hard drive using the backup and restore tool. Drives are swapped each day. We have two backups for user data and mail data that are working properly so far. However, ...

backup synology

Scott Pack

13:25

@MDMarra She keeps the GPS plugged into the power port all the time, but that's on accessory power. She leaves her lights in the on position all the time, (no daytime runners) but they turn off with the key.

Nathan C

@ewwhite For all the money spent on batteries they could've easily gotten a natural gas or diesel generator...

Cole

@MDMarra the 2012 Civic (I think this is a pretty basic one) is pretty peppy - but I miss my Mazda3 :(

Scott Pack

@MDMarra So I don't really now. This battery is from July. Hopefully it was a dud and last night was just the chilly night that killed it.

MDMarra

ya

tombull89

@asma You asked that question two minutes ago. Give it some time to get views before dropping in unannouced and posting the question, yeah?

Scott Pack

13:27

@MDMarra I'm now thinking of buying one of those AC powered quick boost charging things. This is the first time we've not both had sedans, and there's an actual real difference in engine.

ewwhite

@NathanC I sold those monsters for $600 each... I think generator wasn't possible due to a business park restriction.

Nathan C

@ScottPack I've left my interior lights on more than once and I have an inverter constantly connected that stays on all the time...and I haven't had issues in over a year..so probably a dud battery.

asma

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Q: Continuous hits to the server with Jmeter

I have 100 threads in JMeter which I want to hit a server 12 times in a loop. But each time 100 threads will run and pause for 5 seconds and then resume hitting the servers for next 100 times.

load load-testing jmeter

Danila Ladner

Morning .

MDMarra

@ScottPack I've got one in my trunk that's also an air compressor and radio

Can't vouch for it though, as I've never ever used it

Scott Pack

13:28

@NathanC That's my hope. The annoying thing is that it's 4 months old, from the dealership, and has an 84 month warranty.

tombull89

That's exactly what I said not to do...

Nathan C

@ScottPack Yeah. When I first bought the car the battery was dead when I went to test drive it lol. The dealer replaced the battery for me.

Cole

I think I found a tailor finally.

Scott Pack

@MDMarra I mean, half of it is how nice it would be to charge the battery without having to rely on another car. The other half would be a visual indicator of how much charge it has.

@Cole Good man.

mfinni

@Chopper3 Mandar has had some interesting questions

Cole

13:29

@ScottPack friend I was hanging out with last night told me about them. She said they matched the thread/pattern to a T.

That you can't even tell that it was altered

Scott Pack

@ewwhite I wish I had pictures handy, but not too long ago I saw a site that had 30U worth of APC rack mount UPSes. Of that there were 6x1U servers installed and only 2 were powered on.

ewwhite

@ScottPack I see that crap a lot... People shouldn't buy rackmount batteries.

Scott Pack

@Cole Excellent. Word of warning, a good tailor will damn near grope you.

Nathan C

@ewwhite Ah, that would do it. In that case if those servers were that crucial it would've been worth the colo costs.

Cole

@ScottPack yeah I'll...wear a packer that day LOL

Otherwise he's gonna be like "is...is that a vagina?"

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ewwhite

13:31

My wife is meeting the Stanley Cup at work today.

Scott Pack

@Cole I wouldn't, unless you really want to wear one normally. Otherwise the fit could be all wrong.

tombull89

@ewwhite we have rackmount UPS's and battries

D:

Cole

@ScottPack I normally dont

ewwhite

@tombull89 I think I'm spoiled by colocation facilities.

Scott Pack

@Cole Unless it makes you really uncomfortable I'd probably just own up and try to discretely mention it. If there's one thing you can count on a good tailor to be it's discrete.

Danila Ladner

13:33

@ewwhite how come?

Stanley Cup is coming?

ewwhite

@DanilaLadner It makes tours around Chicago.

and her boss is surprising the staff with the Stanley Cup at the office this morning.

Danila Ladner

Cool stuff.

Scott Pack

@ewwhite We have gobs of them, but we also have nearly 200 buildings, each with at least one closet in them with equipment. Normally only a single telco rack with some switching equipment. We use the UPSes to rid us through blips, not to keep us going .

TheCleaner

@Chopper3 - I don't think you'll get very far helping this guy out:

Mandar Khire, Pune, India

3 3

networking centos drbd heartbeat mysql switch network-topology

Nathan C

Loading a computer to see if it'll shut off from overheating...

TheCleaner

13:35

his other questions are pretty odd as well.

@NathanC ask @tombull89 about that...errr...I think it was him that lost a rack of servers last week due to no a/c

Nathan C

Disk cleanup seems to be doing the trick load-wise lol

Cole

@ScottPack he may not even notice

Scott Pack

@Cole Maybe not. Depending on exactly how much tailoring is going on it's hard to tell.

Cole

@ScottPack just hemming

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@mfinni no, this

Cole

13:37

I measured my inseam... 27" -_-

Mr. Tiny Legs over here.

Iain

@TheCleaner that OP is trying to get around some organisational issues

mfinni

@DennisKaarsemaker Aha.

Scott Pack

@Cole Inseam is such a fucking bogus measure.

@Cole I probably had 3-4 different inseams in my closet because the rise is different based on the pants.

Cole

@ScottPack ah

Scott Pack

@Cole The outseam, however, is the same on every single fucking one of them.

Cole

13:38

I think it'll be around 28" for the outseam

29"L is too long

Nathan C

@TheCleaner Well, this particular computer is a desktop that sits on the factory floor and is used in packaging

dust galore

Scott Pack

@Cole I would hope you have more than a 1" rise. Otherwise you'll need to be waxing just to put on pants.

Nathan C

I think getting all the dust out fixed it well enough. We'll find out.

TheCleaner

@Iain yeah, I figured. But hoping to flex his PhD muscles could get him in trouble. Better like you said to get with the people that control the infrastructure.

Cole

@ScottPack I guess I'll find out soon

TheCleaner

13:41

@NathanC samokleykin.com

Nathan C

@TheCleaner Ah, that would work. We're actually moving away from physical desktops for an embedded solution (as in, terminals) so we don't have to worry about mechanical breakdown

Iain

@TheCleaner after answering his question yesterday as soon as I saw that I thought hackery

TheCleaner

@NathanC good choice. I actually love Jack PC myself: chippc.com/products/jack-pc-lxj

Cole

Why does hair on one side of my face grow faster/more? Is this normal!?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Cole no, it means one half of your face is dying

Cole

13:47

DAMMIT

Dennis Kaarsemaker

don't worry, you can fix that by shaving your facial hair into a goatee and wearing a top hat

Cole

Oh great, I have a goatee - just need a top hat!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

oh, if you already have a goatee, it's worse.

You'll need to go for pinstripe moustache and soul patch

Cole

DAMMIT

Dennis Kaarsemaker

and maybe a beret

TheCleaner

13:51

@Cole Is that side facing the window all day long? Maybe you are part plant.

Cole

@TheCleaner nope, and I sleep on my right side (where it grows faster/more)

TheCleaner

gravity!

Cole

My right sideburn will actually grow in, and quickly. Left side is like "nah bro"

Nathan C

@TheCleaner We're gonna be using Pis

They're a lot cheaper than most terminals lol

TheCleaner

@NathanC you've been influenced by the Comms Room too much. :)

tombull89

13:58

@TheCleaner nope not me

TheCleaner

I'm sure with viral vids most have seen the whole pyschic coffee shop vid. That thing is crazy, but I kept thinking that around here at least 2 concealed carry folks would've shot the lady.

Dan

Soo, I'm on a building site at the minute

One of the guys just turned up iwth a live, injured Dove that he found outside. He's put it in a box and I really don't know how I feel about it

Dennis Kaarsemaker

call RSPCA and have them pick it up?

TheCleaner

@Dan is it dove season? They're pretty small and not that tasty tbh.

Cole

@TheCleaner wat

tombull89

14:07

@Cole The "Carrie" promo?

Scott Pack

@Dan And by "dove" you mean "flea ridden pigeon"

TheCleaner

►

tombull89

^^

TheCleaner

I'm saying the screaming Carrie lady would have been shot around here most likely.

Dan

@ScottPack Christ knows - he says it's a Dove. It is very white but I only glanced briefly. It's flappign around under my desk now

Scott Pack

14:08

@Dan You realize that a dove is just a white pigeon, right?

Dan

@ScottPack No, I did not

Scott Pack

@Dan Think about that the next time people go on and on about doves.

Cole

That's awesome lol

Danila Ladner

pigeons are nasty birds

Dan

They are

Cole

14:10

Pigeons are rats with wings

tombull89

Seagulls are worse

Cole

Seriously.

OMG IM SO BORED

Scott Pack

@tombull89 You know the only thing worse than a seagull?

tombull89

@Cole hover.ie?

Scott Pack

@tombull89 A Flock of Seagulls.

tombull89

14:10

@ScottPack Two seagulls?

close enough.

Cole

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Q: Growing a hardware RAID-10 array

I am interested how to grow a RAID 10 array on Windows SBS 2011 machine? Basically I have added two additional disks, expanded array and now I want to grow my c: filesystem to take advantage of new space? Thanks

raid windows-sbs-2011 raid10

Iain

@ScottPack I never liked them

Nathan C

@tombull89 Flying sea rats!

Cole

In other news, FLUFFY COW!

tombull89

@Cole such as is this software or hardware RAID it's...in the title?

Cole

14:15

derp

I'm not awake

Haven't really slept in 4 days

maybe 5-6 hours of sleep over 4 days

faker

I'm going insane here, 2 more weeks! I cannot wait until that consultant finally leaves

Cole

@tombull89 I don't think that controller even supports RAID10

tombull89

@Cole I was wondering what he had currently.

ewwhite

On a phone interview...

sleeepy

Journeyman Geek

@Cole: I see your fluffy cow and raise you a....

Cole

14:18

@tombull89 I'm not sure if he's already moved to RAID 10 or wants too

Journeyman Geek

faker

he talks to people like he'll stay for another year.
He just went into a meeting without anyone else of our ops team knowing about it to get another department to use our newsletter sending infrastructure...

Journeyman Geek

Giant. Hairy. Ass.

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tombull89

@Cole I think he's got a RAID1 at the moment and wants to move to a RAID10.

Cole

@tombull89 ah it does support RAID10

tombull89

14:20

What's the difference between 410 and 410i? Integrated into the motherboard rather than a card?

ewwhite

Yes.

same controller

Cole

Can you even convert from RAID1 to RAID10 without formatting?

tombull89

I'm gonna go with "no" but I'll defer to our HP Wizards.

Cole

His question is worded weird though.

Basically I have added two additional disks, expanded array and now I want to grow my c: filesystem to take advantage of new space?

ewwhite

Yes, you can

Cole

14:25

So has he already converted to RAID10 and just needs extend C:\

ewwhite

dude has the new space

he just needs to grow his C: partition to take advantage of the new space.

tombull89

10 mins ago, by Cole

derp

my turn

Cole

MY BRAIN ISN'T WORKING

Well, I've never used SBS 2011

tombull89

SBS is the only Windows Server OS i've not looked at. Worth it?

Dan

No.

Cole

14:27

Never.

Dan

Last person who told me SBS was great also told me that "Microsoft would stop selling Windows Server soon, and push everyone to Azure"

Tanner

@Dan hah

tombull89

okaydoke.

Dan

@tombull89 On a serious note - it has such a small remit that it's not worth it. If you come accross it, you'll learn quick enough - you just need to be aware of the pitfalls (I.e., only one on a domain etc)

ewwhite

TheCleaner

14:34

@tombull89 The need is there for very small companies that want to self administer a small Windows shop. But I point those shops to a small NAS, workgroup setup with Office 365 now.

Chopper3

@ewwhite I've touched that

ewwhite

Oh yeah.. you're a hockey fan.

My people don't get down with that.

MDMarra

Grant Fuhr

Grant Scott Fuhr (born September 28, 1962) is a Canadian former ice hockey goaltender in the National Hockey League and former goaltending coach for the Phoenix Coyotes. In 2003, he was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame. Fuhr was born to one black parent and one white parent but was adopted as a baby by a white family and raised in Spruce Grove, Alberta. Edmonton Oilers (1981–1991) In 1979, at the age of seventeen, Fuhr joined the Victoria Cougars of the WHL. After two stellar seasons in Victoria, which included the league championship and a trip to the Memorial Cup in 1981, Fuhr was ...

Nathan C

imgur.com/gallery/H66ba

Chopper3

haha - yeah I touched it one time the devils won it

ewwhite

14:52

Hmmm, not the best interview.

Scott Pack

@Chopper3 What did you touch it with?

Nathan C

Alzheimer's awareness walk. :P

ewwhite

Grrrr... hate seeing this in history

cat access_log|grep 67.236.154.170

Scott Pack

I know. They really should escape those periods or tell grep that it's a fixed string.

ewwhite

Grrr... no need to cat the file first.

Scott Pack

14:56

No need to whine about it either.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I hate people who whine about cat

ewwhite

File was 2GB

Dennis Kaarsemaker

And I don't mean the wesleycat

He deserves whining

Scott Pack

@DennisKaarsemaker You and me both.

@ewwhite So it wasted some extra time on that guy's part. It's cool, there are plenty of PIDs where that one came from.

ewwhite

Mayyybe

Scott Pack

14:59

If you run out of PIDs because someone ran cat a few times then you have much bigger problems.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ewwhite, you're not in HFT anymore. LEAVE THE CAT ALONE!

Out here in the real world nobody cares about wasting 3 cpu cycles on cat

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