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06:21
does anyone else feel like their time is being wasted and goodwill is being tested with the review audits?
@FalconMomot I quit //review because of the audits
@FalconMomot: hell yes
and tis a solution really designed for SO's issues more than anything else, I suspect
but i don't like the new help pages either
@JourneymanGeek essentially yes but there was apparently a network wide need for them (though it does feel like being tarred with the same brush)
@Iain: its supposed to compartmentalize the old faq page - the problem is without per page links, its a lot harder to use. I can't go - just read faq
I have to go find the link and manually create the link. For someone who wants to take the effort to comment on why something is closed, precisely, its a PITA
@JourneymanGeek I responded to the /review comment ;)
06:35
you can do that?
er...
where? ;p
6 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
and tis a solution really designed for SO's issues more than anything else, I suspect
is what I responded to
ahh ;p
@Iain: would make sense, at least to suspend review audits at a certain level
I mean, if you went through 200 reviews with no failed audits, something must be right
I failed 2 because I clicked close to why/how many close votes the question had and I forgot I was in /review
lol
I stared at one for 5 minutes
decided it was borderline, and gave it the benefit of the doubt
One I was going to close then repoen because I couldn't believe someone had v-t-c it. I think they jump the gun on when they tell you off too, should be when you actually v-t-c it
06:45
headesk
I think I'm having a river of shit day on SU
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Q: Is there a way to identify what data is passing between systems?

PeanutsMonkeyAs part of a migration of over 100 systems, I need to identify what data is passing between systems. There is no known documentation and aside from questioning the users of the systems of how information is created, where it is stored, where it is being used I would like to be able to identify a ...

I can't think of any way this migration will go well.
06:57
crappy IT staff who don't understand concepts in IT are doomed.
their road is much longer than one good answer.
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Q: Opening in Checkpoint firewall

h_k_8_6I have a server With adress 80.39.X.X that I want to have Access to another server range in my network 10.1.16.0/24. They are both in my network, behind a Checkpoint firewall. When I try to Reach this server from one of the others, I get a drop on a rule in the firewall that we have set This stat...

A friend always says he pictures his Company's dev office like a bunch of monkeys with flamethrowers, this one was given a CheckPoint
Not precisely cheap gear
07:39
It's recruitment season again I guess
@DennisKaarsemaker with you being the recruiter, I guess
Google, facebook, spotify and 2 local ones all contacted me in the same 10 days
well, yes, I'm still trying to find people too
all the summer slaves students are going away.
07:43
but it's amazing how many recruiters find my outdated linkedin profile and collection of hacks on github interesting
"Hey, we see you touched python and linux. You must be awesome!"
Which is of course true :)
07:54
@DennisKaarsemaker is it mandatory to speak dutch in order to work in, say, Amsterdamm?
08:10
I've had friends that didn't, but they were not working there legally.
they got by.
also, I can't believe I've never paid attention to POSIX ACLs at all except to answer a question just now.
I wonder what you expect to happen if, for instance, the tmux session you attach to happens to be running vi. — Falcon Momot 27 secs ago
@FalconMomot problem with ACLs is they don't have inheritance
@dawud they have very limited inheritance.
in that the default ACL on a directory gets inherited by new children in the absence of specified permissions in some category.
Dan
Dan
@DennisKaarsemaker I love when I get direct e-mails with big huge pre-requisities that I simply don't have and don't appear anywhere in my CV, LinkedIn profile or elsewhere
Anyone done Sysprep on Windows 7 with multiple language packs?
08:32
@Dan Lol, I know... sometimes I get emails for postings that want more years of experience in some specific thing than I have spent in the world.
Dan
Dan
08:42
@FalconMomot Mind you - I saw the classic last week. Thought I'd have a peruse and found a company who wanted someone with experience with a product that Citrix only released a few weeks back. Uh yeah, good luck then.
lol
it's a pity that most HR people still seem to believe IT experience can be measured in years.
Dan
Dan
@FalconMomot It's a pity that most HR people exist.
I've studied HR >.>
I know all about expectancy theory and equity and behaviourism and extinction and survivor guilt and...
@FalconMomot: all HR theory can be derived from dog training.
;p
@dawud nope. We require only english and many of the bigger companies do likewise.
@Dan I rarely get those, though one of the local ones I mentioned wanted obstacle, vmware and java experience (which I don't have and don't want)
08:47
@JourneymanGeek it's surprisingly close actually
because so much of it relies on psychological conditioning essentially
well
really 90% of HR management is applied psychology
the other 10% is recruitment and general business.
actually made those modules easier. ;p
Dan
Dan
@FalconMomot I'm sorry to hear that ;)
bah
the only reason I stopped for a bit was I had a sudden need to do a lot of travelling and I couldn't deal with my horrid stats prof.
I'm going to take a year of open studies at another local university (we have 3 operating in the city), transfer the stats in as a prerequisite even if it extends my graduate b. comm. by one course, and continue.
08:56
suprisingly I got the one stats professor who could teach hopeless cases
(that's how bad the stats prof was)
well near hopeless cases, since one guy failed.
worst toy in history
@dawud paging @Wesley. @Wesley to the poopchute please...
09:27
@DennisKaarsemaker I can't read the full ad...
It will run only the bash — astropanic 1 hour ago
sigh
see
I point these things out because the people I know in real life are smart enough to then think "oh! this is actually an architecture problem and we need to rethink our approach!"
@DennisKaarsemaker here you go...
09:42
oh, we're spamming that a lot now, eh
we're having a hard time filling that specific position
we basically want someone who knows mysql at large scale (or other databases and shows willingness to learn mysql and talent to do so), who can both think strategically about business growth (and its effect on systems) and debug hard database problems
10:06
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Q: Finding a shut down server.

JJJJNRI recently started in a company that hasn't done some proper inventory on the server infra, now one of our servers has shut down and we cannot find it! dont even know if its a VM or a box. Is there anyway to find a server that shut itself down, arp tables don't show anything as its gone over 12...

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son just got his AS level results - got ABBB, he'd wanted AABB but he's not too disappointed
@JourneymanGeek I'd go for a full nmap scan and basic fingerprinting to see what servers show up, but that Q sounds awful...
@dawud: He dosen't even know what he's looking for ;p
then [servers known] - [servers up] ~= [server not known] + [servers down]
or something
@dawud: sounds like servers known might be an unknown.
10:14
ha!
Honestly, thats the true horror here
damn I am tired.
@FalconMomot are you sunbathing? You know you shouldn't, Darkstars can handle that.
haha. I don't actually go out in the light.
I'm a hacker for god's sake
(but when I do go outside, it's on rollerskates or a skateboard)
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Q: Using wget\curl with prxoy list and multiple threads in bash script

user184600What i am trying to do is to make a bash script on Linux, the target of the script is to take a list of url's and to download them. So i wrote a script and its works but my problem is that all the url's are come from the same website so i made a sleep for 5 min after each url and it will take a l...

this Q is
10:20
What is the purpose of this? — Falcon Momot 21 secs ago
Any suggestions for conferences to attend? I complained about the lack of level 400 content courses they usually send me on, and the reply was "Find a conference with interesting topics and we might just send you"
context?
We have a bi-monthly feeback conversation at the workplace
my manager asked me if I had anything to complain about or any wishes
10:31
lol. "level 400 content course" is meaningless without context.
and what conferences might be interesting depends on your field.
I mean, for me, I'd say "send me to defcon or recon or infiltrate"
:D
Level 400 as in Microsoft terminology ... in-depth material
I'd love to go to defcon, but I'm not sure I can justify it
@MathiasR.Jessen Microsoft Management Summit
more 400 sessions than you can follow
or TechEd for that matter, but it much much bigger and has 100-400 plus birds-of-a-feather etc
@pauska I thought about MMS, some of my colleagues go every year as well... but isn't that mostly just System Center stuff?
10:49
@MathiasR.Jessen everything that relates to managing microsoft products really
And yes, SC is a big part of that
if you want to be efficient, anyway.
@Chopper3 lol
11:34
@Chopper3 "I've got a great idea, but I don't have any money, talent or direction, what do you recommend?"
@Chopper3 ... wow. there are no words.
Good morning
yo man what up?
I feel like I may know the answer to this already but....
Out in the UK they need to have a folder that users can create subfolders and rename them, and also that users can create a file in there and rename it OR copy a file into that folder/subfolder. However, once the file is in there it cannot be modified or deleted and becomes read only.
They're trying to do this with NTFS permissions - my brain is telling me this would need to be a 3rd party app/or something like WORM on the storage side
I seem to recall that, if you look at the advanced ACL panel, there are separate permissions for create, modify, and delete?
11:49
He said" I've tried removing the Modify permissions but that does not work because when you are copying a file in there it creates a .tmp file first and then needs to delete that .tmp file. If there are no Delete permissions then it cannot remove the .tmp file"
sucks to be him then.
you can't give permissions to delete only .tmp files.
Sucks to be me then, since I'll have to figure this out.
NTFS file permissions probably won't be the solution to whatever it is you come up with.
That's what I'm thinking.
Since this is for auditing purposes (FDA/ISO/etc) - there has to be a solution - but I don't think it's something Windows has built in.
aah, that's why the inane requirement.
it's not.
11:52
Well, we make some medical equipment so :)
well
it is
but it's not in this particular case, because you need to be able to delete files, but only some files
if you could change the copying of files into there so that it doesn't depend on doing that, happiness would ensue.
Indeed.
or, if you could change it so that it writes the temporary files into a different folder and then moves them on the server once the copy is done
the application just doesn't seem designed for writing data into a WORM system :)
well, the sun is rising; time to go to bed, I think.
12:06
@cole You want a write-once drop-box with NTFS?
There's a couple Qs on SF that may be what you want, one moment...
@jscott appears that's what they're looking for
^ me in my own apartment
@NathanC LOL
@Cole I finally got one. Move in on the 1st. :p
One, maybe similar:
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A: How to let the users can edit in a shared folder but not let them to delete files inside

sysadmin1138This is entirely possible with NTFS rights, but it is far from a standard configuration. We had to do something similar, create drop-boxes: directories where students could copy in files, but couldn't delete them once there, or see any other directories. Doable with some custom work. The key is ...

Having some trouble with my Google-fu this morning.
12:13
@jscott thx.
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Q: Data permission: what if adding only write permision to a file?

sabisabiWhat if a user got only write access to a file? Is he able to read the file or only to "write"? But if you can write...you can also read, so this doesnt make sense or? The question is for unix-like system also for windows system, Im sure there is a difference right? Thank you

Need to restrict them from Modify too
I was looking at this, but it sucks
The issue is the *.tmp files Word/Excel/etc create when they're copied
Oh wait nevermind - that was addresses there.
Yeah, create the doc outside, then drop it in.
It's unlikely the directory could be used as a day-to-day "work area". It would have to be an extra step in the workflow to drop the files in.
12:17
Hm true
Else, you're back to a 3rd part document management system with checkins/commits/whatever.
@jscott that's my thought.
Hm
A versioning tool may actually provide more granular control and auditing.
@jscott that's my thought too.
He's saying when they copy the Office file into the folder it's creating a temp file. I thought that was only on save.
LIES
12:37
I smell...a lie
;p
@Cole Oh yeah, remember that girl I was talking about before that friendzoned me after like 9 months? We're dating now. >.>
Sweet!
I hear 9 months is the typical gestation period
Jaw is still sore from getting a filling last night
god I hope that's literal and not a euphemism
12:40
Was the molar on the left side (top) all the way in the back.
I know that feel. I have another appointment in less than two weeks.
2 to do on the 29th, right bottom - then 2 more on the left bottom. He wanted to give my jaw a break because this one was pretty bad.
i don't know how many more i have, but it's a few x_x
shudders
heh, so one of our XP machines failed (hard drive). I got another hard drive for it and booted it up ...it has the novell client on it.
Back when the company was on NT...
12:44
Netware? Lawdy lawd
@NathanC D:
@NathanC so girlfriend/exgirlfriend whatever the hell she is.... texts me at yesterday to tell me to have a nice day and to tell my friend she said hi. Then nothing after that. wtf.
@Cole ...women are confusing.
So. Confusing.
I just said "Thanks we went to the zoo"
Urg. Why am I doing tickets.
Boredom?
No - because no one else is.
12:48
I started reading this comic ...it's sucked a few hours out of the work day when i was bored/waiting for stuff to install :p
No windows, I don't care if there are unused desktop icons. GO AWAY! D:
morning
The way we're supposed to be doing it is, the three people on call should be doing 2 hr shifts. (8-10, 10-12,1-3, 3-430) Not that they cant work on projects or anything else - but they're supposed to be responsible for watching tickets in that two hour period.
Ah...and they're not eh?
I was first on call last week - so I'm not even on call.
@Basil Morning.
12:51
Funny thing - I got a call every night but one last week when I was on call. No after hours calls this week. The ones I got could have waited till the morning, but they still called me - but same types of tickets are coming in this week - and no phone calls to the on call people. wtf.
blah meeting
You know what I hate?
RAID calculation questions!!
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Q: How should I calculate IOps for RAID50 & RAID60?

Stefan LasiewskiI'm investigating some 4TB database systems and I'm comparing differences between RAID-10 & RAID-50. I know how to calculate the IOPS for common RAID levels like RAID-1, RAID-5 & RAID-10. However, I am unsure how to calculate IOPS for RAID-50 & RAID-60 systems, specifically with respect to the R...

@ewwhite What's wrong with that?
Well, I feel like there's not enough context... If DAS, only certain hardware solutions even give the option for RAID50/60... If he's using software RAID, there's a whole different set of issues. If using a large number of disks, there are other design elements at play (SAS oversubscription, cabling, controller type)... There's always the caching aspect... etc, etc...
@ewwhite A lot of that stuff takes what he's trying to calculate and then negates it. He's trying to see looking at disk only what the raw performance should be
Right. Why?
Academic exercise?
13:06
No, he's probably getting the disks themselves as the bottleneck
As a storage engineer, you factor in the real-world variables, too, right?
yes, but I design them so that the disks are always the bottleneck
@Basil How has solid state changed your work?
@ewwhite It's made my mainframe a little faster. We don't need it for any of the open systems platforms yet, but when we start adding more of it, it'll increase performance on those workloads too
We have a very high locality of reference on the most important things, so our 700GB cache already provides a pretty blazing speed as measured by the apps
Interesting... are your main platforms HDS and Netapp?
13:09
our only ones are.
Does EMC suck? :)
Depends on who you ask. I wouldn't use them for NAS on the VNX...
but I have to so I do
(Sorry, EMC is screwing us badly)
the VMAX is a beast, easily as good or better as any HDS or IBM offering
but they were screwing around in the rfp so we kicked them out
Our Isilon are crashing... (their fault). Our VNX units need to be rebuilt... (our fault)
13:11
Isilon is a nice idea, but it's too new to be trusted with real critical prod
It scales better than netapp, but if you can't use a netapp to do the job, you are almost better building your own zfssomething than going with something like isilon
Hey you know vmware, right?
Do you use netapp fc storage for any vmware servers?
Not anymore, but.... oh, maybe it one site.
I have netapp block at one facility
it may be iSCSI.
I'm trying to find documentation about what vmware settings the netapp host kit modifies. I know I need to mess with the io timeouts if I want to be able to keep my VMs running through a cf takeover, but I can't find anything that's not about nfs...
other than best practice guides for NFS, I haven't seen any netapp specific tuning
we certainly didn't do anything special for block other than...
13:15
there is one for fc, I know it... I think I saw a reference to it while looking up nfs timeouts on aix, but I didn't save it
setting round-robin multipath and lowering the # of IO operations VMware uses before switching paths
default is 1000... modified it to 1
We did a cf takeover and it hosed SAP's NFS jobs
Now I'm worried that a cf takeover on the boxes that are serving ESX might cause worse problems
I know a path or switch failure is instant, that's really the least of my worries though
cf takeovers can take minutes
Maybe I'll ask a question! I haven't done that in a while...
do it!
13:29
Weird... why is the vmware tag not allowed?
And why doesn't it tell me why it's now allowed?
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Q: VMWare ESX and guest settings for Netapp cluster failover

BasilIf I'm running VMWare 5.x on FC disks presented from a Netapp running ontap 8.x in 7 mode, what steps should I take to ensure that the VMs can withstand a worst possible case cluster node failover? HBA settings? ESX settings? Modifications to the VMs' settings? I know this is all handled with the...

@Basil VMware is a company, not a product. :)
@jscott esx, esxi, and vsphere are all the same as far as your storage admin is concerned ;)
arg our file server is so slow. Just for trying to change permissions on a folder.
Maybe because it's using 5.87GB of it's 6GB of memory -_-
13:44
@Cole It craves RAM!
MOAR RAM!
Oh. Oh wow. Do you happen to work in the produce industry? — MDMarra 11 hours ago
Can't focus on shit today

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