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19:00
I actually just had this question come up at work...
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A: VMWare/ESX Snapshots vs Libvirt snapshots vs LVM2 snapshots

Basil and if you delete a snapshot, they [the deltas] are deleted so either way you are left reading and writing only to the primary vmdk file again. If I understand it, deleting a snapshot without reverting to it will cause the delta file to be applied to the VMDK. Other than that, your explanat...

@MattBear @ChrisS I'm looking to maybe do Comcast business as a secondary pipe coming in and was curious how the speed level was. I have home internet and it is blazing fast, but their support sucks. I figure it would suck all the same with business but more curious of service levels in general
@Travis I dont really deal with the service end, but as far as I know we've never had a problem
@Travis The speeds are about the same, but the support on the business side is MUCH BETTER.
Works for me. Thanks
@Travis With one exception: On business they'll try to give you a piece of shit SMC "gateway" cable modem/router device. This thing is an utter piece of shit, and you should reject it.
19:04
@Travis Same with business - Excellent speed, crappy support on the off chance there's a problem.
Thanks @TheCleaner !
At least I can help someone other than my job, where I break ALL THE THINGS
I think my home modem is the SMC
@ewwhite - welcome mate...well worth the bounty
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This wasn't me...but I still laughed...
Hey guys? Have you heard? I'm a creative.
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19:11
@MichaelHampton - I liked my comment better.
@tombull89 no, but I have heard, about the word
everybodys heard, about the word
ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-bird-bird-bird, bird is the word
So, nobody here's been affected by the Network Solutions DDOS?
@ewwhite What Network Solutions DDOS?
@ewwhite yeah we were this morning. I posted about it here...go back to this morning's chat.
Google was down "some" as well.
@ewwhite we were.
19:13
@MichaelHampton The one that's taken down 10% of my clients... I moved most to Route53.
months ago
@ewwhite I haven't used Network Solutions since... 1997 or so?
Well, the CO office (who has a separate company site) was.
@ewwhite Nope.
@ewwhite Yeah, me.
Haven't used NetSol since... well since there were alternatives.
19:14
Maybe I should post a question about it...
@ewwhite Two clients use NetSol for DNS, one of the two for hosting (pukes)
"Mah website is down"
what's your question? It's a DNS issue most likely....if they still aren't resolving on netsol's DNS servers.
19:16
@TheCleaner "How can Network Solutions suck SO much and still be in business?"
@MDMarra Looks like he figured it out on his own
(OT: belongs on ToBigToFail.SE)
Looks like my dealership is down because of the DDoS on Network Solutions.
@voretaq7 I'm migrating my DNS from NetSol to TomTom's cell phones. Better uptime.
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@voretaq7 :) - already considering moving over to Route 53 but NetSol's been reliable overall.
19:22
Anyone have any experience with SYSPRO ERP?
@TheCleaner This is the third time I've had DNS availability issues with NetSol this year.
"Network Solutions says a hacking attack is causing service disruptions that are affecting its website customers."

HACK THE PLANET.
@WesleyDavid -- NETSOL REP: "3 times out of millions of DNS resolves. Pretty good!" :)
@TheCleaner -.-
@ewwhite Given Amazon's uptime track record, I dunno if I trust Route53 either...
@WesleyDavid DNS seems easier to make moar robust.
Do we really want to put DNS in my butt? I don't think so.
@ewwhite Yeah, but if it's still running on EC2's infrastructure...
Kinda like how ELB instances are EC2 small instances. So if you use an ELB to failover from one availability group to another, but EC2's zone is the problem, the ELB falls over and won't help you! BRILLIANT!!
19:31
@WesleyDavid exactly my concern.
The solution is one hosts file for the world updating nightly!
Apparently windows 7 has issues with .chm files ...so I have to extract them and view the files in a browser
?
help files right?
yeah
I opened one and it refused to display the actual pages
if they were made in a previous version like 2k3/xp you have to download the client I think
meh, extract->open works
incidentally it was 7-zip's help file ...and I extracted it with 7-zip
19:36
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Q: Opening a CHM file produces: "navigation to the webpage was canceled"

Eric LeschinskiI am trying to open a .chm file. I downloaded the source, extracted it, and double clicked on Waffle.chm and clicked "Open" but no matter what element in the chm file I click, I get the message: Navigation to the webpage was canceled. What you can try: Retype the address. What's going ...

@TheCleaner . . . CHM?
People still USE that?
more than you know...
@TheCleaner In my case, it's just a white box. No message period
But, "Unblock" did the trick anyway. :P
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Q: Exchange 2010 - Change "Conversation View" default setting in Outlook Web App

ewwhiteI'm converting an organization to Exchange from an older Linux-based Sendmail/Dovecot POP3 setup. In an attempt to ease the transition, I'd like to leverage Outlook Web App to help acclimate users to the concepts of server-based mail. One of the issues I've encountered in training is the default...

19:58
wow... I just proved my picture to be true
"why cant I connect to my new sql server, permissions.. all good, research the error messages, services are all running, everythings good..."
30 minutes later... lightbulb, windows firewall
dunce cap time =/
@ewwhite yeah it is the same in O365 too. It's a default setting in OWA, and unfortunately there's no such setting in the OWA Policies tabs/shell.
> FOAAS (Fuck Off As A Service) provides a modern, RESTful, scalable solution to the common problem of telling people to fuck off.
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A former boss wrote me about a Macbook Air wifi problem... ...Any ideas on fixes? I've looked around but the Mac forums are the worst and most polluted collection of uniformed newbies it is unbelievable. Thanks, Doug
n00bs!
N000000000b! N00000000000b in the dungeon! N000000000000000000000000000b!

Just thought you should know.
<LART>
Ass....that's all I see...ass!
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Q: how many ASs are in the world, how many routers are in an AS, and how many ASs an ISP has?

user138126how many autonomous systems are in the world's Internet? generally speaking, how many routers are in an AS? how many ASs an ISP has? for example, an AS covers 1 city or many cities? how many routers are usually deployed in a city from a big ISP?

I can't wait for NE to get out of beta so I can start sending them that crap. As punishment.
20:24
licks @freiheit
@WesleyDavid ewwww....
Don't you just hate it when bikeless people touch you? yech!
@freiheit steals @ewwhite's bike
Dammit dyslexia
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@WesleyDavid Aren't his bikes a bit small for you? Also, you realize that turning into a bike thief means we have to hang you by your gonads in a publicly visible space, right?
@MichaelHampton their stats are on a general downwards trend - may take some time if ever
@Iain Yeah, they seem to have trouble getting questions.
20:30
@MichaelHampton and everything which is topical there is topical here too
@Iain Yeah exactly. So I read that guy's blog who proposed the thing in the first place. He apparently just doesn't want to associate with "server people".
Not much to base a new SE site on.
@MichaelHampton Are server people more prone to violence and heavy drinking than network people?
@MichaelHampton one of the recent podcasts called it a spin off from SF which I thought was interesting given all the talk about topicality when it was proposed
@freiheit No, not really.
@Iain Nobody here proposed it be spun off!
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@MichaelHampton Good, he can sod off then
20:33
@MichaelHampton I know - but that's the way that David Fullerton was spinning it on the podcast - like I said - interesting
@Iain He's a bloody VP, he's not expected to actually know what the hell is going on.
@MichaelHampton he seems cluefull
@Iain They're SUPPOSED to SEEM clueful!
@MichaelHampton heh... I have to do my annual tour for starting friday for 18 days... Our VP is supposed to be taking over for me... It's gonna be interesting lol
@MattBear Oh boy! You'll have six months worth of shit to fix when you get back.
20:46
@MattBear what are you doing?
@MichaelHampton im more expacting daily calls... "Whats the admin password" "Why sharepoint no work" etc etc
@freiheit I'll chuck them on CL for spare cash.
@MattBear Leave the phone on your desk. Trust me on this.
@MattBear "In case you need to contact me, I've left a homing pigeon on my desk..."
Don't you just love when users say "I don't know anything about that computer crap" when you ask them a question. Apparently they are either "above" technology or they are proud of being tech illiterate.
20:48
@Tanner "In case you need to contact me, here is the number for the Red Cross, and my unit's information, they should be able to get a hold of me within a week in the event of an emergancy"
I'm going to start saying that to other professionals.
Doc: "Well it appears you have the flu"
Me: "In laymen's terms doc...I don't know anything about that medical crap!"
@TheCleaner That's what we're for though, because they have too much other things to worry about than tech. Granted we make more than most users do.
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@MattBear What are you doing? Sounds exciting
"Well, first you put your foot on the brake and shift out of park"... "I don't know anything about that car crap!"
in Root Access, Apr 22 at 17:12, by Tanner
"You're talking to a guy who doesn't do this." <--- excuse used by a user when he couldn't figure out what to put in the box that says "Name:"
20:50
@TheCleaner "your job requires the use of a computer, so your telling me that you dont know anything about your job?"
@Jacob - I mean the derogatory comments. I had one guy (though it made me laugh) say "You deal with the nerd shit, got it?"
@Dan fucking around near San Luis Obispo :p might go fly around in helicopters a bit
@MichaelHampton exactly
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@MattBear ...doing?
@TheCleaner Yeah, tech is below them... But then you look at the IT field unemployment rate and see how unimportant we are.
20:53
@Dan our annual training requirements, bunch of practice air assualt missions, STX lanes, etc
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@MattBear Sorry, that's what I'm getting at. Presumably this isn't part of your IT Role remit?
Or are you IT in the military and this is following the "soldier first" remit?
@Dan army
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Sorry, now I'm with you!
@Dan im actually a pilot in the military... but I'm still waiting to go to flight school
@MattBear So do you do IT for the Army?
20:54
so right now... I do pretty much nothing
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@Jacob No, I'm just nosy
@Dan Sorry :)
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@MattBear Wow, sweet gig!
@Dan yeah, eventually :p I'm just looking forward to two weeks off :p I'm planning on working out a lot and getting back into shape
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@MattBear US Army I assume?
20:56
@Dan yeah
national guard
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Am I right in thinking your non-national guard can't deploy locally?
Question for @MichaelHampton or @ChrisS that I want to ask after "googling"
Saw this question here:
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Q: Can 'show mac address-table' be used inside user mode?

user555I've been studying for my CCNA exams using Cisco ICND1 Official Cert Guide, Wendell Odom. On one question they ask in which modes show mac address-table can be executed. The answer is User mode and Enable mode, so they say. I haven't been able to execute that command under user mode, neither in ...

and then on google saw this site that basically had a real-time update of the SF site
normal? Via the api I guess?
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@TheCleaner Questions like that are why I fucking hate exams. Why should you need to know that off the top of your head?
@Dan in most cases yes
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A: Report sites that use Stack Exchange content without following attribution rules here

user228379happyforlove.com copies the content of SE sites without any attribution. For example, http://www.happyforlove.com/questions/c_444314/prove-that-in-an-obtuse-triangle-the-orthocentre-is-the-excenter-of-the-orthic-t is a copy of this one on Math SE. The site has the footer: Copyright © 2013 ...

21:02
aha...thanks Michael.
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@MattBear So does that make you a reservist? (Sorry for being dumb, our army's aren't really the same at all in this sense. We have a regular army which does [everything] and then we have a Territorial Army which is simply a reserve group for the regular Army which also does [nearly everything] upto and including special forces
dan whereabouts in the west midlands ?
@Dan It's a strange artifact of U.S. history, where it had both local militias and later a regular army. This continues today, where the National Guard has pretty much subsumed the militias.
@Dan States perfer to use local resources to handle local situations active army can have a lot of idiots that will cause trouble because its not thier home
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@Sirex Sunny Dudley originally, but now less sunny Wolverhampton
21:05
@Dan yam yam ?
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@MichaelHampton @MattBear Gotchya!
@Dan national guard is essentially reserve, but operated at a state level, still deploys to global situations but its main role is to handle crisises in the state
@MichaelHampton still not sure what the point of such a site even is. Not like you can add content there. I don't see any google ads or similar on the site either. Maybe I'm missing the point of duplicating and where the benefit is for them. (edit: I guess the affililiate click through in the middle?)
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@Iain I try my hardest not to be, but strictly by birth, yes. I am however proud to have heard "Wow, I would never have known you were from Dudley" a few times. The accent does appear now and again though :s
The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (, original at ) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction and was updated in 1981. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce the State laws. The Bill/Act as modified in 1981 refers to the Armed Forces of the United States. It does not apply to the National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's go...
21:06
@TheCleaner They do have some ads on there. Looks like Commission Junction PPA links. You could also report the site to CJ.
;-) my wife's from much wenlock
Yeah, the military can only be deployed in the US during martial law or if the state governments cannot/willnot enforce constitutional rights.
@Dan I only heard the term for the first time last weekend - I was at the T20 in Worcester against Warwickshire (who won) and Jayne & her nephew used it
Who the hell do you deploy if the federal government won't follow the Constitution?
@MichaelHampton Ghostbusters
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21:09
@Iain Haha, I guess it's pretty localised. Most people outside of the Midlands only really know the term Brummie, but internally that's like confusing Manchester with Liverpool
@Sirex I like that area - got rellies in Shrewsbury
Posse Comitatus
and Bruce Willis. :)
@Dan yes, brummie/black country is very different
"The Force Acts, among other powers, allow the President to call up military forces when state authorities are either unable or unwilling to suppress violence that is in opposition to the constitutional rights of the people.[2]"
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@Iain Yeah, I don't really identify with Birmingham in the slightest. Very much Black Country here in that sense, not that I'm particularly proud of some of the place
21:12
@Dan Same all over
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Where do you hail from originally, @Iain?
@Dan Here
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@Sirex Missed this, rode through there the other week
Wirral
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Ah, didn't know if you just lived there
21:15
No, always been here
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As a kid I always thought I'd grow up and get out, but I'm less sure now. There's lots of places I like the idea of living, but being centrally located is pretty sensible all round. And I never appreciated how much I'd enjoy having my family close either - I really missed my brother when he went to Newquay and I'm looking forward to the fact he'll be in Dudley for a bit after his Afghanistan tour
I like being close to the sea - although at 1.2 miles as the crow flies this is the furthest away from it I've ever lived
we're living in new zealand now, but what with the summer the uk's getting, getting jealous ;p will have to go back next year for a bit.
You can have some of our weather. Humid and 36 degrees right now.
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Right, bed time for me now! Laters all
21:20
@WesleyDavid I can do that already, 13k network wide
@Sirex I have rellies (from Ironbridge) who live in Palmerston North - we'll get to see them eventualy
@DennisKaarsemaker Now, now - you're not that overweight!
=P
@WesleyDavid of course YOU clicked it
:p
@WesleyDavid no, I have a bike :P
21:26
@DennisKaarsemaker I'm working towards it!
@DennisKaarsemaker why ride the bike when you have a giant cock you can sit on?
@MattBear have you ever ridden a giant cock? It hurts!
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im sure its a bouncy ride, but should be LOADS of fun
@DennisKaarsemaker just google "Matt rides giant cock" and click the first link you get
@MattBear that's probably a really bad idea
@DennisKaarsemaker why?
21:29
@MattBear I google without safe search :)
@DennisKaarsemaker no protection? just like that video your missing out on!
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Q: Mail bounced during relay via Google account

user180586I want to all mails form my server to be relay through my private google email account. But all email are bounced and the return mail stands: I got info: <[email protected]>: host smtp.gmail.com[173.194.69.109] said: 530-5.5.1 Authentication Required. Learn more at 530 5.5.1 support.google.co...

@MichaelHampton Hi, It's closer to 39 here or 40+ with the heat index
I thought we had a "google email relay" canonical but can't find it...maybe not...
PORT 587 MOTHERFUCKER!
21:41
he's got that...at least his main.cf shows it
Questions where the asker has clearly not read the documentation and has his head so far up his ass he can't see the error messages are off-topic.
Someone give me the day's summary
@MDMarra It's all Dennis's fault.
The CEO decided paying for a domain name was a waste of money, so we have to rename the domain to COMPANY.local.
nice
21:48
@MDMarra DDOS, questions about how to change nameservers simply because you want to rehost your website elsewhere, and running beta software on a beta OS.
Oh, and a CCNA study guide with wrong answers, an idiot who doesn't know his username and password...the usual.
@MDMarra @WesleyDavid still doesn't have a bike.
@freiheit I'm working on it.
@MDMarra Im westen nichts neues.
@MDMarra and...
3 hours ago, by ewwhite
Who was talking about my boner? Was it @joelesalas ?
and...
31 mins ago, by Dennis Kaarsemaker
@MattBear have you ever ridden a giant cock? It hurts!
21:58
I missed an eventful day
Am I the only person here who has no interest in your boners?
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@MichaelHampton possibly
@MichaelHampton What? I missed that one...
@Tanner practice and you'll hit it next time
@MDMarra And some produce company ran out of thin-provisioned SSD->VMFS->VMDK->ZFS pool->ZFS zvol->XFS space
with compression on top!
21:59
What, you mean that software can't magically give me unlimited disk space?
@ewwhite -ETOOMANYFUCKINGLAYERSINYOURSTORAGESETUP
Not using the XFS makes performance suck
and Linux disk cache isn't too bright
@MichaelHampton Thin-provision a 20GB physical LUN and set the VM partition size to 100TB. :)
250GB set to 800GB
@ewwhite Please tell me that's not a thing
22:02
@DennisKaarsemaker Hmmm.... hard drives->WAFL->FC->VMFS->VMDK->LVM pool->LVM vol->ext4 I guess I have similar number of layers. It sure seems like a lot when you spell it all out, though.
@MDMarra You've forgotten what happens when you let @ewwhite do storage.
@MDMarra yeah, it's how I build the produce servers now.
Yo dawg...

I'm tired, someone take this and run with it.
Some local IT guy messed it up... then the produce software people created a 50GB dump.
running the volume out of space.
so simple
Can you re-thin on that retarded setup?
22:04
@freiheit you're missing some layers. At least aggr and lun. And "LVM pool" should be pv and vg.
@MDMarra the local IT guy vmotioned it off to a thick-provisioned SAN... 3 weeks ago, maybe... so I had to spend time making it thin again
but the produce people making a 50GB compressed dump is what killed the setup
@DennisKaarsemaker yeah, you're right, of course. drives->RAIDgroups->aggr->WAFL->vol->lun->FC->VMFS->VMDK->pv->vg->lv->ext4. Not sure which side of aggr WAFL belongs on, exactly.
good thing I skipped the LVM portion!
Surely there's some way that we could make storage more complicated. 13 layers just isn't enough! How can I get to 20 layers?
wafl belongs in the wafl iron.
22:08
worth it
@DennisKaarsemaker mmmm.. stroopwafl...
@freiheit add some ecryptfs on top
and in the ecryptfs, loop-mount an iso?
@freiheit chocolate covered stroopwafel!
@DennisKaarsemaker Sadly, the only place I loop-mount any isos is a physical box. When that thing needs a refresh, I'll be sure to virtualize it just to increase the fs layer stack cake.
@DennisKaarsemaker Do they come in dark chocolate?
milk chocolate is a terrible waxy trick. I'll stick with naked, sticky stroopwafels for now.
22:15
@MDMarra send your billz
@ewwhite sent
@MDMarra TOO MUCH!! You don't want me to have to resort to eating pork & beans, do you?
@ewwhite You'll live, you rich fuck
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pork & beans
22:21
Is tomtom still around? we talk about him like he is, but he hasn't said anything good in a long time
@JoelESalas sure... he said something today.
Ah - ok - where is the high end server here? — TomTom 2 hours ago
wtf is that creepy red thing
Please, do some basic math. It is not that hard. 4000 concurrent streams at 2mbit is 8gigabit. That pretty much uses up a 10gigabit connection. Ask a provider about the price of that before even thinking of anything else - you will likely not like the answer. — TomTom 12 hours ago
who knows
Damnit George
You only show up to delete gifs.
Do you monitor chat servers for gifs? Don't lie
22:23
I'll kill you!! - TomTom 3 hours ago
@MDMarra ohh I'm always here ... always
@MDMarra @Zypher is watching... your .gifs .
adn this god damn code that isn't working right
code, lol
@Zypher In my experience, 99.999% of the time, the code simply does exactly what it's being told to do.
22:28
@freiheit ohh it is
doesn't mean i'm TELLING it the right thing to do
@Zypher That's the tricky part, really.
especially when things don't seem to be working the way you think they should
@NathanC Fuck exchange quotas
22:47
        // YOLO MOTHERFUCKER
^^ Yea this is going well
Found that one a few weeks ago
@MarkHenderson Exchange can't hear you because your mailbox is full
23:36
huh, it seems that my trend of filling the review queue with years-old shit has really taken off.
I'm seeing stuff there which I did not put there.
23:55
anyone of you guys do a comparison between google and bing?
@FalconMomot Why!? :(
@MattBear it's less about the result quality and more about who I want to have my data :P
@NathanC because I can. MUAHAHAHA!

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