The Comms Room

Matt Bear

00:01

@KevinSoviero im considering becoming an iron worker lol

Kevin Soviero

@MattBear Iron? Isn't there a supercomputer, or something by that name? Big Iron, I think.

Matt Bear

$56 an hour for union iron workers right now...

@KevinSoviero I dunno lol

Kevin Soviero

@MattBear Wow, that's quite a bit of money...

Big iron (computing)

:For other uses of the term, see Big iron (disambiguation). Big iron, as the hacker's dictionary the Jargon File defines it, "refers to large, expensive, ultra-fast computers. It is used generally for number crunching supercomputers such as Crays, but can include more conventional big commercial IBM mainframes". The term is often used in reference to IBM mainframes, often when discussing their comeback/survival after the assault of lower cost Unix systems. More recently the term is also applied to powerful computer servers and computer ranches, whose steel racks naturally invoke the same ...

Joel E Salas

Hey guys, do I want to include a FREE McAfee virus scan with my Java install??

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas Totally

It's free, right? What could go wrong

Journeyman Geek

00:05

lol

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson How can I afford not to!

Mark Henderson

Plus it's needed to provide you with a false sense of security around Java's 0-days

Kevin Soviero

@JoelESalas At the rate Java's going, you'll need McAfee. It's the only thing that'll slow your machine down enough that even the "hackers" won't want to mess with it.

Mark Henderson

So I found out yesterday that my cable provider hands out IP addresses on a /20. They shipped their device with NAT enabled; I disabled NAT and sucesfully got public IP addresses on every computer. That's not common these days, is it?

Ward

@Iain @WesleyDavid the loser with no bike.. .app.strava.com/activities/67637024

I love how Iain has problems on a ride and still rides 50% farther in a day than me...

Jacob

00:17

@MarkHenderson Can we trade

I hate Ubuntu "server"

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Well I'm not entirely sure that it's normal. It could be because it's not a Point to Point link that it's a technical limitation that they can't actually control who is on the connection

Joel E Salas

@Jacob Good

Jacob

@MarkHenderson I mean my ONT has it's own IP that statically assigned, but I only get 1 DHCP IP

But yes, that seems plausible

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Which is very normal.

(At least, so I thought until I was just mucking around yesterday)

Jacob

I feel stupid. what's wrong with sudo apt-get install openssh-server ?

Mark Henderson

00:21

@Jacob sudo?

Journeyman Geek

you tell us ;p

ahh

Mark Henderson

Gunna need more details than that

Journeyman Geek

precisely

Jacob

sigh

I forgot sudo apt-get update

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Shouldn't be needed for openssh-server

Jacob

00:23

Yum does it automatically

@MarkHenderson What I thought too, but it did

Mark Henderson

I don't know much, but I know just enough to be dangerous

I can stomp around in Ubuntu fairly well these days if you don't need anything too complex

Jacob

@MarkHenderson I use RHEL for all my stuff, desktop, and servers

Though sadly I bet I need to use MOAR Ubuntu

Mark Henderson

@Jacob I'm starting to deploy CentOS to force me to learn it, but I find SELinux getting in my way a lot. I don't fully understand it, and thus I am scared of it

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Use Puppet, it handles scary SELinux for you

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas I haven't learned puppet either

Or chef

Jacob

00:27

@JoelESalas I have massive resistance to config MGMT

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Aren't you a Windows guy in general?

@Jacob Why

Mark Henderson

@JoelESalas Yes I am. I have a small handful of Linux servers where appropriate. Things like varnish, haproxy, zabbix, etc

Jacob

@JoelESalas Mister Devoops thinks we aren't ready for it

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Even then, Puppet can help you keep those bullshits under control. I will admit that GP is 100x more useful than Puppet in your case

Jacob

Plus CEO has me working on tons of other projects that kinda take precedence.

Joel E Salas

00:28

@Jacob That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. There isn't a single project, company or team that cannot benefit from config management

Michael Hampton

Ubuntu IS NOT A FUCKING SERVER

7

Jacob

@MichaelHampton Notice the quotation marks

Michael Hampton

Unfortunately Red Hat IS NOT FUCKING UP TO DATE

Jacob

@JoelESalas I know, puppet would make deployment such a breeze

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton MAINTAIN YOUR OWN SOFTWARE

Shane Madden

00:30

@JoelESalas Eww.

Joel E Salas

@ShaneMadden We're cutting-edge enough to have to do it

Shane Madden

@JoelESalas For specific bits, or for all of the hundreds/thousands of software packages needed to make a working OS?

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas I maintain MY shit. I don't want to have to maintain EVERYONE ELSE'S shit.

Shane Madden

Ubuntu does have some good things going for it, server-wise. It's just hard to get past some of the bad decisions/mistakes that the community has made.

Michael Hampton

If you see shameless self-promotion without any disclosure, please flag it.

Ryan Ries

00:46

Shit I was about to shamelessly self-promote the second I read that.

Michael Hampton

@RyanRies Oh don't worry, nobody's going to buy your butt anyway.

jscott

I was on the fence about that late answer. Usually I find the self-promoters include the vendor's site in their profile. Something did seem off about that answer though...

Ryan Ries

Can I shamelessly self promote myotherpcisacloud.com/post/2012/04/02/…

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson Don't charge enough? I'd charge enough - if people would pay me to do things!

Matt Bear

im supposed to start doing a daily blog... :(

WesleyDavid

00:49

ERgghhhhh this vertigo is killing me...

Shane Madden

@MattBear Why?

Matt Bear

@ShaneMadden boss asked me too

Michael Hampton

@jscott Oh, that smell you smelled.. that was bullshit marketing speak, which has no place in a Server Fault answer. If you aren't sure, flag it anyway; we have tools to take a close look at users if necessary and figure out if it's an astroturfing campaign or something.

Shane Madden

@MattBear Like.. telling him what you did? Or like a public blog?

Matt Bear

@ShaneMadden intranet

Ryan Ries

00:50

My IT director was supposed to start doing an internal blog, which I thought would have been awesome, but so far nothing. :(

Shane Madden

@MichaelHampton So you're saying you have ways of making their profile talk?

@MattBear Seems a little silly if it's supposed to be like "here's what I did!".. there are better ways of giving status updates.

Michael Hampton

@ShaneMadden Yes... yes ve do.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton fwiw it actually looks like good software

If it does what it claims to do

Matt Bear

how do I put "watched 3 movies, drank 7 monsters, played 27 games of Call of Duty, screwed around on serverfault, and avoided everybody" into a blog without looking bad?

jscott

@MichaelHampton Ha! Dude is still editing the post. :)

Michael Hampton

00:53

If he puts the disclosure in, I'll undelete it.

Mark Henderson

@MattBear Forget your blog, try putting that into a timesheet

Shane Madden

@MattBear Well, if you were supposed to be working, then it'd be hard to avoid looking bad :)

Matt Bear

@MarkHenderson lol

Mark Henderson

$2500 for 100 licenses is reasonably priced too. Basically starts at $25/user

Matt Bear

@ShaneMadden Its kinda supposed a way to keep the... lesser IT minions apraised of whats going on at the server level

Shane Madden

00:56

@MattBear Ahh. That could make sense in some environments I guess.

Ryan Ries

I left time sheets behind. No more overtime for me. Sometimes it's a blessing, sometimes a curse.

jscott

@MichaelHampton No, he's clarifying everything else about the product except for the disclosure part.

Michael Hampton

@jscott Yep, I see that.

Mark Henderson

Good luck finding this fabled community/free mode though, I could only find it by googling for it

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson That's fine, anybody can edit his answer!

Matt Bear

01:01

actually the blog thing could help me... remember what the fuk i've done lol

Michael Hampton

I write docs and stick them in Redmine. On Heroku.

Matt Bear

@MichaelHampton I need to start doing somthing like that... get more organized

cool, problem solved, now I can go home! :p

Falcon Momot

this is bizarre: serverfault.com/review/suggested-edits/82274

Michael Hampton

serverfault.com/review/suggested-edits/82274

@FalconMomot Where have you been the last half hour? :)

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot They edited the wrong post

Falcon Momot

01:15

@MarkHenderson evidently.

that's still a strange error to make though. I didn't see they had an answer to that question even.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot You have to have 10K rep to see deleted posts.

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton why do you ask? 0.o

@MichaelHampton Oh, I see (or rather, don't see). It seemed like that's what was up, but because it was hiding, I couldn't make sense of it.

Mark Henderson

I added his disclosure and undeleted his post and removed the marketing fluff

Falcon Momot

that's still as good as spam imho, but...

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot Full disclosure, not posted on every possible GPO answer, I checked it out and it actually looks like decent software, so we let it slide

Falcon Momot

01:20

@MarkHenderson Fair enough.

Mark Henderson

@jscott - fucking markdown, right?

jscott

Not even going to try to block quote it :) Go here: serverfault.com/help/behavior scroll to the bottom.

@MarkHenderson sigh -- [defeated, again] yes.

Jacob

01:35

What do you guys use for your AD subdomain?

Michael Hampton

@Jacob mdmarra

Jacob

I'm going to be setting up AD soon and boss can't decide on what to use

@MichaelHampton That's tough to justify

Michael Hampton

@Jacob He'll be unhappy to hear that.

Jacob

@MichaelHampton who?

Michael Hampton

@Jacob @MDMarra, of course.

Jacob

01:37

@MichaelHampton oh, too bad?

Falcon Momot

@Jacob If your internal network has a name in the business, use that as a subdomain of some publicly assigned domain you own. otherwise, for large companies the name of your division is good. failing that, you could do something like intranet.

Jacob

@FalconMomot I'm thinking AD, we don't have that large of a company

We just dearly need centralized auth

Falcon Momot

@Jacob Yeah, for AD. the only important thing really is that it's a subdomain of a domain you own that isn't used for some other purpose already.

though a large national bank here uses their domain ${bank}.com as an AD domain

Jacob

@FalconMomot No I meant AD.company.com :)

Falcon Momot

you can do that

but then ntlm-style username qualification becomes AD\username, which is weird.

but full UPN notation becomes [email protected] which is ok

Jacob

01:40

@FalconMomot Can't you change that?

Falcon Momot

the UPN? yes, but it's tedious. you can also set an alternate netbios name for your domain, which is awkward.

Ryan Ries

@Jacob If you do actually do something like that, you will be on the front lines of people who are FINALLY doing it right. Microsoft didn't exactly help; they did actually used to recommend fake gTLDs like .local. They've since recanted that advice, but the damage has already been done. .local is the most common AD domain name I have ever seen.

Falcon Momot

actually come to think of it as long as you are OK with split-horizon DNS you can easily use you company's domain name.

Michael Hampton

Split DNS is a royal pain in the ass. Avoid it if you can.

Jacob

@FalconMomot NONONO not in this case

Falcon Momot

01:42

@RyanRies It would be really cool if ICANN would assign a TLD for private use.

Jacob

@RyanRies What's your stance on changing the UPN

Ryan Ries

@FalconMomot It's within their rights, technically

@Jacob You can add all the UPN suffixes you want. For convenience, for aesthetics.

Falcon Momot

@RyanRies They could do it if they so desired. it isn't clear why they haven't. it would I suppose be possible to get one assigned by RFC, maybe, though I am not sure if ICANN will service such requests or if only IANA does that

Ryan Ries

I mean .local especially is already reserved. It's no different in my mind from the "can I use 20.0.0.0/8 as my IP address space?"

Jacob

@RyanRies I hate to be stupid here, but how would that look as far as ntlm style

Ryan Ries

01:44

The answer is NO. It's already reserved.

Michael Hampton

local. is now officially reserved for link-local use only; RFC 6762 :)

Falcon Momot

right, for APIPA

and mDNS

there needs to be one for RFC1918-style use.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton So, now Apple can officially support screwing over mDNS on poorly named AD's

Shane Madden

Make a domain with a domain controller whose FQDN is localhost.local. Then watch @MDMarra's head explode.

Michael Hampton

invalid.test.example.localhost.local ?

Shane Madden

01:47

@MichaelHampton Sounds good.

Falcon Momot

@MarkHenderson what it specifically means is that devices are likely to send their DNS queries for local. to the multicast DNS address for mDNS and not be able to resolve them and be susceptible to poisoning :)

Michael Hampton

The presumption is that you're going to go buy a damn domain name. For a test/lab network you can always use test. (RFC 6761)

Ryan Ries

@Jacob NTLM style? NTLM just wants an account name, and a password (hash). So domain name suffixes don't really matter to NTLM. The NetBIOS domain name or machine name, on the other hand, does.

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton You forgot .yolo.

Michael Hampton

@WesleyDavid That's no more valid than .local.

Ryan Ries

01:51

Where is MD when you need him

Jacob

@RyanRies So I want somethingelse\ rather than AD, so that's what a UPN suffix is?

Shane Madden

@Jacob That's the NetBIOS domain name.

Ryan Ries

@Jacob A UPN is [email protected]

Falcon Momot

@Jacob The UPN suffix is that which comes after the @

also the domain's netbios name is that which comes before the \

Jacob

Ah

ok

Falcon Momot

01:52

now I'm going to have to spend some time wondering why it is that I have a macro key assigned to a GUID

Ryan Ries

Right... you could logon with DOMAIN\Jacob, or SERVER01\Jacob, both of which can be valid logons as far as NTLM is concerned.

Falcon Momot

aha!

but those are special.

I believe that ${workstation-name}\username will always be interpreted as "local user on the authenticating machine"

for any workstation name

Ryan Ries

(Only DOMAIN\Jacob can be dual-purposed and serve Kerberos as well)

Falcon Momot

anyway

Ryan Ries

@FalconMomot Yeah, but either could go for NTLM. Kerberos though needs to be able to be linked back to a service principal name in Active Directory.

Falcon Momot

01:55

as a BCP, to keep things uncomplicated, when setting up a forest ab initio, use exactly one common-language name for your prod environment as a netbios name for your domain, and use <that>.your.real.domain. as the domain FQDN.

@RyanRies this is true, but I don't believe WS02\username entered on WS01 will be interpreted as "username on WS02" in practice, but rather as one of "look for a domain named WS02 and fail" or "local user username" depending on context.

Ryan Ries

The gruesome reality is though is that we all inherit .locals. I kinda' feel like inheriting a .local or a .corp or a .int, etc., needs to be a prerequisite of being considered an IT pro. :)

Falcon Momot

@RyanRies haha, .int. That is the vilest, unless you happen to be working for the UN or some other treaty organization :P

Jacob

Now I just hope that we can get this web app to connect to AD

Falcon Momot

hacks up _msdcs records for nato.int

Ryan Ries

@FalconMomot No not at all, WS01\User, when used on WS02, will fail miserably, as it should.

.\User will work on either though, as long as local logons are allowed. ;)

<-- Proud sponsor of myotherpcisacloud.com - DNS hosted by GoDaddy, web server hosted on MS Azure, and my lab stuff at home uses a properly-delegated subdomain of myotherpcisacloud.com. :P

(Disclaimer: Please don't hack my shit, I beg you.)

Jacob

02:02

@RyanRies lab. ?

Falcon Momot

@RyanRies It will fail, after a long and protracted attempt to find a domain called WS01.

some cheating is done in the network resource credential dialogue for local users

Ryan Ries

@Jacob I have various ones, that change over time... usually cloud-themed... like stratus.myotherpcisacloud.com, nubo.myotherpcisacloud.com, cirrus.myotherpcisacloud.com, etc. :P

Falcon Momot

0

Q: Is there any big changes if I use different VPS with better RAM?

Currently, my Rails app is working on a server with 1GB RAM. I feel it's so slow so that I'm planning to shift to better Server. There are 3 choices such as 2GB, 4GB, and 6GB. or 2GB with SSD. Is there any big changes if I just move all the files of Rails app to there, and prepare exactly the sa...

Michael Hampton

I wonder why a twitter-like service needs to know its users' blood type.

Jacob

@MichaelHampton IT'S BIG DATA MAN!

Michael Hampton

02:08

@Jacob I've got something big here, but it ain't data.

Ryan Ries

I got 99 problems, but knowin' your blood type ain't one.

Jacob

@MichaelHampton @voretaq7 @MichaelHampton Has something to show you!

Ryan Ries

heheheheeh

Falcon Momot

-2

Q: email with nginx and/or node.js

Is there a way of sending and recieving emails using this servers? I have been having some dificulty in finding a simple answer. All I want is to: -add emails with the domain name -send and recieve -forward -store(optional)

nginx email emailserver node.js

why do people do this?

it's like the thought process is "I want to do <x>. The current software everyone is talking about is <y, z>. Though these things are totally unrelated to my problem, I want to use them in the solution."

Ryan Ries

@FalconMomot I'm not sure this is true. I've never experienced this. Windows is smart enough at least to know "OK, you're either localhost, or you're the domain I'm joined to, or a domain I trust, otherwise fuck you" and time out within 1 second or so.

Falcon Momot

02:12

@RyanRies Check it sometime. I'm pretty sure this is how I have seen it operate.

Ryan Ries

@FalconMomot I will... no disrespect, of course, please understand, I just always enjoy getting to the root of these things. :)

Falcon Momot

@RyanRies nono, of course, I might look at it in more detail too if I ever get a chance.

Ryan Ries

See, why can't the flaggers come along when they see Serverfault chatters engaging in respectful discourse... they always seem to come around when people are talking about dicks and shit. -_-

Jacob

@RyanRies I could flag stuff if that's what you want...

Ryan Ries

@Jacob That's the absolute last thing I want

Falcon Momot

02:20

wtf why is the close queue empty

Jacob

@FalconMomot Because I'm busy doing real work.

Ryan Ries

I'd seriously not mind having a profanity filter, for the kids that wander through here, that could easily be switched off by us adults.

Someone take that Meta Everything

Kyle, DO IT.

I can help you with the euphamisms... "Fuck" = "Hump", "Shit" = "Poo", "Fag" = "Bundle of Sticks", "Cunt" = "That thing we always strive for yet never achieve," and so forth and so on.

Mark Henderson

Grrraaahhhhhhhhh: veeam.com/kb1681

Every. Fucking. Night. the SQL server is offline for just long enough for persistant connections to drop

Now I know why

Falcon Momot

I think, all said and done, copy-on-write is not a bad decision for snapshots.

and there are better ways to back up your databases.

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot Yeah that's what we're looking at. For our RTO a full VM snapshot is the easiest method, but there are many other options

We currently do nightly full backups with 15-minute transaction logs anyway so our RPO is pretty small for SQL

MDMarra

02:32

@RyanRies What?

@pauska if you're not using self-service automation and you're already heavily invested in another ticketing system, theres no real benefit to SCSM

It's actually not as polished as some other systems, but the self-service automation is the real killer

@RyanRies .local isn't reserved

@FalconMomot I regularly made internal.example.com or ad.example.com domains with a NetBIOS name of EXAMPLE and create a UPN suffix for @example.com which is assigned to all users. It's not tedious and is generally considered best practice

Ryan Ries

@MDMarra "Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) standards-track RFC 6762, which has been approved and was officially published on February 20, 2013, essentially reserves the use of .local as a pseudo-TLD for link-local hostnames that can be resolved via the Multicast DNS name resolution protocol.[1] Page 5 of that publication states: ..."

Falcon Momot

@MDMarra it's reserved according to RFC6762, which is recent

Ryan Ries

.local

Networking device hostnames ending with .local are often employed in private networks, where they are resolved either via the multicast domain name service (mDNS) and/or local Domain Name System (DNS) servers. The implementation of both approaches on the same network can be problematic, however, so resolving such names via “unicast” DNS servers has fallen into disfavor as computers, printers and other devices supporting zero-configuration networking (zeroconf) have become increasingly common. Multicast DNS standard Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) standards-track RFC 6762, which has...

Jacob

@MDMarra I like that idea

MDMarra

@RyanRies Oh feb 2013

Didn't see that

Went down a rabbit hole today and now I'm reinstalling my entire SCSM environment

Don't you hate that

Ryan Ries

02:38

Truth is, I just like telling my bosses that all their shit is "pseudo"

Mark Henderson

02:54

@MDMarra No because I'm not shit

2

Ryan Ries

@MDMarra That sounds problematic

Falcon Momot

@RyanRies or perhaps symptomatic...

MDMarra

At least I'm not this guy

1

Q: Trouble compiling modern GCC with antique glibc

I am trying to get a modern GCC to compile on Centos 6.4. The problem is that Centos does not have a modern glibc and GCC 4.8.x and 4.7.x keep giving me the following compile error: ... -DL_gcov -c ../../.././libgcc/libgcov.c In file included from /usr/include/features.h:385:0, ...

centos gcc centos6.4

Falcon Momot

clearly, that is not the Tao.

Mark Henderson

@MDMarra I wish I knew enough about stuff to upvote answers on questions like that

Falcon Momot

03:01

then you would be a developer.

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson I do know enough about stuff to evaluate that question and its answers, and I'm still of the opinion that he's doing it wrong.

MDMarra

With research HPC stuff, there are a lot of politics if it's at a university

I'm not surprised that he's stuck on that OS version

Michael Hampton

It would kind of be like dropping the kernel.exe and such from Windows 8 onto a Windows Vista system and expecting everything to work.

Mark Henderson

@MDMarra This. I was about to say something similar - I know enough about universities to know that the guy might not have a choice

MDMarra

There's some clueless department chair that has final say, and there are probably multiple people sharing the cluster and someone with the chair's attention said that it would take a whole semester to validate their code against a newer OS

So, that was that most likely

Falcon Momot

03:14

@MDMarra the reason we have things like ANSI C standards and POSIX and the SUS are so that you don't need to worry about things like that >.<

Jacob

@FalconMomot Not the point, academia moves slower than Molasses in a Siberian winter.

Falcon Momot

@Jacob No, I know. I don't often see people who are in industry bother doing things like validating compilers, either, for instance.

Ryan Ries

@MDMarra Seriously though, you talk so much about SCSM that you are the foremost authority on it that I know of. I would be ecstatic to sit through a run-through with you. I have been in charge of many enterprise-level projects, but no one seems to want to use System Center, as much as I want to use System Center.

I can jack around with it all day in lab environments, but my handlers have yet to let me really use it to its potential in a production environment.

My old mentor always tells me that I go through phases, where first, I hate the tech, second, I start to accept it (as I start to learn it a bit more,) third I start to master it, and then suddenly it's the most awesome thing since sliced bread!

WesleyDavid

@RyanRies I first love tech, then I hate it, then I'm okay with it, then I want to leave and be a bike messenger.

See, that's why I'm hedging on a bike.

If I get a bike, I'm going to eventually run away and be a bike messenger and never work with tech again.

MDMarra

@RyanRies Sure, we can webex one night if you really want to see it

(After I've rebuilt it)

Journeyman Geek

03:28

lol

WesleyDavid

But I still kinda like tech, so I'm not sure I want to get a bike.

Journeyman Geek

I think my main annoyance now is the lack of a budget ;p

MDMarra

@WesleyDavid Looks like you don't have to worry about that ever happening.

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra Yeah, that's why I'm avoiding a bike. =P

It would probably pay better to be a bike messenger.

Jacob

@WesleyDavid So do that

MDMarra

03:30

Ok, I just spent the last 6 hours fucking around in my demo environment. Time for bed

<3 all

Michael Hampton

When I get sick of all this shit, I want to be a truck driver.

Ryan Ries

@MDMarra Psssssh WebEx? Live Meeting for the win! (Just kidding, WebEx is fine. :))

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton That sounds nice.

@dawud Any band recommendations?

Michael Hampton

This is a problem, right?

WesleyDavid

03:46

@MichaelHampton What happened on the morning of the 15th?

Or rather, the early afternoon.

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: I probably would want to end up as a hermit on the ass end of nowhere

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek Yeah - I dunno what I want to do when I grow up.

@MichaelHampton And what's that box do? Let me guess, NFS store for VMDKs? =P

Michael Hampton

@WesleyDavid The SAN decided it didn't want to be a SAN anymore.

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton sad panda

Listens to Third Eye Blind to get thrown back to the mid nineties

Michael Hampton

@WesleyDavid Well they just emailed me back and said "You're right, our storage is having issues" and they're going to storage vMotion us to a new SAN.

WesleyDavid

03:51

@MichaelHampton Ah, so you're not totally responsible for their mess. Good good. "Having issues" could be anything from disks failing to someone blaring dubstep with the speakers aimed at the rack.

WUBwubWUBwubWUBwubWUBwubWUBwubWUBwubWUBwubWUBwubWUBwubWUBwub

Michael Hampton

> You're correct in assuming that our storage infrastructure is still at fault. We've been in contact with our hardware vendor over the last week and they've concluded that our infrastructure is essentially dying. We've initiated an emergency maintenance window over the next coming weeks to migrate all our customers to a new infrastructure that we had provisioned over the weekend.

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton Nice and to the point - props for taking it on the chin and not frothing, client!

Michael Hampton

> Superb! I’ll start migrating your VMs within the next hour.

The line I really loved, though, was:

> If you're familiar with virtualization, what we're performing are Storage vMotions.

lamp_scaler

when i set a crontab task for every 30 minutes. when does it actually start counting down the 30minutes? the moment i save the crontab? or?

Journeyman Geek

no

Michael Hampton

03:59

@lamp_scaler It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

lamp_scaler

@JourneymanGeek i see so if i set for every 30 minutes. and i save the crontab at 11:59pm, it will actually run the task at 12:00am? and then again at 12:30am...and so on?

Journeyman Geek

@lamp_scaler: its in the manpage

lamp_scaler

ok

@JourneymanGeek the manpage doesn't describe when the new task will take effect after save.

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton I always hate talking to other technical people though, because I never know what their familiarity is. I hate to assume a lack of knowledge, but I also hate to shoot off a bunch of terms and words and sound like I'm talking over someone. I've said many sentences like that myself - I'm sure I've petted a few people's fur the wrong way for one reason or the other.

Journeyman Geek

@lamp_scaler: You're failing to understand it properly

WesleyDavid

04:04

@JourneymanGeek Someone pissed in your cornflakes this morning didn't they. =P

@lamp_scaler cron doesn't work in an "every thirty minutes" paradigm, it's "what minute on the clock face." so "every 30 minutes" really means "on the 30th minute"

Michael Hampton

We have a nice Q&A for this already.

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: Precisely!

And this is self evident on the man page

Michael Hampton

@WesleyDavid Good point. I guess I shouldn't expect to be famous yet...

WesleyDavid

@lamp_scaler Windows scheduled tasks works on both paradigms, so you can set it to fire off every 30 minutes starting at the time you save the task, or you can have it fire off on the 30th minute of every hour.

lamp_scaler

are you talking about crontab man? or something else? because the man crontab gives very little ifno

Journeyman Geek

04:05

@lamp_scaler: man cron

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek Cron's man page isn't exactly self evident, unless you dropped acid and took Ritalin 30 minute before. =P

lamp_scaler

@JourneymanGeek oh. i was looking at man crontab

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: I haven't dropped actifed yet.

Michael Hampton

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Q: Why is my crontab not working, and how can I troubleshoot it?

This is a Canonical Question about using crontab. The answer for 'Why is my crontab not working, and how can I troubleshoot it?' can be seen below. This addresses the cron system with the crontab highlighted.

linux cron

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: You are looking at unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?crontab+5 right?

and the part starting with cron(8) examines cron entries once every minute.

which entirely answers @lamp_scaler 's question

Tho, I guess, that man cron actually explains crontab is less than self evident

WesleyDavid

04:09

@JourneymanGeek No: linux.die.net/man/1/crontab

Journeyman Geek

Oh, thats pointless

and kinda explains why I used to hate manpages.

@lamp_scaler: the cron manpage has everything you need.

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek Also enraging: "Oh shit, info has better documentation!"

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: as for cornflakes...

WesleyDavid

Journeyman Geek

I'm STILL bleeding out an infected pimple, my beard itches, I have a bad sinus infection, I'm waiting on a package and I HATE waiting.... ;p

I bought a nice pen, and a fancyish bottle of ink

Michael Hampton

04:12

@JourneymanGeek It'll be in customs for the next three weeks.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: naw, comgateway is PRETTY reliable

I just hate waiting.

Which is ironic since I buy stuff from dx all the time

@MichaelHampton: local customs is awesome

I've never had any issues with em

WesleyDavid

Aww yisss. finished a writing project in spite of the room spinning. Screw you, vertigo!

WesleyDavid

04:39

licks @MilesErickson's head

Your head isn't as sweet as @voretaq7's hair.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid I trust that you realize how much creepier it is for you to lick my head while in human form.

WesleyDavid

04:59

YAWN

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Um.

Jacob

@WesleyDavid double YAWN

Dennis Kaarsemaker

05:50

good morning fine gentlemen

and @WesleyDavid

dawud

06:02

morning

@WesleyDavid check Ancestors (Invisible White)

@WesleyDavid or if in a wild mood, Nile, Nasum, Burnt by the Sun, Burst

Yet another critical patch from Oracle. Affecting all our production databases. Cool.

Mark Henderson

06:26

Fuck, it only took 3 hours but I finally have a few DFS backlog queue counts being monitored

dawud

@WesleyDavid youtube.com/watch?v=YFO4GFvj9IM

Mark Henderson

Fucking dfsdiag requires elevated permissions

Iain

G'day

@MarkHenderson can you kill that annoying GIF please ?

Journeyman Geek

the headlicky one?

Iain

@Ward I see you remembered to start Strava :) I was as far away from home as that took me when I noticed the broken spoke too :(

@JourneymanGeek yes

Journeyman Geek

06:40

Oh, I'm just saying stuff to get that off my bigger screen too ;p

Iain

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Q: Clear Chat - Clears all of the messages in the chat window.

Screenshot About Ever wish you could simply clear all of the messages from the chat window (similar to a terminal)? Well now you can with this UserScript! Simply install it using the link below and click the clear button - and that's it! License MIT License Download Get it here: http:...

script chat

Journeyman Geek

lol

Guess we weren't the only ones

its kinda amusing how many SE extentions merely add stuff we take for granted in IRC

Iain

@JourneymanGeek I asked him to write it ages ago :)

I forgot about it because I disabled it when trying to figure out a problem with stacked scripts

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Michael Hampton

07:23

Wow. I paste an error message into Google, and ... no results.

Iain

07:58

@MichaelHampton not common but it happens occasionally

Michael Hampton

Well, I finally figured out why the front page is always a river of shit at this time of day. It's just after lunchtime in India.

Iain

@MichaelHampton I hadn't noticed any particular time of day when the river was better/worse

Michael Hampton

@Iain Oh, I have. Mostly at two distinct times of day. This is one of them. About six hours ago is the other.

Iain

@MichaelHampton the start of the subcontinental working day and just after it's lunch time then

Michael Hampton

@Iain That seems to be it. Though I've seen crap start as early as 0:00 UTC. It's early morning in Australia and Japan around that time.

Er, no, that's even earlier.

Iain

08:08

@MichaelHampton like I said I never really noticed much difference

anyone ever had any success sending abuse reports to service providers ?

Joel E Salas

@WesleyDavid youtube.com/watch?v=6pLzfyT_H1E

Michael Hampton

@Iain I've read at least the titles of every post made for weeks on end. My feeling is that there's definitely a time-of-day correlation. I'm thinking now that I'll do some magic with the data explorer and see if there's a spike in close rates at certain times of day.

Iain

@MichaelHampton does the analytics go less than daily ?

Michael Hampton

@Iain Nope, it's just daily.

Jenny D

Morning

Dennis Kaarsemaker

08:26

@MichaelHampton what the hell are you doing being awake? :)

Michael Hampton

@DennisKaarsemaker Watching some storage vMotions finish up...

dawud

The Recipe For Disaster

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Q: How to run Linux system commands from web interface?

I'm looking for a clean and secure way to run specific Linux system commands from a web interface. Let's say I would like to sudo -u differentuser ping 0.0.0.0. The IP address is supplied by user in a HTTP request and I'd like to print the result on a web page. What would be the best way to do t...

linux web gui command interface

tombull89

FactoringCompany, Costa Mesa, CA

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boot-loader linux memory netgear pv xen

Has provided some answers, but the bio...well...seems spammy.

Pacific Business Capital Corporation (PBCC) can turn your accounts receivable into immediate cash within 24 hours! If your company is newly formed or your balance sheet is inadequate, a bank may say "no" to your borrowing needs.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

two fairly crappy answers, both in the last 30 minutes

hmm, can you flag a user profile?

heh, he's also on money.SE :)

Iain

@DennisKaarsemaker people are free to put pretty much anything in their profile

@MichaelHampton I suspect that you'll see a bump in close votes when the EU and US work day starts

Michael Hampton

08:43

@DennisKaarsemaker That would explain the profile. Handle the crappy answers like any other crappy answers.

Michael Hampton

08:58

Oh, you mean mod_php. It is a DSO, not the only DSO. And it might be a fairly simple problem, but if you want a solution, you will have to tell us what the problem is. — Michael Hampton 2 mins ago

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