The Comms Room

Falcon Momot

04:00

@WesleyDavid spam the channel with questions!

Shane Madden

I guess you can say something offensive and we can flag it to give you a half hour ban. Or you can have some discipline. :)

WesleyDavid

@ShaneMadden Gentoo is awesome.

Olipro

yeah, calling the OSI Model gay is a big no-no

Falcon Momot

@WesleyDavid Oh! You do have a soul after all.

Scott Pack

@Olipro Even if true.

Olipro

04:00

@WesleyDavid That got me right in the feels

WesleyDavid

"You cannot flag your own messages" Totally bogus.

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Someone flagged it. I marked it as valid.

WesleyDavid

Shit, I'm still here.

=(

Ryan Ries

@Jacob Fuck, that was YOU who just rang???

Shane Madden

Aww, someone declined it.

Jacob

04:01

@ryanRies can you go kick some network techs for me?

WesleyDavid

GENTOO IS AWESOME!!!

4

Falcon Momot

@WesleyDavid +1

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden This isn't The Bridge. Our flags are actually meaningful.

Shane Madden

..and @LoganM is confused. Sorry, we're trying to get @WesleyDavid to exercise, apparently.

Olipro

bahaha

Jacob

04:02

Yes it was turn my ONT on please?

Olipro

thanks @WesleyDavid !

WesleyDavid

ALL YOU PEOPLE SUCK I'M LEAVING.

Olipro

glad you agree bro

Ryan Ries

deftly pieces bits of fiber optic wires back together

Falcon Momot

@WesleyDavid you should be in jail.

Olipro

04:02

RAGEQUIT in 5... 4... 3...

WesleyDavid

Aaaaand still not banned.

Falcon Momot

@WesleyDavid highlight all the things!

WesleyDavid

You all have some serious performance anxiety issues.

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid What are you still doing here?

Treadmill!

WesleyDavid

Okay, one more time, Larry Ellison is a saint. Do you hear me? A SAINT!!

Larry Ellison is a better person than all of you combined!

Olipro

04:04

emerge --oneshot banhammer

WesleyDavid

Well you've all disappointed me. I hope you're happy.

Olipro

now you know how your wife feels.

WesleyDavid

@Olipro She's not disappointed, what do you think I keep the gardener on retainer for?

GAHHH I want to flag my own messages this is the worst feature EVAR

Olipro

pfft, outsourcing!

Ryan Ries

Wait ... who's spamming whom? (notice the impeccable grammar there)

WesleyDavid

04:06

Ryan Ries

Also stop marking shit as spam. I don't want to hear it. This is the discussion channel. No one is being offensive here.

Scott Pack

@RyanRies I find your overbearing tone regarding offensive messages offensive.

Ryan Ries

Except you. I'm being very offensive to you.

Overbearing, in fact!

Shane Madden

@RyanRies Wesley was trying to get banned so he'd go run on the treadmill.

Ryan Ries

@WesleyDavid Go run some laps, fatty!

Scott Pack

04:08

@RyanRies I'll bet you're really a Yankee.

Ryan Ries

@ScottPack Born and raised in Texas, honestly

Scott Pack

Surreee.

Ryan Ries

Also a fatty

Although I did go and play some racquetball yesterday, after a month off, and now every muscle in my body is sore. :(

Olipro

don't worry, one day you'll be manly enough to play Squash instead

Ryan Ries

No, seriously, racquetball is the real sport, and anything that is sort of like it, is just imitation.

The only thing approaching anything else that needs to be taken seriously is tennis

Falcon Momot

04:17

Ryan Ries

But racquetball is the pinnacle

Falcon Momot

whistles innocently

Olipro

I guess it depends if you have a thing for large bouncy balls

Ryan Ries

I've personally pulled off some seriously Neo in the Matrix moves whilst playing racquetball, and I know that I ain't shit.

Olipro

Squash is the same, except you also have to give the ball a good belt

Ryan Ries

04:20

So I know that I'm nothing, yet I also know that you can do amazing things in racquetball, ergo I know it's a great game

Olipro

well, unless your opponent is at the far end, then it's light touch for the smackdown

Jacob

@RyanRies your network team sucks BTW

I fixed it by myself

Ryan Ries

@Jacob I will let them know

Falcon Momot

@Jacob that would imply, unless you hacked something, that you didn't actually need them to fix anything on their end at all ;)

Jacob

@FalconMomot The battery in the BBU was dead, so the ONT died when the battery died.( It pulls power from the battery not the AC adaptor, so we had another when we had 2 services, so I swapped batteries and BOOM fixed.

@RyanRies Oh and because my phone was going in and out, why are you jealous of me?

Mark Henderson

04:42

@Jacob Seriously? You're going to go throwing around phrases like that about a service you know virtually nothing about? Do you really know how real life works Jacob? You have a lot to learn about life and the way the real world works. You talk a lot of talk for someone who isn't even out of highschool yet.

Jacob

@MarkHenderson Whoa, it was kinda a half joke

I mean in hindsight, I really shouldn't have complained to him, but I wasn't trying to insult him. He doesn't even work in that department

You are right though... @RyanRies Sorry to Bitch to you for something that you have no control over.

Falcon Momot

drops the Monty Python foot on this line of conversation

Olipro

And now for something completely different...

2

Journeyman Geek

blah

Washed out my mousepad. Feels feel without it :/

Olipro

I got a laser mouse, I no longer use a mouse pad

Falcon Momot

04:56

I have a laser mouse and a glass table.

Olipro

not that I have a choice, it's a laser mouse

Jacob

Laser mice are the best, the wheel was just never responsive enough

Journeyman Geek

My mouse dosen't need the pad, I do ;p

Jacob

@JourneymanGeek huh?

Shane Madden

Mouse pad's more about the additional height and the texture than anything else for me. Haven't needed one in years, still use one.

Olipro

04:57

a little carpal tunnel sydrome never hurt anyone... wait, what?

Falcon Momot

from a mousepad?

Journeyman Geek

@Jacob: I have a fairly large pad that also helps cushion my wrists a little

and texture, of course

Jacob

@JourneymanGeek Oh, that makes sense

Falcon Momot

I find that things which are not mousepads (or those horrid hard plastic mousepads) grate up my hands over time

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: I got a soft fabric one

Falcon Momot

04:59

exactly

I am currently using a gaming mat from razer

Journeyman Geek

actually, its one of those things I basically insisted on doing

Olipro

wow, this is what we've come to, discussing mousemats >_>

Journeyman Geek

the goliantus?

@Olipro: this is not bloody live support ;p

@FalconMomot: my first 'new' mousepad

Olipro

MY MOUSE IS BROKEN, PLZ HALP

Jacob

@Olipro switching conversations after a bomb is always difficult

Olipro

05:00

oh shit, now you've got the NSA interested, way to go @Jacob

Journeyman Geek

I'm using a steel series QCK

Falcon Momot

@Jacob Hmm, I wonder how that happened.

Jacob

@Olipro I always screw things up

Falcon Momot

unrelatedly: longcat is long

Olipro

the men in the black helicopters will be there shortly

Journeyman Geek

05:00

steelseries.com/products/surfaces/steelseries-qck I use one of these, one of the slightly oversized models

Jacob

@FalconMomot I know, I'm working on that now

Falcon Momot

I wonder how long minecraft longcat will be on the current screen for.

Olipro

turn it into a mousemat

Falcon Momot

nah. it's hauntingly awful.

like... it's hideous

Journeyman Geek

lol

Jacob

05:04

@FalconMomot not

long

that

Falcon Momot

fail and lose

Jacob

of

a

time

Falcon Momot

good god bro, stop spamming :P

Journeyman Geek

not

that

of

a

long

cat

Olipro

S

T

Journeyman Geek

05:05

;p

Olipro

A

C

K

Journeyman Geek

curious

Falcon Momot

ca c'est pathetique.

Olipro

zut alors

Falcon Momot

Tabarnouche!

Journeyman Geek

05:06

c'est n'est past un chat.

c'est longue chat.

Olipro

aujourd'hui est le francais jour?

Falcon Momot

oui, c'est.

Journeyman Geek

non, oui est un petit pois.

Olipro

c'est pas possible!

Journeyman Geek

(aka, I've run out of french)

Falcon Momot

05:08

nous allons continuons a parler Francais!

Olipro

avec le Google Translate!

Falcon Momot

frappez le bouche du Geek

Olipro

une bonne phoque en anglais est le good phoque

Falcon Momot

mon Francais est terrible pour une Franco-Canadienne

Olipro

it's funny if you get a french person to say it

Falcon Momot

05:10

yup

Chris S

Bikers -------> imgur.com/a/HeST2

Olipro

I've remembered more French than I thought I knew

Michael Hampton

14

Q: Misplaced navigation bar and question title

It appears that on Server Fault and Super User, the navigation bar and question title have suddenly become misplaced. The same does not occur on SO and mSO, nor on any of the other SE sites I spot-checked. This is being seen in both Chrome and Firefox and just began occurring within the last few...

Jacob

@ChrisS wow

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton indeed.

Jacob

05:16

@FalconMomot You watch stargate?

Chris S

@MichaelHampton Going on ~150 minutes of DevOps FAIL?

Falcon Momot

@Jacob not since I was a kid.

Michael Hampton

@ChrisS Yeah, I didn't expect it to last quite this long.

Jacob

@FalconMomot wrong show sorry

Falcon Momot

luckily the same answer still applies.

Jacob

05:17

@MichaelHampton The powers that be are asleep

@FalconMomot Teal'c The world is ABOUT TO EXPLODE!?! Indeed.

Falcon Momot

@Jacob those who break prod and go to bed are those who do not awake the next day.

Jacob

@FalconMomot I blew up a password database once and passed out. That was a really bad phone call :(

Falcon Momot

in a perfect world, anyway, they would get murdered in their sleep by ops ninjas

@Jacob that was unwise.

Jacob

@FalconMomot Yes, but it happened

Falcon Momot

well, it is lucky that you are still with us ;)

be careful ;)

Jacob

05:19

@MarkHenderson If you would check your email when you get a minute please.

Falcon Momot

howl

Jacob

@ChrisS @voretaq7 theregister.co.uk/2013/06/25/ps_4_is_freebsd_inside

Olipro

damn, The Register is slow off the mark

Falcon Momot

as ever.

they should change the domain to ofn.com

Olipro

ew, r6816

looks like Sony took FreeBSD from the Git repo and dumped it into subversion

Jacob

05:24

@Olipro weddingshoppeinc.com/pr/Symphony-R6816/37642

??

Olipro

not that it really matters, the code will never see the light of day, unless someone steals or leaks it

Jacob

@Olipro how do you know that

Olipro

what? that it's subversion?

Jacob

@Olipro Yes

Olipro

well, technically, I don't, they could just be using "r6816" as a tag within git

but only masochists do that

Jacob

05:31

vgleaks.com/leak-battlefield-4-alpha-build-screenshots

If the battlefield 4 alpha is leaked I've got the gear to play it... Awesome

Jacob

05:44

Iain

06:41

G'day

Mick Aston :(

Jacob

@Iain He had quite a career

Jenny D

06:55

Morning

RobM

Morning

how's you today @JennyD

Jenny D

@RobM I'm OK. On my last week at work now, having very mixed feelings about it.

How're you @RobM

RobM

07:11

I'm good thanks, it's a nice day here for once and that makes it a bit easier to get the day going I find.

I think you said before you'll miss the people at this job :-(

Jenny D

@RobM Yeah, most of them. Even the boss that I've been complaining about; he's a really nice guy, and I like him a lot more as a friend than as a boss.

RobM

I can understand that, similar thing here in fact.

Jenny D

But I'll keep in touch with the people I like. Already got a few lunch dates set up, making sure to have people on facebook and LinkedIn, and so on

RobM

Yeah that's the idea, keeping in touch with the people you want to is easier these days with all that

Jenny D

@RobM The problem with having a really nice person that wants to get along with everybody as a boss is that as a boss you sometimes need to handle being in conflict with people...

RobM

07:14

yeah, true enough

Jenny D

@RobM It really is. I have a very dear friend who's really ill, and won't be getting better in the foreseeable future. She can't speak on the phone much. Facebook etc have really improved her quality of life!

RobM

07:29

That's good - FB makes it a lot easier to keep in touch with friends and family for me, nothing like as serious as keeping up with a friend who's ill, but still.

Iain

> You have reached the maximum of 30 Deletion votes per day; come back in 16 hours

:( so much shit to delete too

RobM

There always is here @Iain

tombull89

The wonky site header and question title makes things look weird.

RobM

@tombull89 blame devops

faker

morning

RobM

07:41

hi

Jenny D

morning tom, faker, iain

faker

what the gap? the layout of SF looks weird

Jenny D

@faker it is

there's a question about it on Meta

tombull89

@faker HAAAAAX!

Dan

@JennyD I'm really happy how much I see the people from my old work - like you, it was a big concern. I went for a drink with one of them last week and we realised that we met 8 years ago!

Jenny D

07:44

1

Q: renamed home partition volume in osx with diskutil and now cannot login

It's been a long day and I am pretty tired and that's the only reason I can figure that I thought I would rename one of the volumes on this old macbook (running osx 10.6) without worrying about anything else. Actually, it's the /home partition and I inherited the computer from my wife and it's a...

linux osx partition-recovery

bwahahaha!

@Dan I've got on my todo list to mail the people I want to stay in touch with my personal email

Dan

08:15

@JennyD Good stuff!

RobM

08:29

renaming the /home partition stops users from logging into a *nix box. Who knew?

Journeyman Geek

that sounds useful. By which I mean WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THIS?

Mathias R. Jessen

Mornin' guys

What's up with the question titles?

Dan

Broken CSS there

Mathias R. Jessen

Indeed

Jenny D

@MathiasR.Jessen it's already up in meta.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

08:39

@MathiasR.Jessen DevOps™®

Mathias R. Jessen

@JennyD Ahh, I see, found Shanes post at mSO. @DennisKaarsemaker Indeed

Apparently I'm not the only one in favor of freehand-drawn red ellipses :P

Dan

08:55

0

Q: Bind: dns not 'spreaded'

I've elfoip.net with bind $ whois elfoip.net | grep 'Name Server' Name Server: NS.ELFOIP.NET I need elfoip.net be able to serve third levels domain, like mickymouse.elfoip.net, etc... Yes, I'm trying to create an other useless dyndns clone. i've added some third level as A RR. Eg: executi...

bind dns-hosting dyndns

Anyone help this guy?

Iain

@Dan I decided not to get involved. My helpful comment was going to be - if you can't figure this out then perhaps trying to setup a DynDNS clone isn't for you

Dan

@Iain Probably - I just don't know BIND

Iain

@Dan I'm not even finding NS records for his elfoip.net when I query the .net root servers

Dan

@Iain Ah, me either but I thought it was me. Whois reports it's ns.elfoip.net and that does resolve

BUt yeah, somethings fucked there

tombull89

Year 11 leavers' assembly today - ton of students in fancy dress

Dan

09:06

My school banned anything marginally fun involving leaving

But they were cunts.

(Sometimes I think it's quite ironic that I'm entrenched in education because I'm mostly not a fan of how schools and their staff conduct themselves)

tombull89

@Dan Same, really.

Dan

I think they have a major issue with a hugely inflated sense of worth and importance

tombull89

Our year's leaving do was the first one to be done off-site (at a local golf course) because the previous years' wrecked the school hall.

Iain

@Dan education is good - teachers should be paid more

tombull89

@Dan Also there's a lot of students that don't want to learn, you can't force them do.

@Iain good teachers should be paid more.

Iain

09:09

@tombull89 they they should be put in a big play room all day

Dan

@Iain The first I agree with, the second I'm unsure but I did support their strikes

RobM

@dan likewise, quite a few of my old teachers, who are now heads of various schools around here, look quite upset when they work out who the "expert" from the local college who's advising them is.

tombull89

@RobM I didn't get the job at my school because my old head of 6th form put in a word (he wasn't a teacher, just a staff advisor)

Dan

@RobM The day I went back to consult at my old secondary was a nerve racking one. But, actually, it was a really fun project and the IT Coordinator (Who had briefly taught me, and had fallen out hugely with my younger brother) was a pleasure to work with

Jenny D

@Dan It doesn't respond to any DNS queries, which kind of defeats the purpose of a name server...

Dan

09:11

@JennyD Yeah, hence why I asked him if it's definitely his DNS IP. Then I kind of got bored

tombull89

@Iain In the three school's I've worked in theres the staff that stay late, try hard and are liked by the students. Then you've got the others who are just in it for the holidays and do the bare minimum to get through and somehow managed to stay employed even though their supervised OFSTED lesson was awful.

Iain

@tombull89 I have several friends who are teachers and quite frankly they don't get paid anywhere near enough for the shit they have to put up with.

Dan

@Iain See, this is where I struggle. I'm not so left wing as to believe there aren't some seriously hateful children (and parents) out there, so on one hand I'd gladly support more powers for the schools and staff. But, I've also seen the ways that these are massively abused by schools (especially the higher achieving ones) in order to massage figures and make their life easier

Iain

@Dan spare the rod spoil everything

Dan

It's not a job I could do, though

Iain

09:18

Nor me - I have no time for people who aren't interested

tombull89

Interesting...MathOverflow has rejoined as a SE 2.0 site alongside Mathematics.SE.

Dan

@Iain To be fair, though, I was kind of that kid and for that I'm a little annoyed at myself. I sometimes wonder if there should be some kind of gap between primary and secondary education where you do [something else]

On the other hand, I loved college

Journeyman Geek

09:44

eheh

I mostly hated school >_>. Ironically with one exception, I liked most of my teachers ;p

Dan

10:49

1

Q: Why is Iron Man/Tony Stark naming his suits as "Mark 1, Mark 2, Mark 3"?

In the movie Iron Man, why is Iron Man naming his suits as "Mark 1, Mark 2, Mark 3" and so on. how did he came up with that Name?

plot-explanation analysis iron-man

Hehe, bless

Chopper3

@Dan wow

tombull89

Hmm.

Dan

Just noticed he's from the Philippines, so perhaps it's a language barrier thing

tombull89

Dad's going to see The Who (or the majority of them) at Cardiff tonight

Journeyman Geek

@tombull89: they speak perfectly good ~~english~~ american there

Chopper3

10:55

@tombull89 my sister saw them last week, said it was ace

Ethan

Is this a place for live support

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Ethan depends on what you need support with

tombull89

@Ethan Yes, my rates are £90/hour. Plus Tea.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

support in creating new punishments for lusers: yes. Other sysadmin duties as required: no.

tombull89

Depends though.

Ethan

11:03

what should I do with my life

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Ethan become a sysadmin. Punish lusers.

And drink scotch

tombull89

Do a barrell roll!

Ethan

sounds boring

Dan

@Ethan Don't become a sysadmin, you can recreate the experience by simply banging your head against a brick wall whenever you like

3

tombull89

Male escort. Get money, fuck bitches.

Ethan

11:04

lol, I don't get it, but for some reason the violence makes it funny

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Ethan congrats, you passed sysadmin 101

tombull89

@Ethan Sometimes, our jobs can be a painful process. Telling someone not to do something, then watch them do excactly the same thing you just told them not to do. And if something breaks because of what they did, it's your fault.

Chopper3

@Ethan end it all

tombull89

^ this kills the user

Ethan

so, what should I do with my life

tombull89

11:18

@Ethan What do you like doing?

Ethan

I don't really know

tombull89

...

15 mins ago, by tombull89

Male escort. Get money, fuck bitches.

Ethan

@tombull89 what do you do on an average day

Jenny D

I do like being a sysadmin. I'd like it better if I could choose who to work with and what systems to run, but usually both those things are to a greater or lesser extent decided above my pay grade.

Ethan

what does a sysadmin 'do'?

Dan

11:23

@Ethan Posts here, same as everyone else

Ethan

why do you post here

Jenny D

But I think it's also good to try more than one kind of job. I believe that I'm better at my current job as a sysadmin partly because of the things I've learned as a checkout cashier, a forwarding agent, a translator, etc...

@Ethan It depends a bit on where you work, but basically it's "keep the computers running, stable and secure"

as usual the devil is in the details, obviously

Ethan

How did you end up doing that, was that what you planned on doing for sometime?

Jenny D

@Ethan Not when I was young. I've always been interested in messing with computers, but 25 years ago it wasn't as ubiquitous as it is today, and I had no idea where to start... But I somehow always was the go-to person for computer problems wherever I worked. And then I found unix, and really really liked it, and learned enough to get a job at an ISP, and that was my first sysadmin job.

That was in the late 90s.

Ethan

are you religous jenny?

Jenny D

11:26

Yes, but not Christian

Ethan

Why do you live your life

Dan

Dude, you're being a little....forward. Why don't you start and tell us about yourself

Ethan

You can ask me anything

Jenny D

@Ethan What else would I do with it?

@Ethan Does there have to be a point?

Dan

I think you're worrying too much

Do what makes you happy while trying to avoid making other people unhappy

Ethan

11:30

why

Dan

Sorry, are you 12?

Ethan

no

I am 17

Jenny D

:10050954 I don't think there's any point with my life specifically, i.e. there's no higher power having a purpose for me. That makes me free to make up my own mind about what is important in my life.

Ethan

Whats do you mean by higher power

Jenny D

@Ethan I mean that I don't believe in a god who created me for a purpose.

Ethan

11:35

Neither do I lol

Jenny D

So. If nobody created you for a purpose, then you yourself get to decide what is your purpose.

but this is a bit too deep philosophically for me to get much further when I really need to get some more work done...

Ethan

alright conversation is getting boring anyway

Jenny D

gee, thanks

Ethan

I don't understand

Dan

@Ethan It started boring, and reached a height of dullness. I recommend adding some context and input

Ethan

11:39

why are you guys in this chat room

Jenny D

@Ethan If you're spending some time talking to one person and then say that the conversation is boring, it sounds a great deal like your saying that the other person is boring. Which isn't very polite, especially when it's a subject that you yourself started.

Ethan

I don't mean your boring

Dan

How did you find this place?

Journeyman Geek

@Ethan: why not?

Ethan

you mean se in general? or this chat room?

Dan

11:43

If youd on't know, it's merely the chat section of ServerFault - a Stack Exchange site created for pro sys admins

We're here because we identify as pro sysadmins and come here to chat to likeminded people

Sometimes conversation is frantic, othertimes everyone's busy

Ethan

I am very bored

Journeyman Geek

@Ethan: get a hobby!

Iain

@Ethan can you go and be bored somwhere else please ?

2

Journeyman Geek

whittle wood, build mansized rubber band airplanes...

Ethan

@Iain why

Dan

11:45

@Ethan Because we're not here to entertain you

Jenny D

@Iain Seconded

Ethan

I am sorry

Iain

@Ethan we're not child minders

anyway another one joins the list - 19 now :)

Journeyman Geek

o0

Jenny D

@Iain ignore list?

Ethan

11:51

Iain are you mad at me

Chopper3

0

Q: Firewall: Hardware vs Firmware

What is the main difference between hw and sw firemare ? using a BSD firewall distro (ex. pfsense) is a good choose as using an hw firewall (ex. a cisco one ) ? if not why ? So basically what is the best choose ?

firewall pfsense

Dan

@Iain That's everyone that comes here. Am I on it :(

Chopper3

kill

tombull89

@Ethan I get up, I go to work, I do my job, I come home, I play computer games for a bit, and then I go to bed.

It's not particularly exciting but it does the job.

Travis

@Ethan Dude..seriously? You're 17 years old, getting ready to maybe graduate high school and you're coming into an IT professional chat asking what to do with your life? That's what parents and guidance counselors are for. Asking what you should do in IT is what we are here for. Asking someone wtf their purpose in life is?! You make me want to fuckin' cuss!

Ethan

11:57

why

Mike

So you just click he ignore user everywhere and they go away?

Nice feature

Journeyman Geek

ooh

Mike

And Gone

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mike

I think he has mommy and daddy issues

Travis

11:58

Want to know IT? I came in yesterday to a phone call where our dumbass receptionist is telling me her ef'in computer is ef'in typing on its own. This dumbass was watching an ef'in tutorial video on how to order toner cartridges and has done it THREE ef'in times and can't figure out why the ef they haven't come in yet! A god damn tutorial video! She can't figure out it's a god damn video!

Ethan

why do I have to attach an email if I want to downvote a question

tombull89

You...don't?

Travis

^

Ethan

I do

Journeyman Geek

lol

Travis

11:59

probably on the watch list

Ethan

it says 'thanks for the feed back'

tombull89

On ServerFault? Likely because you don't have an account on it, only on Maths.SE

Ethan

then it says get our news letter

somthing else somthing somthing

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