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gravatar appears to be borked for me :/

(bitchassness)

I think this is a question that's better off in Server Fault chat.

How do I link to chat on the main site? Isn't there some wizardry that allows this?

@ewwhite: from what I recall, too many comments

Dammit, I was eaten by a grue!

Hah, just found this comment in the middle of a 3,000 line javascript file

I'm going to post a snippet from wRok...

A client is getting their vSphere servers updated with RAM... 96GB to 192GB...

@jscott Huh, neat. I wonder if they need an ops guy.

I wonder where the kid is that used to be one of their ops dudes in the mid nineties. I should LinkedIn search him

The memory upgrades for <not Brazzers> are ongoing, the last batch is burning in at the work table. There are 3 packs of memory labeled for them on top of the server burning in. These have the same lot numbers and are ready to be used when the time comes.

Holy shit he's a second degree connection. =)

Sr. Integration Engineer at Internap NYC

@WesleyDavid oh my.

Do you all "burn-in" your RAM?

@ewwhite Nope, who has time for that?

@ewwhite Never

If it's faulty I sent that fucker back

But how often do you have faulty ram?

Heh, I sent him a connection invite.

Wow, the memories.

the RAM hasn't completed its burn-in process, so the installation was just cancelled.

@MarkHenderson More often than disk failures (in servers)

I can't believe we spent so much time doing this.

(Supermicro)

The last RAM related issue I had to turned out to be a PSU issue - after an upgrade from 16 to 64Gb of RDIMMs and the 450w PSU couldn't hack it. Upgraded it a 1kw PSU and all was fine

@ewwhite Really??

It took me 3 months to diagnose that issue though

looks like lvm + degraded RAID = sad panda

This is a great HP selling point, right? Open the RAM, insert into server... Profit.

@MarkHenderson That's a tricky situation.

@ewwhite It's RAM... do you actually need to do that with a supermicro?

@ShaneMadden Yes, really...

Apparently, we do? I mean, there's a RAM burn-in station and we track memory lot numbers.

@ewwhite Moreover, I once sent back [accidentally] non-HP-oem RAM per a support call. HP was kind enough to not charge us for shipping both ways.

@ewwhite I mean, does supermicro say to, or is someone ridiculously paranoid?

I've always relied on ECC alerts... and definitely gotten to the RAM before it failed... replaced under HP warranty.

I can understand thrashing spinning disks for a while to catch some of the fast fails. But doing that with RAM is dumb.

@ShaneMadden The RAM looks the same as HP.. Hynix and Samsung.

@ewwhite So tell your boss it's a dumb waste of time and effort.

@ShaneMadden I can back his dislike of SuperMicro... There's a reason it's cheaper

@ShaneMadden But remember that the Supermicro gear doesn't have the nice monitoring tie-ins... so I'm assuming we've had failures.

@Jacob Sure, but the RAM is still RAM.

I just can't understand the inconsistency... we burn-in our RAM and disks, but don't have both power supplies plugged-in... or we don't monitor IPMI/temperature/fans...

@ewwhite But "burning in" the RAM isn't going to help detect bad RAM.

@ewwhite Yeah.. that's insane.

@ShaneMadden a pinto is as much of a car as a VW Jetta is, but I would be much happier with the Jetta.

@ShaneMadden no?

@Jacob Have you ever seen a pinto in the wild?

@JoelESalas Yes

@Jacob You're comparing the HP server against the Supermicro server, I agree. But the RAM?

@Jacob Amazing, they're exceedingly rare

I've never seen a Pinto in the wild and I'm 30

Fucking Pintos.

I have!

Not the bean

@ShaneMadden OK I concede, the RAM is most likely to be the same, but I'd test the gear.

A friend flipped her Pinto on the highway...

it didn't explode!

Then it wasn't a Pinto.

@ewwhite It won't tell you anything a POST sweep of the RAM won't. You're not "exercising" it in the same way you are with a disk

@ewwhite Nah it's the sparks up the rear end that do it... like I tell all my girlfriends

@ewwhite That's truly extraordinary, infact that's impossible.

@ShaneMadden Does that depend on how they test the RAM?

@ShaneMadden So a single test pass and onto production it seems?

@ewwhite all set

@ewwhite 2013 and still driving a Pinto? What kinda ghetto-fab friends do you have?

I had a friend in college who drove a Pinto. It's amazing she survived.

@ewwhite RAM don't care. If you're lucky you might heat it up enough to force a failure of some kind I guess?

hmm, time to test on real hardware

HAHA

@RyanRies You are a sad little man.

@RyanRies Let's start a club.

If you look on Serverfault, the devs screwed up the layout. The Question button on question pages is too far to the right.

@Zypher This is why we don't let devs push the magic button! When you do you see the magic smoke!

could be intentional

It's squared to the right side of the element

@Jacob Sure! I mean, if it makes it as far as installing an OS image, then I trust the RAM, the CPU, the RAID controller, etc just as much as every other production server in my environment. Not gonna find faults running for hours - you'll find them running for months or years.

Ah, my friend's Pinto died because she seized the engine.

@WesleyDavid Sad Little Man's Club? Or shall we say... Sad Little Gentlemen's Club?

@RyanRies Let me think on that.

@RyanRies Reminds me of the sign on a strip club I saw while driving around Seattle once: "14 pretty girls and one ugly one!"

Sad Gentlmen's Little Club?

hehehe

@MDMarra As a sales engineer I understand how sometimes you confuse bug with feature...

That doesn't look like it was purposefully done.

@WesleyDavid The secret is that they're all wearing flannel, shorts, and sandals with wool socks.

DevOops

@MichaelHampton BroOps!! flexes

@MDMarra excellent! Did you fix ALL THE THINGS?!?

@Jacob As someone whose obviously missed a lot of the other terrible design changes that Jin has been making, I understand how you might assume that it's automatically a bug.

@ewwhite Ya, you should be good

Half the title lives to the right of the buttons

@ewwhite do you want a summary email?

@MDMarra only if you did something cool

nope standard stuff. turned ipv6 back on, enabled AD recycle bin, made OUs, redirected the default containers to OUs, etc

Last-Modified:Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:19:21 GMT

@MDMarra That was pretty funny, but you realize I have to take every opportunity to call you a sales engineer

:)

@MDMarra Why'd you turn IPv6 back on

Because you should never turn it off on windows

it breaks things

@ShaneMadden I live in 'MERICA! I ain't know nothing about them Europeans and their stupid GMT time!

orly. Did not know

yeah

MS only tests with dual stack

Whoah, whoah. @Jacob - are you a sales engineer? Or a linux sysadmin? Or a windows sysadmin? Or a hardware guy? Or a network engineer? Or a hosting provider? I keep losing track...

even if you leave it on and let it autoconfig a link local, that's best practice

@MarkHenderson all of the above?

See, @MDMarra is handling business

@JoelESalas As fixer of ALL THE THINGS, @MDMarra knows everything about Windows/

Now I don't have to learn things

All you need to know is my Paypal address. Nice and easy

@MarkHenderson You need a better memory then

@MDMarra Why do you use PP, don't the fees bother you?

Every time I get paid via Paypal, I don't light my next cigar with a $50. It works out.

@MarkHenderson You forgot the straw games purchaser so you don't have to pay island mark up.

I'm really conflicted over this burn-in thing.

@MarkHenderson The real trick is to just claim to be whatever highly specialized expert you want to be in order to win an argument.

@ScottPack WHY?!? @ScottPack WHY?!? That was the most useful strategy ever, and you told EVERYONE!!!

@MDMarra Can I have the 50$?

How will I light my cigar?

@MDMarra I use bearer bonds.

@Jacob It's either lighting my cigar or going to paypal fees

There's nothing left over

I thought PayPal was free so long as you didn't invoice shit.

@MDMarra One client sends me money and checks "personal" - no fees. I don't like it when he does that. =/

In fact, I got some cash from him a few hours ago.

Oh wells.

@MDMarra Use another type of flammable material?

Not my problem.

@WesleyDavid Why not?

Dammit Boston!

Just roll up a stack of bitcoins and light away.

@WesleyDavid I think that only happens if you do Personal > Gift

I used to get PP that way when selling TF2 hats

@ScottPack Starred for truth

@MarkHenderson Truth! It's what's for dinner!

@ScottPack I think it's against PayPal's policies

what the actual hell BOSTON?!

Three goals by chicago in 40 seconds.

Sonuva...

@MDMarra I dunno - it skeeves me since it's lying. Like I said, it's not my problem so to speak, but still.

@WesleyDavid Ah, that would make sense. The wife has often used PayPal feeless to transfer money between family members. Makes it way easier for us to go in halvies on gifts.

Sorry, two goals in 17.

Wow, that was horrible.

@ewwhite Blackhawks, Stanley Cup champs, 2013.

=(

Is that curling?

OK, so... hopefully this is not just something from my generation, but behold ye and despair: youtube.com/watch?v=l12Csc_lW0Q&feature=player_embedded

@WesleyDavid Meh... Black people don't like hockey...

@RyanRies Where was that ever popular.

@ewwhite That's racist!!

@WesleyDavid Truth != racist

@ewwhite Did you see that finish? Crazy.

@ewwhite Can't it be both?

@ShaneMadden nope... writing stupid SF questions.

I just wish that I could somehow get inside you guys' heads and convey to you how much I laughed my fucking ass off the first time I saw that.

@RyanRies Still better musical stylings than Friday or Nickleback.

THIS IS HOW, YOU REMIND ME

@ShaneMadden I'm going to be depressed for a week. =(

@ewwhite That's racist!!

@WesleyDavid He's smiling!

@RyanRies OF WHO I REALLY AM... THIS IS HOW...THIS IS HOW

@WesleyDavid Boston fan, huh?

I found out from my manager today that I have to stay in my current (from line support) role for a minimum of one year... sigh...

@ShaneMadden Actually, no - I just hate Chicago teams. =P

@KevinSoviero ...normal.

@ShaneMadden Plus, the bombings and all, would have been nice to see them win.

Sometimes I wish more IT people would have spent more time as front line support.

I was rolling on the floor the first time I saw that Chacaron video many years ago. As for Nickelback... well... hey... before all the hate... some of their early demo tapes pre-2000 were actually pretty good. Though I disavow all knowledge of what they have since become.

@WesleyDavid Yeah true. I was hoping they'd take this one and go to 7.

@KevinSoviero Front line support for web hosting isnt too bad.

@ShaneMadden :'(

Two goals, 17 seconds. Talk about a roller coaster.

Someone hold me.

@Jacob Yes... Yes it is...

@KevinSoviero I'm there too. Granted I am a sysad who does the support stuff as well.

All too often I'll be trying to work out a problem with somebody and they clearly have no idea what it's like to have to, you know, deal with customers or even be a customer.

@Jacob How many years do you have under your belt working with Linux?

ok, time to break real hardware. finally.

@ScottPack I only know what it's like to be awesome.

@KevinSoviero 2.5 as a person in a professional capacity.

@WesleyDavid I find that hard to believe.

@ScottPack That's not what you said last night!!

@Jacob I have 5 years... I don't want to do front line support.

@KevinSoviero I've been using Linux much longer than that, but do you have work experience to show?

@Jacob IT consulting, volunteering, corporate employee, etc.

@Jacob linkedin.com/pub/kevin-soviero/3b/9a6/6bb

@KevinSoviero Can I see a copy of your resume?

@Jacob I also forgot to mention school as well...

@ShaneMadden Here's a treat!

I burn in all my ram no matter what the system is going to be used for.

@ScottPack If a stick of RAM survives a blow torch, then it can handle anything!

When you care enough to use the very best.

@KevinSoviero I only see one year in corporate IT. The rest is all a consultancy owned by you. Lack of a degree is an issue too.

It's like the Rip Torn approach to dodgeball coaching.

@Jacob I know only a few people in IT with a related degree... And consultancy counts too... More-so in my opinion since I'm exposed to more.

@ScottPack suuure

@KevinSoviero from what a large amount of people have told me related degree doesn't matter, degree does

@Jacob Well, I won't subscribe to that line of thought... Seems like a rule made up by higher-ups who don't want to believe their degree was a waste of time and money.

@ewwhite It's a joke, son.

Mapp Gas for the muthafuckin win

@KevinSoviero I don't like it either trust me, but they're the higher ups

Ooops, got another one of these...

"We have received an alert that SNMP are not running correctly on scrog-db1. We require the SNMP service to run to receive critical information on the health of servers. A reboot is reboot in order for us to resolve this issue. Please let us know when we may proceed with the reboot. Thank you."

@Jacob I've never even had a lack of degree questioned on any job interview I've done. And I've been offered a job at every one I've applied for except one... Damn WP Engine.

Damnit, I want to star some comments more than once

@KevinSoviero I'm just entering college, I can only tell you what I've been told..

@Jacob You mean to say that the college is telling you that you need college!?

I'm getting a bit defensive... Time for bed... Night all!

@ewwhite scrog?

@ScottPack ;)

@ewwhite Perv.

I'm jealous of @Jacob, I'm feeling a little nostalgic... there's a lot of shit I wish I could go back in time and do over again.

@ewwhite /etc/init.d/snmpd restart - CRAZINESS

@Olipro right?

I think back about all the things that I would want to change, but then consider how my life would be different. There is no doubt that had almost any of those changes been made I would not be with my wife. I think it's worth the missteps and embarrassing memories.

I hope you're looking forward to the followup e-mail after they do it - "I accidentally the server"

@RyanRies I would re-do everything. I'd be fine with missing out on everyone I've met so far, and things I've done. If I could retain knowledge of this future, go back to being 12, and redo it, everything would be different.

I've fucked up so much over the years... but it's hard to envision any better outcome.

My life has been one vast series of wrecks, calamities, and idiocy.

@WesleyDavid D=

@Olipro done!

in a parallel universe, you co-founded Oracle... then kicked Larry out for being a psycho jerk and MySQL is the most beloved database ever.

@Ryan Ma FiOS is out HALP

So, @Jacob, based on everything else you've said I figure you're probably an licensed Electrical Engineer as well. How do you feel about installing a new panel?

so in many ways, Oracle is your fault.

My logic is infalliable.

@Scott I've installed one with my dad before. Pay me and I'll do it :)

I don't get Oracle. Who gives them so much money?

@WesleyDavid @ScottPack Yeah... I think about it often... but I also very much sympathize with Scott... for me personally, I think that no matter how we could go back and do things differently, we would just end up in another state of misery. I think that the final state of things is misery, or regret. If I went back and made different choices, then I would just end up in a new maelstrom of unfortunate coincidences that I never thought of that would always lead, ultimately, back to regret.

God dam it Verizon ten minute wait time to ask you to cycle the ont

@Kevin George (Zypher) spend 1.5 hours convincing me to go

jeez, it's like suicide watch in here

Fuck I scarcely realized how depressing I was to be around -- sorry guys!

@Olipro right?

@Ryan can you cycle my ONT PLZPLZ PLZ

Shape up, people!

@RyanRies It depends on if I could retain knowledge of the future. If it was like Quantum Leap and I remembered the past, I'd do it. Do it with no hesitation. Right now. Slap the button, pow, twenty years in the past and go form there.

@RyanRies It's such a weird thing to think about. I think back about the kind of person I was at 15-20 and am embarrassed by large swaths of it. Not because I was a bad person, but just because I was so fucking clueless.

Just 10 years ago I would have wanted to go back and fix those problems. Now, I start to realize that all 15-20 year olds are clueless putzes and that those mistakes are what made me who I am today.

If it was going back in the past, with only like a single sheet of bulleted things to tell myself... ehhhh... maybe.

I kind of like who I am.

@ScottPack I was a bad person.

@WesleyDavid so, basically, buy shares in Microsoft, Starbucks, Google etc and do sod all

When I can type it out on the computer I'll explain ; trust me on this I'm different, not better than you at age x

and there'd be the pleasure of getting to invent Facebook before Zuckerberg does it, but obviously that'd be its own reward.

@ScottPack Yeah. I agree. It's a mindfuck; time is. Without all your dumbass decisions you've made, you wouldn't be you. If you were able to change them all, you'd be something... unrecognizable.

@Olipro I would say "Just leave. Go here. Expect this." - "Fucking recruit." - "Learn these skills." - and yes, "Buy Apple at $7 a share"

@RyanRies I'm fine with not being me. =P

lol

Verizon you stink

I'd probably have just told myself "Turn down the hot french girl. Totally not worth it"

@RyanRies If doesn't even need to be all of them either. The only reason I met her is because I went to school for theatre. If they hadn't created a CS program for me to switch into my senior year we never would have met.

you can see a person's traits from their choice of gravatar, so @WesleyDavid must be a massive derp

@Olipro I am a massive derp.

@RyanRies I was all set to go someplace entirely different and study CS from the outset, but decided to do theatre instead. I ended up in the same profession, just with some lovely baggage to go along with it.

vindication!

on a totally random note, the Rasperry Pi is an excellent pocket router/VPN/firewall device

@RyanRies Funny you should bring this topic up. I think about it a lot and in disturbing detail. =P

@oli what os do you use?

Gentoo

Gross

@Olipro KILL THE INFIDEL!!

@Olipro STAB STAB STAB THE UNCLEAN ONE!!!

noobs

Well if it makes you feel any better, if I ever had an honest conversation with a person who didn't have baggage, I wouldn't be able to respect them as much as a person. We all have baggage. Even the wealthiest people in the world - money doesn't really mean anything - your life is still hard. Everyone's life is hard.

and building my own kernel, with the modules I need

I enjoy being able to pick the exact compile-time options that I need

@RyanRies By baggage I actually was referring to my family. :)

So's your mom.

USB RNDIS tethering to the RasPi, OpenVPN L2 to home router, Ethernet bridge to the NIC port, connected to my laptop

@ScottPack So's my face.

it's like I'm at home, without being at home

@WesleyDavid With that haircut? Truth.

@ScottPack High and tight for someone low and loose.

@WesleyDavid You seriously do have a GIF for everything. It's disturbing. I'm out here, trying to discuss the myth of Sisyphro and St. Anselm and whatever... and you already have it all covered in gif form...

Exactly.

@WesleyDavid How many 2 litre bottles would that be?

@ScottPack: all of them?

I'd love to have some context on that gif ;p

damn, that's like... Chernobyl meets Watership Down

Poor deer. Got vaporized.

That deer is a poor dear

audible groan

I'm out, rock stars.

Laters...

Sweet dreams

I'll just leave this here

I'll bet he's a douche.

douchechill.

doucheschooner

That was a mistake. I can't think of the word schooner without thinking of Mallrats.

We will succumb

to the CLOUD

@WesleyDavid omg I just alt-tab back here, saw that, and on the radio was an epic guitar solo

It was meant to be!

introducing: the decentralized private cloud with baked-in encryption, it's called Dark Clouds

@WesleyDavid I will end you.

I just realized joeqwerty has a shit ton of reputation, yet I have never once seem in chat. Not a chatty fellow. :(

@RyanRies He's a nice guy - I know him from other forums and nagged him to come over here.

@RyanRies What do you expect from Clevelanders?

Dang, I'm not supposed to be here.

Someone ban me please.

caught by the boss?

Also 'seem' has now somehow become 'seen him'

@WesleyDavid Why not?

@ShaneMadden I'm supposed to be on the treadmill.

@WesleyDavid Get to it.

get a laptop and multitask, pussy

Ban me!!

B-b-b-b-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-n-n-n-n-n-n M-m-m-m-m-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e

I'm pushing 250lb weights as I type this, legit.

@MARK!

So apparently my ont is "disabled" and verizon s network techs don't answer the phone

@WesleyDavid Don't have room owner.

@WesleyDavid I recommend you grow a pair of dangly bits and leave on your own.