The Comms Room

Dan

08:00

@RobM Not too bad - spent the last week unloading and unpacking boxes on a building site. An interesting change of pace, but I'm glad to be back in the office!

Chopper3

@Jacob our's aren't any more though, they're about $14k/pa

Jacob

@Chopper3 pa?

Chopper3

per-annum, per year

Dan

@Jacob Per annum (Grr)

Jacob

ah

I'm in about 20K/Yr

tombull89

08:01

@Chopper3 Come Friday (payday) I'll be pre-ordering BF4.

Jacob

I'm going to an out of state school

and amazon will be shipping me ALL THE THINGS

Dan

BF4 looks very cool, but i've not decided what next-gen route to take. PC, XBox or PlayStation. I've near enough rules out XBox because, despite the u-turn, they showed themselves to be idiots regarding DRM

Chopper3

@tombull89 I did the day it was announced :) you know what a BF3-whore I am

tombull89

The only reason I want a Xbone is for Halo 5. And that's not enought to warrant me getting one.

RobM

@dan why were you on a building site? part of a new build

Chopper3

08:03

@Dan I don't want the Kinect - I hate PS3 SO much due to the software but the PS4 physically would fit in nicer than the mammoth XBO - so I'm kinda-loyal to MS but can imagine a PS4 in my house more easily - that said there's not next-gen-specific games I'm especially excited about

RobM

@Chopper3 has he got a few interesting unis picked out then?

Chopper3

@RobM ox, camb, durham, manc, harvard and dartmouth

Dan

@RobM Yeah, new academy. They had their kit delivered and I, somehow, got roped into it! Oh well, I'll call back the favour on my project later on!

RobM

Actually I'm not sold on either next-gen console. The games I'm really excited about will also be coming out on PC... Watch_dogs and, though its not been announced for PC yet as far as I know, we all know GTA 5 will be there.

@Chopper3 that's a good mix

tombull89

Jun 12 at 8:04, by tombull89

The games I'm most looking forward to is Mirror's Edge 2, Star Wars Battlefront, Battlefield 4, Destiny, Halo 5, and Watch Dogs.

I'm hoping Watch Dogs is on PC...

Jacob

08:06

@Chopper3 I have no idea how cancer must be mentally/physically, but the one thing we do share is daily reminders. Do you have my email?

speaking of Uni, accommodations I got for my disability are pretty useful

RobM

@tombull89 watchdogs is coming to PC - I've got it preordered

Jacob

@RobM It's weird, MS backtracked on all the things with X-BONE

RobM

@Jacob I think they were truly shocked at the feedback they were getting - not just what people said but how angry people were.

Jacob

@RobM They talked about cheaper games, but I don't see it

Dan

@RobM The fact that they were shocked says it all to me

RobM

08:11

I know a lot of people who are not convinced by the xbox one in the UK because the announcement was pitched at it being a living room device for the US market... nothing wrong with that as such, but I think a lot of big companies sometimes forget that they're on a worldwide stage these days

Chopper3

@Jacob they did and they didn't - the whole DRM/secondary-market thing was something that MS and Sony had agree, in private, they'd both do - it only works if both do - but Sony dropped it all that very last minute, leaving MS high-and-dry - neither party wants a second-hand market, not for them but for their developers, who were pissed off by Sony quite a bit

Dan

@RobM I also don't want my XBox to be my one device does all

I already have a Tivo box (I hate that, too) which isn't going anywhere because that's how I get my TV. So, I just want my XBox to be a brilliant games console

Chopper3

@Dan I have literally no idea what MS are doing with the HDMI-in port, makes no sense to me at all

Jacob

@Chopper3 Yeah, I can see how that works. Though the consumer level 'net isn't ready for game downloads

Dan

@Chopper3 Nor me, I just want a fucking games console

Jacob

08:14

I mean I have fiber, but I don't want to wait 30 hours for a game @Uni

Dan

I don't mind the movie streaming, I guess that works okay, but I've only used it twice.

RobM

@dan I like the "one box does everything" idea if it does all the things I want and it does them well. I don't want "one box does nearly everything badly" - I'd rather it was just a honest to goodness games console if thats the alternative

Jacob

The peeping camera doesn't sound too awesome either

Dan

@RobM Yeah, to be fair, I'm kind of assuming it won't do "all the things well" because they never asked me what I wanted it to do. Perhaps they'll surprise me - but unless I can hook up a portable hard drive and watch nearly any video format, like XBMC, then they've already lost

RobM

@dan exactly - I have a mac mini under my tv with plex on it, and I seriously doubt it will be a better media centre than that, in which case its wasting my time by being any kind of media centre at all

Dan

08:16

Mind you, I am getting more and more annoyed by the fact that they hate us doing what we want with games once they're purchased. To be honest, it just makes me want to pirate stuff

I'd have sold Sim City by now, if I could, because I never really play it

RobM

@Jacob I think a lot of the talk about the camera spying on you is hyperbole but to me, Kinect sucks anyway. I don't want to spend money on one. The idea of talking to my TV or waving my arms around in the air doesn't appeal to me. I already have a device that allows me to control my TV by motion... it's called a TV remote and it only requires me to move one finger.

Dan

@RobM I got Kinect because it was brand new when I finally got an XBox and I've, genuinely, never ever used it since the first month

I do sometimes speak to it, and that works okay, but none of the rest seems useful.

RobM

@dan Mine's still plugged in because I can't be asked to unwire it round the back of my TV unit but its disabled.

Jacob

@RobM Do I think that they're going to spy on people? No. Do I avoid cameras anyway? Yes. Notice my Gravatar is 6 years old

Dan

@RobM Clever tech, but far too gimmicky

And my living room isn't really big enough unless I start moving coffee tables

RobM

08:20

And being an anti-social sysadmin stereotype, I'm not interested in "social" gameplay. I don't mind the odd blast on World of Tanks or suchlike but by and large I play games to get away from having to deal with people.

And I work in a college. If I want to hear lots of teenagers shout abuse at me, I'll just go to work.

Jenny D

@RobM I play WoW but since I'm a guild leader I am able to keep the guild reasonably free of irritating people

RobM

@jacob totally agree. I got a kinect because it sounded cool but I would never use it as a camera. I don't use skype so thats not a selling point for me either

Dan

Haha, I like my online Battlefield but I never get "involved" with anything or anyone

tombull89

@Dan I like playing as a semi-efficent squad, but I've never got into the whole voice-comms and co-ordernation stuff. Which is kinda annoying when you get steamrolled by a couple of squads that are.

RobM

I've got nothing against the online games like battlefield and wow, they're just not for me. I tried that star wars one and just got fed up with it in the end. I wanted to kill everyone who talked to my character after a while

Dan

08:24

@tombull89 When I first got BF3, I thought about joining a clan as I used to be quite "involved" with soem Counter-Strike stuff (God, I fucking loved that game. Nothing has come close since, IMHO) but they all seemed to be really mental, and take the whole thing far too seriously. Doesn't really go well with someone who'll turn on the XBox every second Wednesday and play for a couple of hours

Jacob

3

Anyone whose played GTA will get that one

Falcon Momot

how Russian :P

RobM

too bloody true. Roman and his bowling.

tombull89

Hey! Cousin! Let's Go Bowling!

Jacob

You'll be in a massive firefight and all of a sudden... RING RING RING " HEY NIKO YOU WANT A GO PLAY SOME DARTS?

MikeyB

08:33

@Jacob LOL ahhhhhhhhhhhhh got it.

tombull89

Jacob

@tombull89 You forgot MPEG-2

The bonus points on a 10K purchase are going to be awesome

Dan

09:39

0

A: DNS wildcard entry from *.domain.com to www.domain.com

If you want to redirect all subdomains to your www subdomain, you can set the A-Record for the wildcard(and the @ record, if you want the domain without any subdomain redirected, too). But keep in mind you have to do the redirect on the server!

Perhaps my answer wasn't clear enough :(

dawud

@Dan I feel your pain

0

A: Configure selinux to allow snmpd to read to a custom location

First of all, you probably don't need to write a custom module at all. I would place the script in one of the places SELinux expects to find executables, to start with, and only if that is not possible, using the output of audit2allow (and not audit2why, which gives a human friendly message, but...

Jacob

I should probably go to bed now

Jenny D

10:13

@Dan Or perhaps someone is trying to get their rep up by basically repeating the same answer and hoping to get upvotes.

Dan

@JennyD Most likely!

Jenny D

@Dan I spent a whole rep point downvoting him... evil

Iain

Having multiple answers say the same (or similar things) isn't a problem

for example serverfault.com/questions/138836/…

Olipro

10:31

my server is broken, plz halp!

Iain

@Olipro remove CPanel

Olipro

one does not simply remove cPanel

Journeyman Geek

/me throws a concrete life preserver at @Olipro

Olipro

cPanel is like herpes - once you've got it, it's with you for life

tombull89

@Olipro have you tried turning it off and back on again?

Iain

10:35

@Olipro who mentioned it being simple

Olipro

@tombull89 people get upset when you do that to core routers

Iain

@Olipro your core router runs CPanel ?

3

Olipro

tries to think of wacky new direction to take this joke

Yes.

Iain

@Olipro wow that's wacky

tombull89

I don't think fire is good enough, looks like Thermite is your best bet.

Olipro

10:42

you know there's probably someone out there with a box running cPanel and quagga operating as a shared webserver and core router for the rest of their equipment

Cheaper Than Cisco!(TM)

Iain

@Olipro the probability of that happening cannot be less than 1

Journeyman Geek

@Olipro: quagga? (I looked it up, I get what it is, I'm obviously missing the true horror of what this is)

Olipro

it's a horribly inappropriate usage/combination

Journeyman Geek

ahh right

Olipro

I hope nobody ever asks you to design a network :P

Journeyman Geek

10:51

oh, totally not my current speciality anyway

well, if I had one ;p

Dennis Kaarsemaker

that's an actual flag of a place in russia

Olipro

first I lolled, then I wutted even harder

Dennis Kaarsemaker

Zheleznogorsk, Krasnoyarsk Krai

Zheleznogorsk () is a closed town in Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russia, with a developed nuclear industry. It was formerly known as Krasnoyarsk-26 (). Population: History The town was established in 1950 for the production of weapons-grade plutonium. The history of the town and the associated defense complex are intertwined. In 1959, the Government created there under M.F. Reshetnev supervision the Eastern office of OKB-1 (further NPO PM - the satellite manufacturer). Defense plants included nuclear facilities built within caverns excavated in the granite mountain on the norther edge of the ci...

Olipro

It's a Russian Eureka

(as in, the place in the TV series of the same name)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

heh

Olipro

11:00

gee, quiet Monday

...let's all be thankful

tombull89

@DennisKaarsemaker Looks like a pokemon.

ewwhite

@DennisKaarsemaker See here.

Dan

11:46

Took my GoPro out with the motorbike over the weekend - very happy with the quality

A bit of an expensive toy, but y'know

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@WesleyDavid youtube.com/watch?v=USHsFv8nNSA

Cole

12:14

Morning

Travis

holy crap good morning you buncha freakin' smart peeps!

Stack Exchange

Standalone Sysadmin: Welcome Back! Here are your toys!

posted on June 24, 2013 by Matt Simmons

I've returned to Boston from what was a pretty eventful vacation in South Carolina. While I was gone, a ton of toys arrived and are just waiting for me to play with them. My core switch is kind of sad. It's an antiquated 6509, which is End of Life'd. Also, I've got 21 racks and [...]

Travis

@Dan I use them on my race car. Found a different one that I may like better

@Dan It's called the ION

Dan

@Travis Oh, how come?

Travis

Looks simpler and has good night quality

No more press and hold to turn on or off. Just has a slider. Either's in "record" or "stop"

FML! A user called and asked if I was messing with their screen. No? Well the mouse is moving and typing things in. VNC over...uhhh....this is a video. Yeah, I know see how it's moving and entering things in.....uhhh...yeah...it's a video... I let it put orders in for 3 weeks now and they never show up....uhhh..yeah...it's a video. What? It is a video!

Dan

12:28

Ah, I can see that. I like the extra features on the Go Pro with time lapse, etc and the mounting options

@Travis 0.o Whoa.

Travis

I saw the ION one on some dirt track cars on TV. They used to use GoPro but they switched over.

It was an online tutorial from Ricoh showing you how to properly order from their new website...she couldn't tell.... even though it had video controls and she couldn't click anything

Dan

@Luka That's the worst thing I've ever seen and exposes you straight back to huge security vulnerabilities. — Dan 12 secs ago

Why do people insist on hurting themselves

Travis

Let them call a lawyer. That's like suing chevrolet because they no longer make the impala.... Oh..but you used to and I want a 2015 impala!...uhh..it's not even 2015 yet...I don't care! I'm calling my lawyer

Nathan C

@Luka My advice: Dump the client. It's obvious they don't care about security and allowing this behavior exposes you to huge risk. — Nathan C 14 secs ago

:P

tombull89

@NathanC I was gonna say sack the client too

Travis

12:34

yep

Like telling a bank they need to keep the vault open 24 hours and you don't care if it's guarded or not, you want access to your money any time

Journeyman Geek

actually, ^ that

RobM

There's nothing wrong with sacking the client. The hassle some people generate is not worth the bit of money they pay.

Dan

@RobM Agreed

And it literally doesn't exist in the latest versions

Travis

He did say he hasn't upgraded to the latest so it is an available function..but i still say let them sue

Cole

What a weekend. Marilyn Manson, shooting range, swimming and Iron Man 3.

Nathan C

12:37

@Cole sounds like lots of time for activities! heh

Cole

It was great.

Dan

@Travis Yeah, but I mean at best he's just buying a little time

Nathan C

Yesterday I vegetated in front of the computer all day, then went to bed early because of a migraine (probably from said computer)

Travis

yep

Cole

Abby gave me my ring back she had given me - and started wearing hers again. So there's that.

Dan

12:38

I rode a couple of hundred miles in the rain, but it was fun

Cole

@Dan when did you say you were coming to NY?

Dan

@Cole August 20th

Cole

@Dan If you still want to meet up, let me know. I can take a few days vaca.

Dan

@Cole Cool, will let you know closer

Cole

Sweet

tombull89

12:41

Friday evening was a slob-out - parents had gone to a evening wedding do so after I dropped them out I got a pizza and had a couple of rounds of Battlefield.

Saturday evening went out for a friends birthday - her girlfriend is spanish so we all went for tapas which I've not had before and quite enjoyed.

Dan

I love Tapas

Cole

My old roommate's brother owns a Tapas restaurant.

They're Portuguese, so good.

dawud

12:58

Whenever you guys want to enjoy tapas, come to Madrid to spend a week. I'll show you around.

Travis

I don't even know what a tapas is

tombull89

DAT PHOTOSHOP

Cole

haha

Coworker comes over "DAMN!"

tombull89

I don't know who it is. Should I?

Cole

I don't either

but, DAT ASS

Travis

13:06

^-

tombull89

Would you rather eat a ton of Jelly babies or a Matter baby?

TheCleaner

0

Q: How do I set up DNS for an intranet web site?

I have a web site running on our local server, 'OBAMA'. In my hosts file on that server, I map engenxt.local to 127.0.0.1, so typing engenxt.local on that machine itself brings up the website. I would like other machines to access the site via domain name 'engenxt'. On a Windows Server 2008 R2 S...

Cole

@tombull89 wat.

TheCleaner

I have a web site running on our local server, 'OBAMA'.

Cole

@TheCleaner LOL

Travis

13:10

o_O...border line NSFW so open carefully noboysallowed.03sbgt.com/2013/06/21/…

tombull89

@Cole the correct response is "what's a matter baby", to the reply is "nothing, honey, I'm fine. How are you?"

Cole

hahaha

TheCleaner

I bet the intranet homepage requires you to set up auto-draft on your paycheck just to sign in.

Travis

lol

Another perfect question for MDMarra if he were here

TheCleaner

I don't believe in answering questions for users whose gravatar is a shirtless man.

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tombull89

13:16

@TheCleaner he looks stoned

TheCleaner

Based on his location, I'm guessing drunk and watching soccer.

Chris S

@DennisKaarsemaker Pripyat?

Cole

Is there a way to allow only a certain group of users to save a blocked file type on a Windows file share?

Chris S

I have to wonder why you have blocked file types

Cole

Because people were saving tons of .exe's to the community drive

like upwards of 50GB

tombull89

13:23

Same reason we block *.exe files to students' work areas. Students can't write to any other areas apart from their work area.

Cole

and people try to save Lab Data (huge files) to this drive - which can be 100-200GB a pop.

TheCleaner

Wonder who will see "Minecraft" and hit the close button - serverfault.com/questions/518085/…

Cole

So I want the sys admin group to at least be allowed to save .exe's

tombull89

I thought Minecraft: PE was peer-to-peer.

Travis

@ChrisS I blocked zip files on a file share. It was where all of our email attachments were going and I started to block them all because of the viruses that were coming through

TheCleaner

13:24

Don't know...never even played Minecraft.

Cole

@Travis that's a reason we blocked them too.

When you have upwards of 4000 people saving to a common share - we had to do something.

Chris S

@tombull89 Students and anyone you can't fire for being an idiot are special cases...

Travis

Yep

Dan

@Cole You can do exceptions for a folder, but not exceptions based on groups

Chris S

Saving 50GB of program files to a share is something I'd bring up with the person's manager

Cole

13:26

@Dan well poop.

@ChrisS and we have, but it's coming from everywhere. Trying to track down all these managers is impossible with 80+ sites and thousands of people.

Dan

To be fair, the functionality is there for a reason.

Nathan C

@tombull89 No, it's client/server

You can run a multiplayer server locally, but you'd use twice the resources.

TheCleaner

@Cole, what are you using for the block? FSRM or 3rd party? May seem like a PITA, but if it is FSRM what about simply changing it to passive when you have to place an EXE out there and then back to active?

tombull89

I must admit, I only bought PE because it was 10p on the Android store. Didn't play it much after the first week.

Chris S

Hostess Twinkies "comeback" is the headline just before Nelson Mandela being in 'critical' condition. I hate this world, where do I get off the ride?

Jenny D

13:33

@ChrisS yup - political problem rather than techical one... at least in a corporate environment.

TheCleaner

I've seen the craze, but I never bothered, same with the whole candy crush thing. The only game I really ever play on my phone is Samurai vs Zombies

Chris S

I don't have any games on my phone - stock "phone" stuff and a bunch of technical tools

TheCleaner

Speaking of politics...love this guy's gravatar and profile...serverfault.com/questions/518088/…

Cole

@TheCleaner Yeah FSRM. I guess I could always just change the extension and then once saved - back to .exe

TheCleaner

Or simply create a new share without the restrictions but locked down to admins. We did something similar at my last place with "Software$".

Cole

13:40

@TheCleaner yeah probably what I'll do.

Dan

@TheCleaner File restrictions aren't on shares, they're on the file system

TheCleaner

yeah, I know...figured he wanted to do this in order to reach some install from the user's desktop. He can create a folder on a new drive or wherever and share it out. Or host them on Amazon Glacier :)

Travis

My dark matter mouse has apparently stopped detecting dark matter as it refuses to move the cursor properly

Cole

@Dan @TheCleaner luckily the community share is on it's own drive.

Travis

Since it didn't get starred...and for the late comers I figured I'd re-share this wonderful tidbit of life moments

FML! A user called and asked if I was messing with their screen. No? Well the mouse is moving and typing things in. VNC over...uhhh....this is a video. Yeah, I know see how it's moving and entering things in.....uhhh...yeah...it's a video... I let it put orders in for 3 weeks now and they never show up....uhhh..yeah...it's a video. What? It is a video!

2

TheCleaner

13:47

? The user was watching a tutorial or something and thought it was someone controlling their screen?

0

Q: How to maintain servers without disconnecting clients?

I am designing/developing new messenger service (just like Yahoo, Gtalk messengers). So, my clients will be continuously connected to the servers. I like to know how such servers can be maintained (applying fixes, upgrades etc) while clients are still connected? One traditional way is to disconn...

maintenance

I feel like commenting "One guy takes care of Yahoo IM...he's very very busy...and fast."

Travis

@TheCleaner They were watching a tutorial and didn't know it...despite the "play", "foward" and "left side menu" with the chapters....and thought I was VNC'ed over and screwing with her

Nathan C

@Travis I don't even ...do they know how to computer?

Travis

Barely...I can't tell you how many times she calls me over and over about the same crap. It's times like this where you realize that a lot of people would be dead if breathing wasn't an automatic reflex

tombull89

Hey, we had a user who we had to teach how to copy and paste stuff from a memory stick to his work area earlier. If we hadn't shown him "select all" I dare say he would have go through and copied them all manually, one-by-one.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

fml

tombull89

14:00

I wish we did a basic use of a computer as part of the interview process.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

just got a visit from a city official, inspecting the gas pipes

they need to be replaced, expensive crap

though not as expensive as, you know, the house burning down...

Chris S

@tombull89 We did at the last factory I worked at.. Quite a few people were used to green screens and really couldn't "Windows" or "Outlook". So it became part of the 2nd Interview.

One of the guys who predated me by a long shot went long out of his way to never use a mouse in Windows. He started on mainframes and just never really needed to switch.

Travis

@tombull89 The fun part is watching someone right click, copy, paste individually into 100 cells in the same column in excel...

Chris S

1. You have city officials who's sole job it to harass residents over the state of their gas pipes?
2. How ancient are your gas pipes (or what material are they made out of) that they need to be replaced?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ChrisS 1. after a few near-miss incidents with leaks in the neighbourhood, they are checking all the houses. 2. 30 years old, naked metal. Current building regulations say only plastic-protected metal is allowed.

Journeyman Geek

14:11

@ChrisS we have mosquito inspectors

Chris S

1. I suppose that makes some sort of sense.
2. The 50 year old black steel pipe in my grand parent's house works just fine. Plastic coated isn't required anywhere around here that I know of... Interesting requirements.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I don't think they can actually require me to replace them until they show signs of being defective. And the guy didn't try to he merely advised me to do it. And I'd hate to see my house burn down, so I'll take the advice :)

Chris S

@JourneymanGeek Curiouser and curiouser.

Journeyman Geek

@ChrisS: that said, the government was also nagging my brother to get married ;p

no idea why they haven't started yet, the SDN has pretty nice nag swag

Chris S

@DennisKaarsemaker The "burning" usually isn't much of a problem. The whole "natural gas explodes" thing is usually much worse.

Jenny D

14:24

@ChrisS fire pretty?

Journeyman Geek

@JennyD: depends on your point of view

tombull89

Yes, fire pretty.

Jenny D

@tombull89 I like the Main Benefit there.

Chris S

@JennyD A house had a gas "leak" (they suspect vandals) last year in the neighborhood next to mine. I thought someone had driven a car into my house when it blew. Pink insulation rained from the sky like it was the end of the world for minutes. I saw what was left of the house, a few pipes here and there, plenty of debris all over the place, no walls or anything really recognizable.

Jenny D

@ChrisS Not the kind of thing you really want to experience, no.

Chris S

14:31

@tombull89 Meh, I've seen it enough times to recognize it.. Also, you have to hook a natural gas line up to it.

Journeyman Geek

o0

last time an apartment caught fire here it just left a black streak on the wall they painted over a few weeks later ;p

Olipro

sorry to piss on the proverbial bonfire, but "fire glass" is just glass

the source of the flames is natural gas, the fire glass just absorbs heat

(and gives it off)

tombull89

@Olipro boo.

Chris S

@Olipro Hope most of us knew that already, but yes, you are correct

MDMarra

0

Q: Why default Centos installation has partitions?

I installed Centos 6.3 and looking at the disk I get the output: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/vg_cp77-lv_root 50G 7.3G 40G 16% / tmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev/shm /dev/sda1 485M 63M 397M 14% /boot...

centos partition

kill

Cole

14:46

@MDMarra you hire a padawan yet?

MDMarra

nope

resumes still comeing in

Travis

@MDMarra Think we found a candidate...he was trying to get his intranet DNS to work....OBAMA.local

MDMarra

where?

Travis

0

Q: How do I set up DNS for an intranet web site?

I have a web site running on our local server, 'OBAMA'. In my hosts file on that server, I map engenxt.local to 127.0.0.1, so typing engenxt.local on that machine itself brings up the website. I would like other machines to access the site via domain name 'engenxt'. On a Windows Server 2008 R2 S...

windows windows-server-2008 dns iis iis8

MDMarra

oh boy

ewwhite

14:50

@MDMarra Don't hate.

MDMarra

I voted for him, twice!

Travis

lol

Journeyman Geek

should I be suprised the OP's profile has a webpage that links to.... nothing?

MDMarra

Actually, more than twice because of the primaries

ewwhite

@MDMarra Still not enough... you need to profess your love!!

MDMarra

14:52

I don't have a whole lot any more.

The whole two-faced wiretapping stuff is a bummer

I still think he's better than what Romney of McCain would have been, but he hasn't lived up to his hype.

ewwhite

@MDMarra :(

Dan

@MDMarra From an outside perspective, I think he was oversold. Even from here, he was hailed as a saviour

But the others are scary, so there's that.

MDMarra

He was all about ending illegal Bush wiretapping

Turns out he just meant he was going to legalize it in a secret court, not do away with it

Michael Hampton

Why is this at all surprising?

WesleyDavid

@DennisKaarsemaker Excellent, this will give me at least two weeks worth of stall time to digest!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

14:54

@Travis obama.mdmarra.local

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton it shouldn't be.

WesleyDavid

@MDMarra Dudes a shill like every other president since, what, Van Buren? James Madison?

Michael Hampton

John Tyler?

MDMarra

@MichaelHampton Because of how widespread it is, I think. No one expects candidates to live up to every word.

WesleyDavid

@MichaelHampton Tippecanoe and Tyler too!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

14:55

First plumber came in, said €1000. Second and third tomorrow and wednesday.

MDMarra

But this is on a crazy scale

Journeyman Geek

@MDMarra and gitmo, and pulling out of the wars and....

funny thing is, I think he's just in a situation he thought he could fix, and realised he couldn't

WesleyDavid

@DennisKaarsemaker Pay them in booking deals.

@JourneymanGeek HE saw the true Illuminati and knew it was JUST. TOO LATE!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@WesleyDavid heh, I have some leftover servers, maybe they'll trade :)

ewwhite

@JourneymanGeek Which is the sad part.

Journeyman Geek

14:57

@WesleyDavid: more like...

~~math~~ change is hard

Michael Hampton

What, you think he was actually attempting to tell the truth?

WesleyDavid

Black helicopters flown by the lizard people shape shifters did nine-one-one!

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Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: I think he actually thought he could fix things the first term. The second term... its a cushy job ;p

Dan

I can't believe Americans in general still think Gitmo is acceptable for a supposedly democratic first world nation

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: oh, probably isn't

question is really, what's the alternative?

WesleyDavid

14:59

@Dan I can't believe how many other nations allow us to do the things we do on their own soul with their own government's help.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Dan heh, the USA isn't a democracy. Or a first world nation. It's a banana republic controlled by the ~~army~~ spies

ewwhite

@Dan I manage the servers that process produce orders for Gitmo.

WesleyDavid

@Dan Don't think the UK doesn't love having all the NSA data to look at over Uncle Sam's shoulder. =)

ewwhite

I can tell you that they get the good lettuce.

Journeyman Geek

The right thing would be to process the bastards, throw the ones who are guilty in jail or shoot em, depending, and release the rest ASAP.

MDMarra

14:59

@Dan We're like two different countries. The north east and northwest are like one country and the rest is another

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: the UK provides the data, the americans process it ;p

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