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@MarkHenderson Or IPv4, likely.
@MichaelHampton It is comforting to see more IPv6 questions though. Means that adoption is starting to pick up
That much is true.
Though, one should never let developers assign IPv6 addresses.
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Q: Calculating the distance to the next available IP address

George AdamsLet's say I want to assign IPv6 addresses to people from the 2001:0DB8::/32 range. Most are given out sequentially, but some are non-sequential. This DB table shows which addresses have already been assigned. +-----------------------------------------+ | Address ...

@MichaelHampton That is a long, long, long solved problem...
@MarkHenderson Yes, it looks familiar, but it's been 20 years since I read any CS theory...
Is devops more Linux or Windows server oriented?
00:03
@MichaelHampton And it's not done the way that the answerer answered
@KevinSoviero I would argue linux, but you can do win devops
I forget most of it, but given you have an ordered data set
I forget exactly how
@Jacob Yes, but which is more common?
@KevinSoviero Linux
Is there such a thing as a Windows server engineer?
00:06
@KevinSoviero Of course, you can invent any title you want for yourself really
Okay, let me explain what I'm working on... I'm trying to get Rackspace to invest in one of the small/more impoverished school districts near Austin, to teach the kids real-world IT career-oriented classes. Classes will include Linux, Windows Server, SAN Admin, DevOps, etc. What I'm trying to work out is which classes will act as prerequisites for later classes. E.g., should the prerequisite for DevOps be Linux or Windows?, etc.
We do operations stuff using Agile project management tools/methodologies, and I can tell you that it's horrible. Making me miserable atm.
Just trying to cram a square peg into a round hole.
@KevinSoviero Wow, you're running into your new job head first, aren't you?
@MarkHenderson I only have two speeds, and the first leaves me unemployed.
What you're asking is very complicated; a large part of becoming a course coordinator is learning how to do lesson plans and sort things into logical sequences
And if you're getting them into $x way of doing things at high school then you need to be quite certain you're not setting them up for failure later on
I don't know if asking on a chat room is quite the way to get the validation and data sets you need
I applaud what you're trying to do though, I think its a great idea
00:12
@MarkHenderson I agree, I'm trying to structure the classes to be as vendor-neutral as possible.
@KevinSoviero IT classes in secondary school doesn't work
@KevinSoviero Difficult to do at the server level - the two basic camps are fundemantally different
@Jacob It worked in my (albeit wealthier) high school.
I would say that teaching Windows is easier because it presents them with concepts they may already be familiar with
However, I found learning FreeBSD at University much more satisfying because it was something totally new to me
When I was at highschool I took Year 11 and Year 12 IT classes. They were more concepts than hands-on practicals and they've been invaluable for me as I was learning more
@MarkHenderson Easier? Yes. But one of the hooks I'm using the get Rackspace to sign off on this is that this will allow them to ensure a workforce of some of the harder-to-find employees, e.g., Linux, devops, SAN, etc.
00:14
@KevinSoviero I promise you large scale it won't. I'll explain after I finish eating.
@KevinSoviero You also want good people though. If it were me, I would start with a fundamentals class, maybe at about Year 10, where you teach basic computing concepts. Really dumb 101 stuff. Because even though it sounds dumb, a lot of kids might know how to plug everything together, but not what makes it all tick
Start with basics, like why booting is called booting, how information flow travels from the keyboard to the processor
@MarkHenderson I have "intro to information technology" as a prerequisite for all others.
Keep it simple and broad, but it will help them to understand the more complex stuff that happens when you get into servers
I'm also not sure you will be able to convince kids that a SAN is actually pretty cool and exciting. But what you probably can convince them is to set up their own youporn or brazzers capacity SAN
This is what I have right now, but it is a very rough draft.
@KevinSoviero Prereqs for a "devops" class shouldn't be OSs at all. Devops in true form is not about computers, it's about workflow theories, specifically adapted from postwar factory management systems.
@Iain Yes, a bit over 100km.
@KevinSoviero Cant read it; too small
@WesleyDavid This
@MarkHenderson That.
Okay, on that note, I'm going for a drive into the desert. Toodles.
flees with fleas
@WesleyDavid I read an article about what some dude learnt in his first 6 months at Microsoft. I wanted to punch him in the face; it's like he spent the first 21 years of his life with his head stuck up his own ass wearing rose coloured glasses
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@KevinSoviero Same as the first
400x200
@KevinSoviero Better
^ One more time before I give up ;)
@WesleyDavid Just get a bike already. Surly LHT. Surly crosscheck. Some other CX bike. All those are good options. Any of those is 1000% better than no bike.
@KevinSoviero Seems like a big jump from "intro to programming" to "web programming"
We've hired programmers with no web experience here and they really struggled to understand the gap between how data gets from your comptuer to the web server
00:23
@KevinSoviero SAN Administration without a SysAdmin prereq? ugh.
(these were juniors who had only done minor programming before, but still)
@MarkHenderson Well intro to programming covered basic concepts like variables and functions, and then the second focuses on a language such as Python or Ruby.
@KevinSoviero Which are not exclusively web languages
@freiheit I was trying to figure out where SAN admin fits as well... I feel it's closer to networking than sysadmin'ing.
Speaking of devops... does anyone need a Windows app that... does something? I've been itching for a reason to fire up Visual Studio but I haven't come up with an original idea on something to make.
00:24
I know plenty of non-web stuff done in python
@MarkHenderson No, but that's the focus.
@RyanRies When I'm in VS I'm either writing unit tests for nunit and selenium, or I'm writing a data connector to connect three totally abstract things that don't glue together very well
@MarkHenderson Well, administering the FC switches is definitely networking, but the actual block storage admin is sysadminy. Gotta understand RAID and filesystems or I'm going to hate that SAN Admin eventually.
@freiheit Absolutally
@freiheit That's why there's a SAN admin class, to cover the sysadmin stuff missed along the way. But as prereqs go, networking seems like the primary.
00:28
@KevinSoviero Especially with iscsi and fcoe happening more and more
Am I the only one that's finding this real time coverage of the Edward S. shit fascinating?
I'm also trying to figure out how much to throw at the kids at once. For example, do they really need a separate programming class, or can they just learn that while learning the processes in devops?
@KevinSoviero no
@RyanRies I have no idea what you're talking about
@Jacob Hm?
00:38
@KevinSoviero Didn't you just start at Rackspace?
@ewwhite Yup... So?
@KevinSoviero in my intro to java people had a hard time understanding methods
So get established... why distract yourself with this project at the moment?
@ewwhite Because I like making a personal impact on the company.
@ewwhite Plus, I've had this idea in mind for a while. It's one of the reasons I wanted to go work at Rackspace.
I see.
00:42
@ewwhite Yes, I'm odd. I already knew that. ;)
I'm thinking it would be viewed as a lack of focus at this early juncture.
@ewwhite I'm a support rep. There's not a lot of "focusing" going on ATM.
@ewwhite I don't know if you were here on Friday when I discussed it. But on Monday I'm going to ask my manager if I can be moved somewhere with project-based work, where I can focus.
While I have nothing against customer support. One of my weaknesses is that I can't jump from one task to another easily. And while most companies wouldn't care, Rackspace is obsessed with making sure a persons strengths are put to good use.
00:52
@ewwhite You're very talkative today.
@KevinSoviero Its sunday night, he is probably busy making sweet love to his wife
@MarkHenderson What, does he have a laptop in bed next to him too? "Hold on honey, I need to check if anyone's @'d me recently."
Naw, just thinking that as a manager, I don't think I'd fully value the proposal you're making... just yet.
@ewwhite We tried to tell him on Friday :)
@MDMarra Oh, so I'm not crazy?
00:56
@ewwhite Which proposal?
I should know! I go through a lot of jobs!
@MDMarra Yes, well... I figured I might as well try. What's the worst that could happen?
@KevinSoviero They fire you
@KevinSoviero You look like a whiny malcontent and you make a bad early impression that's hard to overcome?
@MDMarra Um... But I am a whiny malcontent person by nature.
00:59
you should be trying to change that
@KevinSoviero You get negative marks.
no one likes a whiner
@MDMarra I'm trying to teach that to my 3 year old at the moment
@KevinSoviero Less about being fired, more about the impressions.
It's an important life skill
01:00
@MDMarra It's actually one of the reason I work hard. I won't settle for anything less than perfection... Even if it drives me mad. (Which if you look at my medicine cabinet, it may already have.)
@MarkHenderson stop whining, daddy hates you
@MDMarra I whined about HP gear at work here for a long time... but I couldn't make the move and get things in motion until I proved myself.
@KevinSoviero Having a high standard of work is different than being a whiner
@MDMarra I meant more "malcontent" than "whiner".
If you see a problem, you should come up with a solution, then maneuver it into place. The problem is that, in your case, you're 20 and you want a job that most places wouldn't put you in with your experience level. So, the solution is to put in some hard work at the bottom and be so good that you get promoted.
Managers want hard working people with answers, not whiners that act entitled. How do you think you're going to come off being 20 years old asking for a promotion 2 weeks into your first real tech job?
I know you're more advanced than most people your age. It doesn't mean much, though. There are people that know just as much as you with 5+ years experience filling those jobs
And those years of experience give valuable intangibles outside of tech knowledge
01:04
@MDMarra I'm not asking for a promotion, I'm asking to be move. Not up, but just sideways.
You're in front-line tech support. Everything is a promotion from there, isn't it?
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@KevinSoviero Too soon, dude.
Pay your dues!!
@ewwhite Can I just pay my dues literally? Can I just give them back like $20,000 and make the move now? ;)
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Q: Cpanel Cron Job to hit a webpage

vxdI've created a web page with a url like this :www.domain.com/script In cPanel I've created a cron job. Can I just put www.domain.com/script in the "Command" Field? So every 4 hours the cron is initial and hit www.domain.com/script -- Edit I only have access to cpanel.

^ This douche again
@KevinSoviero Give them back 20k? As if you've already been paid it?
@MarkHenderson I meant more along the lines of a pay cut.
01:09
@KevinSoviero oh right
There are exceptions to every rule, but with your on-paper experience, lack of degree, and age, you have three real choices:

1) What you're doing now.

2) Maybe a MSP where you do Tier 1 for angry customers with SLAs

3) A sysadmin as a *small* or *poorly run* place that can't afford anyone as good as you with more experience, meaning the pay/benefits will suck and you likely won't have a budget to do anything cool
@KevinSoviero this is stuff you should have worked out before accepting the role.
fucking markdown
4) A produce company
^ see #3
01:11
@ewwhite I hear they only hire over-priced consultants
@MarkHenderson I provide value.
@ewwhite Im just jealous
I want to be an over-priced consultant, but I'm not really doing anything about becoming one so I shouldn't complain
@MarkHenderson Don't be... Internal VMware guy at one of my produce companies destroyed their VMware setup over the weekend.
He got "click-happy".
@ewwhite Fun!
01:23
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Q: Can anyone identify this eMMC card socket?

tomakeyIt's not mSATA or PCI-e mini card. Any ideas what socket this eMMC fits into?

@ewwhite Just saw that one
> Why? If you don't know what it is... what are you expecting to do with it?
And apparently that PDF you linked to is confidential ;)
@MarkHenderson Yah.
@ewwhite Did you get a chance to take a look at those thin clients you had?
@ewwhite I was going to answer that, but I figured it wouldn't help him as he'd already identified it as an eMMC
it's either going to be part of an accelerator card of some kind, a RAID controller, a switch, or a printer.
01:39
Installing RD Gateway on Server 2012 is giving me fits for some reason, when no other role or feature installation has been a problem so far. Kinda pissin me off
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Q: Configuring RAID 10 using MegaRAID Storage Manager on an LSI 9260 RAID card

nullsheenUsing MegaRAID Storage Manager 13.04 on an LSI 9260 RAID card, which is the correct way to create RAID 10 using 8 drives with maximum redundancy? There appears to be multiple ways to reach the same amount of expected disk space. Spanned Drive Group 0, RAID 10 Virtual Drive 0, VD_0, 2.181 TB, ...

Can someone explain to me why this should be closed?
Well it's on a board.. but it could be anything. I've seen this type of thing in automotive, copiers/MFPs, phone systems...
@Adrian No idea
@MarkHenderson Got 4 Votes on it with 3 different reasons. I see no reason why it should be closed. It perhaps has a bit too much detail, but it's a common piece of equipment in servers and a valid question for someone with limited knowledge of RAID.
02:03
@Adrian localized
@Adrian where do you work
02:17
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Q: Installing SSL on IIS

skubSorry for the newbie question, but I am having trouble trying to install an SSL onto an IIS server. When I purchased my certificate, the provider gave me 3 text files. The files contain the following: the RSA key, the certificate contents and a CA Bundle How would I go about installing the SS...

RTFM GTFO
@MichaelHampton we resurrected the junk question channel
I can't close it, but I can downvote it
@ewwhite How do you even do that?
Doesn't it take more skill to screw up a VMware cluster than it does to keep things running smooth?
I mean, there are so many licenses with VMware. "Sorry, the 'bodger past repair' feature is part of the advanced licenses pack. Please contact your preferred VMware License Fisting Associate."
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@MichaelHampton there, suitably snarky answer provided.
02:33
@FalconMomot WTFBBQ
@Jacob did you read the whole thing? it's hilarious.
o0
Thats beastiality (aviality?) most fowl!
@FalconMomot o_O
@Jacob what, you don't get it?
@FalconMomot No I get it...
02:39
it's made of fish.
grabs a fish out of the water, takes it to higher ground, and eats it raw
@Jacob Do you mean "proprietary"?
@MichaelHampton Yeah. Stupid me didn't check speel cheek
Ahhh. Well at least I had fun on my little vacation.
I should hack cPanel Inc and leave them a smoking crater. >.>
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Q: Spamassassin plugins working in terminal test but not in practice

chuckieDubWhen I run a spamassassin test from terminal i.e. : # spamassassin -t -D < message.txt The plugins produce hits and spamsassassin correctly marks the hits. When mail comes through to the server, however, no hits are recorded and the plugins do not appear to be running. Specifically I am attem...

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Q: Cpanel Cron Job to hit a webpage

vxdI've created a web page with a url like this :www.domain.com/script In cPanel I've created a cron job. Can I just put www.domain.com/script in the "Command" Field? So every 4 hours the cron is initial and hit www.domain.com/script -- Edit I only have access to cpanel.

+ 99999999999999 others
This is not the cPanel support forum.
02:49
@MichaelHampton Its not the Windows or CentOS or RHEL support forums either, and yet we allow their questions
@MarkHenderson Yes, but at least those have some chance of being in a professional environment. cPanel on the other hand is something that people who have no business touching a server buy and think it's going to make them a web hosting company.
It stretches the definition of "professional" pretty far.
@MichaelHampton True. I thought we were shunting cpanel questions to webmasters? Or did that stop?
My memory is terrible for these things
@MarkHenderson It's on meta somewhere. I'll go look it up later. But I'm pretty sure this is all @voretaq7's fault.
serverfault.com/questions/513238/… I wonder if I am right...
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A: security issue with paypal on cpanel box

Falcon MomotThere wouldn't be any even remotely decent prepackaged way to do this. What you need to address instead is why random scripts are appearing on your server, or why you have so many customers who are criminals if you intend for users to be allowed to upload and execute arbitrary scripts. If you n...

Ah that's another idiot web hosting "company" (i.e. one guy living in his mom's basement and churning out bad PHP code).
He should just install maldet.
03:08
@MichaelHampton he should recycle his server and find a different job.
@FalconMomot Well yes, that too. But I wouldn't post that in an answer.
@MichaelHampton yeah, usually I am nicer than that
(usually I'm exactly as nice/rude as I am in that answer... "you are missing the real problem here")
you know what is the worst? trying to read long, unnecessarily verbose, multi-clausal error messages while stoned.
it just doesn't work.
Why do you think I didn't log in for seven straight days? After all, I did have Internet access...
@MichaelHampton that does make sense.
My home for the last week, in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.
03:14
what? my snarky "gtfo n00b" answer actually helped someone?
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A: Installing SSL on IIS

Falcon MomotI suspect by CA bundle your CA means the intermediate and root certificates which establist the chain of trust for your certificate. Typically, these will be provided as base64-encoded data, with delimiters like the following: -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----- -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- If thi...

@MichaelHampton Nice. I just spent the weekend in my tiny apartment, and flew around a bit recently.
seeing flooded Calgary from above was neat.
Oh... I also implemented a captive portal Wi-Fi for the campground and sold access to the Internet all week...
The funny part of that is...
@MichaelHampton Nice.
I had two options: Buy a used Ubiquiti Bullet and set up a server with PacketFence and hook it up to a credit card merchant account, or what I actually did... grabbed a bunch of junk out of my junkbox and glued it together with 300 lines of code I wrote in six hours. That accepts Bitcoin.
Biggest problem I had all week was getting Windoze to talk 802.1x over wireless.
Oh, did I mention the duct tape?
@MichaelHampton Yeah cos people who go camping typically expect to pay for shit with bitcoin :P
03:22
@MarkHenderson Actually about 80% of them paid with bitcoin. Peak was 45 users...
@MichaelHampton Seriously?
Did you advertise, or just leave it open?
^ Enterprise network!
Doh!
^ Datacenter!
@MarkHenderson I ran multi SSID... the open SSID diverted you to the captive portal on the netbook. Once you paid your bitcoins (or came and found me and handed me cash) it would add you to FreeRADIUS and you could log into the 802.1x network which let you get online for real.
Also had a squid transparent proxy going on there.
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Q: Configuring FastCGI for mass hosting setup

Tiffany WalkerI'm running a bunch of websites on a server but I'm having memory issues from all the PHP processes. What should I change? I need to change FcgidProcessLifeTime to say 600 right which means the user process will die after 10 minutes? Should I tweak them in other ways for more permanence? Curre...

God, I'm glad @ewwhite isn't here to see this.
I would hate to be hosted with that provider. ugh.
03:28
@MichaelHampton why?
@MichaelHampton That's quite enterprising. And enterprisey :P
I'm not judgmental!
@ewwhite I only said that so you WOULD come and see it.
Naw, I'm breaking servers right now.
@ewwhite Don't you need @MDMarra for that?
03:30
@MarkHenderson Enterprising, yes. Enterprisey would have been if I'd actually bought the Bullet and brought up a Proliant...
@MichaelHampton I've done that before, except I had a bit more professional gear
Besides, there's no Cisco in there, so it clearly can't be enterprisey.
Well... uh... actually the netbook is running RHEL 6.4. With an actual live subscription. So I guess it is enterprisey.
@MichaelHampton but I had real servers
and more than 1 antenna
@Jacob I was not about to try to run a "real" server inside a pop-up camper...
FYI, HP servers have an option to balance power across both power supplies, or to run entirely off of one or the other. Leads to imbalances...
03:33
@Jacob There's nothing specific to that guy's particular hardware or business in that question. He asked how to set up RAID 10 because he wasn't sure if he was getting RAID 10 or 01 with those settings. Definitely has value if the hardware is common.
@MichaelHampton Haha I was referring to how it's just all sort of strung together and proprietary
But that's pretty col
@MarkHenderson Oh, and uh... I wrote the captive portal in PHP.
@MichaelHampton Didn't want to just go with somethign that had a captive portal built into it/
Like pfsense?
@MichaelHampton To be fair I was in something a little bigger
@MarkHenderson No, because it would have taken longer to extend it to take Bitcoins.
03:34
@MichaelHampton how much did ya make?
@Jacob You could probably fit a half rack in there somewhere.
Again I'm really shocked that you found bitcoins useful
@Jacob A few hundred bucks, I'm counting the money now...
@MarkHenderson Well, since it was an event where a lot of people were expected to have bitcoin...
@MichaelHampton I brought my 4U rack, I only have a 4 and 42U
@MichaelHampton Oh, where did you go? I thought this was just a random camping holiday
03:36
@MarkHenderson A camping holiday yes, but not at all random :)
@MarkHenderson porcfest.com
@MichaelHampton Even after reading their about page I'm uncertain exactly what it is
I've determined: It's not orgy related
That's about it
@MarkHenderson And it's close to Canada. That's all I got.
@MarkHenderson The orgies were last year.
@MichaelHampton What was your backhaul?
Well anyway looks like you had a good time
03:38
@ewwhite Who's servers are you breaking and are you getting paid for it? =)
I love camping. Haven't been in years
@Jacob Verizon 4G LTE, of course. Which happened to go live just days before the event :)
@WesleyDavid my own...
@ewwhite No fun. =(
@MichaelHampton I used 2 connections, it was pushing 40mb
03:39
Nexenta - livin' large.
@Jacob I could have used as many as 3, but it turned out not to be necessary.
@WesleyDavid it takes 20 minutes to boot...
@MichaelHampton have any logs?
60+ disks.
@ewwhite Hmm... not cool.
03:40
it's okay... lots of craziness in there.
@Jacob I have logs coming out my ass... bind logs, squid logs, nginx logs, RADIUS accounting...
@MichaelHampton how about your bitcoin wallet and BIND logs :)
@Jacob I just transferred all the bitcoins to my home wallet this evening. I haven't really looked at the logs yet though. Still unwinding..
@MichaelHampton Logs coming out your ass? Cut back on the fiber.
Can y'all get to laspecialty.com ?
03:45
@ewwhite Yes
@Jacob oh, thin clients.
I have two.
neither have expansion ports.
@ewwhite 1 NIC?
@ewwhite I can
Slow though
(like, slower than normal internet is here)
@MarkHenderson It's your dial up
@Jacob oh wait... one is This one
03:47
@ewwhite 1 PCIe x4 / PCI Expansion Module (optional) ?
@Jacob I also have this one
@ewwhite You would happen to have the expansion module?
@ewwhite "Note that passwords should be typed in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS." LOLZ
Huh, 1.0.0.0/8 has been released
03:51
(most people don't need multiple NICs on their thin clients)
@ewwhite never mind, it appears to be only 15$
@FalconMomot Ages ago
@MarkHenderson Huh. Apparently I live under a rock.
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A: A website hosted on the 1.0.0.0/8 subnet, somewhere on the Internet?

Mark HendersonIf they use 1.0.0.0/8 and I go and join your network via WiFi or VPN, my iPhone will get confused and explode: And your work does not want to buy me a new iPhone because they made mine explode. They're expensive.

@Jacob your pick. The T5735, I'd give away... you'd need a power adapter.
03:55
@ewwhite and the other one?
@ewwhite Man, you gotta hook me up with that place. I want to make a website for them that costs oodles of money.
Poor guys - getting jacked like that for a flash turd.
@WesleyDavid I gave them one of my developers... to try to turn it into something normal
@ewwhite Yeah, I can get the expansion card for like 20, and the PSU for 11, so if you'll give it away I can use it....
Client wanted to stick with it
03:57
@ewwhite Good man.
@ewwhite Bad client.
@ewwhite "No, we've really grown fond of this turd!"
I feel about this turd as if it was family. An irritating and smelly family member, but family nonetheless.
@WesleyDavid they like it.
@ewwhite Who am I to judge a business and their love of turd?
"We will love it and pet it and call it George."
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A: 403 when posting to a specific URL on an cPanel/Apache server

Falcon MomotMost likely, the CGI driving the form is returning the 403 error. This is perfectly legitimate behaviour for a CGI application, even if other request types succeed. In fact, it is even permissible to have the same URI return a different status code every time it is queried. In short, the probl...


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