The Comms Room

tombull89

19:10

Cindy? Girls just wanna get a modern OS.

HopelessN00b

@tombull89 Well, it is hard to have fun on something that old, I'll give her that.

MichelZ

@tombull89 Cindy is probably sandra then

HopelessN00b

Right. I mean, I'll give him that.

tombull89

There are no girls on the internet. Apart from Sandra. Sandra is everyone.

Michael Hampton

You can attempt to violate your company's policies and get fired. That's always an option. But doing so is not an appropriate topic of discussion here. — Michael Hampton ♦ 18 secs ago

MichelZ

19:12

There are a lot of girls. They just pose as ugly dudes that they don't get harrassed

HopelessN00b

But Sandra's a guy. So even if he is everywhere, it doesn't invalidate the no women on 'net axiom.

Michael Hampton

Heh. Earlier today I saw a "girl" post a question on SF. After finding "her" LinkedIn profile, it was most definitely a guy.

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton You facking tease. You say something like that, then close the question so I can't helpfully instruct him on how to get fired? Mean, man. Just mean.

MichelZ

@MichaelHampton Why doesn't he just use 80/443?

Michael Hampton

@MichelZ Because (this is my guess) he's doing something he isn't supposed to be doing, i.e. running this server at home, and using it from work for non-work-related stuff.

MichelZ

19:14

@HopelessN00b you can comment on it to still get him fired

HopelessN00b

@MichelZ Well, I don't because that would push the traffic through our web proxy. I can only imagine what Websense would do to my RDP connections. <shudder>

tombull89

I'm getting closer and closer to punching someone...

MichelZ

@HopelessN00b :) it's nginx, and the proxypass is HTTP...

Michael Hampton

@tombull89 A user, or a developer?

HopelessN00b

@MichaelHampton In other words, how us sysadmins get paid to watch TV and play video games.

Michael Hampton

19:15

@HopelessN00b Yeah, but this guy is not a sysadmin.

HopelessN00b

And hang in the Comms Room.

MichelZ

you're not allowed to hang in the comms room?

shame your employer!

HopelessN00b

@MichelZ No, it generates too many http requests, which is what upper management equates with "wasting time online."

MichelZ

:)

HopelessN00b

...and they have no shame. So, fuck 'em instead.

MichelZ

19:18

show them that one of their porn videos uses more http requests than a year worth of comms room

RobM

dumb times to cut your finger with a knife #347: While cutting tomatoes to make a tomato sauce.

MichelZ

mmh, bloodtomatos

RobM

i know, right

tombull89

Facebook, this month: "You have a baby! And you have a baby! Everyone has a baby!" and "You get engaged! And you get engaged! Everyone gets engaged!"

MichelZ

yeah, got a fucking "she's married now" e-mail as well

fucking facebook

tombull89

19:21

Oddly enough, the only person I would expect to be pregnant, isn't.

HopelessN00b

@MichelZ Oh, I tried using... rational thought... when it first came up. Didn't help. The problem is that it shows up in a report our brain damaged CTO insists on getting and reading. And instead of not giving a fuck, he wants to know what the "top 5 users" are doing online that makes them top 5.

Michael Hampton

Sure enough, I just opened Facebook, and there's "Steven & I got engaged!"

MichelZ

lol @HopelessN00b... that's respect

that's probably not even legal in parts of europe :)

Ry Jones

@HopelessN00b time to get a tablet with LTE

MichelZ

@RyJones or just a phone which you can hook up to your computer

HopelessN00b

19:24

@MichelZ Really? Seems to me more like brain damage than respect, but whatever. Now instead of working and occasionally popping in here, I have a basically persistent RDP connection to my home network, and fuck off all day. Which seems to make them happier. :/

cole

we're officially on vSphere 5.5 now too

Ry Jones

@HopelessN00b nicely done

MichelZ

@HopelessN00b AND you get paid for it... nice!

HopelessN00b

@RyJones The remote session into my home computers seems better. More movies and games and time-wasting fun on here.

Ry Jones

@MichelZ I'd rather avoid that network altogether

MichelZ

19:25

@cole you're kidding, right? does that run on NT4?

HopelessN00b

@MichelZ I guess. Still looking for another job, so it can't be that nice.

cole

@MichelZ NT4 is gone, bro

CAN'T MAKE JOKES NOW HAHA

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MichelZ

@cole just teasing

we have to find something other ancient which we can mock you with @cole

cole

Oh just my 20 or so Windows 2000 servers

HopelessN00b

@cole You guys still have Windows 200, though, so, no, we can still make jokes.

MichelZ

19:27

do you still use Office XP?

cole

No lol

Although, I did decomm 5 2000 servers

MichelZ

WordPerfect?

cole

Thank god, no we don't

MichelZ

Exchange 5.5?

HopelessN00b

Maybe your 2k expertise can help Cindy out. :p

cole

19:28

Domino shop.

MichelZ

there must be something

that's good

we can mock you for using Domino

I mean.... who the fuck does that? Besides IBM

HopelessN00b

@MichelZ The thing that always slays me about Domino is that is runs like shit on the AS/400, and actually "works" when you run it on Windows. IBM can't even make their own shit work together.

MichelZ

:)

cole

we run the domino servers on RHEL

Michael Hampton

Well, at least this isn't Ask Ubuntu...

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Q: How to install 64-bit .deb file on a 32-bit machine

I have Ubuntu 14.04. I recently downloaded Viber. The Viber .deb file has 64-bit architecture. I want to install it on my computer, but my computer only supports 32-bit. The output of running lscpu is as follows: Architecture: i686 CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Byte Order: Little Endian CPU(s)...

cole

19:37

Wow.

Ry Jones

uh wow, he accepted the answer to use dynamic translation?

HopelessN00b

That's just... eww. I need a shower... for my eyes and brain.

MichelZ

yeah, TV-bed-time for me

cya guys + girls

and fake girls and fake guys

not to confuse with @cole... more like sandra

HopelessN00b

Damn, I think I've been looking for a job in the wrong industry. I need to start a "career" photographing cops.

Bob

@RyJones I thought it was possible to run hardware-accelerated 64-bit guests on an x86-64 CPU even if your host OS is 32-bit?

Shane Madden

19:53

Is there any reason to ever actually do that?

Ry Jones

@ShaneMadden you hate life?

"I wonder how many layers of emulation I can slather on this cow fucker before it dies"

Shane Madden

@RyJones Seriously.

Is there any legitimate reason to install a 32-bit OS anywhere that isn't a raspberry pi these days?

Ry Jones

@ShaneMadden it's smaller. If you have limited RAM (say, a tablet or something)

Michael Hampton

@RyJones I've had accelerated nested VMs three deep, in testing. I wouldn't even attempt to nest an unaccelerated one, or an emulated one

Ry Jones

I mean, Android is 32 bit.

Michael Hampton

19:56

@RyJones Only because ARM chips are 32-bit. That'll change with ARMv8

@ShaneMadden I guess my home routers are 32-bit. But I don't even seriously consider installing it on anything that is 64-bit capable.

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton sure. So, 32 bit if you don't need huge ram and you want smaller OS footprint in RAM

Shane Madden

It's not like the larger pointers are using very much more space though

Michael Hampton

Yeah, the extra space is trivial on something like a modern smartphone.

Shane Madden

Ok so amending that: Is there any reason a general purpose OS like Windows, EL/Fedora, Debian/Ubuntu needs a 32-bit x86 distribution..?

Michael Hampton

@ShaneMadden Nope. And if you noticed, RHEL 7 is 64-bit only

tombull89

20:02

Not any more.

mossy

@cole First day is oct. 1st

Shane Madden

@MichaelHampton I hadn't noticed, but good! ;)

Michael Hampton

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Q: Good reasons to keep 32-bit Microsoft Windows desktop OSes

Server software has been 64-bit only for a while now (Since Server 2008 R2 for Windows, even earlier for Exchange and Sharepoint) and even Ubuntu are pushing you away from 32-bit versions for their server OSes. But is there any good, quantifiable reason to keep a 32-bit desktop operating system ...

windows microsoft 32bit-64bit operating-system

cole

@mossy good luck bro!

mossy

@cole Thanks :|

Ry Jones

20:03

@ShaneMadden and all of your DLLs are twice as large so you can make aligned jumps, and on and on

Michael Hampton

The whole DLL is twice as large?

Ry Jones

in practice, it ends up being about twice as large. I'm sure you could cook up a trivial example where it isn't the case.

Michael Hampton

-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 92560 Aug 10  2013 /lib64/libz.so.1.2.8
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 90964 Aug 10  2013 /lib/libz.so.1.2.8

Ry Jones

well, yay for linux.

Michael Hampton

I don't even have any copies of 32-bit Windows around, otherwise I'd spin up a couple of VMs...

but that just sounds wrong.

Actually, wait, I have 32-bit and 64-bit DVDs of Vista Ultimate in the junkbox. But..it's Vista

Ry Jones

20:10

I just checked our windows SDKs, which only differ in mode of compilation. The 32 bit one is 389 megs and the 64 bit one is 471 megs.

so it's ~20% larger, which is not twice.

the 32 bit DLL is 2348K, the 64 bit version of the same DLL is 3174K.

Michael Hampton

Thanks for saving me from having to install Windows Vista twice.

# ls -l /lib{,64}/libc-2.18.so
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 2100672 Jan 23  2014 /lib64/libc-2.18.so
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 2066612 Jan 23  2014 /lib/libc-2.18.so

That's, what, about 9%

Ry Jones

sure.

Michael Hampton

Memory just keeps getting cheaper and cheaper, not to mention smaller, so I guess it's a fine tradeoff

Ry Jones

you'll notice I didn't say so files, I said DLLs, since my experience is in windowsland. regardless, they aren't twice as large on windows, either.

Michael Hampton

I know, but they're the closest comparable thing

Nathan C

20:19

Sigh, no callback or email from Unitil. Not surprised.

Ry Jones

So, looking over our entire Windows SDK, the delta in size for our DLLs is 25% larger on debug builds and 30% larger for release builds.

again, the only difference is the mode of compilation.

Michael Hampton

Strange that the difference should be so large.

Ry Jones

shrug it's windows.

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Hennes

You say that as if it explains everything.
Oh wait. it does.

Falcon Momot

Only the size of the pointers double, so it makes sense that you're seeing the numbers you are.

Ry Jones

20:33

and, because I had the data right in front of me, release DLLs are 16 to 20% the size of debug versions of the same DLLs.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

debug symbols simply are large. Why do you think they get stripped by default?

Ry Jones

@DennisKaarsemaker amazing, it's almost like I made a trivial point because I had the data, and I said so.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

dennis@spirit:~/code/git$ ls -lah git
-rwxrwxr-x 1 dennis dennis 8,5M aug 14 11:58 git
dennis@spirit:~/code/git$ strip --strip-debug git
dennis@spirit:~/code/git$ ls -lah git
-rwxrwxr-x 1 dennis dennis 1,8M aug 19 22:38 git

mfinni

21:18

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Q: High load of RAM but low CPU

I've a dedicated problem.. When I make a load test with ~500 connections, CPU stay low (about 30%) but memory grow up fast ! And I have a 100% used RAM and 50% used SWAP.. An other dedicated with 2x lower configuration run easy 500 COs.. I don't know what I need to do.. Thanks for your help

apache-2.2 php memory wordpress cpu

That is a very dedicated problem

cole

23:04

FYI

My director will be sending out an email to all of the employees in Operations about their language and what-not.

Mark Henderson

@cole Do I work for your director?

cole

He's apparently very upset about what happened. Although he doesn't know about me, he doesn't stand for that shit.

Mark Henderson

@cole Whoah back up for those of us that are in GMT+10

What happened?

cole

yesterday, by cole

Friday two coworkers were talking in the cube next to me. I don't recall how the conversation started but one made a "tranny" joke. Next thing I know one goes "hey dude - look at this. This is a girl" (it's his friend that's FTM) Then the really derogatory comments start.

yesterday, by cole

They literally ripped him apart and kept calling him a girl. Then one was like "Have you fucked him because he has a vagina?"

Ry Jones

@cole so good for you

hope that wakes them up

cole

23:09

@RyJones kudos to my boss for going directly to HR too.

He didn't sit on it.

Ry Jones

@cole actually, yes, that as well

Zoredache

Does anyone know of a self-hosted version of a web-based dig tool? (like digwebinterface.com).

Ry Jones

no, but it shouldn't be too hard to gin one up

and it certainly looks like everyone with an interest in DNS has :)

cole

That would be kinda neat, I think

Zoredache

@RyJones right, I was just trying to be lazy. I wanted to link to a tool from the nagios web interface.

Ry Jones

23:15

I wish I could find the DNS debugger web interface I used to use like a decade ago

Michael Hampton

Ehhh...PHP's DNS functions have some fatal flaws. You'd practically have to call dig and parse its output.

Zoredache

@RyJones the really popular one form a decade ago was dnsstuff.com. The domain got sold though.

Mark Henderson

@cole Ouch

Some "friend"

cole

@MarkHenderson exactly

Michael Hampton

23:49

Hm, my puppet dashboard should not be "Apache 2 Test Page"...

cole

@MichaelHampton uh oh

HopelessN00b

You prefer the IIS welcome page to the Apache Test Page, I take it?

Michael Hampton

@cole Puppet itself still seems to be working...

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