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05:26
Notice anything wrong with this?
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06:26
EPEL. Just Do It.
 
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10:02
@MikeyB 127.0.0.1 would be more suspicious. That guy's a known hacker.
10:19
@Ladadadada I keep getting hacked by ::1, that guy is smart!
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iptables -I INPUT 1 -s 127.0.0.1 -j DROP
ip6tables -I INPUT 1 -s ::1 -j DROP
11:19
@MDMarra install a ts gateway and use iTap on Mac. No more VPN!
@MikeyB I'm guessing load balancing going haywire with no source-ip being carried to the backend.. :)
Anyone with awk-foo ? Want to print apache logs based on the last field which is response time (in microseconds) > 1000 ; currently at tailf access_log | awk ' { print $NF }' how do I get the conditional working?
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Q: Is there a basic tutorial for grep, awk and sed?

MachaI've been a Linux user for a while, and I've a pretty decent understanding of most the common command line utilities. However, ones that come up and up again in relation to programming are grep, awk, and sed. About the only thing I've used grep for is piping stuff into it to find files in log fi...

@Iain thanks Iain , I was going through the awk tutorial
damn! how come I am not part of unix.SX? that's practically all I need to live in my life!!!
You have a life? ;p
@JourneymanGeek yeah, right now its called job. After mid-Aug it'll be studies :)
12:21
unix.SE revolves around grep, awk and sed it seems
I keep wondering why people in there are so afraid of learning actual programming languages... Most questions should be answered "don't do that. Learn perl/python/ruby"
@DennisKaarsemaker because you need to work on the bash prompt instead of an IDE?
@Sudhi who said anything about an ide?
vim will do just fine for perlscripts
or python, or ruby, or C
@DennisKaarsemaker I use vim, point is not about IDE/editor/vim/emacs; point is you are at a prompt, and you need to construct your one-liner on the go, one step by step
perl -pi .... :)
and no, the questions in unix.SE I was talking about are not oneliners
but people actually writing many-line awk scripts like it's 1989
Hmm, the (featured questions) [unix.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=featured] section of unix.SE says otherwise. I dont see much of sed/awk/grep there
damn! I never get URL'ing text in markdown, #alwaysForgets
12:30
[description](url)
and maybe unix.SE is quiet on the awk front today :)
as for the abundance of sed/awk/grep in unix world, it's simply because they are the building blocks for unix commands. Can you imagine writing a program in python without dicts or lists?
anyways, this is futile discussion. I agree, you're right. I need to run now :)
unix.SE is where the real neckbeards go. So if your goal in life is to have a six foot neckbeard...
@MichaelHampton wouldn't mind sporting a neckbeard for a while. Not sure if I will go to unix.SE for that :P
@MichaelHampton a neckbeard is not required afaik :)
@DennisKaarsemaker No, but it helps!
 
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Looks like my next little project is going to be learning systemtap.
14:18
'morning
14:46
Questions are sucking this weekend
@ewwhite That's every weekend.
@ewwhite s/this/as usual for a /
I'm answering old community bumped questions. With code. It's a bad weekend.
I'm -1 for the day so far and the only question I've answered isn't going to go well
@ewwhite app.strava.com/activities/43843789 @Ward a bit snowy but quite a good ride this morning
15:07
Three weeks in Thailand and I never once compared remote assistance software. So much for following my own advice.
@DennisKaarsemaker Ach und Strudel... :-)
If I were spending three weeks in Thailand, I would not be comparing remote assistance software. I can do that at home.
@MilesErickson How's the world tour going ?
@MichaelHampton Yes, but, serverfault.com/questions/196493/…
@Iain Quite well. Currently on the bank of the Mekong in Stung Treng, Cambodia. Just started traveling by bicycle a couple of days ago.
@MilesErickson Compare remote assistance software while on the plane. Spend time with the beautiful people while in Thailand...
15:13
@MilesErickson You need a strava account we can follow you on
@Iain People routinely have a hard time believing that I can fit everything I need for 6 months into an 18-liter bag. For my part, I can't figure out why all the other farang around here seem to have brought their kitchen sinks.
@Iain Could be fun. I'll look into that.
@MilesErickson Excluding food, of course.
Cheers, all!
@MichaelHampton Here, paying for dinner with a crisp $1 bill often yields change... so yes, not much food in there.
15:41
@MichaelHampton FYI, I'm working on getting my sites v6 accessible
@Jacob fancy
we're sooo far away from that
@ewwhite Eh, I mean I have the space, so why not use it
@ewwhite Oh, it's not terribly hard. Go get a /48 and start passing out candy.
@MichaelHampton I don't get how subnetting should be done, I feel like I should run my sites off a /128
15:56
@MichaelHampton Imagine it at the scale of my employer
we're not ready
@Jacob The easy way is a /64 for every VLAN
The somewhat harder way is a /64 (or multiple subnets) for every customer. This gets tricky if you have multiple customers on the same VLAN because you are short on IPv4 addresses.
@MichaelHampton I have a /64 on my ESXi box, I'm trying to figureout how much of that should run my web stuff...
16:14
Hi all
@Jacob Um... all of it?
16:33
hola
16:49
@MichaelHampton We do a single on-link /64 and people can pick addresses from it at their leisure - if they want their own subnet then we propose our own on-link for them to use and route a subnet to it
also, you shouldn't ever have subnets smaller than /64 in your routing backbone - some TCAMs can't handle it point blank, others incur a big penalty if they have to deal with it
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Q: How does IPv6 subnetting work and how does it differ from IPv4 subnetting?

Michael Hampton This is a Canonical Question about IPv6 Subnetting. Related: How does IPv4 Subnetting Work? I know a lot about IPv4 Subnetting, and as I prepare to (deploy|work on) an IPv6 network I need to know how much of this knowledge is transferable and what I still need to learn. IPv6 ...

@Olipro If you want a fast 500 rep, put up a nice answer to that question :)
I can't resist
And if there's another question people should be asking, edit the question :)
@MichaelHampton, whats gonna happen to NAT in IPv6?
@tacos_tacos_tacos There is no NAT in IPv6.
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Q: Switch to IPv6 and get rid of NAT? Are you kidding?

ErnieSo our ISP has set up IPv6 recently, and I've been studying what the transition should entail before jumping into the fray. I've noticed three very important issues: Our office NAT router (an old Linksys BEFSR41) does not support IPv6. Nor does any newer router, AFAICT. The book I'm reading ab...

17:00
@MichaelHampton, wow i thought they would port it over - a lot of people implicitly depend on nat for security
@tacos_tacos_tacos They're going to have to put up firewalls :)
i guess this is the way it was suppsoed to work
Yeah, it's the way the Internet worked long ago, and will again.
NAT broke too much shit. Hell I can't even make a phone call reliably because of it. I want NAT fucking GONE.
@MichaelHampton Better hit the stasis chamber...
you have to admit they have come up with some pretty slick workarounds
I will be happy though not having to configure Layer 7 BS anymore for ssl sites
17:05
@tacos_tacos_tacos What, you don't think SNI is a slick workaround?
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A: Multiple SSL domains on the same IP address and same port?

Michael HamptonYes, but there are some caveats. This is accomplished through Server Name Indication, an extension to Transport Layer Security. What is Server Name Indication? Server Name Indication (RFC 6066; obsoleted RFC 4366, RFC 3546) is an extension to Transport Layer Security which allows the client to...

Of particular note, no version of Internet Explorer on Windows XP supports SNI :(
@tacos_tacos_tacos So tell anybody who wants to keep XP that they have to use IPv6 :)
Oh wait, that won't work either...
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A: Disable IPv6 address autoconfiguration on Windows XP

Michael HamptonGetting an XP box up on my local IPv6 network was... fun. Not. So, in one image, here's the problem: XP's support for IPv6 is minimal at best. I don't believe it's possible to disable stateless autoconfiguration - or even to use anything but. First off, I get my stateless autoconfiguration ju...

@MichaelHampton IPv6 is awesome, but it's not going to become the primary stack for a very long and painful time. First RIRs are going to scrape back existing v4 pools and what not
@Jacob Maybe so. But maybe I can convince a few people to deploy it slightly sooner, and it'll take off slightly faster.
@MichaelHampton I appluade you for that, but as a server host, people just don't want to use it because it's different
17:15
@Jacob People complain if their cheese gets moved. That's hardly insurmountable.
I don't see it in the cards at MY job, where it could actually be helpful
so I anticipate sloooow adoption
@ewwhite Eh... I don't think THEY will deploy it until either lots of customers ask for it, or they have absolutely no choice (in which case they'll have to spend a fortune on consultants to rush the project).
@Jacob how are they going to scrape back v4?
if the RIRs are actually doing that, APNIC doesn't appear to be having much luck
@Olipro I bet it will get more intense over time
meaning?
17:29
@Olipro tougher justification, pulling reserve pools, etc.
once addresses are depleted, justification is a formality, you prove you need some address space and you get a single /23 and that is all you get, for life
and by "are depleted" I mean < 1 * /8
It is study for an exam. I asked a question and showed my workings just like I have done dozens of times on math.stackexchange when it comes to math and from stackoverflow when it comes to programming. I have learned loads from the help I received on those sites, I figured I could get help with network related issues here. — sonicboom 2 mins ago
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@MichaelHampton I use Dibbler on XP for DHCPv6
works well
also, if you're using DHCPv6, you should probably disable the AdvAutonomous flag on your RA announcer(s)
otherwise hosts just end up with both a DHCPv6 address and a SLAAC one
of course, you can do a very short preferred lifetime in the RA, but that's hacky
Ha. It would have never occurred to me to use a third party DHCP(v6) client on Windows.
yeah, a Polish chap did it for his university course, cross platform and open-source
I've considered it for linux since it's unsurprisingly less bloated than the ISC implementation
but then again, given that it's ISC, what isn't >_>
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A: How does IPv6 subnetting work and how does it differ from IPv4 subnetting?

Olipro IPv6 is 128 bits, so why is /64 the smallest recommended subnet for hosts? This prefix size was originally recommended in an older RFC - there has since been a revison to this policy where the issue of Neighbour Discovery Attacks is considered and using a /126 is a valid mitigation - nonetheles...

18:24
@MichaelHampton IPv6 is a Go
@Jacob Woohoo!
@MichaelHampton Or not.. It appears I need to make some changes to apache.. Hrm
]# ping6 google.com
PING google.com(dfw06s03-in-x07.1e100.net) 56 data bytes
64 bytes from dfw06s03-in-x07.1e100.net: icmp_seq=0 ttl=57 time=1.12 ms
Well, you at least have connectivity.
No good if my webserver isn't serving over it
<VirtualHost *:80 [2001:db8::3f]:80>
 ip addr
18:33
you can just bind it to the unspecified address ::
akin to 0.0.0.0
18:57
@MichaelHampton thegamerhoster.com should be v6 connected
correction, now it should be
Mod SSL doesn't like it when you ask it to Listen [2606:db00:0:c::2]:80
You aren't listening on IPv6 at all. Did you open up the firewall?
@MichaelHampton It should be....
It is
Or does Hurricane Electric just suck?
tcp 0 0 67.222.132.132:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5004/httpd
tcp 0 0 2606:db00:0:c::2:80 :::* LISTEN 5004/httpd
@MichaelHampton not HE
Oh, yes, it's HE all right. That's where traceroute mysteriously ends.
$ traceroute6 thegamerhoster.com
traceroute to thegamerhoster.com (2606:db00:0:c::2), 30 hops max, 80 byte packets
 1  2001:4830:1600:80bf::1 (2001:4830:1600:80bf::1)  1.493 ms  1.157 ms  0.467 ms
 2  gw-192.qas-01.us.sixxs.net (2001:4830:1600:bf::1)  47.927 ms  48.514 ms  56.309 ms
 3  sixxs-asbnva-gw.customer.occaid.net (2001:4830:e6:7::2)  56.776 ms  57.103 ms  56.750 ms
 4  sixxs-gw.hotnic.us.occaid.net (2001:4830:e6:7::1)  57.088 ms  56.775 ms  56.401 ms
 5  10gigabitethernet2-2.core1.ash1.he.net (2001:504:0:2::6939:1)  59.995 ms  63.378 ms  58.617 ms
19:04
@MichaelHampton ? I don't have HE.
You don't, but your upstream apparently does.
And stupid VZ doesn't have IPv6 allocs for consumer level :(
Yeah, HE sux.
@Jacob You DO know how to read a traceroute, right?
19:06
@MichaelHampton Yes, but I have no idea what HE is doing, I'm assuming your using your V6 comcast?
[error@hozen ~]$ traceroute6 thegamerhoster.com
traceroute to thegamerhoster.com (2606:db00:0:c::2), 30 hops max, 80 byte packets
 1  2604:2880::1 (2604:2880::1)  0.324 ms  0.442 ms  0.280 ms
 2  2001:550:2:3c::2:1 (2001:550:2:3c::2:1)  57.843 ms  57.813 ms  57.704 ms
 3  * * *
 4  2001:550::1091 (2001:550::1091)  30.831 ms  30.819 ms  30.817 ms
 5  2001:550::189 (2001:550::189)  30.602 ms 2001:550::142 (2001:550::142)  30.787 ms  30.688 ms
 6  2001:550::1041 (2001:550::1041)  30.710 ms  30.756 ms  30.685 ms
From elsewhere.
I can reach you from there.
I mean, I have no v6 connectivity from home so.
Oh wait, it went over V4.
@ewwhite However, Yes HE does infact suck
[error@hozen ~]$ wget --delete-after thegamerhoster.com
--2013-03-10 19:06:49--  thegamerhoster.com
Resolving thegamerhoster.com (thegamerhoster.com)... 2606:db00:0:c::2, 67.222.132.132
Connecting to thegamerhoster.com (thegamerhoster.com)|2606:db00:0:c::2|:80... failed: Permission denied.
I still think you have firewall issues.
19:11
@MichaelHampton WHERPS. try again please
dennis@koekblik:~$ nc -w3 -vz 2606:db00:0:c::2 80
Connection to 2606:db00:0:c::2 80 port [tcp/http] succeeded!
HAHA, told you so.
Still can't reach you from home though, since HE sucks donkey balls.
@MichaelHampton AND NOW an open letter to HE
Dear HE,
You tried really hard to be a cheap and good carrier, but as we all know you can only pick 2 of the above, not all three. Your network is crap, and you cause people all over the world problems with your crap network. Your push for v6 connectivity is notable, but that doesn't fix your network problems.
Sincerely, Jacob (redacted)
(idea borrowed from John Green's Crash Course)
Damn, you're way too nice.
@MichaelHampton haha
19:17
Heh. In my case... email #1 would be the traceroute. email#2 would be "Stop sucking donkey balls and fix your network!"
@MichaelHampton can you reach 2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42?
--- 2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 127.364/127.449/127.539/0.325 ms
@DennisKaarsemaker Don't ask the other guy that has v6 now :( but no it's not reachable
traceroute6 2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42
traceroute to 2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42 (2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 2606:db00:0:1::1 (2606:db00:0:1::1) 0.731 ms 0.660 ms 0.613 ms
2 2607:fdb8:0:10b::1 (2607:fdb8:0:10b::1) 0.330 ms 0.290 ms 0.252 ms
3 te-5-3-0.edge3.Dallas1.Level3.net (2001:1900:4:2::231) 0.707 ms 0.669 ms 0.631 ms
4 vl-4080.edge2.Dallas1.Level3.net (2001:1900:4:1::81) 0.868 ms 0.828 ms vl-4082.edge2.Dallas1.Level3.net (2001:1900:4:1::89) 0.748 ms
5 vl-4042.edge1.NewYork1.Level3.net (2001:1900:4:1::92) 35.987 ms 36.195 ms 35.881 ms
@Jacob Ah, but I have IPv6 from multiple points on the network... :)
I'm considering a HE v6 tunnel, but I hate HE. :(
19:23
Get a SixXS tunnel instead. It actually works properly over NAT.
I actually started out with an HE tunnel, and quickly moved to sixxs.... in 2006. HE hasn't noticeably improved since.
@Jacob hmm, you reach transip (my isp) but not my host. Weird! fortunately ipv6 doesn't matter yet :)
THIS_IS_STILL_COOL_AS_HELL $ ssh murloc
error@murloc's password:
Duo two-factor login for error

Enter a passcode or select one of the following options:

 1. Duo Push to XXX-XXX-0400
 2. Phone call to XXX-XXX-0400
 3. SMS passcodes to XXX-XXX-0400

Passcode or option (1-3): 1

Pushed a login request to your phone...
Success. Logging you in...
[error@murloc ~]$
@DennisKaarsemaker What do you have?
@Jacob -EPARSE
@MichaelHampton HOLD THE PHONE, TWO CAN PLAY THAT GAME
@DennisKaarsemaker What?
19:26
@DennisKaarsemaker Yeah, my traceroute stops there too. Is somebody dropping ICMPv6 that they shouldn't?
-A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -p icmp -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -p ipv6-icmp -j ACCEPT
that's my entire v6 firewall :) can you reach port 80?
[error@murloc ~]$ wget -6 http://[2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42]/
--2013-03-10 19:27:42--  http://[2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42]/
Connecting to 2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42:80... failed: Connection refused.
ah, nginx not listening on port 80. Forgot that after yesterdays reinstall
@DennisKaarsemaker :P
19:30
@DennisKaarsemaker yep
@DennisKaarsemaker What are you host in Amsterdam?
[error@murloc ~]$ wget -6 http://[2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42]/
--2013-03-10 19:30:57--  http://[2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42]/
Connecting to 2a01:7c8:aaaa:66::42:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: kaarsemaker.net [following]
--2013-03-10 19:30:57--  kaarsemaker.net
Resolving www.kaarsemaker.net... failed: No address associated with hostname.
wget: unable to resolve host address “www.kaarsemaker.net”
@MichaelHampton your dns is fucked
@DennisKaarsemaker Actually it's your DNS that's fucked...you forgot your AAAA record
hm, or wget doesn't like a redirect to an ipv4-only site?
@DennisKaarsemaker I put -6 on the command line, see? :)
19:32
ah yes
And a TTL of 86400 seconds... WTF?
Wow, We're cooler than 99% of the Internet because we have v6 connectivity!
@Jacob Sorry, our coolness is down to 98.8% now.
@MichaelHampton We could round up and not tell anybody.
Too late. In the next year, hundreds of millions of people are going to have IPv6 rolled out at home. Enjoy the dancing turtle while you can...
19:43
@MichaelHampton Really, what makes you say such things?
@Jacob Comcast is rolling out this year, BT is rolling out this year, and probably many others I haven't heard about.
@MichaelHampton VZ said that 3 years ago
I have IPv6 on my Verizon PHONE already.
@MichaelHampton Really, Because FIOS is v4 only, what do you want me to do?!?
@Jacob Write an open letter to Verizon?
19:47
@Jacob make a facebook page and tell people to "share this page if you want Verizon to support IPv6"
@Jacob They're certainly taking their time rolling it out. Then again, it is a large project.
@MichaelHampton I have v6 on my VZ phone too.
@MichaelHampton Don't you have Dual stack Comcast?
@Jacob Nope, Comcrap hasn't rolled it out here yet.
Using a sixxs tunnel at home.
19:56
@MichaelHampton Hrm, VZW requires v6 on LTE devices
@Jacob That's oooold news :)
Like, 2009 old
@MichaelHampton v6 is old, what's your point
@Jacob It takes longer to roll out IPv6 when you're a large ISP with a zillion customers than when you're a web hosting company with just a rack or two.
@MichaelHampton :(
They've had it in planning since four years ago, when it wasn't on anybody's radar.
So... I think Verizon will give you IPv6 just as soon as they can. :)
20:02
@MichaelHampton what's wrong with a one day ttl?
@MichaelHampton Though, my "2 racks or so" took about 2 months from plan to production
it's not like I change that name every hour :)
@DennisKaarsemaker Waiting a day for everyone's caches to expire.
or that I'd care about downtime on personal crap
Hell, I care about downtime on personal crap.
20:03
10 hours ago, by Dennis Kaarsemaker
@Ladadadada I keep getting hacked by ::1, that guy is smart!
I notice a trend in your Networking skills....
I monitor my personal crap the same as any other production system. Even if I do cowboy it up a bit more with my own stuff...
@MichaelHampton What personal crap is so important?
@Jacob If I can't take care of my own stuff, how can I be trusted to take care of anyone else's?
@MichaelHampton Eh, you're not losing money when stuff goes down.
@Jacob Well, actually I am...even if it is only $15 or $20 a day in ad revenues.
Hell, I write documentation for my personal crap.
20:08
@MichaelHampton What site do you get 20$ a day in ad revenue do you have?
@Jacob Hehe. I don't talk about that here. It's really not productive.
@MichaelHampton what do you use for adds?
@LucasKauffman Google mostly. Some Amazon ads, though that's maybe $10 a month total.
@MichaelHampton LOOKS LIKE WE FOUND THE P0RN HOSTER ON SF!!!!
@Jacob haha, no, I'm not doing porn. If I were, I'd be making a LOT more money.
20:10
WHOO, all my sites are v6 connected
@MichaelHampton I got binned from google adds :(
dunno why
@Jacob ouch! :)
@LucasKauffman I dunno why either. But I would guess someone you know decided they would "help" you by clicking your ads over and over and over.
Now to finish MMonit
OMG EVERYONE I GOT A TAR COMMAND RIGHT. On my first try.
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@Jacob In another few years, you'll get them right about 20% of the time!
20:22
@MichaelHampton you know if there is a way to recover from that?
@LucasKauffman You tell them that you had a chat with the offending party, involving the liberal application of tweezers to fingernails and a ball peen hammer to other parts, and that it won't happen again, and maybe they might let you back in. But it's really up to them.
@ewwhite Are you around?
20:49
@Jacob sure
@ewwhite Since you suggested MMonit, any reason it defaults to :8080?
@Jacob I suggest the use of Monit.
M/Monit isn't very good
well it depends on what you need to see and what you have to monitor
??
21:07
@ewwhite MMonit does remote hosts via Agent?
(thats what I need)
16 mins ago, by ewwhite
well it depends on what you need to see and what you have to monitor
so what do you need to see and what do you need to monitor?
@ewwhite Well, Basic stats, uptime, load avg, RAM usage, connections, net traffic,
@Jacob Monit is meant to be installed locally. It's an efficient daemon that has an embedded web server and can report on system health and process health.
All M/Monit does is add a collector on a centralized server to receive the same status presented on the local Monit installation. M/Monit == multi-Monit.
M/Monit then
But M/Monit doesn't do much.
it's a poor application
Monit by itself is quite useful.
21:13
I'd much rather have centralized monitoring
Unix-only.
@ewwhite That's fine
M/Monit just gives an indicator of server health
for real monitoring, you'll want other utilities.
I don't know anyone who can do it all in one application.
21:34
nagios+mod_gearman+multisite
I hate mod_gearman, but nagios is sloppy and leaves too many processes around if you restart it often (and we do)
22:09
Nagios XI seems to have a pretty well-rounded set of functionality included
I've never used XI, but normal nagios doesn't scale to our scale.
they packaged rrd graphing with it instead of requiring nagios_pnp or whatever it was called
also made the GUI actually usable
ah. We use graphite for graphing and multisite makes all nagios ui problems go away too
When I monitored stuff with Nagios, I used Cacti for graphing
that thing was a real pain in the ass to set up
22:33
cacti is still great value for graphing
I mean, if something work and it's free then yeah
it's a great value haha
:)
would be nice with alerts in cacti tho.. think there is a plugin for it now, haven't had the time to test it
yeah there's one
@pauska Haven't ever used Cacti for alerting
thold
22:35
thold
Never used it though
I don't like RRDs in general, they glob up data that should remain granular
I really just need notifications of return rate, latency and 95th bandwith. Probably going to install thold next week and see how it runs.
cacti is a pain in the butt, graphite is the bees knees
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