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12:00 AM
@Tanner That one's pretty good, yeah. but I tend to love fresh hop pale ales
 
Need more Stout. Need less IPA.
@FalconMomot Can you use your programmery magic and make the Tenable appliance have things like progress bars?
 
Pinging google.com [173.194.43.38] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 173.194.43.38: bytes=32 time=2198ms TTL=52
Reply from 173.194.43.38: bytes=32 time=1244ms TTL=52
Reply from 173.194.43.38: bytes=32 time=843ms TTL=52
Reply from 173.194.43.38: bytes=32 time=1661ms TTL=52
something seems a little...off...
 
@MDMarra I've expanded the scope of my job exponentially since I got here, my actual job is IS security... but since there was no way to secure... nothing, I had to build everything and learn how to do it.
 
@ScottPack How about mixing the two together and having a Black IPA?
 
@ScottPack probably not, but that is a cool product by the looks of it (never used it). it looks similar to something I've been working with some friends on.
 
12:02 AM
I'm getting similar from my wifi O_o
 
Yeah. Those are good first jobs. They catapult you. The trick is figuring out how long do you stay.
 
IMO the willingness and ability to learn > expierence
 
@NathanC is that an inmarsat link or something?
 
@FalconMomot Nope, cable...something's wrong with my router again
 
12:03 AM
looks like my wifi at nights
 
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 1273ms, Average = 166ms
 
I kinda figure the day I stop building new things, and learning new things, is the day to move on... if not sooner
 
This is to my router
 
@NathanC I'll say... or the modem, or the CMTS, or the NOC.
 
@MattBear Without willingness and ability to learn, you don't get experience, you just get time spent
 
12:03 AM
IMO the willingness and ability to think > expierence
 
@FalconMomot The appliance is just meh. Personally, I think I would have rather just installed SecurityCenter directly on a rhel system.
 
looks like it needs a restart...
 
@freiheit I'd be willing to give it a shot.
 
@ScottPack I wish I had a mock-up to show you what I am working on... it's basically a paradigm-shifted SIEM.
 
@FalconMomot If you ever do, you got my contact info?
 
12:05 AM
@ScottPack I can ping you when we have something worth showing off, if you want, sure.
 
@FalconMomot Sure, I'm always willing to look at stuff.
@FalconMomot Hell, if it's something I like well enough I'm even willing to do crazy things like file bug reports and even prototype patches. Cuz I'm awesome like that.
 
it'll probably be closed source, but...
 
Lamer
 
The moment I start a steam download the pings go from normal to >900ms
wha....
 
Once I get this unrelenting thesis out of the way I've been trying to decide on a good side project to pick up. I've got some ideas but nothing really ground breaking or full fleshed out yet.
 
12:07 AM
we originally intended it as an automation tool to allow us to run a security event monitoring contractor with three employees
necessity is the mother of invention.
 
Do you mean to allow 3 people to act as an MSSP?
 
@FalconMomot and the father is free time + beer
and a buddy telling you that you cant do it
 
@FalconMomot That's pretty much why I learned cobbler and puppet. We needed useful IDS and I had a nearly unlimited number of shitty computers and span ports available.
 
@ScottPack 3 people, part time
 
@MattBear Then.... how did beer ever get invented? ;)
 
12:10 AM
@freiheit free time, and the need for a way to deal with women?
 
@freiheit Mead
 
@ScottPack good plan.
 
@FalconMomot Still in the building phase or did you make it work?
 
@ScottPack mead is GOOOOD
haha
 
@ScottPack I'd say wine. Basically makes itself. You have to go through more effort to get plain grape juice.
 
12:11 AM
The last time I tried to make mead I brewed something that tasted like kerosene and could probably run a car.
 
@ScottPack the MSSP is working, but the product is still in early planning.
 
@MattBear Yeah, Mead makes great paperclips.
 
I make spiced mead for Christmas... its awesome
grrrrr my shoulder is pissing me the fuck off, its pain just radiating all the way up my neck into the base of my skull
 
(Basically: Wine=1 step, Mead = 2 or 3 steps, Beer = over 4 steps)
 
@FalconMomot I wish you the best of luck, man. I've gone through two SIEM RFPs at this point and have been in bed with both 1st and 2nd gen products. The market could stand for another shakeup.
 
12:12 AM
@ScottPack You can say that again
 
@freiheit As soon as I get my lazy ass down to a local wine shop I plan on doing cider. Yummo.
 
@ScottPack mulled wine is good too
:D
 
@FalconMomot We used enVision for a number of years, and well...yeah. We've been with Nitro for a couple of years. It's a pretty dang neat product, but definitely some oddities and some pretty rough edges.
 
@ScottPack most people I've worked with have been trying to make do with qradar and arcsight
 
@FalconMomot Yea gods
@FalconMomot Arcsight was a finalist when we did enVision. Yes, it could do everything you could ever hope for.
@FalconMomot All it cost was the GDP of several small nation-states and looking at the interface was like getting into a staring match with Cthulhu.
 
12:15 AM
Yup.
 
We looked at qRadar this time. I was less than impressed.
 
the problem I have with arcsight is that it doesn't really do anything.
 
After all that booze talk, it must be time to go drink some booze
 
damn, my scotch glass is empty, and the office is down to our last bottle of scotch.
I wonder if I can get away with expensing a barrel and a spigot?
 
@FalconMomot If I recall qRadar was the one where we asked about alerting based on MAC address. They didn't index that field and were completely stumped. They couldn't comprehend why that would be useful.
 
12:17 AM
@FalconMomot customer relation lubricant?
wait... that sounds dirty
 
@ScottPack sounds like IBM.
 
12:34 AM
HNNGGG
This Java remote media applet is killing me.
 
@FalconMomot Only with less blue.
 
Trying to install on OS using IPMI and it's transferring the ISO at roughly 100Kbps
 
same deal on older hp ilo's
 
That's okay, whenever I try to download something I effectively DoS myself
 
Client Hyper-V is the coolest
I'm doing a storage live-migration now
on my fucking laptop
 
12:45 AM
Has anyone experienced this before? When not pushing data, pings are fine. As soon as I try downloading something or even run a speed test, the pings skyrocket into the 500ms range
or nighter
*higher
 
ya...congestion
 
for WSUS, what database should I use?
WID or SQL?
 
@MDMarra Storage migration on your laptop? From where to where?
 
now i lost internet on my desktop...wtf -_-
 
@jscott c:\users\public\documents\VMs to C:\VMs
 
12:48 AM
@NathanC it's a QoS policy shaping your traffic
 
@MattBear SQL express is fine if you're not using SCCM or something else.
 
QoS is turned off on the router
I've even factory reset the damn thing...
 
Your ISP is shaping it
 
@jscott just because I'm installing 100+ patches right now and dont want to wait to shutdown to move it
 
@pauska Doesn't explain why my local pings are spiking
 
12:49 AM
@MattBear WID
 
@NathanC wat
 
@pauska Yeah, I go download something and the pings to the router jump to 200ms+
 
how much bandwith usage are we talking about here?
 
I'm pushing maybe 1 MB/s
 
oh, don't ping the router - ping something else on the same network
 
12:53 AM
and no internet again...it wasn't doing this a few hours ago...
 
@ScottPack isn't qradar an IBM product now?
I thought they bought the guys that made it...
 
Yep...when downloading something, pings from my desktop -> laptop spike
usually it hangs around 5ms, now it's going to 100ms
i think this router's on its last legs ...
 
they last longer if you turn off the routing bits and use them as an AP.
 
@FalconMomot Maybe? I'd have to look it up
 
I just deleted a 1TB partition from a disk volume and now I have that gap on the volume. What is the Windows (Server) way to move the other partitions so that I have continuous free space at the end of the volume?
 
1:04 AM
@OliverSalzburg Reboot into Linux!
 
@MikeyB Yeah, I would love to reduce downtime ;D
 
@OliverSalzburg I'm not quite sure if you can do that
you can extend a dynamic volume to anywhere you have free space, but not move the partitions..
 
Humm. Maybe I'll just "shuffle" around some data then :P
 
Wow
I just got hit by the best phishing attempt I've ever seen
 
@MarkHenderson Was it from @Adobe.com?
 
1:14 AM
@jscott ebay
The only reason I didn't fall for it is because I noticed that the email address I use for ebay is redirected to my gmail account, but this one is sent directly to my gmail, rather than being forwarded
And I only noticed that at the last second
 
screenshots por favor?
:p
 
They somehow got ebay.co.au instead of ebay.com.au
That's going to catch a lot of people I think
Wait
Shit
That is a real fucking email from ebay!
 
Wait, "ebay.co.au" is not good? I thought domains like "ebay.co.uk" were legit?
 
They just have a fucking typo in their email
@jscott You're right; it's a typo in the email
But that's not my ebay address
I'm so confused
 
mee to
 
1:19 AM
I would expect if you drove to the AU eBay site by hand and log in, you would find any related messages in your inbox there.
 
me too
you are not alone -)))
 
Because I just actually got that message when I tried to log into my account
Ok nvm
 
coworker got that one today aswell
it was legit
 
Just my overly suspicious nature because of the fact that they have a typo in their URLs
@jscott Exactly; and now I can't log into my account and I got the same message
 
And I see you still use an older avatar on Gmail.
 
1:21 AM
@jscott Yeah that's a photo from when I was 9 years old :P
G+ made me put one up so I used that one
 
And use pinned tabs, and chat with insanity. I'm scared now.
 
Yep; there it is; in my ebay inbox
@jscott Actually he and I had a falling outp; we don't talk any more
 
But insanity is at the top of your list still! :)
 
@jscott No idea why
I want to know what they did on my account now; and how they got in. My passwords aren't exactly easy
 
@MDMarra: imgur.com/a/2qL6V windows dedup is pretty impressive.
 
1:24 AM
Is that on Win 8?
or 8.1?
 
windows 8
 
evenin' gents.
 
not upgraded yet
 
HAHAHA IT WAS MY WIFE
eBay took her purchases to be fraud
I just got a call from her "Hey I can't get into your ebay account!"
She also changed my email address because she was sick of not getting copies of the emails
Everything is revealed
 
Dang, caught the perp.
 
1:31 AM
@jscott I'll punish her when I get home
And its my birthday today so she better enjoy it
 
I'm certain you will, and happy birthday to you, but don't let her scuttle your excellent eBay buyer reputation. :)
 
@jscott Haha been stalking me have you?
 
@MarkHenderson Happy Birthday, scumbag.
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how do I run MMC as another user
 
@Wesley Thanks
 
1:38 AM
@JoelESalas As in shift + right click "run as a different user" or launching mmc.exe from a cmd process running as another user?
If the user is logged in, but you've not the password, you can use owexec.
 
@MDMarra Interesting post about mid-level admins and never taking a job you're qualified for. I'm seeing a lot of positions here that want the moon and stars of out of a mid-level position and are left open indefinitely in hopes that the right person will walk in the door.
 
Ya but arent you interviewing at startups a lot?
They're different animals
 
Startups are the marsupials of the corporate world.
 
1:55 AM
@MarkHenderson Happy Birthday, Mark.
The Best Wishes.
 
@Magellan sigh
 
@Wesley Yeah. 6 persons teams that they're leaving half the positions open for. Or changing the title on the description around every couple months hoping to get some action on it.
Could be either one.
 
@Magellan linky?
 
it's starred over there ----------->
2 hours ago, by MDMarra
the people that take mid-sized admin jobs are typically either people on their way up, or burnt out neck beards protecting their castle
 
@MDMarra reading back through your blog and seeing the "no money but need imaging" problem - have/had you heard of FOG?
 
2:10 AM
@Andrew I hate thick images.
I'd rather roll my own post-deployment scripts in PowerShell than capture images
 
FOG works when you have Linux servers...
 
cool...a game that's at least a few years old supports dual monitors
almost no game i've seen does...
 
hmm
I'd love to thin image but customising software deployment is hard :/ and sometimes software deployment is hard
 
How can I defrag unmovable files?
Is there some bootable defrag tool somewhere?
 
@MDMarra ... PartedMagic? :P
 
2:15 AM
Won't that kill Windows later than Vista?
 
Since I've moved to the land of VMs and SAN, idgf about defrag. When I used to it was: mydefrag.com
 
the linux LiveCD, not the dodgy Windows partition program
 
@jscott For my laptop
Now that I think I have Server 2012 R2's dedup ported to 8.1, I need a D: drive since you can't enable dedupe on a boot volume
 
Defrak?
 
But, of course, I can only shrink so much bc of unmovable files
 
2:17 AM
Oh snap
 
I'm definitely ruining my laptop tonight
 
Is this the MacBook?
 
Nope, my work laptop
Because fuck it
 
Well then, carry on.
 
Lenovo T430
I'm definitely not doing any of this in a VM
Installing cabs from 2012 R2 with DISM, enabling server features on 8.1, etc
What's the worst that can happen?
 
2:20 AM
exactly it already did.
 
Reimage. That's all I can think of. And I don't think that's even bad.
 
yeah
Well it's bad because it would mean I'd need to go into the office and hang my head in shame
And give it to one of our support guys and explain how I was like, yeah bro just porting server features to client SKUs. Don't mind me.
 
lol, why?! They don't let you access enough SCCM to reimage your own notebok without getting caught?
 
I have no access internally
I'm just a regular old user
The only thing I'm admin on is my laptop
 
Backwards
 
2:23 AM
Nah, it's for the best
We have enough going on with clients to have to get sucked in to internal fixes
 
I get it, that makes sense.
I'm a limited user everywhere. We do [nearly] everything via Altiris/SCCM, so it's rare that I get to fuck something up by hand.
 
ah nice
We're out of the office to much and have to do things on the fly so we get admin
 
Yeah, once you're doing Real Work, I bet local admin makes all the difference in the world. I mean, who wants to have to, as a consultant, call their own help desk to get an elevated cmd/ps prompt?
 
exactly
And on some customer networks its not even possible with firewalls/proxies, etc
It is weird though having GPO that you know sucks applied to you and all you can do is open a ticket
 
oy, that, boy I am privileged in some ways.
 
2:28 AM
Everywhere else I've worked has been I'm in control of the internal network and everyone is limited. Here, it's the exact opposite
 
I've been on a push to get our GP reduced to "just settings stuff" instead of "lock down stuff". I'm not very popular, internally.
 
haha
What stuff do you lock down
 
Nice. My personal website finally has a lower % of IE users than Firefox.
90 day average of 29% IE to 30% Firefox.
 
All sorts of random shit, depending... Could be some menu items in Office, or IE are disabled/hidden. Might be that some ctrl+alt+del options are greyed out if you're in certain groups. Ultimately, it's all useless and adds exactly zero to the user's experience.
The funny thing is that we have a tight-assed SRP whitelist and everyone is a limited user already... There just isn't that much they can fuck up. I don't see the reason to have 5000 settings which hide/disable/remove stuff a limited user can't change.
 
Ya if you're doing SRP + AppLocker, there isnt a lot more to gain
 
2:37 AM
I won't start bitching about the web filter stuff...
 
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Q: Puppet on windows is extremely slow

EvanWindows 7, installed puppet via chocolatey. Running "Start Command Prompt with Puppet", and then creating an EMPTY file "tennessee.pp", and then invoking within the prompt puppet apply -v --debug --evaltrace --noop tennessee.pp Just sits doing absolutely nothing. I'm not sure what other debug ...

Puppet and chocolatey on Windows.
Doing. It. Wrong.
FFS.
With a litany of native tools that have a rich history and deep documentation, as well as out of the box support, you pick two non-native, unsupported, community projects to build out on. Dude must have got a bad batch of microdot.
 
2:57 AM
insidder might have saved my sanity
I THINK I've taken care of the wireless issues I've had all week
 
@Wesley The native tools ain't free or open source.
 
chocolatey is nice for some things. Mainly automated installs of open source software.
 
@jscott Active Directory / GPOs are the cost of a server license, which I would assume he has if he's in a business setting. PowerShell can take care of the rest.
And msiexec if he has a package to install.
May he be so fortunate as to have packages to install that are in MSIs.
 
@Wesley Scripting is only free if your time has no value[1]
 
@jscott True - and that's why there's a lot of automation I never got around to for some clients. Not enough money in their bank accounts, and not enough time for me to spend pouring through some advanced books.
That's why I sub out some stuff to @RyanRies to do for me. =P
 
3:02 AM
@Wesley You've said "no" to clients?! I have even more respect for you now!
 
@RyanRies brains so I don't have to.
@jscott Once in a while, it happens. =P
 
wtf 5 flags
INVALID
 
Yarp.
Invalidate all the flags!
> I have the following infrastructure and would like to share things between these subnets but don't really know how to do that. (I am just a programmer)
Enjoy the beatdown, poor little one.
 
lol 21 flags
 
> Basically, the only thing that is accessible by both houses is internet.
 
3:11 AM
gamers and their flame wars
 
@Wesley It is somewhat sad to me, given that OP's effort, and obvious intelligence, that SF will be unable to assist.
 
@jscott I'm sorry, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
 
Yet I know the question does not belong here.
 
"put them all on the same subnet" is the obvious answer?
 
How did that get an upvote?
It doesnt even belong here
aaand its gone
 
3:16 AM
MH from NH sent that shit to SU
 
aaand it's gone
 
Sorry I'm going to be a little slow for a while.
Believe it or not I have been staring at a PowerShell window for the last six hours.
 
PS C:\Windows\system32> start-dedupjob -type optimization -volume D:
FROM MY 8.1 PC
SUCK IT, LICENSE AGREEMENT
 
License agreements are for suckers...
 
Type               ScheduleType       StartTime              Progress   State                  Volume
----               ------------       ---------              --------   -----                  ------
Optimization       Manual             11:18 PM               0 %        Running                D:
yesssssss
 
3:19 AM
@MichaelHampton Have you typed anything into it? Or just staring at it?
 
@MarkHenderson I last typed something into it nearly an hour ago. Now I'm just waiting...
 
Well, he did indicate the staring.
There tends to be much of that.
 
Proof positive that, given enough time and effort and googling, you can indeed port deduplication from Server 2012 R2 to 8.1
 
Downvote on ServerFault == "you are a n00b, come back when you're not (e.g. never)"
 
3:21 AM
Does everyone have a rez above 2048x2048?
 
@MichaelHampton ooh remmina's changed some icons...
 
lol
not me
but I'm a poor student
 
@Andrew I think that's just my KDE icon set...
 
err, no. 1920*1080 is fine
 
@jscott no :(
I'm at 1920x1200
 
3:23 AM
1600x900 on one system and 1366x768 on the other
 
@MichaelHampton Why so much Azure work for you lately?
 
@MDMarra At the moment I'm making Fedora run on Azure so I can run a real build server with my free service...
 
ah
Fedora, huh?
Interesting choice
 
EL6 is too old, and EL7 isn't anywhere near ready
And FUCK UBUNTU
Oh, and the real reason I'm going to be busy for quite a while is... hackread.com/bitcointalk-hacked-email-for-sale
 
Maybe you should kill the spam on the front page first!
:D
@MichaelHampton Are you selling the hashes? Or restoring the site?
 
3:29 AM
@MDMarra No... I wrote the password handling code for that site.
 
ah
Was that the vulnerability?
 
Nope
The password hashes are almost as secure as they could have been without using SHA512 or bcrypt, but that wasn't my choice.
On the plus side it was only a couple of days work and I got paid 40 bitcoins for it.
 
nice
 
And yes, I'm reasonably sure that those are actual hashes from the DB
 
PS C:\Windows\system32> get-dedupstatus -volume d:

FreeSpace    SavedSpace   OptimizedFiles     InPolicyFiles      Volume
---------    ----------   --------------     -------------      ------
126.52 GB    24.45 GB     4                  4                  D:
So, it uh, worked
 
3:44 AM
And the real problem with having a home office is...
 
4:07 AM
Bought myself a Variety Pack of Angry Orchard ciders. I think I will just sit here for the weekend and not move except to visit the loo.
 
@Magellan Sounds like a plan.
@Magellan Is her Royal Ladyship going to interfere with those plans? =)
 
@Wesley probably. She's the one carrying twins though, so I won't complain.
 
4:26 AM
@JourneymanGeek Trying to hard to just answer one or two questions a day.
The problem is, the questions are either way over my head or asinine.
 
@Wesley yeah, its not easy
 
Hell, even after I answer a question, nobody votes on it.
 
heh, I don't ever count my dead votes
 
@MichaelHampton Pfft. I vote on stuff and you send me nasty-grams about voting irregularities. =P
 
@Magellan You're supposed to not make it so obvious that the computer revokes all your votes.
 
4:39 AM
@MichaelHampton I used to pick 3-4 answers by someone that posted something really awesome that day. Then upvote all the other good stuff in there too. That gets flagged nowadays.
goddamn SSH character escaping
hates it, I do.
 
4:51 AM
@Magellan It appears that five a day is the limit, but I wouldn't do consecutive days. I've seen a really good answer by someone, or seen a lot of unloved answers (zero upvoted accepted answers, for example) and will go on a vote spree, but save it to four a day with a day or two in between.
Oddly, I had my first vote-strafing yesterday, with all the points revoked. I felt like it was a right of passage come late in life. =P
 
@Wesley yeah, screw it. Considering how few really good contributors there are on SF currently, inadvertently tripping that is too easy.
Typical .SE bullshit of thinking that any solution that works for SO will work everywhere.
 
@Magellan All hail zee oberlords.
 
@Wesley We've been complaining loudly for years. If they don't get it nor care, it isn't worth worrying about. They aren't going to get it.
cat is irritated that I've not been paying attention to him. He's chasing his tail, which usually means he's trying to look cute and get my attention.
 
@Magellan Disco ball + laser pointer + oscillating fan. Never have to interact with the fuzzy demon again!
Except for feedings.
And poop shoveling.
 
5:06 AM
@Wesley He's fine. Just a bit cranky about the new kitty.
 
which SE site would "Why do cats chase laser pointers" be on-topic for?
 
skeptics?
 
@Andrew None?
197
Pets

Proposed Q&A site for pet owners, caretakers, breeders, veterinarians, and trainers.

Currently in commitment.

 
Only needs 3 more committers.
 
@MarkHenderson Pets suck.
See, I start to just answer one or two, and now I'm stuck again prowling.
Dangit.
Would anyone really be running a production system using macports?
Sheesh
 
5:34 AM
@Wesley: the last SF question I answered (admittedly after I had it moved to SU) involved win2k, and floppy drives
 
@JourneymanGeek You are a man among men.
 
@Wesley: I apparently like challenges. or pain.
 
@JourneymanGeek Get back to studying!
 
6:31 AM
morning cats and dogs
 
6:44 AM
G'day
@dawud I see you beat me to asking in #selinux
 
@Iain mmm, that guy just used "folder" in a *NIX context, I don't know if he's to be trusted :D
 
@dawud I know what you mean
OMG I LOVE YOU SO MUCH. — yellottyellott 6 hours ago
 
7:00 AM
great +1
 
Just for you @voretaq7
Why am I up so late. =(
 
7:15 AM
@Iain are you reading IRC? I'll try to write policy module to include a filetrans for /srv/www and check if the labeling is the right one upon dir creation
@Wesley did you paint that?
 
@dawud If I had that much talent I wouldn't be in front of a computer this late. =(
In fact, file server shares have been migrated to new storage for this place, rousing success... time for bed. They'll come in tomorrow morning and not know the difference. But I'll know. Oh, I'll know.
ZZZzzzzzz...
flees with fleas
 
night, cat
 
@dawud - right, so a simple restorecon -r /srv/www on system creation will fix it
and we shouldn't expect it to be automagic
 
Morning
 
7:31 AM
 
@Iain Yeah, restorecon always works, provided the right context exists in the policy, either by default or added by an admin (by means of semanage fcontext ). The tricky part is having the right context on file creation , which apparently can be done if you provide a custom policy module detailing the appropriate file transition operation. I'll try to give that a shot ASAP, as that is a very interesting point WRT understanding SELinux internals.
I doubt is as simple as writing a policy module from the audit2allow filtered AVC denials from audit.log . This has to be written from scratch gasp
 
7:53 AM
@JourneymanGeek Must be a catfish.
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