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12:46 AM
@ewwhite My only concern is jboss, but the entire stack is very cool stuff. Can't say much more about it :D
I'm a real boy!
 
1:29 AM
@JoelESalas Eh. $$$
 
@ewwhite is jboss $$$ in your experience
 
2:10 AM
@JoelESalas Never touched it.
 
2:20 AM
@JoelESalas Web company?
I've made the choice to drop all I know about trading systems... I'm going to a place that will be more database and web-heavy.
 
@ewwhite It is a web application, yes.
 
You won't lose your skills. Just keep abreast of what's happening.
 
3:10 AM
@ewwhite I cringed again at master/slave today
 
 
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4:35 AM
@JoelESalas It's only dirty if you make it dirty.
Oh, and @joel, you'd better show up to Jessica's meetup.
I miss @MarkHenderson. =(
 
4:48 AM
 
5:12 AM
@WesleyDavid That's the 2nd shot of a cat like that I've seen this week. Wondering how much of that's Photoshop.
 
5:22 AM
@Adrian Just one side of it.
 
5:58 AM
Can't you get rid of Exchange?
 
G'day
 
Good morning!
 
it's dark !
 
Oh, that won't last much longer.
 
it shouldn't really be dark now but we have heavy cloud
 
6:18 AM
Ha. My RSS reader just popped up with "The Lesbian Porn Viagra Boner Challenge!"
"Did you start the service, you idiot?"
 
quiet in here last night
 
I wasn't here. :)
Oh god, some of these questions tonight. I want to downvote the users with a hammer.
 
6:35 AM
like ?
 
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Q: how to instal snmp server in redhat linux?

pradiptartI am having some problem with snmp server installation.I want to install snmp server and agent also by which i can query to my local host. i have downloaded the snmp tar version as I want to write a program to get some data from a device and I did that ,but when I want to check the localhost dat...

Almost as bad: SO sent us some total crap. serverfault.com/q/420305/126632
 
@MichaelHampton :(
 
@MichaelHampton Please do provide the proper solution for this
 
@ShaneMadden Which one?
 
@MichaelHampton That's in the migrated one
 
6:45 AM
@ShaneMadden OK... but it's going to be the same, exactly...
 
I really do wish we could just stop migrations. The benefit to the OP is far outweighed by the grief/work they cause on a target site
 
They definitely seem to be overused.
 
At least require a couple approval votes on the receiving site before it fires
 
That might work.
 
that still requires work on the rx site - just plain close them OT and tell the OP based on the voting that $othersite may be more appropriate
it's not like copy+paste is hard
 
6:50 AM
@Iain Copy+paste is hard.
 
There has been a drastic drop in the number of migrations we get, though
 
has there ?
 
Yeah - the incoming migrations in last 90 days stat from SO has dropped like a rock. 6 or 8 months ago, we had gotten 1000-1100 in the last 90 days
Today it's 360.
 
I finished that bloody SELinux policy. And only had to ask for help on the selinux mailing list once.
 
@ShaneMadden I wonder what's been done then
 
6:53 AM
Who the hell schedules chat room events for THIS time of night?
 
@MichaelHampton it's a reminder for the sec.se community
 
@Iain That's probably the full force of the "4 votes to migrate to the same place or it doesn't migrate" rule for SO.. on the other hand, I remember our reject rate being around 11% then.. now it's 16%.
 
@Iain Right, I know, but it's confusing :)
 
@MichaelHampton annoying that you can't opt out too
 
Speaking of rejects, good morning @ewwhite ;)
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7:07 AM
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Q: What is the meaning of the -c parameter in the snmp command?

user1495181I am new to snmp . i want to monintor my Ubuntu machine. I execute this command (found on the web ): snmpget -v 1 -c "community" localhost .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.3.1 i wonder what is it the -c parameter (didnt success to figure it out from the man). In the man they explain with this example: ...

 
7:24 AM
@ewwhite 7/10 would rage again
 
 
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8:45 AM
@ward you about ?
 
@Iain Yeah
what's up?
 
@Ward a late one eh - can you do me a quick favour and go to review|close votes and do 4 o5 and let me know what you did close/do not close and especially if you were the 5th vote
I want to see how it's counting the votes and reviews left
 
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Q: How to I retain text case while using %h in mt-daapd's config file?

IsiusIn my mt-daapd config file is the line name = %h which, if I understand correctly, when my hostname is aCoolHostname this will evaluate to name = acoolhostname in lowercase. How do I use the %h but keep the lovely case formatting?

voted to close NARQ (my vote was #4)
is that what you want?
 
I don't need to know how or on what really just yes/no and if yours was last
 
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Q: Why am I gettting errors about unpackaged files while trying to build an rpm?

user121282Trying to package up wget-1.13.tar.gz into a rpm (I am re-learning this process) and I'm running into these errors when I do a dry run. error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: /etc/wgetrc /usr/bin/wget /usr/share/info/dir /usr/share/info/wget.info.gz /usr/share/locale/be/LC_MESSAGES/w...

voted to close OT (migrate to Unix, my vote was #4)
 
Dan
8:56 AM
Can someone help with such a stupid issue
 
@Dan ...
 
another one I was the 5th vote to close
 
@Ward great - it looks like the total only goes down when a question gets closed
 
another vote to close, I was #4
another vote to close, I was #5
 
that explains why the total isn't going down very quicky
 
8:59 AM
another vote to close, I was #5
 
Dan
Basically, I wish to run this script:

http://blogs.citrix.com/2012/04/25/bash-ing-xenserver/

But I'm having major problems with encoding, I think do the use of funny quote marks
 
Do not close\
another vote to close, I was #4
 
Dan
I've chucked it into Notepad++ and tried to change them all it, but I still get syntax errors. I'm putting it onto the box using WinSCP
 
I assumed the total isn't going down because new questions are getting a vote or two and added to the /review list.
Also because I've been too busy the past week or so to do much more than read a bunch of SF questions and vote on Q&A, haven't been reviewing or reading the other SE sites I normally do.
 
@Ward it may be partly that but it definitely only goes down when a question gets closed
 
9:02 AM
A Do Not close vote...
One last one, I was the 5th vote to close
 
@Dan taking a peek
 
@Iain It's been hovering around 1200 for a while... Goes down a bit when I have time to /review and make a comment here that gets a few people interested.
 
@Dan where is the syntax error - I don't have xen
 
Dan
@Iain Sorry, the output I'm currently getting is
getmac.sh: line 24: ((: j<xe vif-list vm-name-label="$namelabel" | grep device | wc -l: syntax error in expression (error token is "vif-list vm-name-label="$namelabel" | grep device | wc -l")
 
@Dan with source colouring on it all seems to go wrong 2 lines up
writeline=.\.$namelabel\."
remove the " at the end and the colouring looks right
and if that doesn't seem right then put a \ in front of the "
I don't think it's the latter though as there is no closing " in the file
 
Dan
9:22 AM
Wait, you get dots?
Cos I shows as
writeline="\"$namelabel\""

For me
 
@Dan when I paste it into vi I get . when I paste it into notepad++ I get magic quotes
@Dan change that line to
writeline="\"$namelabel\""
and the next to
writeline+=","
then line 37 to
writeline+=","
and line 40 to
echo "$writeline" >> output.csv
and 42 to
echo "VMs and their respective MAC addresses have been written to output.csv in the current directory."
 
Dan
Yeah, I think that's the point I'm at
 
10:01 AM
try that magic quotes all aver
 
Dan
10:28 AM
@Iain You absolute star
 
it had magic single quotes too pita
 
Dan
Yeah, I couldn't make head nor tails of it. Don't know why people touch funny quotes in code
 
 
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12:07 PM
Good answer...
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A: How memory has been allocated for ESXi server?

M AfifiThere is a lot more than just ESXi in question here, Each VM will consume up to 4GBs + "overhead" which is documented here. This depends on the vCPUs, + memory allocated. At minimum each VM will use 4261.98 MBs (4096 + 165.98) ESXi's own memory overhead, this is hardware dependent. The easi...

 
12:29 PM
looking at a config file
has a remote address in the format of 0x7f000001
how do i convert that to a regular address? ip or dns
thats hex, right?
its 127.0.0.1
hmm
 
IP or DNS? tries to parse
 
i think a custom app we use is either calling home or calling another server
just trying to find out for sure before i pin someone to the wall today
 
1:00 PM
morning
 
morning all
 
well, here it's the beginning of the afternoon ;)
so morning sleepy head ^^
 
anyone know anything have experience with Akamai ?
 
1:16 PM
@lsiunsuex What kind of experience are you looking for?
 
would you use akamai for say, processing audio files?
 
Oh, I've no experience as a customer of theirs. I do have experience as a hoster, and one of my buddies is on their performance team.
I know some big streaming places use them. Netflix is always flopping back and forth between Akamai and Limelight, depending on who will give them the better price that month.
 
@chriss Incoming SPAM?
 
@ewwhite No problems of recent...
 
i think this piece of software is using their services for some sort of processing
 
1:21 PM
@ChrisS But what prompted the question?
 
someone called into IT yesterday saying feature x of this program threw an error - we had been tightening firewall rules. as soon as we turned a rule back on, it was fine
 
At least 1/4 of those could be closed as a dupe of my "question"
 
so i installed the software on my pc, have been watching their log file and watching incomming and outgoing connections from my pc and i think their using it
 
@ChrisS Jeez... The problem is that I think building proper, reliable mail servers is beyond the scope of beginners.
 
1:22 PM
@lsiunsuex That's....odd. What kind of processing?
 
@ewwhite Yes. I completely agree with that. But that isn't going to stop them from trying, and likely creating an open relay for a while...
 
think something like Siri - interpretting what someone says in a recorded file
 
The only reason I've good at it is that I've done it a lot... A LOT... Clients will put me on the phone with IT people from their business partners to help fix issues.
Funniest recent issue was with PigglyWiggly, the grocery chain....
 
@lsiunsuex Never heard of it. I just asked somebody, so whenever he gets around to checking irc I'll try to remember to let you know.
 
They had a recent update to their spam and Exchange server and were set to require SSL or TLS on all incoming mail...
 
1:25 PM
I wonder what percentage of e-mail servers have certificates properly configured so that SSL/TLS works.
 
@chriss but the question is broad, since it may not cover things like this, where someone is trying to send from an application.
 
@ScottPack thank you
 
I could go back and say "if in doubt, use a smarthost".
@ChrisS of mine, all of the Exchange systems. All of the Zimbra... only 10% of the Dovecot/Sendmail/Postfix
And the latter, only because they needed to smarthost through gmail
I think the mail game is changing... why not rely on cloud/hosted spam filtering and established smarthosts?
 
@ewwhite That question doesn't have anything to do with Spam??
 
@ChrisS It does... but that's a common case where someone is trying to send mail and is being deferred/blocked because they didn't configure their sending server properly.
 
1:37 PM
@ewwhite Perhaps as a component of a larger hosting package I could see that; but I don't think most businesses would be much interested.
@ewwhite How do you know?
 
and doing it from an application standpoint is a different than a multi-user sending/receiving setup.
@ChrisS It looks like someone is blocking mail from that host.
could be reverse PTR check, could be a bad name.. could be a reputation check on the sending IP block.
 
@ewwhite Yeah... Could be a lot of things though... I'm still not seeing any Spam, just a possible misconfigured server. And it's remotely possible the destination mail server is having "issues"; though I'm betting on the former as the OP wasn't experienced enough to even include the DSN code.
 
But how do people learn this stuff?
 
That's a good topic for a blog article actually.
 
I see this all the time.. Devs write a web application. They need to send mail from it. It's in the CLOUD or something...
And it gets to some people, blocked by others...
 
1:43 PM
This stuff really ain't that hard. It's mostly just knowing what you have to do.
 
well, I started with mail servers in 2002... so from 2002-2005, I didn't have to worry about this stuff at all. It just worked...
then spam increased, DNS entries made a bigger difference...
 
I got one of my servers blacklisted before you configured your first; young'n =]
 
I had my mail server blocked because I was stupid enough to install a new OS one evening and finish reconfiguring it in the morning. (I left it on during the night. Someone used it as an open relay in those hours).
 
Only the first server I ran has ever been blacklisted (knock on wood), happened twice for entirely different reasons. The first was open relay problems (I was a noob, who though he knew everything, opened up port 2525 as an open relay for staff to send e-mail on as they didn't have SSO). ORDB listed. =[
The second time was for something the staff was actually sending, nothing to do with me (until they called me to fix it). They had got some "mailing list" of thousands of e-mail addresses and started sending unsolicited mail to all of them. Got listed in half a dozen places that time.
 
Dan
I got us temporarily banned from our ISP for making an Open Relay when I was 14 :(
My dad still likes to remind me of that
 
1:54 PM
I was a newbie when it happened, but I knew of the danger of open relays. I just did not assume it would get abused within a few hours.
 
@Dan You've got me on age... I didn't start messing with e-mail and such until I was ~16.
 
Then again, installing windows at that place was also something which went wrong. You would get infected before you could download all windows updates.
 
i wrote my first VB program at 15
 
I never write VBA. Id di break VB script though by creating AD groups with a & in them.
 
VB 4.0, I'll never forget you. My first Windows programs... =]
 
Dan
1:56 PM
@ChrisS To be fair, I'm 4 years younger so it was fairly accessible. I can't even remember what I was trying to achieve, but it mainly consisted of downloading some open source small office mail app from Sourceforge
 
Apparently my boss ran a script exporting all groups and their users, extracted the person responslble for that group from the comment field and mail that information to them. (A monthly done thing)
 
@lsiunsuex I wrote a DOS mouse driver for a program when I was 13. Also wrote a TSR that would scroll the screen vertically by one row and wrap the display, every second. When you walk out of a computer lab with all the Netware logon screens doing that, they stop totally trusting you.
 
Dan
@lsiunsuex I can beat you on that - I was checking out VB books from the library in Primary School
Not that it did a great deal to launch me into a programming career - once I realised I couldn't knock up a 3D game in 2 weeks flat I kind of lost interest
 
primary school? how old are you right now @Dan
 
@MikeyB I thought it was more amusing the write a program that picked two letters at random and swapped their keyboard mapping.
 
Dan
1:58 PM
Did anyone do Delphi?
I actually downloaded a program the other day which proclaimed it was written in Delphi - I'd almost forgotten about it at that point
 
did visual fox pro - still have nightmares
 
Pop that sucker into autoexec.bat, named something reasonable like "mouse.exe"...
 
@ChrisS Nice! :)
 
No Delphi or FoxPro
@MikeyB Later a friend and I write a Windows program that detected "ceiver" and would disable the "s" key after that until the computer was rebooted. One of our most hated lab assistant's last name and username was "ceivers". That's still my favorite deviant program.
 
Dan
@lsiunsuex I'm 26 now
 
2:03 PM
@ChrisS That's pretty sweet. At first I was wondering "why would you want to stop people talking about receivers/transceivers/etc."
 
i'm 32 - so we're even :)
i hope to be a millionaire by 35
 
@MikeyB Collateral damage. We weren't smart enough to think of that really...
@lsiunsuex Best buy a lotto ticket. Or at least get out of system administration
 
@ChrisS Acceptable collateral damage.
@lsiunsuex Start up a cloud company.
 
working on 2 startups - one is live
 
Time for a new business model: selling the Devops-Crafted Artisan Compute Cloud. #fb
 
2:05 PM
I later caught that lab assistant typing "s" first, backing up the cursor and typing the rest. =]
 
i don't believe in gambeling with my future
 
@ChrisS That's like setting someone's password to "I am Scott's towelboy." and then removing execute rights to /usr/bin/passwd
 
@lsiunsuex How do you define millionaire?
 
in assets - not cash on hand (house, cars, jewelery, property, land)
cash on hand is a waste. put it into some kind of investment
1: the world only has so much land. land always has value. 2: theres only so much precious metals (gold, silver, platinum) 3: hire a landlord - property is always a good investment IMO - people will always rent. businesses, small families, students.
 
@lsiunsuex Wrong! You can always make more land. Just ask Luther.
 
2:14 PM
@lsiunsuex That's fair.
 
shit hits the fan, those are things that can be sold in a pinch
 
How long do these background check things take
 
Dan
@ChrisS That's pretty classy - not me, but someone I know wrote a program that was essentially an image of the normal log on screen. When someone typed in their username and password it would save the password, feign a blue screen and reboot
 
@JoelESalas Quickest I've had was 2 days. Worst I had was 15 days.
 
@ewwhite Ouch. I guess I'd better not resign yet.
 
Dan
2:16 PM
I wasn't so technical - I deleted all of someones work and left a note in their folder from the IT Management company explaining in polite English that they needed to free up some space, so tough. Even signed with a fake name - I'll NEVER forget walking into that classroom and hearing the IT Teacher screaming down the phone "I want to speak to Mr bloody Johnson and find out why the HELL he thinks deleting my pupils work is acceptable"
 
The 2 day one was conducted by an outside service... HireRight. The 15-day was a super-paranoid financial firm, and they dug deep...
DEEEEP
 
@Dan Humorous, but slightly more destructive than I would have done.
 
"And the name of your bong in college was 'Big Red'"....
 
Dan
@ChrisS He was a cock and fully deserved it, though admittedly I was very quiet at school. Now I'd just punch him
 
@ewwhite "Mr. White, we have reason to believe that in the third grade you held up a dog by its hind legs and pushed it around like a wheelbarrow"
 
2:19 PM
@JoelESalas Oh, I did that to my puppy a few minutes ago.
 
Dan
How did you guys find high school? My girlfriend really enjoyed it, but I would never go back even if you paid me. Hated every minute of every day - just didn't 'gel' with me
 
i hated all school. barely graduated highschool, didnt goto college. bought some books, learned on my own, worked my ass off.
 
@Dan Ah the simple pleasures of brawling. Even in our high-tech society it's still a useful way to resolve a disagreement.
 
@Dan Up and down. Some cool things, some crappy things. I was in between cool and geek...
 
School was fine. But all those bloody teenages should be kicked out of it. :)
 
2:23 PM
@lsiunsuex Same for me. I love to learn, not so big a fan of schooling. For the longest time I didn't have the discipline for it.
 
and the wife got a full ride for phycology - so we have no student loans to worry about like my friends do :)
 
@Dan I was incredibly socially awkward in high school... So would I like to repeat that in any way shape or form, no. If I could take my current social skills back with me in time... Yeah, there was a lot of opportunity for situations more commonly associated with college.
That the b---- of life... By the time you've got anything figured out, you're too old to make any use of it.
 
@ewwhite
 
@lsiunsuex I worked my arse off during college; so I have no student loans like my idiot friends.
@lsiunsuex Your purse?
 
Murse
 
2:32 PM
@lsiunsuex Eh... :)
 
i'm accepting of purse though i think - mens items are assembled in Spain and this was assembled in France (where most of the women stuff is made) so... fuck it. call it what it is
a murse that'll carry my laptop
 
I looks like your murse costs more than the laptop.
 
ebay! $450 USD - retails for $1610
base 15 macbookpro goes for 1800 and change here so... almost :)
 
I talked myself out of a BR bag the other week, retail is $150 and it was 50% off.
 
@lsiunsuex Best laptop murse I've seen so far is by timbuk2
 
2:38 PM
@lsiunsuex how does it close?
 
just folds over - button at the bottom to keep it closed but it doesn't look like that was ever used
id call it messanger bag style i think
 
Dan
Uncorrectable Machine Check Exception (Board 0, Processor 1, APIC ID 0x00000000, Bank 0x00000005, Status 0xBE000000'00800400, Address 0x00000000'C21C385F, Misc 0x00000000'00000000)
 
stuff like that is an asset to me - if it retails for 1610 and 5 years later (according to the serial #) its still worth 450 - its retained value
 
Dan
not great for a week old server, is it?
 
@Dan Nope, something's fried.
 
2:42 PM
@Dan Send 'er back
 
Dan
@ChrisS On call to HP as we type :D
 
@Dan System board issue. Reseat everything, but yeah...
 
Gestures are a form of nonverbal communication in which visible bodily actions are used to communicate important messages, either in place of speech or together and in parallel with spoken words. Gestures include movement of the hands, face, or other parts of the body. Physical non-verbal communication such as purely expressive displays, proxemics, or displays of joint attention differ from gestures, which communicate specific messages. Gesture is distinct from sign language. Although some gestures, such as the ubiquitous act of pointing, differ little from one place to another, most gest...
 
Dan
@ewwhite I'll blame the guys who prestaged the h/w for me I reckon.
 
@Dan ProLiant gear?
see if you can get the IML log output.
 
Dan
2:49 PM
@ewwhite That is the IML output
After an unexpected reboot :(
 
Murse made me laugh
Designer murses for designer computers... ugh
 
if it means anything, i will never buy a LV iPhone or iPad case?
 
@JoelESalas The "drinking sign" over here has your pinky stick out usually; similar to a "telephone sign" or Hawaiian Shaka sign. =]
 
Dan
Oh hey, Flash Player broke a computer. How novel
 
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Q: My head keeps falling off. What can I do?

Ben BlankI have an… unusual problem. What? How'd it happen? No, no, that isn't impor— Okay, fine. It might have something to do with the tim command, a bandit chieftan, and an accident with an ebony greatsword. But that's all you're getting out of me! Now where was I? Ah, yes. Wherever I go, my...

HAHAHA
 
3:14 PM
@JoelESalas i love it
 
3:31 PM
"VIM account password was changed on host 192.
1.1.11
info
8/21/2012 12:41:27 PM
"
ever seen that?
 
mornin' Gents.
 
Yesssss?
 
Always amazes me how many of our staff can so frequently fail at typing properly formatting email addresses into their mail client. Most likely from spending too much time looking for the next key on the keyboard instead of what's actually on the screen.
 
sigh Why do people insist on arguing with me? -- I've been doing the DNS thing since before RFC 2782 was published - I think I've got a pretty good handle on how this shit works...
 
@Adrian No address validation?
 
3:40 PM
SRV records are like IPv6. Nobody uses it anyway.
 
@ScottPack Tell that to the Microsofties
 
@ewwhite It's Tbird. So not really. Malformatted ones get sent to postmaster, meaning me.
 
@Adrian I think evolution checks them
 
IDK what this guy is doing wrong, but he's obviously doing something wrong if named-checkzone doesn't like his file. And I know for a fact that _tcp is perfectly legal according to the DNS RFCs (because I remember a time where I had to quote those RFCs to people who were all "you can't have an underscore in a domain name")
 
@voretaq7 Has he tried turning it off and walking away?
 
3:43 PM
@JoelESalas Have A Problem? Switch to Evolution and now you have an Evolved Problem.
 
@voretaq7 IIRC you can have it in domain name, just not a host name?
 
@ScottPack no, but I'm at that point with the answer. "This is how you do it. Fix the errors BIND is throwing and it works." - If he wants to continue shouting nonsense at the sea I'll buy him a bag of marbles and leave him to it
@MikeyB Correct - It's legal for every other DNS entity except a hostname
 
@JoelESalas Seriously though, we had nothing but problems with every single Evolution install we've ever tried here. Not sure why, but it's always been severely crash-happy. Perhaps it doesn't work well with the X/Windows forwarding juju going on with LTSP.
 
@Adrian Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, it'll crash on you.
 
@MikeyB (so basically SRV and TXT records)
 
3:47 PM
I'm just going to leave this right here
 
um
it gave me an IE commercial
so whatever you just linked to sucks :P
 
@JoelESalas Yeah, I think our best "uptime" for Evo was 90 minutes with the 32-bit 12.04LTS this past spring.
 
@JoelESalas Chopper posted it a month ago; Basil thought he found it two weeks ago...
We should just pin it to the star wall for a while.
 
@ChrisS Oh I've been aware of this for some time, I lay no claim to mastery
 
Fair enough.
 
3:50 PM
so hey... when did IE get commercials anyway?
 
@ScottPack @voretaq7 I've got more than a few SRV records configured, and there's a few programs that look for them.
 
@ScottPack Other than AD... Though I'm entirely depressed by the number of programs that don't use them.
 
@ChrisS I have . . . none. And . . . 0 programs that look for them
actually that's untrue: I have one (and an override for it) because I wanted to be sure that the dude in that question was in fact wrong and that you could still override them in the traditional way
 
I honestly don't really know what all SRV records that we have. I know they'll be the AD ones, one for the Microsoft kms, beyond that....
 
3:53 PM
and I guess if you count running dig -t SRV as "a program that looks for them" I have one of those too.
 
@ScottPack Lync/OCS too probably
 
@ScottPack Microsoft is the only company I know using them
 
@MDMarra Assuming we used lync, mebbe.
 
We just upgraded to OCS 2007
I was all like "Bros, why we so behind?"
 
@voretaq7 Most XMPP clients seem to use them correctly.
 
3:54 PM
They were all like "Didn't buy SA on it lol"
 
@ChrisS Oh, yeah, that's true. We did at one time test out an XMPP system that used them.
 
I can't believe most mail clients still don't use them.... Seems like that would be a super-no-brainer to configuring your e-mail client without asking G-Ma to type in `pop.example.com" and "smtp.example.com:587"
Especially since several mail clients try to guess at the hostnames! WTF? You'll put the effort into coding the guessing algorithms, but you wont code the RFC-blessed methods?
 

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