The Comms Room

Journeyman Geek

12:00 AM

@Adrian:actually, from my (admittedly unscientific) testing, they arn't much louder

at some point i need to do actual nearly scientific testing

Shane Madden

12:28 AM

I use the das keyboard with the quieter brown switches at work

Haven't gotten any complaints

ewwhite

12:49 AM

Did I hear "devops"?

I leave for a bit, and you all go crazy!

Chris S

1:25 AM

@Zoredache Especially the G01 - G18 Keys, some OLEDs would have been nice there too.

Journeyman Geek

1:37 AM

@ChrisS: will likely happen in a few years

Stack Exchange

2:00 AM

StoryInMemo: LinkedIn hash leak analysis

posted on June 07, 2012 by Jeff

Today it was announced that LinkedIn was compromised at some point and 6.5 million unsalted SHA1 hashes were posted. LinkedIn has since confirmed that the hashes relate to accounts from them. Before the official announcement, though, I was curious. Trying …Read more »

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek Sup man. How's college?

Mark Henderson

2:20 AM

Fuck You Java. What makes you think you have the right to install the Ask toolbar and change my default homepage

I wonder how many people get suckered into that because they don't change the default options

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Ha ha. =P

I practically expect that kind of sh*t these days. Flash comes with it, Chrome tries to invade your computer, seems much more common than not.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Makes me mad. And Microsoft, fuck you too. In IE when you click "Add more search providers", the page they take you to has Google nowhere on it. In fact it doesn't have a single other web search engine listed anywhere to be found.

Only when you click on "most popular" do you see about 5 different versions of Google and some Yahoo on there

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Google used to be on there as by default it bought you to the Most Popular page; they changed that as you can see... But even with the extra clicks Google is still the most popular add-on.

Mark Henderson

2:35 AM

@ChrisS Yep. Thats how badly people hate Bing :p

(or rather, people who are intelligent enough to want to change their default search)

WesleyDavid

I hate it when applications try to think for me. Stop thinking for me! You can't do it as good as I can!!!

Chris S

2:50 AM

improveverywhere.com/2012/06/04/car-alarm-symphony <-- Car Alarm Symphony!

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: still kicking me in the goolies

Chris S

We were doing DB design in class this past weekend. I can't tell you how frustrated I was with people who DO NOT UNDERSTAND: The computer does exactly what you tell it to.

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, but you like that, right?

Journeyman Geek

not really

I'd like to pass, and get this over with ;p

WesleyDavid

@ChrisS Slight alteration: The computer does exactly what somebody told it to. The question is: Was it my directives that it was following or some other set of instructions that are heretofore unseen? =)

ewwhite

2:53 AM

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Q: Should we use irqbalance in a VMware guest?

Should we use irqbalance in a VMware guest? I'm sure this benefits bare-metal installations. I'm unsure if this benefits VMware guests, and I'm interested in how it would benefit a VMware guest. This also applies to Xen, Amazon AWS, and other hypervisor guest platforms. Thanks!!

Good question.

I don't know the answer.

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Inconceivable!!!

ewwhite

@WesleyDavid Yeah yeah... I was just thinking about the same question this week.

VMWare should publish best practices on things like that.

Ward

Let's all say the magic word and make WesleyDavid run and hide in a closet...

ewwhite

devops?

Ward

Episiotomy

ewwhite

3:02 AM

Oh, i was going to say "smegma".

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Mark Henderson

@ewwhite My immediate thought is that running that on your guests and not your host would not do much, because both VCPU1 and VCPU2 can be executed on "real" CPU 1 if they're not both scheduled at the same time

But I obviously have no evidence whatsoever to back that up

I also question whether projects like irqbalance have any real use in the real world anyway

ewwhite

Balancing interrupts across CPUs... I disable it on realtime systems or restrict it to a certain group of CPUs in other systems.

But since VMs typically have lower CPU counts, I'm not sure what the right approach is.

Journeyman Geek

hm, i just realise how shockingly useful proxies are

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite - and what would happen if you ran it on the guest AND the host?

The world might explode

ewwhite

Assuming a KVM Linux host... Hmm, I'm not sure.

WesleyDavid

3:07 AM

@Ward GARGLINGSTERNUMHOBOPOTATOFLARGINGBARGLINGSNOWMANHOOKERS!!!! ::faints::

@JourneymanGeek Start a Singaporean Proxy/VPN service.

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: amusingly, i'm connecting to a Canadian VPS to get to pages that are inexplicably acting up on my ISP

but it would also let me do centralised adblock

Tacticus

@ewwhite we bind kvm hosts to certain cpus\cores on our horribly cpu intensive hosts

Journeyman Geek

i need to drop by the office to check if i secured it properly tho

Tacticus

and then copy the core\socket arrachment in the cpu exposed to the VM

ewwhite

@Tacticus So setting cgroups or shields for specific VMs?

Zypher

3:13 AM

@WesleyDavid common now ... there is no catnip here

Mark Henderson

Australian cats are immune to catnip :(

Zypher

ohhh baby

new hardware goodness

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson But they're not immune to the king brown snake.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid We had one of those living in our front garden. Eventually got a snake catcher to come and get it, and them another one moved in a few weeks later

Irony is that after we got rid of THAT one, the local mouse population exploded

So then we had a mouse problem because our neighbour is a horder

Tacticus

@ewwhite not that significant we just get libvirt to do its thing and handle it

@MarkHenderson Ack snakes

WesleyDavid

3:17 AM

@MarkHenderson How do you handle a snake like that living in your front yard?

Tacticus

king browns are horrible

@WesleyDavid get a cat

WesleyDavid

"Oh yeah, don't mind him. He's only the deadliest snake in the world."

Mark Henderson

@Zypher What is that? 380Gb RAM?

No wait

Not enough digits

Tacticus

<-- stepped on a kingbrown without shoes on when i was much younger

Mark Henderson

Im having such a brain fart day

Tacticus

3:18 AM

winter ftw

Zypher

@MarkHenderson yes

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Nothing. You call the snake catcher when you see it out in the open and keep an eye on it so they know where it is

They're not usually fatal to adults, but they can kill a child

Zypher

it's also got an R10 of 12 200GB Intel 710 SSDs that i'm running a sqlio test against right now

Mark Henderson

Not if you call an ambulance and tell them what bit you at least

@Zypher Niiiiiiice. So bummed you're not hiring :p

Tacticus

@MarkHenderson or they work it out through scraping your skin

WesleyDavid

3:19 AM

@Zypher Wow, what part of the SE network will be running on it?

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson So what happened with the job situation?

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Probably Zypher's desktop

Zypher

It's one of 3 new SQL servers for 2012

all spec'd the same

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Their snr sysadmin left to go to Twitter, so they decided I was too high risk to pursue

WesleyDavid

@Tacticus "Or they work it it through sucking venom out of your corpse with a hose." < FTFY

Tacticus

3:20 AM

@WesleyDavid that doesn't work with australian snakes

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Huh, I think I saw that Twitter job open too. I considered the Tumblr job that opened up in midtown NYC earlier in the year.

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson So they were burned and concerned that you'd be a flight risk?

Zypher

@WesleyDavid I know a couple of guys at tumblr they are good people

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Pretty much. From what I understand most US employment is At Will, and I think they were going to put me on a proper contract. But then they were one man down and yeah, if I decided to break my contract and go home they'd be very down on manpower

ewwhite

So now they need TWO people?

Tacticus

3:22 AM

also the king brown is only amongst the most dangerous you need to look at stuff like the inland\coastal taipan or central ranges taipan

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite I'm not sure. I think my position was peripheral, a "nice to have", and then all of a sudden they had far more critical role open up

So they might still be after one, or it might be two. I don't know.

I'm sure @Zypher can ask them during tomorrows lunch time ;)

ewwhite

So are you disappointed that they took so long?

It sounded like a long process.

Tacticus

"There were no known survivors of a taipan bite before an antivenom (antivenene) was developed and, even then, victims often require extended periods of intensive care."

Zypher

@MarkHenderson if i see them, the sysadmins tend to eat later

C:\Program Files (x86)\SQLIO>sqlio -kW -t4 -s120 -dE -o32 -frandom -b64 -BH -LS Testfile.dat
sqlio v1.5.SG
using system counter for latency timings, 2636738 counts per second
4 threads writing for 120 secs to file E:Testfile.dat
	using 64KB random IOs
	enabling multiple I/Os per thread with 32 outstanding
	buffering set to use hardware disk cache (but not file cache)
using current size: 24576 MB for file: E:Testfile.dat
initialization done
CUMULATIVE DATA:
throughput metrics:
IOs/sec: 15581.45
MBs/sec:   973.84

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Yeah, it took almost 3 months and I actually put some very big plans on hold to see how it panned out. But it was worth it

good news is that I can now proceed with myu other plans (which involves moving out of Sydney anyway)

ewwhite

3:25 AM

@MarkHenderson Well, sorry to hear that it didn't pan out. Any interest in Remember the Milk?

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Oh cool, they're hiring? Wait... they're still around?

ewwhite

rememberthemilk.com/about/jobs/sysadmin.rtm

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Never heard of them?

ewwhite

even though they're in Sydney.. :-x

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Not a good fit unfortunately. I'm a Windows guy, with enough Linux to survive but not an expert and no postgre

@ewwhite I'll still be working in Sydney. I'm not leaving my current job. I will be commuting 1-2 days a week and working from home the rest of the time

It's about a 90-minute drive if you leave at about 5.30-6am to get to work from where I want to move to

And it's almost all freeway, so not un-doable

ewwhite

3:29 AM

Wow.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite In Sydney if you have a 60 minute commute, you're considered average

I currently do 20 minutes and that's almost unheard of

And I leave home at 7am every day anyway and start work at 7.30 so early mornings are nothing new

ewwhite

People have long commutes even with public transportation?

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite because of public transport

Our train system sucks

Our busses suck

And our roads are clogged because our busses and trains suck

And all the government can do is bicker and fight amongst themselves instead of getting shit fixed

For example, where I work there is NO train service, there's only busses and they only run to here from major interchanges

If you wanted to catch a train to where I work you would need to catch it to a major station and then drive for 20 minutes, or take about a 40 minute bus trip

If you work in the city it's not so bad, but the trains are consistantly late, over-crowded and expensive

From about 7.30 - 10am if you catch a city-bound train and you're not molested, it's a good day

IF you manage to find a spot where you're not touching someone, that's about the best thing that will happen to you all week

And if you get a seat, fuck you may as well buy a lotto ticket

However, to find a seat, not be touching anyone AND not get molested, well then you must be a unicorn

(but your train will still be late)

ewwhite

Oh, well, here in the US, we destroyed most of our transportation infrastructure... and cities are just now building things again.

WesleyDavid

@MarkHenderson Point on the dolly where the bad passenger touched you.

ewwhite

3:37 AM

but it sounds like you guys are way over-capacity

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Yeah, and the worst part is that people are trying to do the right thing. Our trains are massive double-deckers. If they run a full-length train I reckon you'd get close to 1,000 people on a single train

But it's just not enough

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: Its suprising how little time it takes to totally **** up public transport

ours went from one of the best in the world, to something that broke down a dozen times in 3 months

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Haha yeah, ours shuts down when it rains, or when its too hot, or when it's windy

Journeyman Geek

same hardware, new managment had emperor's new clothes syndrome, and dumped a lot of engineers

then tried to blame the hardware for failure

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Well a bad workman blames his tools

Journeyman Geek

3:41 AM

yup

(and corporate singapore heavily suffers from that)

jscott

@MarkHenderson How far from Bondi are you? My "ex", an expatriate, swears AU is pretty good with the public transit.

Tacticus

@MarkHenderson just over 1500 on the sydney double deck 8 car sets iirc

but the problem with sydney double deckers is that the average station stop time is somewhere north of 2 minutes which causes issues with running very frequent services

Chris S

@ewwhite In college I drew up a proposal for developing a subway/monorail system for the city I live in. They currently operate a bus line that f---ing sucks, nobody rides and they keep pissing more money into expanded it despite the fact that it's slow, inefficient, and underutilized.

Cities that do currently have some form of subway, rail, or light rail system are lucky...

Tacticus

melbourne trams ftw

ewwhite

@ChrisS Oh, Michigan, I see...

Chris S

3:46 AM

@ewwhite Yeah, not a single subway/rail system in Michigan that I know of.

Taking Amtrak from where I live to Chicago takes 6 to 8 hours and costs as much as gas to drive a car there and back.

ewwhite

@ChrisS The Detroit People Mover.

I have clients in Grand Rapids. I can fly with effort... or just drive the 3 hours.

Chris S

@ewwhite 2.9 miles of circular track does not count.

That's like strapping a 4-stroke to a tricycle and calling it a car. =[

Tacticus

@ewwhite "In 2008, the system moved about 7,500 people per day, "

that's less than a small tram line in melbourne

actually i think that's less than offpeak service on a small tram line

Chris S

@ewwhite That's what I mean... There's no effective public transit at all.

Mark Henderson

@jscott Bondi - a fair way. To be honest, Bondi sucks pretty hard unless you're a tourist

ewwhite

3:52 AM

@ChrisS In the past week, I've been in Chicago, San Francisco, Sacramento, Washington DC and Baltimore. It's been interesting to see how each of those areas handle transit.

Mark Henderson

@jscott And when did she leave Sydney? Cos its been rubbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbish since I moved here, about 10 years ago

ewwhite

Oh, and Palo Alto...

Chris S

@ewwhite The L gets 700,000 people a day around Chi-town... The Detroit People Mover is a showy joke.

@Tacticus In 2011 it was down to almost 7000/day.

Tacticus

@ChrisS that's really quite horrible

Chris S

Unsurprising as Detroit has lost thousands of people, moving away to find jobs or whatever.

ewwhite

3:54 AM

Chicago is struggling... When I work, I'm usually 14 miles away, but the L takes an hour or more to travel that distance. San Fran has Muni, good buses, trolleys and cable cars... Sacramento's light rail is very nice. Washington DC's Metro is decent.

WesleyDavid

Do we have any Vancouver BC peeps up in this hizouse to represent mass transit?

Adrian

Seattle's is decent. Under-engineered though and expensive to build with all the tunnels.

ewwhite

Been there recently. I'm jealous of any city that has surface light rail.

Seattle has the crowding issue, though.

jscott

@MarkHenderson Honestly, last I knew she lived in/around Bondi beach, not sure if she was in Sydney proper. She mentioned Google recruiters, and I still don't even know what she's getting at

ewwhite

When i'm there, I see nothing but FULL buses to the suburbs.

Chris S

3:56 AM

Public transit is most effective in planned urban areas, where commercial, residential, and industrial areas are planned like Sim City. My sister did stint in urban design when she was in college, did a bunch of planning for/with Detroit as a matter of fact. They took those designed and filed them away with all the other good ideas they'll never follow up on.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Sydney is selling its monorail, if you want it? :P

Adrian

Id rather have above grade

Tacticus

@MarkHenderson bought time

@Adrian makes it annoying for passengers though

Mark Henderson

@jscott Bondi is inside Sydney. It's not far from the CBD actually. But as a beach it's kinda average, and as somewhere to go its not great, because of all the damn people. But it is an experience

Ward

@Adrian Ours is ok, but it costs too much and like all big mega-project it was chock full of stupid boondoggles and insider deals and kickbacks.

Mark Henderson

3:58 AM

@ChrisS My Sim City cities are always a mess with massive commute times. Makes sense I guess...

Ward

Oh, and it's not at grade.

Adrian

Its already halfway above or below due to elevation issues. Where it's at grade is a total cluster of auto-train accidents.

Mark Henderson

@Ward Isn't every government contract like that?

Tacticus

@Adrian it's not that bad if the drivers are used to it

they treat them like a large bus

jscott

@MarkHenderson Ah! Thanks for that, on Google maps, it looks outside the city, but what the heck do I know. :)

Ward

3:59 AM

@MarkHenderson Yeah, but it pissed me off even more when they made a big deal of fact-finding trips and then totally waste a shitload of money.

Adrian

Seattle isn't like that, but we take 20 years to make the wrong decision usually.

Tacticus

plus it's at the same level and low floor trams are awesome

Mark Henderson

@jscott The way we name things here seems to be different to the US. I say that I live in "Sydney", but "Sydney" is really just a tiny suburb in the middle of the CBD.

Adrian

@tacticus Seattle drivers can't judge closure speed. It's a mess with weekly hours long outage and buses taking people around the closed sections.

Chris S

@MarkHenderson I preferred to turn off disasters and level the landscape; build miniature monuments to efficiency and artificial engineering and design.

Tacticus

4:00 AM

@Adrianoh that just sucks :|

Ward

There's an old, unused rail line that goes exactly where the subway they put in for the olympics goes, just a few blocks offset to the west. But that rail line goes past one of the fanciest neighborhoods in town, so they didn't use it because all the rich people said - verbatim - we're the creme de la creme, we shouldn't have a subway line that close to us.

Tacticus

We had some suburbs do similar things in melb they wanted train lines but didn't want any diesel services on it so demanded it was single tracked

Adrian

Took me 90 minutes to get to work once. Bomb threat at a bank 2 blocks from the rail line. Closed the light rail for 3 hours one morning.

Ward

Anyway, skytrain works, but it's expensive to ride, and instead of following the HK model, they let private developers rake in the dough from condos and mixed-use developments adjacent to the stations.

Tacticus

now they whine about the interval between the train

jscott

4:01 AM

@MarkHenderson Interesting, good to know.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS I just cheat by using a hex editor to give me a few trillion dollars and then run a tax free haven for business ;)

Chris S

@Ward That's why I picked monorail for my college project. Cement rails are cheap, rubber guide wheels and electric motors mean the whole thing is quieter than a car or bus.

Tacticus

Your rolling resistance is much higher thoug

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Businesses shouldn't be taxed anyway, they don't actually do anything.

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Except nobody in Sydney uses our monorail :p

Tacticus

4:03 AM

and i'd say wear and tear will cause high maintenance reqs

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Why? Location?

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS Haha yeah. Its a joke, its about a 20 minutes to go from the beginning back to the beginning again

I think its more of a tourist attraction than anything else

Ward

The city of Vancouver (and some of the surrounding 'burbs) have been doing an excellent job of making things bike-friendly, though.

Tacticus

@ChrisS max speed of 0.5 walking, horrible loop and expensive single trip tickets

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Ah, just like the Detroit People Mover then.

Mark Henderson

4:04 AM

@ChrisS Yeah I just read that wiki article before

Sounds similar

Ward

The Hong Kong escalators are the coolest public transit I've been on:

Central–Mid-levels escalators

The Central–Mid-levels escalators in Hong Kong is the longest outdoor covered escalator system in the world. The entire system covers over 800 metres in distance and elevates over 135 metres from bottom to top. It was constructed in 1993 to provide a better commute by linking areas within the Central and Western District on Hong Kong Island. Description Hong Kong Island is dominated by steep, hilly terrain, which makes it the home of some rather unusual methods of transport up and down the slopes. Since it was officially opened to the public on 15 October 1993, the elevator system h...

WesleyDavid

Am I being harsh for V'ing TC and downvoting this? serverfault.com/questions/396263/…

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Ugh. MacOS is not a server OS

WesleyDavid

4:20 AM

Just looking at a recruiter's email to me. Everyone tell me what you think about this:
If a position mentions a drug test, I immediately ignore it. I don't do drugs, but the notion that I'll have to pee in a cup to "prove my trustworthiness" pretty much gets things off on a very bad foot.

Drug tests for a systems engineer position? Please.

A'ight. Nighty night.

Mark Henderson

@WesleyDavid Its probably company policy so that they don't single out a single group of people (i.e. the receptionists)

If I had to do drug testing, I would probably opt for everyone rather than discriminate against specific roles

Mark Henderson

5:09 AM

Holy Shit!

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It's an ASCII version of @WesleyDavid

Iain

6:28 AM

G'day

Ward

7:15 AM

@Iain was there a comment on your answer deleted? I can't quite figure out what Brent Pabst's first comment means: meta.serverfault.com/a/3341/6177

Bart De Vos

Morning all

Iain

@Ward it relates to meta.serverfault.com/questions/3345/… and the related question

Kenny Rasschaert

7:37 AM

Chopper3

10:02 AM

what a douche; serverfault.com/questions/395309/amperage-of-hp-dl140-g1

ITHedgeHog

Douche canoe

Chopper3

:)

ITHedgeHog

10:24 AM

I'm pissed off, someone started a smear campaign against me whilst I was on paternity leave - because his project failed.

Dan

I'd love to know what he's doing

@ITHedgeHog Sleep with his wife then kneecap him

ITHedgeHog

Ah if only, but then my wife would kill me

Instead I'm pulling TFS reports out to use at our project review.

60% of the work to launch was added a week before I left for paternity leave, with another 20% added whilst I was away - and some how he has translated that to my failing not a project management guffaw

Dan

10:41 AM

@ITHedgeHog Sounds like a classic grade a tosser

Chopper3

@ITHedgeHog really? what a cunt, let us all know their contact details and we'll fuck them up using our godlike IT skills :)

ITHedgeHog

lol

Journeyman Geek

@ITHedgeHog: kneecap his wife and blame him?

Chopper3

Slowly bleed-out his wife and kids in front of him

ITHedgeHog

You evil meanies, I suspect however that he CEO already has his fate in mind

Journeyman Geek

11:02 AM

The archival department ?

ewwhite

11:56 AM

Work politics.

@chopper3 - I need help finding a bad DIMM on one of my servers.

It's a follow up to this question...

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Q: VMWare - persistent "Host memory status" alarm in vSphere

I have a particular VMWare ESX 4.1 host that has a very persistent "Host memory status" alarm. This is running on an HP ProLiant DL360 G7 server. The HP ILO and System Management agents don't know any errors. If I clear the alarm in the vSphere client, it returns within a day. I've tried reseat...

vmware-esx hp ram proliant

I just upgraded RAM in the server, but the "Host memory status" alarm still comes on periodically. Is there a nice way to see which DIMM is causing the issue?

ITHedgeHog

12:12 PM

@JourneymanGeek The no longer in employment dept looks on the cards.

Journeyman Geek

ahh, d00m

@ewwhite: silly question but can't you just test the ram with memtest or similar? There's also ram testing devices (which are faster) but super costy...

ank

HP servers do come with a host of diagnostics built into them (last timε I checked)

ewwhite

I've run 3 hour loops from the HP diagnostic CDs with no issues.

No errors on the server or IML log.

@JourneymanGeek How long would I need to run memtest?

Brent Pabst

Yep, I know on my giant ass Dell Precision I have a special key combo to boot into a diagnostics rom on the mobo, maybe there is an offline, hardware level test that can be run as well?

How much ram is on the box?

Journeyman Geek

@ewwhite: couple of hours...

ewwhite

12:22 PM

@BrentPabst 56GB

Brent Pabst

damn, I have 16GB in my precision, memtest took about 20 minutes to run the basic/standard test against all of the dimms

Journeyman Geek

If time is at a premium, and not money... superuser.com/questions/432876/… this might be worth a look

(I didn't know such things existed)

Brent Pabst

that's cool, damn pricey, but cool

Journeyman Geek

I totally want one ;p (not that i will)

ank

If a 3-hour loop did not reveal anything why do you still think its the ram? Having gone this route a few times I would say even a basic test will immediately find a faulty DIMM. Of course there are those rare failures too....

ewwhite

12:29 PM

I'm getting VMs that crash or stall... then the "Host memory status" indicator on ESX gets triggered.

Iain

@ewwhite still? You marked the question as solved

ewwhite

It came back!

Iain

:(

ewwhite

But I also added RAM and swapped a couple of 4GB modules under warranty

I have enough capacity on other hosts to take the problem server offline for tests.

Brent Pabst

Probably wouldn't hurt to live migrate and take it down for offline memory testing if its still showing up

ewwhite

12:37 PM

I just did for a few hours using HP's tools... but maybe I'll try memtest

ITHedgeHog

12:56 PM

Y ME NO KEEP MOUTH SHUT? ME NOW WRITING REQUIREMENTS DOCUMENTS

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Brent Pabst

1:07 PM

@ewwhite When I had a memory problem with my Dell a little while back the tools that ran within the OS didn't point to any errors, once I ran memtest followed by the diagnostics partition they instantly lit up with DIMM errors

Chris S

1:24 PM

I've got an older server that like to throw a multi-bit ECC error about once a quarter.. Just for sh*ts and giggles apparently.

Journeyman Geek

@ChrisS: obviously cosmic rays

Chris S

I'd accept that except it's in a rack with half a dozen other servers that have never shown any errors.

Peter Grace

@ewwhite are you in Philadelphia this week?

@ewwhite saw MDMarra's rape comment on the starboard.

Kyle Brandt

Anyone have a reference document on how Windows 2008 R2 failover clustering works that is a technical explanation of how it works, and not mostly marketing about how much better it is than previous versions?

Dan

@KyleBrandt I have a really nice diagram, hang on

Brent Pabst

1:38 PM

@KyleBrandt Are you looking for failover clustering of a specific service, or just in general?

Dan

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Kyle Brandt

It is a particular Windows feature "Failover Clustering"

Peter Grace

hahahaha

truth Dan, truth.

@KyleBrandt just a word of warning -- don't expect it to work as well as you hope it will.

Brent Pabst

@KyleBrandt No I get that, are you looking for specifics such as Hyper-V Failover Clustering or a generic doc on failover clustering?

Dan

I'm a bad man

Kyle Brandt

1:41 PM

Going to use it with SQL Server AlwaysOn

Peter Grace

Let me just say, I'm happy that I'm working on the backup project and not the SQL project.

Brent Pabst

Ah gotcha

Kyle Brandt

Sorry, I don't know exactly how to ask the question at this point

tombull89

@Dan and there I was thinking I was going to get some useful bit of info to add to my personal resource library :P

Kyle Brandt

For instaince, with keepalived, lots of Docs about what happens in what situation, what packets are sent as a heart beat etc

Peter Grace

1:42 PM

I doubt that level of documentation exists outside of Microsoft.

Brent Pabst

Oh there are a shit-ton of packets sent, I can assure you of that

Dan

@tombull89 ;)

Brent Pabst

I wish companies would call "Data sheets" what they are: "worthless, non-informative sheets"

Kyle Brandt

Alright, is this an okay question for SF?

I mean, it is pretty open ended, but having trouble finding an answer

Brent Pabst

I think its specific and complex enough to warrant a question, its not like you are looking for technical docs on installing Windows

plus, I'd like to have more info on AlwaysOn and the reqts. anyway

Dan

1:49 PM

Had our stray cat spayed yesterday - she's not loving it

Mario

i'd like to rip the claws out of ours with plyers but the wife wont let me :(

Journeyman Geek

poor dear

ewwhite

@PeterGrace Not in Phila. Was thinking about going to get steak.

Kyle Brandt

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Q: How Does Failover Clustering Work in Windows 2008 R2?

I am trying to learn how the failover clustering features works with Windows 2008 R2 as I am going to be using as part of SQL Server 2012 always on. I have been able to find information on how to set it up, and what it does. However, I am having trouble finding a nice technical document on how i...

windows windows-server-2008-r2 failovercluster

Dan

@Mario That seems somewhat mean!

Mario

1:55 PM

@Dan i've gone through great pains to remodel my house and the bastards think they own the place. i mean, i won't do it, even to have a doctor do it means to remove the first knuckle which apparently causes them great pain. we use these instead

softpaws.com

Peter Grace

@KyleBrandt whatcha think of those softpaws things?

(Kyle and I are both cat people, just by differing orders of magnitude)

Dan

@Mario Aww, hehe. This one doesn't scratch to be fair

Kyle Brandt

Those just seem wrong :-P

Mario

their like little silicon condoms. their great. pink for her, blue for him - for haloween we do black and orange

Kyle Brandt

I just trim my cats claws, and let them destroy my couch when I am too lazy for that

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Mario

1:59 PM

they last about 3 weeks if they dont bite them off

Chris S

@MarkHenderson Agreed, at $job[-1] I had to pee every year. Our insurance mandated it for the line workers and to keep everything fair everyone had to do it. Where I work now we don't have any sort of testing program, it's never been a problem here.

Peter Grace

Vixen, my cat, actually got a really bad infected foot from an ingrown claw a couple years ago

the scratching serves a purpose, it just sucks that cats prefer to scratch on couches instead of the numerous cardboard and carpet contraptions around the house for her to use instead

Kyle Brandt

I just accept it from the start :-P

ewwhite

@ChrisS Open to doing work in your area? I have a client there who needs HALP!

Chris S

@ewwhite I'm under non-compete, so unless it's non-System Administrator I can't.

ewwhite

2:02 PM

Tsk... (I hate the drive from Chicago)

Jeff Ferland

@Chopper3 Were some comments deleted from that?

I also like the, "no way I'm spending 20 quid on a meter" bit that's still there.

Scott Pack

Fun Fact: The way one starts a getty on serial port changed from el5 to el6. Useful to know before you start trying to get your uc323 adapter running on OSX.

Chris S

@ewwhite Nice lung-full of Gary on your way though, and the boring, featureless South-West Michigan the rest of the way... Who wouldn't love that trip?

ewwhite

@ChrisS My client has a bad local IT support group.

THey mislead

Chris S

I don't have too many positive experiences with local IT groups... Especially the jack-of-all trades companies.

ewwhite

2:19 PM

@ChrisS I ranted about it at some point this year... something like the local IT people put an SBS server in and a terminal server... on VMWare. I built the VMware server...

the customer had RDS problems for two years... and the local IT people did EVERYTHING except actually reboot the ESX host.

So the host had been up for 700 days or so...

voretaq7

@ewwhite to be fair I'm resistant to rebooting my ESXi box. Up until performance in my VMs gets so terrible I'm forced to...

Chris S

@ewwhite Ah yes, I remember that one. Somewhere around me? Interesting.

Brent Pabst

Hmm, apparently I'm headed to the company's data center for a tour... seen one seen 'em all?

Mario

wtf. exchange still wont block outgoing smtp traffic.

3 different documents all said to set it up the same way; wont block me emailing my gmail acct.

Iain

@PeterGrace we found that the small thin posts didn't work so we tried one that is 100cm tall & has a diameter of 30cm - cats love it

voretaq7

2:33 PM

@BrentPabst companies don't like taking me on datacenter tours...

HEY IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SENDING AN EMAIL!
Some Mean Old Mr. Sysadmin said I shouldn't let you, but you look like a good, honest sort of fellow -- Promise not to tell? OK! I SEND NOW!

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Q: Connecting two linux machines straight through their ethernet cables for TCP/IP

My goal is to test ack times between two machines without taking into account the network/router overhead. So I guess the best way to do that is to connect both client and server straight from network card to network card. However I need both of them to have an IP address so I can use TCP/IP (UDP...

linux networking tcpip nic udp

Mario

omg. nevermind. we have a tls connector in there - exchange in its infinite wisdom saw that gmail uses tls (and gmail is in that tls connector) and sent it out that connector before it sent it out the new one i created.

voretaq7

...someone else please yell at them? If I do it now before I've had any coffee I'm just going to tear their heart out and eat it...

ewwhite

@ChrisS Yep, in the valley.

Dan

@voretaq7 How can someone be talking about Ack and the difference between TCP and UDP without actually knowing how to configure the simplest network in the world

jscott

@Dan Sounds like a student question.

Iain

2:41 PM

@voretaq7 @ChrisS got to it before me

Mario

maybe there should be a student "stack"

jscott

@Mario Not that all student questions are that poor quality, but it has that "copy/pasted" or regurgitated read to it.

Mario

atleast they didnt ask how to make a crossover cable i guess

or is that next week's assignment