Arqade 2016 Election Discussion

badp

19:00

@Dragonrage "WELL NOW IM NOT ASKING FOR GAMES ANYMORE"

Dragonrage

interstingly enough i am using @badp's own words to respond to @badp

@badp Questions that ask for recommendations of games, servers, software, or hardware are off topic. For more information on why these sorts of questions don't work here, see "So, what actually is a Game-Rec?" and "Q&A Is Hard. Let's Go Shopping!"

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

@John I guess it's an important consideration. On another note, do you think it's important to clamp down hard on problem individuals, from a community perspective?

same question to any other candidate who feels like answering it :)

badp

@Dragonrage "WELL THIS ISNT A GAME, OR A SERVER, OR A SOFTWARE, OR A HARDWARE, ITS A WEBSITE"

Unionhawk

The more important bit to consider here I think is the "5 users reopened this" bit

Like, I'm still working through how that happens

But I know it does so

badp

@Unionhawk "WELL I DUNNO I GUESS I SMELL GOOD AND AM VERY CONVINCE. UN_LINK_ YOU"

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

19:02

@Unionhawk what did 5 users reopen? :???

John

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen @badp's hypothetical terrible question.

Dragonrage

@badp im sorry you feel that way, but a website still is a piece of software, and your question is not allowed here.

@Unionhawk yea, my first thing to do was to figure out who reopened it and then go figure out why

John

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen I think it depends on the severity. We were talking about something similar earlier: death threats warrant action (or punting it to CMs) less severe, point them at the "be nice" part of the help center, maybe a small suspension to cool off

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

@John Females, Demons AND multiplayer? Does such a Holy Land even exist?

Dragonrage

because, like reopening a question that is that obviously off topic is kind of weird.

John

19:05

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen @badp says it's portal 2

badp

@Dragonrage "A WEBSITE IS SOFTWARE? UR GRASPIN FOR STRAWS. THIS GUY THUGHT SO AND NO ONE AGREED"

Dragonrage

also if @badp continues to respond to me, I would go ping @AshleyNunn because apparently she has magical word vomit or something and people listen to her.

John

@Dragonrage That's what I was thinking. If the community has changed so much that people actually reopen that, we should hash things out on meta again.

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

The first time I played Portal 2 multi-play I was wearing the pink companion cube hat by default (didn't notice) and it took me the best part of an hour to realise the dude was flirting with me

GodEmperorDune

@badp yeah we should implement that, good idea @murgatroid99

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

19:06

felt kinda rude for not flirting back, all in all, and a little naive

badp

@Dragonrage "SO WHAT ABOUT THIS OTHER POST THAT SAYS THAT THYEY ARE ACTUALLY ONTOPIC"

"I KNEW IT YU GUYS WERE ALLWAYS TRYING TO GO AFTER ME U HATERS"

GodEmperorDune

@badp that's a 5 year old post and it is no longer valid

badp

@GodEmperorDune "BULLSHIT, OS IS THE OTHER POST THAT SAYS THAT GAMERECS ARE NOT OKAY."

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune I'm sure we'll get plenty of those if elected too, so it's good practice ;)

badp

also @GodEmperorDune I missed the part where you nominated yourself for modrater

Dragonrage

19:08

I'm really impressed at @badp's ability to pull these meta posts out of his hat. he mustve been preparing this for a bit

Unionhawk

@badp He's been rating mods the entire process

Or at least, mod candidates

He's a mod candidate rater, not a mod rater candidate

badp

I think it's a bad idea to make up your mind based on what goes on in this couple of weeks

but anyway

@Dragonrage not really, I've just been through this a few times

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

do they have professional mod raters at Stack Exchange?

GodEmperorDune

@badp practice for next cycle ;)

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen @AshleyNunn 5/7 perfect mod

badp

@GodEmperorDune "WELL U STILL CLOSE MY QUESTION U R SUK"

GodEmperorDune

19:10

@badp 2/10 would not mod again

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

@GodEmperorDune that's some high praise; do you have a formal rating system, with charts and coloured lines?

GodEmperorDune

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen no, only freehand circles. @badp has all the outstanding ART

badp

anyway I am going to award top scores in this exercise to @GraceNote because the avatar is pretty much perfect for the situation

Grace Note

♪

badp

DRESS FOR SUCCESS OR SO THEY SAY

Unionhawk

19:13

Who say?

badp

those who the refrance

user15026

@GodEmperorDune Heck yes

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

I have voted for someone, on a provisional basis

user4704

You know you have three votes right?

user4704

(I don't know if it counts if you only pick one?)

John

19:26

@JoshPetrie It does

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

it's based on single transferable vote, to my knowledge, so it should

user4704

Ah, interesting.

John

The difference is if you only pick one, once that candidate is eliminated the vote is discarded instead of moving to your second choice

user4704

yeah

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

there's a video with cats that explains it...

let me find it...

user4704

19:27

It's okay, I don't need to watch it. :D

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

Is your Cat confused about the alternative vote?

►

you really, really do

it's a thing of wonder

ok, it's for an old election in England, but it still has cats and some useful info if you watch through it

badp

naturally that video has only 1 winner, so things are a little easier

Unionhawk

dear the united states: adopt STV. love, @Uni

badp

@Unionhawk I don't think there's a difference between STV and FPTP for you guys. Unless you expect more than 1 winner and 2 parties

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

@badp cats

the last elections weren't even right

Unionhawk

19:35

@badp We primary it to 2 technically 3 now

GodEmperorDune

@badp it would help multiple parties, yes

Unionhawk

I say technically 3 in the sense that the libertarian party exists

badp

@Unionhawk well yes for primaries, but not the actual elections. Though I guess there technically are more than 2 parties. Very technically.

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

we don't really have a democracy in this country; the currently government just keep changing all the boundaries and 'accidentally' unregistering people and thus kicking them out of the voting system

Unionhawk

But only in the sense that it exists and has a candidate

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

19:36

it's just the way things are here at the moment

badp

You're just too busy choosing between Very Right and Maximum Overright

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

who's choosing?

badp

well you're choosing those who choose the choice

indirectly

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

I'm certainly not

badp

probably

I'm not talking about primaries

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

19:37

last time I turned up to vote the center had closed two hours early

nothing in the media about it

badp

it's okay your county was probably gerrymandered to hell anyway

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

my country is a total mess

badp

it was just a formality, everyone knew who was going to win

Unionhawk

I'm talking about maybe allow people voting libertarian also choose someone else instead of just allowing their vote to go into a useless pool of 10% of the vote or whatever

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

@badp Unionhawk, right?

badp

19:38

@Unionhawk does it actually get to 10%?

I thought it was 10 votes, total

Unionhawk

I dunno, I think Johnson is polling pretty high but not quite high enough to get to a national debate yet

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

do we have a libertarian candidate for Arqade?

badp

pls

Unionhawk

Modraters are expected to rule with an iron fist

obviously

A diamond-encrusted iron fist

John

@badp Sure it might not have a tremendous affect right now, but it's a step in the right direction I think

GodEmperorDune

19:41

i don't think we have anyone running for mod that wants to dismantle the SE system

John

@Unionhawk Where do porkchops come in?

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

@GodEmperorDune would they be allowed to run?

Unionhawk

@John I still need to download Forge SDK and whatnot to get a diamond/gold pork chop mod

badp

honestly I think that if anything you guys need to fix the part where lawmakers raise funds and juries of 6 aboslute random nobodies make law

that sounds like more of a priority

GodEmperorDune

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen of course

John

19:43

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen I can think of one guy who ran in tons of SE elections on that platform on every SE site he could find and scrounge up enough rep on. Surprisingly, he never did very well.

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

@GodEmperorDune by a direct or indirect system of 'allowing' or some complex combination of the both?

Unionhawk

I mean, the current priority is to get the ultimate fallback for those nobodies making a bad decision back online

Since right now that is offline

GodEmperorDune

whether they get elected or can actually do anything if they do is a different thing

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

@GodEmperorDune of course, that's where systems of counter-influence come into play

GodEmperorDune

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen more like mods don't have the ability to make those changes. they're not SE devs, they don't have code access

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

19:46

what's the system that tallies the vote?

John

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen Last I checked, they used OpenSTV

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

is it open to inspection?

John

which was (is?) freely downloadable along with election data so you can run the results yourself

and someone usually does

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

can the data be seen as it flows?

GodEmperorDune

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen its linked on the election page. you can download the raw vote and rerun the results yourself

John

19:48

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen unless it has changed since last time, yes

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

download the raw vote?

GodEmperorDune

check it out on the old elections

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

are voter identities protected?

John

after last election someone posted a long post of each stage of the tallying

it was quite interesting

GodEmperorDune

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@John it's automatic actually

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

19:50

so how do you check the vote reflects real voting if the identities of voters are not open for inspection?

John

@GodEmperorDune I mean someone else ran it and posted it in chat too

GodEmperorDune

@John ah

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen i'm not sure, tbh

every election i vote in, i check the results for my vote and i find it

John

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen I mean, does it matter? It's StackExchange's site, their system, they'll count votes how they want and have what mods they want. Though we haven't had a questionable mod election yet, so it seems they match

murgatroid99

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen Everyone has the opportunity to at least verify that their specific vote appears in the data

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

how many voting members do we expect?

badp

19:51

@GodEmperorDune no

John

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen last election had 619

badp

I mean

The results are generated by a piece of software

John

actually that might've been 2 elections ago

badp

the posting on meta isn't automatic

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

619 sounds plausibly right...

GodEmperorDune

19:52

@badp the long post here are automatic, but someone has to upload it and post the link to meta

badp

oh okay

GodEmperorDune

@badp yes we are in agreement

badp

yeah this time I just won't have the time to load up the thing in Excel and make things out of it

sorry

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

Excel forgives you

badp

hardly

anyway yes the main difference between STV and AV is that since there is more than one winner

GodEmperorDune

19:55

@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen excel remembers

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

Excel is like unto the Elephant

badp

each winner candidate holds to strictly as much of everyone's vote as they need to meet the victory threshold

and only the remainder gets transferred to each voter's 2nd and 3rd choice

it's a single voting system because your vote gets split between candidates, but the total amount of your vote is still 1

even if all of it ends up in the exhausted pile

as the process goes some vote fractions go back to the winners to be re-redistributed and more votes get exhausted and things happen in general, so the threshold also goes down, and those are more vote fractions that get redistributed between candidates.

it's all kind of complicated.

Unionhawk

It eventually works out that it picks n mods giving everyone 3 ordered votes

sort of

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

20:33

we get three votes but two eventual candidates

Unionhawk

Yes

This means that at least one of your votes will not become a mod.

Yes.

Peter David Carter-Poulsen

I still don't really understand how to choose between candidates

too many variables

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