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12:35 AM
@Ryan blame Mathieu, I had to look it up after he used "epurated" in the question :P
I wasn't entirely sure that "epuration" was a real word but I just went with it
@MathieuGuindon I had no idea VB still existed at all, I thought it was a dead language! Is it still semi-supported or something?
 
it's fully supported...
just not on Office online
 
Oh, I misread the "2013" part of the Stable Release on Wiki
I don't use Office at all except when someone at work needs help with PowerPoint or something
 
Office extensibility team has quite a lot of work to do before Excel MVP's can do in TypeScript everything they do everyday in VBA
the VBE hasn't been updated since 1998, and likely won't see another update ever again
yet, billions of lines of VBA code execute every day in business-critical code worldwide
the VBA folks have basically no tooling
nothing free anyway. until Rubberduck came along. slowly, we're eating every other add-in's lunch. (except vbWatchdog, that one's impossible... but its author is a Rubberduck contributor now, so..)
 
awesome project!
 
thanks!
this part baffles me:
> Over the past twelve months, 32 developers contributed new code to Rubberduck VBA. This is one of the largest open-source teams in the world, and is in the top 2% of all project teams on Open Hub.
like, ...dayum.
 
12:54 AM
that's impressive
 
makes me wonder... you have a meta right? do WPF/XAML designers hang around here? we could use some UX enhancements...
 
@MathieuGuindon @JohnB Made a nice new splash for you guys!
 
I think one of the former mods worked with WPF/XAML but other than that I've not seen it talked about :)
 
so all the kids to these days is JS and PHP?
 
1:00 AM
Don't ask me, I'm a designer :D
 
@Mathieu anyone ever tell you that you look a lot like Penn Jillette (from Penn & Teller)?
 
I've got a degree in computer science but I found a career in design :P
 
@WELZ that's a new one :)
 
The hair, the beard, the glasses. (sorry for being stalkerish)
 
googles the name - damn, that might be me in 20 years!
 
 
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Q: Tags vs Tagging on Meta

rchard2scoutHere on Meta GD, there are both tags and tagging. On both MSE and MSO (and probably others as well, but I didn't check), tagging is a synonym of tags, so that should probably be applied here as well, right?

 
11:30 AM
oh wow, it went HNQ!
 
 
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1:35 PM
...getting NAA answers now... just flagged the latest as such (makes a good comment on the OP though)
 
 
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3:04 PM
@MathieuGuindon Your name sounds like you're from my part of the globe!
Hey Vincent!
 
hi Emilie!
comment ça va? :)
 
@Emilie Montreal FTW!
 
Huzzah!
 
I like answering critique questions, where is it?
Sort of trying to catch up to chat here
 
3:06 PM
@Emilie here :)
 
Si cette invasion de Québeciens se prolonguera, on parlera Français ici déjà! :P
 
mwahaha
 
eng?
 
@WELZ 'if this invasion of Quebecians continues, we will speak French here soon!'
 
Québecois, nice try!
 
3:08 PM
> If this Quebecer invasion keeps going, this chat will end up ... yeah that ^
 
@Emilie darn
my French is a bit rusty
 
Vincent, is answering a question with an accepted answer in chat poor etiquette?
 
@Emilie I do all my stuff in Paint.NET ... hides
 
then again I understand you handed in your diamond so I'm burdening you with my question haha
 
@Emilie uh? I'm sorry, I don't follow
that's okay. I still have all the tools muhahahaha
 
3:09 PM
Mathieu posted a critique question, I was going to add my two cents in chat
 
of course you can!
 
Post it as an answer!
 
^ also
 
oh that is more than okay. But do consider adding it as an answer
 
oh yes the diamond is still here. They want to keep you in haha
 
3:09 PM
the community team is a bit swamped I believe
 
@Vincent cheers mate, I'm also losing my diamong today :)
 
@Mathieu oh, on what site?
 
Code Review
 
and: hi, nice to meet you offers hand
 
elections close in ...8 hours
:)
 
3:10 PM
drats, I'll be looking for people with diamonds soon for research
 
what kind of research?
 
my thesis, it has to get done
 
woot! Adding MA to your name?
 
I have up until 2020 but another kiddo on the way if all goes well so I'm a bit screwed haha
 
ooh, congrats!
 
3:11 PM
oh nice, congrats!
 
too much going on :-S
 
how far along are you?
(with the kid, I mean, not the thesis :P)
 
not far at all, which gives me a good chance to get this thing done before haha
like barely showing far
 
so, 2-3 months then?
 
Mathieu I'll bookmark your question and answer it more properly later when I take a break from my grading
yup
my first thought though is there is a bit of a lack in terms of tying visually with the coding aspects
 
3:13 PM
what was your PhD subject again, @Emilie?
 
ah it's not PhD, MA :-)
self-governance in StackExchange
 
yeah. I'm considering reinstating the "swirling code" as a light shade of gray... and then swapping the shadow ducky for the actual yellow SVG, for color
 
most other research has been quantitative, trying to depart from that
 
@Emilie eh, ex-mods can help you with that too :)
 
^^
 
3:15 PM
oh I would be happy to interview ex-mods alike, kind of hoping to get a variety of people, mostly to double check my analysis
and also to get more nuanced info
 
I've been mod for almost 3 years so I should know something :P
 
I mean, I think we see it clearly in this community that there is so much more going on than just the rules, it's a constant evolution
 
nods fervently
 
@MathieuGuindon I think the shadow of the duck is a bit weird too symbolically. It offers good contrast with the type so that works but it sort of suggests an absence of a duck
 
e.g. how posts are received :)
 
3:17 PM
like Rubberduck is coming to get you!
or who stole my rubberduck
 
@Emilie hmm I was thinking it could hopefully suggest some kind of omnipotence, like, it's there, watching, ready when you need it
#fail
 
and I have to admit I had to laugh out loud at ""RUBBERDUCK" lettering in a signature Showcard Gothic font... I'm not mentally prepared to let go of." I've found that endearing lol
 
ah I see, the all-seeing duck!
 
I've probably been over-thinking this
 
3:23 PM
I was thinking Rubberduck is a community but I see it's a room in code review
 
yeah it started with two nutbags in a CR chatroom whipping up a unit testing framework for VBA... things snowballed from there
 
I think if you had a branding you wouldn't have to fiddle around to design a splash screen so much
it's an open source thing?
 
I would also vouch for hiring someone to design it, if the splash screen holds any importance in your mind
if you don't want to go all out, you can hire a junior from a local college
 
I.. yeah.. I don't want to spend too much $$.. nobody gets paid to work on this, and some contributors have spent hundreds of hours already - wouldn't be fair IMO. OTOH, "Crafted the complete branding of the 'Rubberduck' OSS project" can't look bad in a portfolio, no?
 
3:30 PM
I think for a student the experience is worth more than whatever ends up going on their resume but so many people use that argument to try an leverage some free time out of juniors that it's a running gag at this point :-)
then again I know many of my students do it regardless and I've done it in the past if a project was dear to me
 
well, I supervised one of the core contributors' actual internship with this project, and it got 2 devs to learn C# and actually land a real-world programming job already
I've no idea how graphic design gigs work though
 
but I totally get how people don't count their hours working on that open source stuff, my own bf is in open source so I've been getting a taste of how it works for years lol
 
hmm, would he happen to do any web dev? ;-)
 
yea the thing is it's relevant for them to work with you if you teach them coding but for a graphic designer they would be on their own, it could hardly be qualified as an internship
they do search engines, just hired a few folks but oh boy it's tough to find people in this field
Web devs if you're looking for them, you can find a bunch in Les Mordus du Web on Facebook
we were just looking for a web design teacher and that was one of the places I've looked. I also needed a designer though and found mainly developers so that didn't work for us
 
@Emilie oooh I definitely need to crawl FB more... only using it to play Scrabble via Messenger atm
(my website sucks and I hate web and web hates me)
 
3:42 PM
I used to do a lot of front-end but then I had my first kid and realized how difficult it is to debug anything when you can get interrupted at any moment!
then I just started outsourcing and now barely consulting anymore, teaching is taking up all my time
 
how old is the kid now?
 
my first is turning 2 in few days
 
I got twins almost 6 years ago, we're considering a 3rd child, but a bit scared to get twins again..
 
lol! I can imagine
I think I'd be happy to have twins because we sort of wanted three. I figure get it out of the way and just be in damage control mode for a few years lol
I think parenting is a great fix to perfectionnism :-P
 
3:47 PM
oh I have an idea for you maybe, I just remembered
for your rubberduck thing
 
hehe.. this kinda side-tracked didn't it
 
since you're local, we give a branding class in the fall and our students need to find their own client
they work with the client and develop the branding, multiple proposals with some applications but we ask that the student have good leverage to create what they think works best
that could be an option for you
 
as long as there's a ducky somewhere :) ...an awesome design might even let go of Showcard Gothic!
 
yea Showcard Gothic would probably have to go... :-)
 
I think the only people on the project that are really attached to Showcard Gothic are ... well ... the mug
 
3:51 PM
lol
^ Vogel is a long-time contributor, did most of the German translations and introduced some rather nice tools/features
 
gettting flak for the not UI on CodeMetrics ;)
 
I said nice, not nice-looking ;)
 
I had to work on a flyer in German last week, thankfully we have a nice mod here who speaks German... Hyphenation was a headache!
 
what monstrosity of text were you typesetting? Hyphens are basically only for weird composite loanwords and linebreaks
 
one of my clients deals with water quality
it's very specific and there were some pretty long compound words in there lol
 
3:55 PM
something something Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskaptänsmützenaufnäher
 
lol yep
 
FWIW "the mug" is me - my avatar was a SO mug since 2014 I think, and I was "Mat's Mug" until I announced my stepping-down as a moderator on CR
@Vogel612 not going to ask if that's a real word, scared of the answer
 
it's not...
well... it could be
 
ah so you are the only one who is attached to showcard gothic :-) stay here for a while, we'll fix that for you! lol
 
phew
Is there an unwritten rule against it, like Comic Sans?
 
4:01 PM
Not nearly as much as Comic Sans but I guess it would fall into a similar category :-)
 
the only other I know of is the fugly Papyrus font
 
I find it's sort of reminiscent of old theater posters, I would see a Houdini show typeset with that
 
I suppose "choosing the right font" is a whole semester training huh
 
oh trust me it's more like 3 years training lol
 
4:05 PM
you have to hammer on the topic repeatedly for it to sink in :-)
and I don't think it works for all of them
Behold Comic Papyrus: laughingsquid.com/comic-papyrus
 
oh no
I like to think I'm not too bad at UI design. But yeah picking fonts is hard, esp. for something like a on SE
(or a stupid splash form that's shown for 3 seconds at startup)
 
I think especially for UI, you need to get a lot of testing done to be sure
it's not always easy to predict who's going to click on what and how they understand something
 
just yesterday I had a regular user/issue-contributor realize that there's an awesome "indent" linkbutton on the code explorer toolwindow... IIRC the feature shipped well over a year ago
UX is hard too
 
4:20 PM
oh wow.. that's award-worthy!
 
 
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5:56 PM
@Emilie I like how the paper is slightly crumpled – eliminating all doubts that it is what it is.
 
 
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7:01 PM
greetings! anyone here work with scripting in InDesign? I'm stuck on a PNG export script: AppleScript and InDesign export page as PNG
 
 
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10:08 PM
Why have I favored monosyllables for game terms, skills, attributes, etc over the years? They’re friendlier for layout. A monosyllable is typically short, meaning it’s less likely to deform justified text or become decoupled from dice or modifier indicators due to wrapping.
A thread on the creative and beautiful ways that the artists of the past repaired the flaws in torn and damaged manuscripts.
 

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