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00:21
w00t, my swag arrived today :D
 
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08:39
:-O
oh man, that means I'm getting two flying T-shirts this week
 
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11:49
@Shalvenay are you in the US?
my swag arrived today as well (in the UK)
I was surprised that none of it has the URL of the site
still nothing here, but it could be related to the fact that it has to go through the internal delivery system (I gave my office address)
12:12
@DanHulme Same here.
with certified mail no less
13:03
@DanHulme I got mine yesterday.
@falstro Are you still in Australia?
@Farhan nope
@falstro Germany? Sweden? Canada?
LOL
Back in Germany for the time being. Was literally weeks away from ending up moving to Australia on a more permanent basis, then **** hit the fan right around May.
I hope it gets better.
Did you fly in Australia?
whatever you do, don't fly Tiger Moths there
they were built there under licence and the quality control was not quite there, so pieces of airframe occasionally just fall off them
13:17
@Farhan yeah, did a couple of hours in the SR20. That was cool
The Luqa plane crash looks a little like a VMC accident
13:43
Preliminary Luqa info on the Aviation Safety page: aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20161024-0
14:01
@JonathanWalters Could be anything really. Sure, Vmc is one candidate (though that leaves the cause for the Vmc, which can be pretty much anything). Gust locks is another potential candidate.
14:57
Along w/the entire aviation community, we're sad to hear Bob Hoover has flown west. We reflect on his achievements… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/790927958043164672
 
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16:15
2016 still sucks: Bob Hoover died
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@falstro I would have pinned yours if the star wall didn't turn oneboxing into meaningless links. STUPID STAR WALL!
@voretaq7 oooh, that's what those hollow stars mean
yeah no worries
16:48
@falstro yeah the hollow stars are pinned for (I think) 30 days?
there's a manual for this whole chat moderator thing, I should really read it.
I should also do this…
since you spend enough time in here you should be able to do stuff like pin posts and edit topics/tags
17:42
@voretaq7 heh. Cool, thanks, didn't know that was even a thing
18:14
@JonathanWalters You threw me a bit with VMC. Then I noticed falstro wrote Vmc. Too stinkin' many abbreviations in this business
@TomMcW Yeah, Vmc might be a better way to write it.
Definitely lot of jargon and acronyms in aviation.
I've noticed some flight schools are advertising 2-week crash courses for a sport license. Do you guys think it's a good or bad idea to earn a license in an intensive course like that?
I work with a lot of medical personnel, and I think they are just as bad. Military pilots seem to be the worst.
I like intensive courses; they work well with my learning style. Generally with flying, you are better off condensing the time spent, rather than stringing it out and only flying once a week.
@TomMcW Did they actually call it "crash course"???
@JonathanWalters To be fair, I had to Google Vmc to see what it was
18:19
I did my multi training in 5 days, appreciated that course.
@falstro Lol. I think that was my wording.
Don't know what would be required for a sport license.
Im guessing they probably require you to already have ground school and written completed?
@JonathanWalters It's basically half of everything for a ppl.
Ok. Yeah, I suppose that could be a good option.
@TomMcW I hear American Aviation at Meadowlake Airport in Colorado Springs offer crash courses...
18:22
@JonathanWalters The ones I've seen it's the whole shebang. You go like 6 hours a day for two weeks and most will hand a license. Some might need extra follow-up
I had a friend do a one-month (or something like that) course in Florida. He did well, though busted his checkride and had to go back a while later to finish. Doing a course like that where the weather is predictably good is a must.
@JonathanWalters This place is in Florida. They're offering full course including housing for under $5000
@TomMcW I think the schools prefer to call it "intensive training" :O
@voretaq7 Much better name.
but there's definitely something to intensive training: If you can take the time off, go to a place with good stable weather, and bang it all out flying every day you will pick up the required knowledge and motor skills much faster than flying say 2 days a week.
They may only get you to minimum standards (you might have to fly with a CFI when you get home to get the controlled airspace endorsements, cross-country endorsements, etc., and you may want to polish some of your skills further as well) but you come out of it with a valid & usable certificate.
18:29
I decided I'm going to cash in some stock to pay for lessons. Planning on taking a two week vacation next summer for it. I've heard the quicker you learn the cheaper it ends up being. Just wanted to make sure you'd actually learn it going through it that quickly
(there are also 2-week private courses, those have been around a long time)
@voretaq7 I've got an old high school friend who's a cfi and has his own plane. Haven't approached him about what he'd charge me, but that's an option too.
@TomMcW You can definitely do it in 2 weeks - it's a LOT of flying though (like 4+ hours a day for private, a little more relaxed pacing for sport I would assume)
and if you hit any learning plateaus you might need an extra few days, so it's good to look into what extra time would wind up costing you in case you need it.
@voretaq7 I'm stuck with sport (stupid FAA!) so I'm sure one could get in the hours in two weeks depending on weather
Most of the quick-turn schools are in Florida or such where the weather is generally flyable
18:36
@voretaq7 Being in my late 40's I sort of expect it might take a bit extra. I have always learned stuff quickly. But some of the stuff I read on av.se I unferstand fine, but I also find it goes away fairly quickly
Stuff like VFR minima. I have to go look every time it comes up because it just won't stick in my head. Maybe it would if I had more context for it, as in actually flying
@voretaq7 How long have you had your plane? Did you used to have to rent?
@TomMcW Coming up on year 5 (!!)
I rented through almost all of my training (bought the plane, took another 2 months to bomb the landings on my first checkride, rented the school's plane for a couple of weeks, Winter Came, the school sold the plane I did like 90% of my training in, got solo-endorsed in mine, and did my second checkride in it like a week later)
@TomMcW VFR minima like weather? I'll be honest, I don't remember any of the numbers anymore
Cloud Clearance Requirements: "Stay the hell away from the clouds: Sometimes they spit out airplanes at high speed!"
18:54
@voretaq7 I'd need to know them for the test and I'm assuming they ask that kind of stuff on your check ride
VFR weather minima: "I am nowhere near as brave as whatever scud-running lunatic wrote the regs. If I can't see at least 5 miles and put at least 1500 feet between me and the ground without busting cloud clearances I don't want to fly."
^^ Those were essentially the answers I gave on my checkride oral :)
(I did glance at the tables in the AIM to make sure I had all of it in my head for both the written and the checkride oral so I could give the actual numeric answers, but as a practical matter you don't want to fly that close to the line - at least I don't)
@voretaq7 For some reason it seems rental prices are high around here. The 162 at the FBO where I did my discovery flight is $140/hour block
@TomMcW That's pretty high for a 162
@voretaq7 Nobody seems to want to publish rental prices online. I don't get it. That FBO had them posted on the wall, but nothing on their web site
the 162 out in Brookhaven rents out for $70/hr dry so if I'm batshit-crazy about fuel burn that would still be like $110ish/hr wet
That's an aviation thing apparently - lots of places don't publish their rates online anymore. I don't know if they're worried about scaring people off with the numbers or what
19:08
@voretaq7 I could see if it was for sale or something that you need to negotiate. But rental prices?
@TomMcW $130/hr sounds scary
@voretaq7 What do rental places usually do if you want to keep it overnight?
@TomMcW Most have a daily minimum if you rent it for more than X hours (X=4 at most places around here).
so if the daily minimum is 2 hours and you take it for 2 days on a trip that's 1.3 hours each way you would pay for 4 hours even though you only flew 2.6.
Sucks for the renter (paying for 1.4 hours you didn't fly), but otherwise it really sucks for the FBO (extend that to be a 3-day weekend vacation somewhere and now they're out whatever they could have rented that plane for while everyone is on holiday and has free time to fly).
19:35
@voretaq7 One thing that stinks is by the time my wife and I get in a 162 there's no weight left to take anything. I'd have to empty the change out of my pockets
19:47
@TomMcW Yeah, LSA weight restrictions are painful :/
20:00
@voretaq7 This might be a dumb question, but do most planes have air conditioning?
20:32
@TomMcW most dont
The sr20 does and it's awesome ;)
Or rather, most light aircraft don't
Anything pressurized have it otherwise the people inside would be cooked
20:55
@TomMcW Yes: Climb higher.
@falstro Not True: The piston-powered pressurized aircraft don't have bleed air
so you get a compressor that squeezes in more cold air from outside :)
(Of course I don't know anyone using Constellations in the real world, and when you get into fancy pressurized piston singles AC is a luxury you can afford :P)
Can you open windows during flight?
@TomMcW In my plane you can, but "window" is a generous term for it.
"Little Piper Yelling-Door"
Cessna 152/172 windows the whole panel can be opened. IIRC you can also remove them.
21:24
@voretaq7 @TomMcW Not completely related, but on the Aerotrek I keep going on about, you can take the doors off and fly it that way.
@voretaq7 Reminds me of the window on my Lamborghini.
21:55
@JayCarr Yeah you can do that on some Cessnas too
but if I want a plane with no door I could just buy a cub :P
22:10
@Federico yes, btw
hey there @voretaq7
@Shalvenay ohai!
how're things going?
22:39
bleh, finally about to leave my office
22:54
@voretaq7 ah. been OK here.

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