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SentryRaven

09:13

Morning!

Federico

09:40

'morning

kevin

10:31

morning

SentryRaven

10:53

Can you embed YT videos in answers?

Is there any markdown for that?

Federico

11:21

oh f***, I hope it's just a false alarm

We get reports about an Germanwings A320 crash. Flight 4U9525 was lost from Flightradar24 at 6800 feet near Digne in southern France.

Tweeted by flightradar24 on March 24, 2015 at 10:46 AM

A: Provide a way to embed videos in answers

YouTube embeds (just paste the URL in a post) are now enabled on a per-site basis, right now that list is http://gaming.stackexchange.com http://music.stackexchange.com http://scifi.stackexchange.com http://movies.stackexchange.com ... with possibly more to come in the future.

SentryRaven

Doesnt seem to be enabled for Aviation.SE

But thanks @Federico

DeltaLima

@Federico no false alarm unfortunately

SentryRaven

Yup. Crashed in the Alps, they found the first wreckage...

Federico

I can't find official news of the find

SentryRaven

Avherald:

French Police reported two helicopter spotted the remains of the aircraft on the ground between Prads-Haute-Bleone and Barcelonnette (France), about half way between the two cities there is a mountain ridge rising up to 8600 feet.

France's DGAC reported the crew transmitted an emergency call just prior to the aircraft disappearing from radar near Bassinet.

Federico

11:33

thanks, can't access the website :/

DeltaLima

From FR24 it appears that it descended into the mountains without altering course.

From FL380 to ~6000 ft

SentryRaven

With an average descent rate of 3370 ft/min... sounds like an emergency descent.

Federico

@DeltaLima but that's controlled descent

DeltaLima

Yes, it seems like it. So that's why I find it awkward that it did fly straight into the alps. In a controlled descent you would expect that the heading is also controlled.

But since it seems that there is no control of the heading it make you wonder whether it was a controlled descent or perhaps an all engine out / all crew incapacitated descent.

SentryRaven

I am curious about the emergency call. That will probably provide the most valuable information. If this was an emergency descent due to depressurization, it's a bit odd the didn't level off at FL100. Possible loss of consciousness?

Federico

11:53

FR24 has published all recorded data in csv form: flightradar24.com/GWI18G_20150324.csv

ratchet freak

Now for the big consequence:

what type of questions will we see here regarding that crash?

SentryRaven

Most likely asking for reasons or speculative questions...

Same with all other major crashes

Federico

nice, I get error 502 on fr24 :/

@ratchetfreak I was preparing a question

Federico

12:15

posted

DeltaLima

answered

Federico

commented :P :D

ratchet freak

voted

SentryRaven

countercommented

Federico

(I will not accept the answer for the first 24h, just to encourage additional answers)

DeltaLima

12:25

@Federico good practice, I concur :-)

SentryRaven

I'll try to create a route through that airspace and get it validated...

SentryRaven

12:40

Nope. Even with the most simple routing, I get at least 6 different routing violations for incorrect flight level, incorrect direction of flight or a route segment being forbidden for flights between these two destinations.... :/

Federico

French :Tsoukalos meme image:

falstro

13:13

@Federico avherald.com?

Federico

@falstro now yes, wasn't updated when I checked

@DeltaLima that pdf is crashing my pc O_o

DeltaLima

The dreaded 'Too many routes' error?

I'll try and post a screenshot for you

ratchet freak

it's a big pdf

Federico

@DeltaLima would be nice in general, link may go dead

@ratchetfreak it's quite memory intensive, as it is not a simple image, but several layers that are drawn when you open the file

ratchet freak

multilayered PDFs are the worst

especially when there is significant overdraw

it's 8MB big on a single page

Federico

13:21

back to correcting exams. till later

falstro

13:32

@Federico ah ok

DeltaLima

14:08

@Federico pixel art included in the answer.

SentryRaven

@DeltaLima +1 for that. Awesome map!

falstro

14:40

@SentryRaven heh. I was sorta expecting you to cry "foul! copyright infringement!"

SentryRaven

I have no idea about French copyright laws :P

ratchet freak

> All images, visuals and texts contained on the EUROCONTROL website and in our photo gallery may only be used in unaltered form for personal, non-commercial purposes and with proper acknowledgements (© EUROCONTROL).

eurocontrol.int/faq/corporate

the pdf is from that site

Federico

@Farhan thanks for the edit. I was wondering though, should we link to wikipedia or to avherald?

SentryRaven

14:57

avherald

ratchet freak

wikipedia will end up having more structured info

SentryRaven

Why not use both?

falstro

@ratchetfreak nice, so that applies to PAMS as well then?

SentryRaven

@falstro No, PAMS has an own copyright on their page.

Federico

I guess I will ask on meta :D

FreeMan

15:02

AVHerald v Wiki: My gut tells me that the Herald gets more technical details correct but is more difficult for the non-trained while Wiki seems to have info laid out more logically and more easily digestible for the layman.

though I've seen some pretty ugly shouting matches on Herald

Federico

@FreeMan I tend to avoid comment sections

Stack Exchange

Q: Which website should we prefer to reference to aviation accident/incidents summaries?

Should we prefer a website over another when referencing external sources for providing a quick overview of an accident/incident? If yes, which one should we prefer? Avherald? Wikipedia? Aviation-safety?

discussion

Farhan

@Federico No problem

rbp

16:06

@DanHulme are you going to this? vimeo.com/93587997

2 hours later…

Farhan

17:42

Fox News is constantly reporting that Germanwings airplane took off at 10:01 am European Time.

Please don't judge me as I'm watching FNC. It's the boss's order.

fooot

@Farhan I can't use metric, please translate to American Time.

Dan Hulme

18:21

@rbp last year?

amusingly one of my instructors is in the video

falstro

19:15

so the initial reports of a mayday call was incorrect, eh?

flying in straight line into a mountain sounds like decompression/hypoxia to me :(

Farhan

@falstro I heard that on Fox too, but Fox is ~~a big fat liar~~ not always accurate.

falstro

@Farhan yeah, my fox news exposure is limited to whatever Jon Stewart shows :)

Farhan

@falstro Then you are getting a very accurate picture.

falstro

;)

Farhan

So where are you getting the updated news about this accident?

Dan Hulme

19:31

@Farhan AvHerald has the update about the mayday call

falstro

@Farhan avherald, always

Farhan

AvHerald is under a lot of traffic

falstro

yeah, every time :P

Farhan

@falstro I guess it gets a 1000 hits each day from a single IP in Worms. :P

falstro

@Farhan Could be. That wouldn't be me though, I don't live there, I only go there to fly ;)

Farhan

19:46

@falstro Damn it. How close was I?

falstro

like 7 or 8 miles :)

DeltaLima

@Federico I've update the title of your question so that it is more likely to be found by people googling for this information.

Federico

20:15

I have seen it. @CGCampbell already tried, but for a miscommunication he reverted the edit (I am fine with the edit if justified, but he provided a justification that to me was wrong).
I have to take a break from the internet.

rbp

21:00

another high rate of descent crash

falstro

@rbp define high?

rbp

@falstro i'm not after a debate

Stack Exchange

Q: Should questions asking "does TV/Hollywood" get things right be on topic?

I see no value in questions like this and this. To me, they appear to have nothing to do with aviation, other than in the plot lines.

discussion

falstro

@rbp sure, just asking what you consider a high rate of descent

rbp

above a normal rate of descent

falstro

21:05

ah, ok

Dan Hulme

21:32

we should offer to update the site so it ajaxes and automatically refreshes the page when there is an update

Federico

21:50

based on most german airport timetables and Germanwings itself (germanwings.com/en/information/current-information.html) some crews refused to fly today. Has anyone ever heard such a reaction before?

Dan Hulme

@Federico that does seem odd

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