14.5 hours??

Probably had extra fuel tanks for ferrying... and must have had some sort of bio-relief mechanism. Luckily they have good autopilots.

@falstro Unfortunately the video looks like the airplane is going much faster after the chute deploys; presumably because the aircraft taking the video was keeping pace with it.

@DanHulme Hmm?

how do you mean?

If you're going to put a tamper-proofing seal on a first aid kit, use one that easily breaks. Seriously, this idiot decided to use a really strong adhesive sticker. Last time I needed a first aid kit I was busy stopping the bleeding with one hand, while opening the kit with the other. Had I encountered this one I'd be ready to punch someone in the face for their incompetence :P

@Federico I don't know about legally, but it's a common way of saying "don't care about the plane, all that's important is that you walk away"

In that particular case though, pulling the chute was absolutely the right thing to do.

Ditching is a very perilous endeavor as it is, and the fixed gear going in at speed will cause the plane to flip over, severely limiting your chances of survival.

first and foremost priority is the safety of your passengers and yourself

actually, it's the people on the ground, but it doesn't apply in this case :)

@falstro ah, ok

@falstro no doubt about that

i'm taking a poll: how many of you have experienced, either accidentally or on purpose, and accelerated stall? ie pulling enough back elevator in a dive or in a 30+ degree turn to generate a stall?

this is in regards to the impossible turn question

@rbp you want 'no' answers to your poll as well? :)

sure

then no. I'm pretty sure the stall horn would trigger though (depending on type of mechanism of course)

but I would assume it would happen so quickly you'd already be in the spin before you realize as much

@rbp Yes. It was in the private PTS until two years ago and it's still in the commercial one, so I guess that many people in the US have done it (if only to pass the checkride).

the turning stalls in the PTS are 20 degrees. hardly an accelerated stall

@pondlife load factor at 20 degrees is 1.06x

oh, yeah I've done turning and power-on stalls, which would increase the load factor slightly I suppose, but not the "yank the plane into a stall" kind.

@rbp Well, you can discuss the definition with the FAA :-) I think their point isn't about load factor but rather speed and attitude: 'regular' stalls are usually practiced below cruise speed (even power-on ones) and with wings level. They want you to experience a stall in a completely different configuration.

@Pondlife but they don't call it an accelerated stall, do they?

oh wait, if it's at cruise speed then yes

@falstro For the private license the term "accelerated stall" was removed and replaced with "spin awareness", including the 20-degree turn that rbp mentioned. The commercial license requirements still say "accelerated stall"; the FAA's airplane handbook says they should be entered at "maneuvering speed or less".

i guess it was so long ago i forgot about it!

How these two airplanes miscalculated their fuel reserves?

my favorite accelerated stall is spin entry in the cessna 172. stomp, bank, yank all at once, hold until you end up pointed at the ground and spinning. recover promptly before it decays into a steep spiral.

@Farhan I'm guessing the CA to HI ferry just put max fuel (w/ ferry tanks?) but forget to look at the headwinds enroute, or mis-estimated them.

@casey That could be it.

I was just surprised why such an obvious mistake was made

@falstro well, before the chute is deployed, it looks as if it's hardly moving (because the camera aircraft is alongside it or overtaking it), and after the chute is deployed, it looks as if it's moving laterally very quickly, almost until it hits the water

2200 nm is a loooong flight

and probably not much margin for headwinds or perhaps even temps to far above ISA

not to mention you need a good forecast as conditions can change quite a but over a flight that long

@DanHulme sure, but that's kinda obvious no? why is it unfortunate? :)

I just found that quite disturbing to watch

pop chute... zoooooom!

The part I found disturbing was the initial nose down under the chute. That has to be quite the ride.

yeah, that too