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rbp

12:58

I thought carriers can't fly circling approaches

For this reason alone, many 14 CFR 121 air carriers choose not train on circling approaches below the OpsSpec standard circling minimums of 1000-3 and further prohibit circling approaches at night.

faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/acf/media/RDs/…

ratchet freak

13:21

@rbp they can fly in circles they just choose not to

rbp

14:08

@Shalvenay noise abatement

casey

15:03

@rbp at expressjet our ATP certificates earned through upgrading has the limitations "ATP CIRC. APCH - VMC ONLY" and "EMB-145 CIRC APCH - VMC ONLY"

if you want to see air carriers circling, go sit somewhere you can see runway 29 @ EWR on a day with strong winds from the west

22L circle 29 and 4R circle 29 were common on those days

and everyone from the turboprops to Kalita's 747 would circle. some of the 777 would hold out on the straight in until the winds got exceptionally bad though

that also lead to the infamous among EWR crews CAL 757 landing on taxiway Z instead of 29.

pretty sure I flew a circle to land into montrose, CO as well, but its been a long time. I know EWR is not the only place I've done it in a transport category airplane

Farhan

15:20

@rbp You referenced the PDF in the answer, but added the URL in the question.

rbp

@casey EWR is my home airport. 25 flights a year, and never taken off/landed 4/22

@Farhan what is that in reference to?

@Farhan ok,i see now

Farhan

You rolled back.

rbp

@Farhan yes, because you changed the sense of the sentence.

a strake can be attached to the bottom, or it can be attached to the top, and abutted to the front of the vstab

Farhan

@rbp Ah. I thought it was redundant use of same word.

rbp

@Farhan no worries, thanks for you vigilance

Farhan

15:29

@rbp The PDF reference was in the question, but you mentioned it in the answer.

casey

@rbp in a rotorcraft or just provided enough donuts to EWR tower to let you have 11/29 every time?

Farhan

That's what I was originally referring to.

9 mins ago, by Farhan

@rbp You referenced the PDF in the answer, but added the URL in the question.

rbp

yes, yes, i got that part now.

@casey no, on commercial aircraft

casey

ah, you must only fly on awesome days then. I have hundreds of landings on 22/4 but only a handful on 11/29

rbp

sorry, @casey, i got that completely wrong

04/22 , but none on 11/29

casey

15:31

ahh, that is normal then

the circle to 29 is only used when the crosswind to 22/4 starts being problematic

rbp

i've seen departures on 11

casey

11 you can often get if you ask for it, at least if the controllers know you can work with them

they let us expressjet guys have it pretty often

rbp

it doesn't interfere with LGA traffic up the hudson?

casey

it was tricky though with spacing and you'd often be doing s turns at low level to make it work

I never departed 11 or 29

rbp

i guess that LGA traffic is still pretty high

the 11 departures were bizjets

i thnk less fuel to taxi?

casey

15:33

11 departures probably have to make the turn very early. the circle to 29 is tight too, precisely because of LGAs airspace

rbp

so i have some good (flying) news

casey

@rbp less fuel and if they are going over a different fix than most of the commercial traffic they can possibly get an earlier sequence for departure

rbp

i have an interview/flight for a glider pilot job

for the summer

i've never worked as a pilot

i don't even know what to wear to the interview

casey

though not always. I heard colgan one day "Colgan 1234, follow the expressjet ahead of you to 22R/W, you are 48 for departure, monitor tower passing K"

and so they ask for 29 to get out earlier.

rbp

we've had some crazy long sequences out of TEB in the PC-12

and don't have an (extra) engine to shut down

casey

15:36

ground taxis them over to 29 and they are the first airplane lined up for 29. "Colgan 1234, monitor tower you are #48 for departure"

@rbp TEB, EWR, LGA, JFK and friends all share the same departure fixes and when they say "aircraft over WHITE are limited to 10/hour" then that 1 departure every 6 minutes gets spread across everyone at all of the NYC airports

some of my favorite times at EWR were the absolute worst days

flow so backed up that clearance delivery is metering pushbacks and calling engine starts

the deice pad in full swing

going north over GREKI during the evening international push and being last in sequence always

oh, the EWR-YYT flight. long, always at night. YQX is your only real shot at an alternate. 40 kt winds in freezing fog was not abnormal during approach and landing. Also fun being the only airplane descending while everyone else is getting handed off to oceanic for the NAT crossing

rbp

16:08

@casey YYT, wow,

@Farhan "that" is preferred over "which"

Farhan

@rbp It's a question or statement?

rbp

@Farhan statement

@farhan and the reason for joining those two sentences is because the claim "sailplanes have strakes" is supported by the "the handbook says...."

Farhan

@rbp I don't know about the preference. I made that change to avoid repeating same words repetitively in a single sentence. You can change it back if you don't like it.

rbp

i've edited it

Farhan

Cool :)

rbp

16:25

@Farhan i hope its clearer

6 hours later…

Farhan

22:30

Q: What the preparations and procedures to consider for circumnavigation?

If one wants to circumnavigate the planet in a general aviation airplane, how can one do it and what are the important issues to consider?

Shalvenay

23:22

@Casey -- very interesting stuff

fooot

@Farhan I like the question and your answer provides a great overview, but it does seem very broad. Breaking it into multiple questions may be a good idea.

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