The Hangar

voretaq7

02:00

@DannyBeckett Yeah, I'm not too particular about sharing my toys, but the availability of the planes I like is less-than-I'd-like

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 what kind of plane do you fly?

voretaq7

(I'd really only rent from NFI because their maintenance guys are as OCD as I am, I'm not a high-wing guy so that limits me to the Piper and Cirrus line, and both tend to book out all the time)

Piper PA-28 Cherokee

{| |} The Piper PA-28 Cherokee is a family of light aircraft designed for flight training, air taxi, and personal use. It is built by Piper Aircraft. All members of the PA-28 family are all-metal, unpressurized, single-engined, piston-powered airplanes with low-mounted wings and tricycle landing gear. They all have a single door on the copilot side, which is entered by stepping on the wing. The first PA-28 received its type certificate from the Federal Aviation Administration in 1960, and the series remains in production to this day. Current models are the Arrow and Archer TX and LX....

one of those :)

Danny Beckett

another piper!

somebody else on Aviation.SE flies one of them

unless I'm thinking of you >.<

voretaq7

probably me - though I wouldn't be surprised if someone else did, they're dog common

Danny Beckett

are you the one who's plane is 10 years older than him?

voretaq7

02:03

oh no, much older than that

my plane turns 50 next year. I'm thinking of having the paint shop do a "50 years" decal on the tail or something :P

Danny Beckett

ah yeah, it is you though I'm thinking of

just checked your profile

d'oh

@voretaq7 lol you need to get @PatoSáinz to "pimp up" your stereo :p

Anonymous

@voretaq7 i'll help you gladly

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett hell no, I like my useful load where it is thanks :P

Anonymous

also wtf how do you trust old planes

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 good answer

Anonymous

02:05

@voretaq7 bu... bu... it's useful

voretaq7

@PatoSáinz Fuel is useful.

Anonymous

you need a good stereo

voretaq7

("Things you hear in Ground School")

Danny Beckett

somebody brought a "little" plane in the pub I was in

voretaq7

@PatoSáinz I have a perfectly fine intercom with a music input.

Danny Beckett

02:06

its tank was in its nose instead of its wings

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett Not sure how I'd feel about that - as you burn off fuel your nose would come up.

Danny Beckett

most of the weight was in its nose

it was the size of a pool/snooker table

voretaq7

It's annoying enough having to balance roll as I burn off fuel - I wouldn't want to have to balance pitch too :P

egid

voretaq7

@egid you fly low wing - do your line guys comment about your fuel burn too? :)

Danny Beckett

02:08

@egid that actually looks just like it :p

tiny back gear

egid

god dammit images

@DannyBeckett that would be a Piper Cub

@voretaq7 well, since I am my line guy, occasionally?

voretaq7

@egid ...where's the Continental hamster go? :)

Danny Beckett

@egid do you give stack exchange discounts for learning to fly? ...lol

voretaq7

@egid heh, self-serve fuel is alllllll the way on the other side of the field so I get the truck (and a nice discount :P)

our line guy once made a comment something to the effect of "You're the only piper guy whose tanks are even when I fuel you"

egid

errr do i edit this post

voretaq7

02:10

<-- has no idea how people fly with the tanks out of balance.

egid

because i know what the guy wants and obviously can't say?

@voretaq7 i do 30 minutes a side

if i'm solo, my side gets 60, then 30 each

Anonymous

@BretCopeland SE is broken plox fix

egid

if i go through 2-2.5 hours, i land, rinse, and repeat

Danny Beckett

@egid what? link?

voretaq7

@egid I do 30 minutes or when I realize I'm holding a wing up

egid

02:11

0

Q: Rotary planes in commercial flights

My exp in aviation is 0. That said looking in wiki Tu-95 bear offers high subsonic speed and extreme range. I assume that rotary engines are more fuel efficient than jet engines. If all the above are true then why we do not get to see more rotary engine planes in commercial flights?? 1 possible r...

this guy obviously means propeller, possibly specifically turboprop

Danny Beckett

good luck with, means nothing to me... sadly

gonna have to piss again, god damn alcohol

voretaq7

@egid don't fix that part (correct the misconception in the answer), but if you want to fix the grammar by all means

'cuz it makes my brain hurt reading it :P

Bret Copeland

@PatoSáinz no idea what you're talking about.

egid

@voretaq7 yeah, i wouldn't modify his assumption

voretaq7

@petergrace @Bsilverstrim77 did one of you jokers sever the uplink cable with your rolling chair again? :-)

Tweeted by voretaq7 on January 16, 2014 at 1:59 AM

"What good are your friends if they can't tease you mercilessly when your infrastructure breaks?" /cc @petergrace @Bsilverstrim77

Tweeted by voretaq7 on January 16, 2014 at 2:00 AM

@BretCopeland you fly low wing too - I assume you actually switch tanks to balance your fuel burn :-)

Bret Copeland

02:15

@voretaq7 Poor Bart and Peter... you know they're IT guys, not SRE's, right?

voretaq7

@BretCopeland ...and you think that would make me refrain from teasing them? :)

Bret Copeland

If the site goes down Nick, George, and Steve are the three guys who usually bring it back up.

voretaq7

crap I forgot to include George on that tweet :P

meh he'll see it he follows the other two :P

Bret Copeland

Also Geoff Dalgas... who is the other pilot at the company besides me.

Danny Beckett

Bret it sounds like you got it good there man..

egid

02:17

shit. he tagged it 'piston-engine'.

but he is talking about the Tu 95

Danny Beckett

roll in at midday.. "do some shit".. fly a plane

:p

egid

my edit, while awesome, assumes turboprop.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland Geoff's a developer - he just breaks it, the sysadmins get blamed for it.

egid

do i just blithely assume that he is asking why turboprop airliners aren't more common?

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 I'm amazed that I always remember to switch fuel tanks.

voretaq7

02:18

@egid I'd start by explaining that the TU-95 is turboprop and not piston :)

egid

but the problem is right now his question is terribly-worded

and basically can't be answered

voretaq7

some people don't have the concept of "just because it's got a propeller doesn't mean it's a giant rotary piston monstrosity"

egid

because it's not coherent

voretaq7

hang on, I'll take a stab at it - I'm used to fixing "WTF?"

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 Geoff is DevOps. So is Nick Craver. They're "developers" but they essentially run our network infrastructure along with the Site Reliability Engineers.

Danny Beckett

02:18

@BretCopeland what do you do for SE? please tell..

egid

i mean, 'rotary engine' is a specific thing

but i imagine he's intending to ask about this:

voretaq7

@BretCopeland ...don't the Cirrussessses have 430s in them? I thought the guys programmed all of those to pester the pilot about switching tanks

egid

Gnome-Rhône 14N

{| |} The 14N was a 14-cylinder two-row air-cooled radial engine designed and manufactured by Gnome-Rhône. A development of the pre-war Gnome-Rhône 14K, the 14N was used on several French and German aircraft of World War II. Design and development Facing criticisms over the 14K's reliability, Gnome-Rhône undertook a major upgrade of its 14-cylinder design, using different materials for the pistons and valves, and enlarging cooling surfaces by 39%. The new 14N was introduced in 1937 and was quickly adopted on several aircraft models. In 1939, minor improvements allowed Gnome-Rhône to in...

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 lol

Anonymous

DEVOPS

voretaq7

02:20

@PatoSáinz HISS

egid

@voretaq7 here's my edit:

Bret Copeland

@DannyBeckett I was originally hired as a Careers dev. Now I work on a new team building a better ad server.

@voretaq7 you think that tiny blinking yellow thing catches my eye?

Anonymous

@voretaq7 hey have you seen the latest AGILE METHODOLOGIES i mean omg that CI continious integration with ruby is awesome... sprinkle some twistd to it!

Danny Beckett

@BretCopeland ah that's cool. explains the aviation ad on SO ;)

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 Also, only the older Avidyne models have 430's. The newer ones have G1000 "Cirrus Perspective by Garmin"

voretaq7

02:21

@BretCopeland It used to piss me off in the Pipers. "What the fuck do you want? I DID THAT ALREADY LEAVE ME ALONE!"

Bret Copeland

@DannyBeckett I really had nothing to do with that. The ad server we're building isn't even live yet.

Danny Beckett

oh fair enough.

good having a "guy on the inside" though

voretaq7

I think the instructors got a kick out of me in the 430 planes. "Traffic...Traffic...." "No duh, it's the Republic traffic pattern. Take some valium sweetie."

Danny Beckett

;)

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett i know you love having guys in your insides

Anonymous

02:22

but plz, plz, keep it to yourself

voretaq7

<-- abusive to any form of technology. Siri is suing for separation and a restraining order...

Danny Beckett

wtf, lol

I'm clearly gonna need to pull out a cache of Insult Monger again...

Anonymous

I really fucking need a drink

Anonymous

fucking irl problems

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett insult monger?

Danny Beckett

02:24

Reconchatupico

:p

Anonymous

chúpala

Danny Beckett

@PatoSáinz Insult Monger was an awesome website ~>=5 years ago that had lots of offensive shit in various languages on

Anonymous

oh

Danny Beckett

nowadays you can just about find a Google cache, or Archive.org result

Anonymous

goddam youtube

Anonymous

02:25

my isp is cutting the videos and returning an error

Anonymous

also, my fucking windows keep getting unfocused by the goddamn taskbar

Anonymous

also, irl shit

Danny Beckett

write something in perl and call it quits

:D

voretaq7

0

Q: Rotary-engine planes in commercial flights

My experience in aviation is essentially zero, but looking at Wikipedia it seems like the Tu-95 Bear offers high subsonic speed and extreme range. I assume that rotary engines are more fuel efficient than jet engines. If all the above are true then why we do not get to see more rotary engine pla...

piston-engine jet-engine

Anonymous

brb gonna reboot, plus shout outside and maybe light a cigarrette, shit's getting my nerves

voretaq7

02:27

that seem a little more coherent? (I left "rotary" alone so the answers can go into an explanation of the different kind of piston engines - rotary, opposed, and radial)

Danny Beckett

you're 14.. shouldn't be smoking

egid

right. but his example, the cornerstone of his question, is a mad russian turboprop

Danny Beckett

lol!

I'm gonna go and reheat some Chinese, watch something, and hit the sack

enough annoying you guys for one night ;)

night guys

Anonymous

and i'm back

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett fuck you

Danny Beckett

02:33

fuck you too, and your perl

:)

Anonymous

actually, luckily for me, i am not addicted and i just save them for times when i really need something

Danny Beckett

Perl > PHP > JS > C#

Anonymous

^

Anonymous

you just said perl beats them all

Anonymous

you are too drunk for math bro

Danny Beckett

02:34

yeah I just realised that >.<

fuck youuuuuuu

lol

seeya

Anonymous

see you

lnafziger

@DannyBeckett Cya, happy birthday!

Anonymous

sup @lnafziger?

lnafziger

Hey, @PatoSáinz

Qantas 94 Heavy

Don't worry, drinking is fine

Anonymous

02:43

@Qantas94Heavy indeed

Qantas 94 Heavy

Especially for kids

Anonymous

indeeder

voretaq7

@egid Wiki'd up an answer that I think addresses most of his confusion. Feel free to edit/tweak/improve :)

(digging up all those Wikipedia links was fun)

lnafziger

04:00

!!lesson

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #6: There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots!

Lesson #17: What's the difference between a fighter pilot and his aircraft? The plane stops whining when you shut down the engines.

Lesson #41: Pilots talk about women when flying, and flying when with women.

Lesson #8: The likelihood of surviving a crash is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival.

Lesson #37: I am serious, and please don't call me Shirley!

egid

04:12

Hah

Kind of sad that the first flight this calendar year is gonna be airline.

Gotta get to funerals on the other corner of the country somehow I guess

Tim Post

Hey, Otto, did you get my email about becoming a moderator?

!!teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #8: The likelihood of surviving a crash is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival.

voretaq7

@TimPost Will you pay him more than the airlines?

Tim Post

@voretaq7 Yes, but in unicorn dollars

voretaq7

@TimPost hmmmm, unicorns....

lnafziger

04:24

@TimPost Haha, Otto is 4th in votes. A strong contender for sure!

Tim Post

There's strong talk about hiring Otto - we'd save a fortune on airfare if we just bought a plane and hired a pilot. And since we're so diverse, the opportunity to hire a pilot made out of plastic is just irresistible.

3

Anonymous

What is with the SE CMs and unicorn dollars

Anonymous

@OttotheAutopilot would you refactor HandleSuccess for them?

lnafziger

I won't be surprised if that actually happens in my lifetime (albeit probably close to the end of it).

voretaq7

@PatoSáinz Stack Exchange isn't really Jeff/Joel's baby. The unicorns set the whole thing up and installed them as a shadow government. This whole thing is just a charade to cover the Unicorn plan for <sound of hoofbeats>....oh shit - they've found me! <RUNS>

lnafziger

04:32

At the very least, I think that we will see airliners with only one pilot.

voretaq7

@lnafziger An autopilot, a pilot, and a dog? :)

lnafziger

@voretaq7 My favorite aviation joke. :-)

Anonymous

@voretaq7 I think that those unicorns may be colluded with popehat's ponies

Anonymous

popehat.com/2012/09/26/ponies-101-introduction-to-ponies

voretaq7

@lnafziger joke...yes....of course.... <cut to pilot's lounge - little dogs in service vests with FAA licenses in the clear pouch>

lnafziger

04:35

lmao, speaking of which... time to walk my dogs.

be back in a bit. :)

lnafziger

05:20

Off to bed.. night all!

Stack Exchange

12:13

This Day in Aviation: 16 January 1942

posted on January 16, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

16 January 1942: Transcontinental and Western Air, Inc., Flight 3, a Douglas DC-3-362, registration NC1946, was a transcontinental flight enroute to Los Angeles, California from New York City. The pilot in command was Captain Wayne C. Williams, an 11-year employee of T&WA. He had 12,204 hours total flight time with more than 3,500 hours in […] The post 16 January 1942 appeared first …

Stack Exchange

12:32

0

Q: Moderators Pro Tempore Announcement

Throughout the beta, we need members from the site whose focus is to engage the community, both in community-building issues and site management. That's why we select a few members from each community to act as temporary, provisional Moderators. You can read about the program here: Moderators Pro...

discussion featured moderation

2

Tim Post

12:57

@voretaq7 @egid @lnafziger Congratulations :)

3

Also fair to mention that while an employee and not an appointed moderator, @BretCopeland has been doing a fantastic job of helping to lead this community in the early stages, and I'm sure will continue to do so (with his gen-u-wine Stack Exchange standard issue diamond)

4

DeltaLima

13:46

@lnafziger @voretaq7 @egid Congratulations guys! Looking forward to see this site flourish under your supervision.

lnafziger

15:21

@TimPost @DeltaLima Thank you both very much!

@voretaq7 @egid Congratulations to both of you, I'm excited about working together!

Tim Post

16:08

So they can just shut down the TSA now, right? We've got Stack Exchange Moderators in the skies.

lnafziger

@TimPost lmao, sounds like a good idea to me!

@TimPost Although maybe they just need to be moderated a little better. :)

@TimPost BTW, I can't access the Teacher's Lounge...

Tim Post

@lnafziger Your chat account is associated with SO, one moment - I'll fix it

(Has to be associated with the site you're a mod on)

Should be good now

lnafziger

@TimPost Ahh, for future reference, how do I change that?

Tim Post

In your chat profile

brb

Lnafziger

Okay, thanks!

Tim Post

16:20

@voretaq7 you're fine, you can keep your chat associated with SF since you're also a mod there

voretaq7

16:45

@TimPost ...do you reeeeeeally want me going off on a TSA rant? :-0

Tim Post

@voretaq7 You tend to be comedic gold when you go on rants, so ... I'm not sure

voretaq7

@TimPost yeah but everyone within earshot winds up with SSS on their next boarding pass. something about being a terrorist and anti-american and think of the children :)

Stack Exchange

17:51

This Day in Aviation: 16–18 January 1957

posted on January 16, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

16 January 1957: Operation Powerflite. At 1:00p.m. PST, five Boeing B-52B Stratofortress eight-engine jet bombers of the United States Air Force Strategic Air Command, 93rd Bomb Group, departed Castle Air Force Base, California on a non-stop around-the-world flight. 45 hours, 19 minutes later, three B-52s landed at March Air Force Base, California, completing the 24,325 […] The post 16–18…

This Day in Aviation: 16 January 1975

posted on January 16, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

16 January 1975: Three United States Air Force pilots, Majors Roger J. Smith, William R. MacFarlane and David W. Petersen, test pilots assigned to the F-15 Joint Test Force at Edwards Air Force Base, California, set six Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) time-to-altitude records in one day, flying this unpainted McDonnell Douglas F-15A-6-MC Streak Eagle, serial number 72-0119, from [&…

abelenky

!!teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #48: A good landing is any landing you can walk away from. A great landing is one where they can re-use the plane.

Bret Copeland

19:13

Oh cool, new diamonds. @egid @Lnafziger @voretaq7 it's like Stack Exchange proposed to you.

Stack Exchange

0

Q: Repository for approach pictures?

Is there a repository that should be 'preferred' for specific approach plates? Since people may have particular questions about one or another is there some sort of macro that can be set up?

discussion

Lnafziger

@BretCopeland :) We are here to help you out!

Bret Copeland

@Lnafziger as long as you're not from the government.

Lnafziger

19:28

@BretCopeland Yeah right?

Anonymous

@BretCopeland i think you forgot my diamond

Anonymous

;)

egid

Hah. This will be interesting ;)

Lnafziger

@PatoSáinz Here you go: ♦

2

Anonymous

thanks

Anonymous

19:38

i'll proceed to ban everyone

voretaq7

@BretCopeland In the Stack universe polygamy is OK.

Imma make Aviation and SF fight to see who gets to be "wife #1"

Anonymous

@voretaq7 SF is the bitchy wife

Anonymous

and Aviation is the lover

Bret Copeland

Aviation is also younger and sexier.

Anonymous

SF has too many man traits

voretaq7

19:54

@PatoSáinz ...this isn't a problem for me :)

@BretCopeland ...but is it blonde?

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 all the SE sites recently had their hair dyed black. I'm not sure what its natural color is.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland oh, great. The goth phase. <sigh>

Anonymous

@voretaq7 I'm going to my country holiday house tomorrow

Anonymous

I trust you Aviation.se, please don't make a mess of it

voretaq7

20:13

Oh, Canada....

3

Anonymous

so many fucked up shit in just one piece of news

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 are you going to go to the "Meet The Controllers At FRG" event?

voretaq7

@BretCopeland <looks in email> 30th at 7pm? Yeah I can probably make that :-)

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 cool, I'm going to register for that too.

Lnafziger

You can meet them sooner... When you land just tell them that you have some leftover catering and would be happy to give it to them if they want it. They love us when we do that! :)

0

Q: Advantages in using a flight sim to prep for a private license?

I'm starting to save up to get my pilots license and I was thinking I might be able to do some amount of prep work by using a flight simulator. That being said, I realize there must be some huge limitations to what I can actually learn, on my own, on a flight sim. So, out of curiosity, are ther...

flight-training flight-simulator

roe

20:27

@voretaq7 Awesome! Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

Lnafziger

Exact duplicate?

31

Q: Can Microsoft Flight Simulator help me learn to fly (or make me a better pilot)?

Microsoft Flight Simulator has "flight lessons" with a virtual flight instructor, some of which teach concepts that are taught during actual flight training. These simulators are becoming very realistic, and I can see them being helpful as an introduction to a subject prior to running the hobbs ...

flight-training flight-simulator flight-instructor

voretaq7

@Lnafziger Our controllers don't eat possum :P

Lnafziger

I would have voted to close as a duplicate, but don't want to do it preemptively now, lol.

Bret Copeland

@Lnafziger the down side of having a diamond is that a vote to close is immediately binding... makes it harder to just vote as part of the community. That being said, I think it's asking a slightly different question since he wants to know how much sim prep will help with primary training specifically, not generally how it can help you as a pilot at any phase.

abelenky

well, I voted as a duplicate, just because I love the first question so much more. :)
(its been great for my rep. score)

Bret Copeland

20:37

room topic changed to The Hangar: Heckle the new moderators. (no tags)

voretaq7

Our moderators have a slight violence issue

Bret Copeland

We shouldn't give out diamonds, we should give out grenades.

abelenky

+1!

Lnafziger

@BretCopeland I know, that's why I said that I didn't want to do it preemptively. :)

That being said, the answers cover his question very well as they specifically address primary training.

Bret Copeland

@Lnafziger other people seem to agree with you. It has 4 close votes.

and the author just commented saying the other answers cover it for him.

Lnafziger

20:50

@BretCopeland Well, if it had 4 (or even 3) earlier I wouldn't have hesitated. With only one though....

Stack Exchange

This Day in Aviation: 16 January 2003, 15:39:00 UTC, T minus Zero

posted on January 16, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

16 January 2003, 15:39:00 UTC, T minus Zero: Space Shuttle Columbia (STS-107) lifted off from Launch Complex 39A at the Kennedy Space Center, Cape Canaveral, Florida. Columbia (OV-102) was America’s first space shuttle. This would be her final flight. © 2014, Bryan R. Swopes The post 16 January 2003, 15:39:00 UTC, T minus Zero appeared first on This Day in Aviation.

Bret Copeland

@StackExchange last book I finished was the Columbia Accident Investigation Board Report.

abelenky

Do you remember where you were the day of the Challenger accident?
I remember that far more clearly than I do the Columbia.

Bret Copeland

@abelenky I was in my mother's uterus.

I remember Columbia though.

abelenky

21:05

Geesh, make a guy feel old!

I was in 6th grade.... I ditched out of Art class early to go to the library and watch the launch.

Bret Copeland

21:16

@abelenky I'm amazed by how many people were watching. It it had been almost any other launch, not many people would have been watching it live. We have a hard time maintaining an interest in space.

I got to see two shuttle launches as a kid (including the John Glenn launch). I'm a little envious of the people in Florida who get to take rocket launches for granted.

Anonymous

21:58

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Aviation – aviation.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for aircraft pilots, mechanics, and enthusiasts.

Currently in public beta.

Anonymous

only okays and excellents... okay

Anonymous

still, all indexes are growing

abelenky

Yeah, I suspect the high profile nature of the launch meant there was big pressure on management to keep the schedule and not postpone it.

Anonymous

thanks @Pondlife

Pondlife

@PatoSáinz You're welcome!

voretaq7

22:16

oh yeah it's been 30 days our stats actually light up now don't they? :)

DeltaLima

Was just looking at it and we're okay at most points, and excellent at our answered questions percentage (99% / 90%)

voretaq7

@DeltaLima I expect the Q/Day and Visits/Day will level out OK in the next 30 days or so

DeltaLima

I hope to see some more questions I have a sensible answer to. There was little I could contribute to today

voretaq7

@DeltaLima today & yesterday were a little quiet

DeltaLima

@DannyBeckett I didn't have the time to categorize the !!teachmetofly lessons yet. I guess it will be next week.

I am considering to ask a couple of questions and answer myself

voretaq7

22:23

@DeltaLima go for it

Danny Beckett

@DeltaLima hey, no worries man! thanks for helping out

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett sup danny

Anonymous

are you sober now?

voretaq7

@BretCopeland Re: the "Meet the Controllers" event, make sure you register from your WINGS account :)

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 I did... because I need those credits to graduate.

Otto the Autopilot

22:34

@TimPost I accept my mod nomination! Otto to the rescue!! Who'll be the first to be randomly banned? :D

3

voretaq7

@BretCopeland heh, I need to spend an afternoon with an instructor and knock out some of the flight activities. I've got a bunch of stuff from safety seminars that are starting to expire :-P

Danny Beckett

@PatoSáinz yeah I am, sorry dude! >.<

Bret Copeland

@OttotheAutopilot I just want to tell you good luck. We're all counting on you.

Danny Beckett

@BretCopeland he's gonna need it :p

Anonymous

22:48

@DannyBeckett no need to apologise

Danny Beckett

@PatoSáinz I like your spelling there ;)

Anonymous

:)

Danny Beckett

@roe Turns out callsign Scarecrow from that Manchester ATC recording is literally a scarecrow... bird control

lol

abelenky

Wow: nbcnewyork.com/news/local/…

voretaq7

23:10

@PatoSáinz ! The answer is always "There's a regulation to cover that!"

Anonymous

lol

voretaq7

@abelenky Wow indeed.

"The FAA says it's investigating. " -- A certificate action against the atmosphere will be forthcoming.

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 they turned back because of "bumps and bruises"?

voretaq7

@BretCopeland Flight attendants are tough. That compound leg fracture? Just a scratch!

Bret Copeland

or they're the complete opposite of tough, and require immediate medical attention for bumping into the service cart.

voretaq7

23:13

hey! Those service carts are pretty tough too! They're what provides cockpit security when the captain has to get up to take a leak!

(this and other asinine theatrics brought to you by That Stupid Agency.)

Bret Copeland

Wouldn't the world be great if you could just trust people.

voretaq7

I propose an experiment: for 24 hours let's just have NO airport security. You can walk onto a plane with whatever the hell you want (subject to reasonable weight & balance restrictions, and excluding obvious safety hazards like bringing a live bobcat onboard).
If there's not a rash of hijackings and planes crashing into buildings give me 1/10th of the TSA's budget as a consulting fee and abolish the program.

(this is usually when my fat-ass congressman calls me a terrorist sympathizer)

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 ever heard Penn Jillette's solution to airport security?

voretaq7

@BretCopeland call the cops on them when they give you the freedom grope? I heartily approve! :)

(a) It's never a hot TSA agent that feels me up.
(b) I'm not that kinda guy - at least buy me dinner first!

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 no, it was much more creative. I'll try to find it.

voretaq7

23:21

I say we just give everyone a gun when they get on the plane.

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Anonymous

loool

Anonymous

@voretaq7 thus they'll be able to defend themselves

Anonymous

good idea

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 maybe a knife. Less likely to cause decompression at high altitudes.

voretaq7

(the stewardesses will sell bullets for the same price as nasty airplane scotch)

@BretCopeland Gun. With proper full metal jacketed rounds that will go through that beercan pressure vessel like.... well like a beercan.

Darwin Über Alles! :-)

voretaq7

23:40

Apropos of nothing, ignition keyswitches are so much more massive than you'd expect them to be.

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 what do you mean? Like the whole assembly with the relay?

voretaq7

@BretCopeland just the 3 position keyswitch - it's kinda massive

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 I think you were overselling that a little.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland compared to the one in my car (with a bigger key, and half the size)? :)

Bret Copeland

you could have set that on a mini-disc coaster.

voretaq7

23:47

it's got a good heft to it too but that's all the lock cylinder judging by the feel. Maybe I'll keep the old one around to throw at people :-)

@BretCopeland it's about the size of a standard post-it square

Bret Copeland

True. When I think of post-it notes, the first descriptor which comes to mind is "massive."

voretaq7

for a keyswitch it is

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Uncontrolled Airspace: General Aviation Podcast: "Known Icing" UCAP #347A

posted on January 16, 2014

Jack and Jeb record their first impressions of the 2014 US Sport Aviation Expo in Sebring Florida. Recorded Jan 16, 2014.

Bret Copeland

Oh thank god the feed gave us something else to talk about.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland ...if they start talking about keyswitches I'll buy you a beer :)

Bret Copeland

23:55

@voretaq7 how about just picking me up from the train station for that FRG event.

voretaq7

I can do that too

Bret Copeland

There's a Farmingdale cab driver who often picks me up from NFI. He's a pilot, and claims to be a former detective. Interesting guy to talk to, though I'm occasionally skeptical of his stories.

voretaq7

@BretCopeland LI has some interesting cabbies

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