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AncientSwordRage

03:11

Quordle was hard, didn't complete. 1/4.

BESW

03:28

Clever Girl by Matthew Gravelyn. Survival in a failed dinosaur theme park. (new updated release!)

ARC (Australian Roleplay Community) is hosting games of Pidj's The Sun's Ransom on March 5 and 11. (twitter announcement with link to Discord for registration)

Joel Harmon

03:41

I'm pretty surprised that I didn't see this above

It's Time to Come Clean — Brandon Sanderson

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AncientSwordRage

@JoelHarmon your welcome to post it here, but that's more sort of a Reading Room/The Restaurant at the End of the Universe thing to share maybe?

And even then, I've been sharing with smaller groups so the discussion doesn't spill over to those who haven't seen it yet.

Joel Harmon

I posted it here because I'm (barely) a regular-ish participant here, and I know there are some other fans of his around. I also posted it without commentary, for reasons that should be clear to anyone who viewed it.

AncientSwordRage

@JoelHarmon that's all good with me

BESW

05:02

...I just googled it because I'm not about to watch 16 minutes of click-bait-titled video to find out something that could've been effectively communicated in two dozen words.

Hot RPG Questions

05:15

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BESW

05:57

Across RPGSEA is starting a newsletter! (announcement with signup link)

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Can I cast the Cure Wounds spell as an action, then use the sorcerer's Metamagic option Quickened Spell to cast Eldritch Blast as a bonus action?

Is it legal to cast Cure Wounds with an action, and then use the sorcerer's Quickened Spell Metamagic option to cast Eldritch Blast as a bonus action? I was told by a DM that I was unable to do this as the rules contradict it "By RAW". I have looked over the rules and do not see where this is sta...

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Bardic Wizard

06:14

@BESW I will let you know when I have a draft, maybe you’d like to read it and see whether it helps your brain work!

(The drama, incidentally, is less intense than I made it out to be. The mahjong club president is one of my best friends, and she’s just fed up with giving the same explanations every week to the same people. Still, it forms part of the social politics of my grade and I track that stuff cause I don’t get it otherwise)

BESW

@BardicWizard I'd love to see it just because, when it's ready, helpful to me or not!

I don't always understand the things you make but I enjoy seeing them anyway.

Bardic Wizard

@BESW thanks, glad to know somebody likes to see them

Hot RPG Questions

07:20

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Q: How can a DM handle players coming up with PCs that they don't feel are a good fit for a world or campaign

My situation: I've been worldbuilding for a while and more so since it looked likely I'd get to DM for the first time. I provided a pre-session zero PDF to my players, containing 6 truths as well as both some details about common folk creatures and some blurbs about the more obscure races that t...

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BESW

@HotRPGQuestions Oh look, the reason problem-players is a problem-tag.

AncientSwordRage

08:43

@BESW it's tuned like this I like to remember that the GM is also a player

@BESW the gist is covered in the first ~2 minutes, but I get that click-baity titles are off-putting

Fwiw, I watch his regular videos and ended up reading the comments before deciding it was worth watching

BESW

09:27

Yeah, I find those fake-apology-joke videos rather tasteless at the best of times, and using it to make an important announcement seems like a poor choice.

If he thinks it's a good idea to reference that genre of video in the title, he's risking any trust I'm willing to give that he's gonna get to the point or that the point will be worth my while. And then if I do click through, it's over 16 minutes long?

Thomas Markov

11:17

@GroodytheHobgoblin Take it easy in the tag edits

The whole front page is glyph of warding questions.

When undertaking retagging projects, we prefer to do it in small batches (<=5) to not flood the front page.

@GroodytheHobgoblin pinging one more time…

Groody the Hobgoblin

Hi Tomas - got it. Will refrain for now then, and do it here and there over time. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Thomas Markov

It’s a good candidate spell for having its own tag due to the question volume (similar to wish and simulacrum) but now the entire front page is questions about glyph, and will be for most of the day.

Groody the Hobgoblin

@ThomasMarkov There is no direct messaging on the platform it seems, other than putting a comment that evenutally shows in your inbox?

Thomas Markov

Mods can “super ping”, but there is no direct message for regular users.

Groody the Hobgoblin

Yes, I see what you mean. Apologies, I should have realized it would have that effect.

Thomas Markov

11:29

@GroodytheHobgoblin There are 67 more questions mentioning the spell that haven’t been tagged yet, but not all of them will need it. Do five a day for the next week and a half and it should cover all of them.

Groody the Hobgoblin

@Tho

@ThomasMarkov sounds good, thank you

Thomas Markov

It’s a good candidate for its own tag not just because it has a high question volume, but because it presents unique and complex mechanics. Scorching ray is mentioned in 100 questions,

but not because it has weird mechanics, but because it’s a popular choice for damage dealing Wizards and sorcerers. It would not be a good candidate for its own tag because it doesn’t present interesting problems itself, it’s just a use case for other features that do present interesting problems

NautArch

Is it worth a meta to discuss the tag need?

This feels similar to tiny hut

Thomas Markov

@NautArch it probably was, but we’re a little ahead of the curve there at this point.

@NautArch My bet would be that the favored take was “it’s probably fine, just do it in small batches”.

@GroodytheHobgoblin Naut has a good point though, it’s never a bad idea to coordinate projects like this on meta first

NautArch

I'd suggest a post now to see if it's necessary or if we should roll back.not too late to undo.

Thomas Markov

11:41

@NautArch mods can burninate the tag without bumping the questions I think

@NautArch if you ask the question I’ll write a response later

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov exactly. Let's make sure we need to do this, because I'm not sure we do.

9

Q: Should we be tagging individual spells?

I came across a question today tagged with the (partial) name of the specific spell the question contemplates. Now I like a tiny-hut as much as the next sheep, and I do believe in emergent folksonomy. But is this a point where we, as a community, say "hmm... maybe not?" To be a little cleare...

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@GroodytheHobgoblin ^

Thomas Markov

@NautArch fair enough, I’ll take the L

The real question: should we burninate the ones we already have?

On another note, I still think we should dupe all of the “can wish do blank” questions to that one I answered.

Someone_Evil

12:03

@GroodytheHobgoblin Editors are also pingable in a posts comments, which should notify immediately

I was gonna start out with saying we don't need the tag, but I do see how it is similar enough enough to wishes and simulacra. Is there a better generic term? The fact that I'm not immediately thinking of it suggests no..

NautArch

But do we need to be making new tags for spells?

Thomas Markov

@NautArch I would still say generally no, but I explained my reasoning above when comparing to scorching ray.

NautArch

12:19

@Someone_Evil Are you suggesting we should add the tag? If so, a new answer to that meta would be good.

Someone_Evil

@NautArch I do think generally no. It's hypothetically not about the spell, but the specific concept that 5e (and others) implement as a spell. But I don't know a better term than that spell name

Exempt-Medic

Gotta love tag ideas... Before Echo-Knight would have been considered a bad tag, and now we just have it XD

NautArch

And are we too focused on d&d in creating this tag?

Someone_Evil

@NautArch Add the tag? The tag now exists, no? So the question would be whether to remove it. Unless I've gotten too confused

NautArch

I may be mistaken...when was the tag created?

I thought it was just made, but maybe just applied a lot today?

Exempt-Medic

12:22

@NautArch Well, we do have Battle-Master and Echo-Knight which are exclusively 5e

Someone_Evil

Yes, ok. I think we are on the same page just slightly different words

Exempt-Medic

I wonder if there's a way to find "tags that only exist on questions also tagged [dnd-5e]"

NautArch

It looks like it was just added to all of those questions, but was it there before?

Someone_Evil

@NautArch "Created 1 hour ago"

NautArch

That seems easy to burninate

Thomas Markov

12:28

@Exempt-Medic yes. Do some math: “[dnd-5e][tag]” - “-[dnd-5e][tag]”

Someone_Evil

The age of the tag doesn't really affect our ability to remove tags. If it comes to it, syn.ing into spells is the usual remedy

Thomas Markov

Or SEDE probably can find all of them without having to check individual tags.

Someone_Evil

But I'm not sure, I see the arguments both ways

NautArch

@Someone_Evil that was more of a gut check of was this in use before? If not, then the meta guidance seems to apply.

Someone_Evil

I think much of what (admittedly I) argued over the simulacra tag applies here aswell. Perhaps less strongly, but it isn't clear cut no to that tag for me

NautArch

12:39

Then we definitely need a new answer to that meta

And I'm not sure tag intent was for concepts rather than th spell itself. Hard to tell tho.

And all of the tagged questions are D&D

Which leads to spell>concept

Someone_Evil

That mostly says the concept is only used, or at least asked about, within D&D/PF

NautArch

Is that true?

Someone_Evil

I'm also not sure intent is the best lens. It's useful for the general address (don't generally make tags for individual spells), but it doesn't answer whether the tag actually works on its own

@NautArch Uhm, what aspect of it?

NautArch

@Someone_Evil That it's only been asked about in D&D/PF?

But again, if we need new guidance, then let's update the question. If this needs it's own meta for discussion like simulacra (which isn't a spell, but a concept as you said.), then we should do that, too.

But a single day's effort of creating a new tag that appears to apply only to spells within the D&D system just doesn't sit right with me.

Someone_Evil

@NautArch If it isn't, that would be useful examples to work with

Thomas Markov

12:51

Mmmmm I’ve an idea

Instead of a tag for glyph, how bout a tag for all spells that have caster-defined triggers. Call it [conditional-spells]

That is a concept.

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov This feels...wrong...for tag creation. I dunno, we're trying to force a reason and that seems to be different than the tag system.

But I also really don't understand the tags...so /shrug.

My main point is we seem to have guidance here. We can apply it, or we need a separate discussion and/or new guidance.

Someone_Evil

Similar to TM's thought, 5e's symbol falls squarely into the same concept as glyph, right?

And I'm not sure the intersection isn't best caught by [spells][traps] (+ evt. name)

Thomas Markov

@Someone_Evil Yeah, and contingency.

NautArch

@Someone_Evil Do we need this tag? Or are we trying to make a tag for X reasons?

But yes, I agree with your second bit.

Tags confuddle me.

BESW

@NautArch I feel like it's probably true of most tags. [grin]

Someone_Evil

13:00

Hmm... agreement is breaking down a bit. The actual trigger bit isn't (that often) the cause of questions. I mean we have a couple, but a lot of the question (as far I can tell quickly) aren't about that but other uses of the spell

Concerns around the trigger would overlap with contingency but I'm not sure how much else is

Thomas Markov

13:13

I'm gonna write a meta about wish.

nitsua60

13:43

@GroodytheHobgoblin We've all done it. Once =D

@ThomasMarkov In fact, I'd say that any time one is undertaking something that could be described as "a project," it's incumbent to seek some agreement/validation/guidance.

s/agreement/consensus

Thomas Markov

@nitsua60 Excuse you, I'll have you know I did it at least twice before I got the memo.

@nitsua60 Yeah, I'm down with that.

nitsua60

@ThomasMarkov lolfigsl

The *wish* point (that I think @GroodytheHobgoblin made in their meta A?) is an interesting one, though. If I want to browse around the *spell* wish, its ubiquity as a plain-English term makes that a little tough.
Or does it? How does the search "wish [spells]" compare to what one would want from the search "[wish]"?
Is that ^^ to much search-fu to be expecting of the browser?

Someone_Evil

We have 28 questions tagged wish but not spells, but I don't see any of those being harmed by synning wish into spells (should it come to that)

Thomas Markov

@nitsua60 I think we should dupe all the "can wish do blank" questions to the one with my answer and then syn to spells.

cuz theres a decent chunk of them that all have the same formula.

But Im gonna ask a meta about that today.

Which will be "If we dont want to dupe these questions, why shouldnt I post my answer to all of them?"

Why shouldnt I farm necromancer badges?

goodguy5

14:08

speaking of dupes @ThomasMarkov

Then should we make a question for every spell and cantrip combination? something to the effect of a few thousand questions?

I really don't get why this cure+eldritch blast question isn't a dupe.

Thomas Markov

@goodguy5 Absolutely we should /S

goodguy5

I'm not trying to die on this hill, I'm just trying to figure it out

And for the record, I upvoted it and the answers. I think it's valuable. I think it's just also a dupe

Thomas Markov

In this case, the nuance of "technically it doesnt work, but it does if you rearrange it" is specific to this question and isnt captured by the dupe target. A reader who is redirected to the question with the big table may just stop when they find the proposed combination, and never figure out that switching the order makes it legal.

NautArch

Circling back to Glyph-of-warding...should we burninate/meta/something else?

Thomas Markov

@NautArch We should burninate meta. All of it.

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goodguy5

14:14

@ThomasMarkov hrm........

Thomas Markov

@goodguy5 Going off our three dupe criteria, you're right, it meets the first two, but the failure of the target to capture that nuance is to me a compelling reason to let it stand.

goodguy5

I think that I just disagree with that, but I'm willing to chalk that up to "creative differences".

Like I said, I don't want to push the issue, but I really don't see why I'm not right on it, so to say it.

Thomas Markov

And if we get more questions where the nuance of which one gets quickened comes up, we can dupe them to this one.

goodguy5

deal

Thomas Markov

@goodguy5 It isnt a big deal to me either way, that's just my perspective on why I voted to leave open.

My take isnt any more valid than anyone else's.

goodguy5

14:18

Sure, I get that

Thomas Markov

You can ask on meta, I'll write an answer and we can see how the community votes it.

goodguy5

yea, see, I don't care that much lol.

I'm about 3 forks short of caring that much

Thomas Markov

14:37

@NautArch I think a meta is in order.

bobble

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Thomas Markov

@bobble You mentioned updating pronouns yesterday, are you still okay with she/her? (I didnt see that your profile changed)

bobble

I updated my chat profile but not my main-site profile

Thomas Markov

Now I feel...observed.

bobble

I'm in a bit of a halfway where I at once find it affirming for friends to use they/them but care very little if strangers don't. People I talk to are on chat, so I updated only the chat one.

Way I put it to my roommates was I feel 2/3 they/them and 1/3 she/her

goodguy5

15:36

@bobble may I make a joke?

nitsua60

@goodguy5 What do you call a three-humped camel?

goodguy5

idk

@bobble also, I've reconsidered, I was trying to mathematically combine 2/3 they/them with 1/3 she/her, but after further consideration it is not worth it

nitsua60

@goodguy5 Pregnant!

goodguy5

@nitsua60 fair enough

you get a begrudging smirk and no more

Cat of doom2

15:57

@goodguy5 are you still here?

goodguy5

sup

Cat of doom2

helllo

goodguy5

hello.

Cat of doom2

i'm sad

nitsua60

@Catofdoom2 I'm sorry to hear it.

Want to talk about it in Here There Be Dragons?

Cat of doom2

16:09

i guess

nitsua60

(I'm sitting and proctoring one kid taking an exam for the next hour, got nowhere to go....)

Trish

16:55

Dangit, all the frontpage is glyph-of-warding questions... can someone please have a word with the person who did it?!

bobble

Already done chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/11?m=60555331#60555331

Trish

@GroodytheHobgoblin In future, please do things in small batches, and if you have brought it to meta, wait for replies there first!

@bobble gotcha

NautArch

@Trish Feel free to start the meta on what to do with this new tag :)

Trish

@NautArch I say CULL, according to the OLD concensus

NautArch

@Trish i'm personally on the burninate train

Trish

17:01

@NautArch hands a barrel of Promethium

Cat of doom2

wheres AncientSwordRage? i miss them

AncientSwordRage

I'm cold and waiting for a bus, that's where I am...

Cat of doom2

:(

i didn't ping you i thought

sorry

Trish

ASR can feel the ripples in the force when someone speaks their name!

Cat of doom2

sword rage

i summon yooouuuuuuu!

did it work?

Cat of doom2

17:18

so quiet

AncientSwordRage

Broken omniscience is right once in a while...

NautArch

17:57

@GroodytheHobgoblin It would be great if you want to continue your tagging if you could post a meta question about why you are doing itt, what the goal is, and whether or not it should be done. I think we have to determine if this needs to burninated or if we need a plan for rolling out the tag.

Groody the Hobgoblin

@Trish Yes, will do. Thomas already educated me that 5/day is the way to go with such things

@NautArch: there is a meta question discussing this already, here

NautArch

@GroodytheHobgoblin That's the general discussion - yours is specific. Unless you're saying you are going to follow that and not continue tagging?

Groody the Hobgoblin

The reason I was doing it is I thought that is how things are being done, based on oberving such tags for wish and simulacrum, to other high question density spells. GoW is in the same kind of spells. Lots of questions, over 100. Many different things going on from triggers, to what can it detect, to what can you put in to what can it target etc pp

Its a complex spell, in that it affords some kind of permanency and encourages people trying to find ways to exploit/break it (as I am sure you know)

NautArch

Sure, but large projects like this shouldn't be undertaken without a discussion first- especially when the general guidance is don't do it at all.

Groody the Hobgoblin

I can continue or stop. I think if we stop, we should strip all the tags I made, else I would continue, but at a modest pace that will finalize the tagging in the next 2 weeks

NautArch

18:12

I agree, if you don't want to continue, we should burninate the tag (not strip from questions.)

Groody the Hobgoblin

Still learning the ropes :)

NautArch

If you want to continue, then I'd suggest posting a meta about it

That way the community can help guide

Groody the Hobgoblin

I personally would continue, but I'm happy to go with what you als mods/old hands think is the way to go

NautArch

@GroodytheHobgoblin so many ropes!

Trish

@GroodytheHobgoblin The general concensus is: NO tags for specific spells.

Groody the Hobgoblin

18:13

OK will do

NautArch

@GroodytheHobgoblin If you think it's a good idea - then post the meta.

Don't just make the call yourself.

But if you're decision is to not, then we can just ask the mods to burninate.

Trish

@GroodytheHobgoblin I look forward to you trying to make your case that the tag serves a good purpose.

Cat of doom2

18:29

gimme a genre

i'll describe in 10 words or less

Trish

@Catofdoom2 neo-ancient Wuxia

Cat of doom2

example please lol @Trish

Trish

@Catofdoom2 Quing Dynasty Wuxia novels.

Cat of doom2

i meant video games but okay

ancient martial arts often in china and magic stuff @Trish

that right?

Trish

and all wrong there :P

Cat of doom2

18:38

@Trish damn. close for not knowing what it is? lol

Trish

"traveling warriors that adher to a codeof honor that differs from the law"

Cat of doom2

@Trish that seems more like a type of plot

Trish

Magic? not in it. ancient? I am talking about novels written in quing dynasty. China? Didn't exist for hundreds of years then. Martial arts - that's the only word that is correct.

Wuxia is nothing but a type of plot and story type.

Cat of doom2

nice

so not a genre?

Trish

it's both

it's getnerally "We are warriors of sorts that adher to the rules of the fighter society, which is a shadow society..."

2000 Years Evolution of the Wuxia Genre

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yes, the genre is OLD

Cat of doom2

18:42

well most are if you look back

The Oracle

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Q: Should I continue tagging Glyph of Warding?

There is a general discussion if we want spell tags or not over here. This question is specifically about Glyph of Warding. Currently 40 of a bit over 100 questions are tagged. I could either quitely continue at low volume and get it finished, or those who have access to the tool for it could rem...

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AncientSwordRage

19:58

@TheOracle my word, I have opinions...

Yuuki

@Catofdoom2 To be fair, nothing looks old if you look forward.

Cat of doom2

20:19

@DeadLegend001 hello

DeadLegend001

@Catofdoom2 Hi

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 whats your favorite tabletop RPG?

@DeadLegend001 here

@DeadLegend001 you stay here for now

@AncientSwordRage if you're around can you please introduce @DeadLegend001 to how we work here please

AncientSwordRage

@Catofdoom2 I'm not around enough to give a good breakdown of chat

Have they taken the main site tour or looked at any help?

Cat of doom2

@AncientSwordRage idk

DeadLegend001

@AncientSwordRage yes i know how it works

Cat of doom2

20:32

okay.

please use chats as their meant to

DeadLegend001

k

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 fill out your bio?

MikeQ

This is the public chat room for the Q&A site rpg.stackexchange.com, although most conversations are about other topics. All messages here are visible to everyone; there are no private messages. Anyone with a stackexchange account and some minimum rep can send messages. Messages are compatible with markdown format. Messages can be edited for a short period after they are initially sent. Users with blue names are site moderators. All users are expected to be polite & respectful.

This is also a good space for asking for clarification & feedback & back-and-forth discussion on mainsite questions, if necessary. Although sometimes a separate chat room might be created for that purpose instead.

goodguy5

20:50

yea, this should probably go to like.... Here there be dragons or something

Cat of doom2

@goodguy5 he's new. lemme apoligize on his behalf

goodguy5

Here There Be Dragons

For topics that should be opt-in, not opt-out. Please respect ...

you don't need to, it's fine.

doppelgreener

yeah let's move that topic there once we wind up our current conversation in HTBD

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 please censor yourself atlest slightly on here

Someone_Evil

→ 11 messages moved to Here There Be Dragons

DeadLegend001

20:52

@cat Is the 8th Level Necromancy the hardest D&D Spell to cast?

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 what!?

i thought you didn't know about DND

@DeadLegend001 hardest how?

because difficultly on dice roll no. difficultly from time investment possibly

DeadLegend001

@cat If it isnt hard does one consider the Tarrasque hard to kill?

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 its supposed to be impossible so yes

DeadLegend001

@cat Okay

goodguy5

The most impossible monsters to kill are the ones we create for ourselves.

MikeQ

20:58

The real monsters are the friends we make along the way.

Cat of doom2

level 8 necromancy isn't easy mind you just not the most difficult spell @DeadLegend001

DeadLegend001

@cat okay that makes more sense

Cat of doom2

someone correct me if i'm wrong but believe their are spells that require divne magic i.e. you have to be a god

goodguy5

@Catofdoom2 in 5e? not really.

Someone_Evil

You're outside the realm of what 5e defines, though I believe older editions did to some extent

Cat of doom2

21:02

@Someone_Evil i mix up 3e and 5e alot

Someone_Evil

I don't think that's too uncommon, but makes it doubly important that we clarify what we're asking about

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 should i explain the editions and stuff?

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Cat of doom2

lol

DeadLegend001

21:06

@Catofdoom2 The: 6 A Dire Wolf tho

lol

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 explain please

DeadLegend001

I personally thnk we should be able to tame them...They're cool

Cat of doom2

have you played??

DeadLegend001

@cat yes we had this conversation already i played when i yas younger

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 what edition?

DeadLegend001

21:10

@cat I believe 3e

Cat of doom2

3.5 or 3?

DeadLegend001

the older one

so 3

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 i have somthing to tell you

don't @ all thats not cool

MikeQ

The "@all" syntax doesn't do anything in site chats.

goodguy5

I mean @all doesn't do anything

it's not like discord

Cat of doom2

21:12

@goodguy5 he didn't know that

its the point of it

goodguy5

maybe he did idk.

I was just saying

Very few people only played 3 (without playing 3.5).

3 had a bunch of goofy balance issues that were too numerous to errata, so they rereleased it.

Mithical

@Catofdoom2 you don't need to act as a "chaperone" for a new chat member. Guidance as necessary is fine, but constant pinging and giving instructions without being asked to is a bit over the top.

Cat of doom2

@goodguy5 people were being mean to dead so i'm trying to explain the problem to him without taking sides

goodguy5

who's being mean to whom?

Cat of doom2

@goodguy5 uuuum. i can't tell you that

goodguy5

21:17

@Catofdoom2 because you are unable to point to any mean actions, or you feel that it's not allowed?

Cat of doom2

@goodguy5 because it'll make people angry that i told on them

@goodguy5 i really just want us to all be friends and happy

goodguy5

This isn't elementary school, there's no tattling. And no need to make everyone be friends. There are a handful of people on the stack I don't like, and I'm sure a few people that don't like me, as well.

You move on and act like an adult.

Cat of doom2

@goodguy5 are we friends...?

goodguy5

At any rate, my point was that I had not witnessed any mean-spirited actions towards our new associate, DeadLegend, and was hoping for clarity on the matter

MikeQ

In any case, new users are welcome here. Just keep in mind that it is a public text chat, and it's generally the first chat room that folks would enter from the main Q&A site.

goodguy5

21:21

@Catofdoom2 No, we're internet acquaintances.

Cat of doom2

@goodguy5 good engough for me

lol

doppelgreener

we can be internet frenemies

goodguy5

@doppelgreener some of us are.

Cat of doom2

@doppelgreener @goodguy5 we can't be internet friends?

is that not a thing?

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nice

doppelgreener

it is a thing!

Someone_Evil

21:25

@Catofdoom2 Unless I'm missing something or you're referring to someone elsewhere, but I'm not seeing whatever you're referring to. I saw a couple of points where information (/pointers to) was provide when it was fairly clear that information was sought and needed. If any of that was perceived as hostile I'm sure it was unintended and we could easily dispel the notion. But it's probably better to let Dead chime in on their own

goodguy5

@Catofdoom2 we could be, theoretically, but you and I don't have that much rapport. I don't know you well. We've interacted maybe 10 or 15 times? and it's generally superficial.

AncientSwordRage

Friends is a nebulous term... Somewhat cheapened/diluted by Facebook

DeadLegend001

OOF

Someone_Evil

@doppelgreener Do we still get to hate-cuddle?

DeadLegend001

Wait whats a hate-cuddle

Cat of doom2

21:26

@DeadLegend001 very angry cuddles

doppelgreener

@Someone_Evil I guess but I won't enjoy it

DeadLegend001

Umm...................

AncientSwordRage

@goodguy5 I get on with GG5 and I've known them for a while in chat but I'd still say they're more of an acquaintance than a friend

goodguy5

@AncientSwordRage eh, I never had an issue with that in particular the compound word "Facebook Friend" covered the distinction from actual friends for me.

DeadLegend001

imma step out while this happens

Someone_Evil

21:26

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AncientSwordRage

@goodguy5 same, but then people online I know IRL start using/confusing the two...

Someone_Evil

@Someone_Evil (some strong language I suppose)

goodguy5

tbh, I would put almost everyone in here in the acquaintance bucket, with fewer exceptions than I would need one hand to count.

And also @Xirema who is a math elemental.

doppelgreener

@Someone_Evil this is marvelous

goodguy5

@Someone_Evil Thanks for the laugh out loud

AncientSwordRage

21:30

LRR are really good

Cat of doom2

@goodguy5 according to your defintion i don't think i ave any friends lol

goodguy5

If you don't, that's okay.

I have 1ish friend from before college. maybe 2-3 more people who I would call friends, but don't talk to from that same time.

a handful of friends from college

1-2 friends from Missouri
a handful from when we moved to chicago
and a handful from when we moved back to philly.

Friends are few and far between. They're people that you trust and like and root for. They're people that you actually know and share things with.

And sometimes, they're a little bit more. Sometimes they're basically family. People you love and cherish and can rely on when the chips are down.

oh snap, it's the fuzz @V2Blast

V2Blast

@goodguy5 Haha, hi. :D

How's it going?

goodguy5

Humans are very odd creatures with a multitude of differences - some of which make you incompatible with certain other ones. I meet plenty of people who are perfectly likeable or better, that I do not care at all to be around. We don't mesh.

And there are a few people who I like very much who are not great people.

It's a very weird unnavigable maze of life trying to find your humans out there.

Cat of doom2

@goodguy5 maybe i'm to open then

because now i think i have alot of friends lol

AncientSwordRage

21:39

@Catofdoom2 I've gone without before, it's not too bad :-)

goodguy5

And that's the end of my 'what even are friends' rant

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 hi

DeadLegend001

@Catofdoom2 Hi

Cat of doom2

we learned what friends are

DeadLegend001

@Catofdoom2 Health class......

Thats educational

Cat of doom2

21:43

...

cease and desist

DeadLegend001

WARNING!!!!

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 stop

DeadLegend001

We are learning about how im missing a test

Cat of doom2

go to dragons

oh

DeadLegend001

WARNING!!! end...

We are also learning emotions so....

we're watching Inside Out

Cat of doom2

21:45

@DeadLegend001 i'm confused

DeadLegend001

why

about what

MikeQ

So, you were looking to run a session zero for an upcoming game? Did you find the linked questions to be useful?

goodguy5

@DeadLegend001 I did enjoy that movie

DeadLegend001

Eh...kinda

I like it too i just watch it too mny times at home with siblings

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 whats the campaign about?

DeadLegend001

21:49

I don't really know im not the one making it my friend is

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 then why were you asking the questions

DeadLegend001

I need to know for when i make my own

MikeQ

Having a session zero would still be a good idea. It helps the GM and players sync up their expectations (assuming they plan to have a regular group of players), and that's kind of essential to any good tabletop campaign.

DeadLegend001

@MikeQ That is actually really helpful thx

What should I look for in finding people to make a D&D party

Someone_Evil

As in finding players?

MikeQ

21:53

There's a common myth that the GM is supposed to prepare the entire campaign world and story, in secret, by themselves, with no input from players. And that attitude is very counterproductive. It tends to cause burnout and clashing expectations, which can make the campaign fall apart.

Cat of doom2

@DeadLegend001 you should like them

DeadLegend001

Yes tier till called partys right?

goodguy5

mostly just people willing to work together and get along.

Sometimes you'll find someone who's just a clashing personality at the table, but usually decent people make decent gamers

DeadLegend001

ok

Someone_Evil

@DeadLegend001 Yes and no, we often talk about a playgroup of players who play a party of characters. And distinguishing between the two can be very helpful

goodguy5

21:56

ugh, I used to play with this one guy who's a swell guy, but omg he always wants to play these anime knockoff characters that are just bulls in a china shop.

tbh, I think he's more just interested in being at D&D than playing D&D

MikeQ

Yep, tabletop RPGs (including D&D) are fundamentally social games, which means they are more fun when played in a group of people who are fun to interact with. Being smart and having system mastery are secondary priorities.

DeadLegend001

Yes, I know someone like that he just wants to be Anime characters all the time

goodguy5

And there's nothing inherently wrong with basing a character on another character, but it should somewhat work within the group.

DeadLegend001

Gelatinous Cube tho

Best monster in the game by far

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