TRPG General Chat - 2021-08-09

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Ben

00:19

Howdy

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AncientSwordRage

02:06

@Ben ahoy there

Ben

How be things

bobble

We traumatized one of the bunnies today by taking her away from her sister and holding her down for de-furring

Ben

oh dear lol

BESW

02:26

CASE&SOUL by Briar Sovereign. a lightweight tabletop game for telling action-packed stories in the mecha genre. Built on a slimline version of the Blades in the Dark ruleset

AncientSwordRage

02:45

@Ben they be

Ben

@AncientSwordRage Until they no longer be

Hot RPG Questions

03:26

1

Q: Can you stack AC bonuses with an Artificer's Infusions?

Can you stack AC bonuses with an Artificer's Infusions? I get that you can't use the same Infusion on multiple items. However... does the Enhance Defense Infusion and Repulsion Shield Infusion stack in AC bonuses. Enhance Defense Infusion +1 AC (+2 at Lv10) Repulsion Shield Infusion +1 AC (Knock...

dnd-5e stacking artificer armor-class artificer-infusions

BESW

03:51

@nitsua60 Thought of you:

Ace of Spades - Torenfestival Weert

V2Blast

04:11

I'm flying down to stay with my SO on Wednesday, and my SO and I are moving into our new apartment on Saturday. I basically finished packing my checked baggage today :)

Tired, but feeling productive

Ben

@V2Blast for some reason my brain interpreted "SO" to be "Stake Out" instead of "Significant Other". That got confusing very quickly haha

V2Blast

@Ben hahaha, interesting

Ben

That's good to hear though! when other people are relaxed that makes me feel good :)

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nitsua60

05:21

@BESW ooh, nice carillon work!

BESW

05:49

@nitsua60 Hah, I knew you'd know what was going on there.

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BESW

07:11

Rob Donoghue wrote a twitter thread about the question "What are you balancing and why?"

AncientSwordRage

07:25

@Ben too true

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Hot RPG Questions

10:02

4

Q: How can I give my Iron Man Artificer build sustained flight without wings?

I was trying to make myself Iron Man in D&D 5e. I selected the Armorer Artificer subclass and got Infiltrator armor for the lightning launchers. Now, I need a way to fly and I can't find a way to get sustained flight without wings. Any ideas? Edit: I am looking for a way to have permanent flight ...

dnd-5e magic-items artificer

The Oracle

10:56

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Q: Should we add a definition of a good answer to the tour?

New users often post uncomplete/chatty answers. Here's a typical comment to such an answer: Welcome to the site! Please take the tour when you get the chance. It's important to note that we're not a forum and we don't do discussion; if you post as an answer, you should directly answer the questi...

feature-request new-users tour

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Akixkisu

12:48

Does someone know whether a SEDE-query exists that would show all users who have asked at least one question and have not earned the informed badge?

Someone_Evil

data.stackexchange.com/rpg/query/1359480 ?

Hmm that only gives the count and 1646 sounds low

Akixkisu

@Someone_Evil instead a querey about users who have not checked the tour after posting :)

@Someone_Evil that seems as expected.

I had a clickthrough rate regarding the tour magic link of low one-digit numbers.

(manually checked until I stopped leaving those comments)

Someone_Evil

The search function on SEDE leaves a lot to be desired, but you might want to peruse the rest of data.stackexchange.com/rpg/queries?q=tour

Otherwise you need someone who speaks database

Akixkisu

I'm honestly surprised that almost 15% of users have the badge.

Someone_Evil

IIRC users without any posts end up roomba'd (or at least used to?), and I'd suspect a good share of those 85% are unregs

Akixkisu

13:04

@Someone_Evil Hence my surprise - that is many more than I expected. From my understanding, only accounts by users with 1 rep are subject to abandonment.

Someone_Evil

They have to have basically no activity ever to be removed

I also don't know how many of the user count are network users, who might well not bother taking the tour on every site

Akixkisu

@Someone_Evil that is interesting.

Someone_Evil

There are several places the site points a user to taking the tour is there not?

Akixkisu

Hm, kind of.

More things point towards the help center.

Most notably the helpful links screen when asking.

Thomas Markov

@Someone_Evil Do you want to go ahead with the name change on arcane-focus

Apparently a mod has to do a proper rename

cuz my hack might break stuff.

Akixkisu

13:11

I don't understand why it isn't part of the pop-up when you ask your first question. Such an odd choice.

Someone_Evil

I think it is in a (dismissible) top bar when you first start, and some places when registering?

@ThomasMarkov Yeah, we have a tool for doing that. What were you planning to do?

Thomas Markov

I was just gonna create spellcasting-focus then synonym arcane-focus to it, but @Akixkisu was concerned that it might break some things.

Someone_Evil

You can't create a synonym to a tag that doesn't exist, and you need score in the tag to suggest it and it needs to become approved

Thomas Markov

@Someone_Evil so it wouldnt have even worked, nice.

So rename the tag, and I'll start a new dicussion this week about holy-symbol

Akixkisu

Or you could simply merge them ;)

And do the renaming.

The only question where it would make some sort of tangible difference is rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/56414/… where we would add religions-and-deities

Someone_Evil

13:20

Renaming is technically using the merge tool to merge it into a new tag

Akixkisu

I meant holy-symbol and spellcasting-focus.

But I fear we will have to do another meta about it.

The pre-meeting meeting.

Someone_Evil

I actually think holy symbol is a way less clear-cut case, so needs its own discussion

KorvinStarmast

@Someone_Evil thank you, agree.

Akixkisu

There would be if we would use it differently.

But we don't.

G. Moylan

they're separate game objects, though. You can use a holy symbol as a spellcasting focus but that doesn't mean it automatically is one

Someone_Evil

13:26

Just looking at the newest holy-symbols questions, we have a bunch that are very much about the symbols themselves, which seem to make the case that it's its own topic

Thomas Markov

@Someone_Evil might need to be a retagging project instead.

Akixkisu

I guess it is the kind of argument that we should preemptively make sure that a tag might accommodate future use. I don't think I have seen it successful in the last ten meta discussions about tags. I think, Trish in particula,r got a ton of downvotes on that argument every time.

KorvinStarmast

@G.Moylan you also use it for turn undead CD, for example

Thomas Markov

Cuz questions asking about holy symbols in the context of using them as a spellcasting focus obviously need the spellcasting focus tag.

Someone_Evil

There's an argument somewhere that focuses should fall under equipment / spell-components, but I don't quite like that result

KorvinStarmast

13:27

@Akixkisu here's an idea: do not merge

@ThomasMarkov not obvious to me

Thomas Markov

@KorvinStarmast why not?

Someone_Evil

@ThomasMarkov I would agree with "probably both"

Thomas Markov

@Someone_Evil I would probably agree with probably both, but now I'm compounding probablies, so do with that what you will.

Akixkisu

I don't think that tag does anything that isn't covered by divine and religions-and-deities pr lore, and having it as a synonym that redirects to the thing that people ask questions about seems useful.

Someone_Evil

Eh, it's enough of its own thing being interacted with by players and I don't really see it causing any problems

Thomas Markov

13:33

My idea is that holy-symbol, when the question is about its use as a focus, isnt doing any lifting that isn't already done by spellcasting-focus

Akixkisu

Yup.

G. Moylan

@ThomasMarkov so are you saying to use both or just spellcasting-focus?

Thomas Markov

@G.Moylan Both is probably fine, spellcasting-focus at a minimum.

I, being a renowned expert in spellcasting components and focuses, have expertise that is applicable to all forms of spellcasting focuses in D&D 5e, so pointing out questions where holy symbols are the attendant focus using the tag spellcasting-focus is important.

Someone_Evil

How many questions are we actually talking about here? Because we only have 13 questions tagged with holy-symbol, so it feels like we're talking about the tagging of one or two extant questions

Thomas Markov

@Someone_Evil I am just pontificating tbh. I dont know what the numbers look like here lol

Akixkisu

13:38

@Someone_Evil +4, but those are tagged under various spell component q's

Someone_Evil

From a quick look, if tag space is causing an issue, the class tags look to be a bit of a tax on a few of these questions

Which is fairly common, for class tags to be added when incidentally connected to a certain class.

Akixkisu

And then we have about 110 questions that use the phrase that we could look at manually.

no idea how the previous number got there ;)

(different search page)

Thomas Markov

So maybe we just add spellcasting-focus to holy symbol questions that should have it but dont and leave holy-symbol alone

Akixkisu

The holy-symbol tag doesn't seem useful concerning most of those qs.

Someone_Evil

That seems like a reasonable approach

Akixkisu

13:43

A lot of them are usually about implements.

Or already covered by divine/religions and deities.

Someone_Evil

@Akixkisu That's fairly common when searching for a tag term. That's why the tags are useful for finding questions that are actually about the thing

Akixkisu

Or covered by spell components.

Exactly.

I think the best case for keeping the tag are the about ~8 questions that are structured like this one rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/107045/…

Thomas Markov

@Akixkisu yeah that question needs some tags lol

Akixkisu

If you want you can add the holy-symbol tag, I bumped it with my edit.

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Thomas Markov

14:54

@Medix2 ayooooo

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Thomas Markov

17:40

Vote to close read the book to me question.

Someone_Evil

Uhm, isn't the general idea that that's a downvote reason, not a close reason?

AncientSwordRage

@Someone_Evil I thought so too

Thomas Markov

Needs details, as in, needs detail about why they are confused.

AncientSwordRage

@Someone_Evil it does seem to me that it could do with more clarity though

Someone_Evil

It currently answerable, just low effort

Thomas Markov

17:46

And we incentivize their consistently low effort questions by answering them, reinforcing that their unwavering lack of effort is perfectly acceptable.

The firearms one I understand, I'd be confused too if I were looking for rules that didnt exist.

Someone_Evil

Don't deal with the post based on the user

Thomas Markov

The user is a separate issue, I think we should downvote and close that question regardless of who asked it.

Trish

18:07

@Someone_Evil The actual close reason would be "What is unclear about the rule text here? Please elaborate, the question is unclear"

Thomas Markov

@Trish That's "needs details or clarity" but with more words lol

Trish

pretty much.

Someone_Evil

There is a difference between what is being asked, and why is it being asked

Thomas Markov

We need to know what the point of confusion is, because the answer should be obvious from reading the two features, unless there is some incorrect assumption being made, which explaining why one is confused would help elucidate.

G. Moylan

I've made the mistake of asking this kind of question before, but my confusion was from a misunderstanding of an aspect of the game rules. Since I included that information, stackers were able to point out where I had gone wrong

Thomas Markov

18:17

They've explained it, and a good answer needs way more than a basic survey of the text of the two features, imagine that.

Voted to reopen.

They aren't really asking a rules question at all.

The answer is still involves some form of "here's the rules", but a good answer would be more like "here's why the rules are the way that they are".

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KorvinStarmast

19:51

@ThomasMarkov it's a disappointing situation. 😕

@G.Moylan golf clap

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Akixkisu

22:20

rpg.stackexchange.com/q/190617/44723 the tag is called hearing, I probably thought a whole minute about different tags along the lines of sound.

I think we have to approach the subject "what language barriers do we no longer accommodate" due to the severe downvoting and closure of questions asked by Jhyarelle Silver. They ask honest questions on the internet in various forums, and almost all of them are usually poorly phrased and on-topic. Unfortunately, several veteran users seem to have developed a particular dislike of their questions.

Someone_Evil

22:37

I'm not sure folks have taken issue with the language barrier on any level. It's more that the questions don't include enough of their effort to show where in that language barrier (or that its the language barrier) something has gone awry and caused them problems

Akixkisu

22:48

They are usually basic questions that are on-topic.

And often they are unreasonably closed.

In most cases - not all, there is little ambiguity in the questions.

I think treating the user with downvotes is not changing the kind of questions that arise during their play/reading, but people are entitled to that privilege. However, closing basic on-topic questions in that scale is a problem.

And we should see what we can do in that regard.

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