TRPG General Chat

BESW

00:03

@Trish I think every game dev needs to be very conscious of not just the things we write, but the things we leave out. The empty spaces where the table is left alone, say just as much about the game we're making, if not more.

When I wrote Goblin Court there were kinds of gameplay and story that I felt would be bad for the game. I didn't just say "don't do bad things," I cordoned them off with mechanics that redirected the action to other options, and I tried to use language which did the same at a conceptual level.

AncientSwordRage

@bobble yuck

MikeQ

00:48

@NautArch Since when is it not allowed to mention the limitations of D&D? Chat folks have been doing that regularly for years now.

NautArch

@MikeQ Because there have been a lot of frequent and vocal complaints about the system repetitively from certain users and I'm putting a stop to it. We can absolutely talk about system issues. But if a user continues to bring up the same system and it's problems, then they are no longer participating in good faith and just using it as a bludgeon to say a system is bad.

There's having a discussion, and then there's bashing. When someone has a history of bashing, then it's time to ask them to stop. Which I am now doing.

Ben

01:19

[wave]

NautArch

[trough]

GcL

@Ben We were chatting about your earlier. The determination was that you were probably in Australia sleeping. Upside down of course.

Ben

@GcL Well I feel recognised :D

It's currently 11.30am

Thomas Markov

@BESW Have you ever seen a SawStop?

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov Is that the one where they showcase it with a hot dog and the saw stops right before it?

Ben

01:29

@ThomasMarkov The CamelCase on that made me think of it like a GameStop. Lol

@NautArch That's my belief

Thomas Markov

@NautArch yeah, here’s the video: youtu.be/SYLAi4jwXcs

Ben

@G.Moylan asking for someone's name is like saying "what sound do I make with my mouth to attract your attention?"

Thomas Markov

Absolute madness how cool a table saw can be.

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov I'm fairly certain I remember that coming out, but I have to check the year.

GcL

@ThomasMarkov Safety features on a piece of equipment that avoid catastrophic injury are nice when they're a bit of plastic that doesn't impede the professional use of the tool.

Thomas Markov

01:33

While we’re on the subject ALWAYS FOLLOW LOCK OUT TAG OUT PROCEDURES OR YOU WILL DIE

Ben

^ [nod nod]

My old man is an Electrician. So many stories.

GcL

On the other hand, some tools are amenable to safety features. Hammers come to mind. It's difficult to make a hammer that won't whack you in the hand if you're not careful.

Knives... the dangerous ones are the dull ones. Not a lot of safety features for a knife aside from a close or sheath that is amenable to single hand operation.

I don't see safety features impeding an RPG design though. Seems analogous to the bits of plastic or a guard that generally help most people avoid mishandling the tools, and they can be removed intentionally by people that don't like them or know what they're doing.

Ben

General Safety:
1. Wear your seatbelt
2. Hammers
3. Don't run with scissors

GcL

Don't hammer your seatbelt with scissors

MikeQ

In case of scissors, have an emergency rock readily available

BESW

01:39

Ben

Ensure proper disposal of rock with paper

NautArch

@MikeQ Once finished, wrap with paper.

KorvinStarmast

02:45

@MikeQ yeah, that.

A. B.

@GcL There are those things on cheese-graters, though,

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Can a Half-Orc's Relentless Endurance trait save it from its soul being stolen when it dies?

Half-Orcs have the Relentless Endurance racial trait: Relentless Endurance. When you are reduced to 0 hit points but not killed outright, you can drop to 1 hit point instead. You can't use this feature again until you finish a long rest. So what happens if a Half-Orc is directed by an effect th...

Ben

04:00

@A.B. avoid, if at all possible

bobble

However, do not avoid the cheese

cheese good cheese

Ben

Even the lactose intolerant do not avoid the cheese. That's how good it is

A. B.

04:38

@Ben Exactly. Those plastic things to hold the cheese with to keep your fingers out of the way. Do not use this, you will grate your knuckles and drop the cheese.

But cheese good cheese.

Hot RPG Questions

04:58

3

Q: Would allowing a character to gain bonuses for two shields be unbalanced?

Would allowing a character to gain bonuses for two shields be unbalanced? I have a character I've been working on who worships a god of protection. The idea is that he will use two shields, but the Player's Handbook states you can only gain a bonus from one. Obviously, the character will be sever...

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Bardic Wizard

05:11

Hiya, I’m bored. How’s things here?

BESW

[wave]

Doing timing tweaks on a slideshow.

Using game-icons.net icons in it, though, so that's on brand.

Bardic Wizard

@BESW fun!

Ben

Coming up with supportive rants based on the Chats with the Void mini comics

All while I should be working.

Bardic Wizard

I have no idea what I’m doing for tomorrow’s blog article (which I should be writing), I’m not studying for either of my last two finals tomorrow (I probably should be), and I’m not sleeping (I should be), so I’m playing online sudoku for no reason

Ben

For an extra level of adrenaline :P

Bardic Wizard

05:18

Everyone’s doing things!

Ben

@BardicWizard why not? Sometimes you just need a bit of active escapism. Sleep doesn't do the trick because you;re not really aware of it.

You can see where my heads at currently XD

Bardic Wizard

@Ben I’m just waiting for this week to be done, honestly. Also, I have two finals tomorrow and must sleep before hand

Also I didn’t sleep well last night (I had IDEAS) and sleep is important!

Ben

@BardicWizard Ideas! The bane of Sleep!

Aug 24 '15 at 23:26, by Ben

Agh! Life! The bane of fun!

New idea: campaign based on the Bane Aspects. Bane of Fun, Bane of Sleep, etc.

BESW

@Ben ...that could be the chassis for more ethical Great Ork Gods drift.

Ben

Ideas... the Bane of @BESW

XD

Bane... or Boon?

A. B.

06:14

Moon!

Adeptus

@BardicWizard Hi Bored, I'm Dad... (but not yours, obviously)

Mithical

07:19

@Ben the Ben of Banes

AncientSwordRage

08:27

@bobble have you tried cheese flavoured popcorn???

BESW

Sep 9 '19 at 0:55, by BESW

@BlackSpike Have you tried spiced popcorn? You can pop corn without oil pretty easily, then spray on just enough for spices to stick and sprinkle whatever flavors you want. I'm fond of garlic salt and curry powder.

Sep 9 '19 at 0:56, by BESW

Sometimes I heat up peanut butter and drizzle that on it.

AncientSwordRage

Well, well well, if it isn't BESW with helpful culinary ideas. Should've know it.

Akixkisu

08:41

@BESW I'm still looking for a spray bottle or way to dilute the oil to make a finer oil mist for coating. Any ideas?

I use a regular spray bottle with oil, but often it sprays unevenly.

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: What is the interaction between Gift of the Ever-living Ones and Dhampir Vampiric Bite ability

The Dhampir Trait (P17 of VRGTR) Says: Your fanged bite....add your Constitution modifier....deals 1d4 Piercing damage..... You regain hit points equal to the piercing damage dealt by the bite. The Eldritch Invocation Gift of the Ever-living Ones (P57 XGTE) Says: Whenever you regain hit point...

dnd-5e class-feature racial-traits

BESW

@Akixkisu We usually have a can of pressurized cooking spray for other things, and I just use that.

AncientSwordRage

I don't know about @Akixkisu but that's what we have at home

Akixkisu

@BESW yeah that would do it. I like using my own oils, especially for things like sesame or peanut so that isn't an option.

The issue that I run into is that the air pressure doesn't do the job well enough once the bottle isn't filled up to about the 1/8th mark, and even at optimal levels (about 1/2 to 3/5), the mist doesn't distribute as even as I'd like.

AncientSwordRage

Sounds like you need some seasoned advice...

Akixkisu

08:54

@AncientSwordRage that is a good idea.

BESW

09:09

I haven't been to Seasoned Advice in ages.

BESW

09:46

Woo Discord now lets Mac users stream computer audio.

AncientSwordRage

@BESW yay

BESW

This is gonna significantly simplify my prayer meetings; previously if there was gonna be music, I'd have to share a YouTube link in the text chat and have everybody listen to it on their own.

AncientSwordRage

that sounds less than ideal

BESW

It worked but yeah, it was clunky. Especially since some of my friends aren't super familiar with Discord so switching to text chat was confusing.

A. B.

10:11

Worked but clunky, yes, that sounds like the Internet.

AncientSwordRage

@BESW I've only ever used discord for text

ok, so I talked over it once or twice but the echo was awul on my phone

BESW

Yeah, you can tell its roots as a gamer VoiP service, designed assuming that everybody's got headphones.

AncientSwordRage

10:28

Ahh that sounds familiar

I started using Discord to co-ordinate Pokemon Go raids, but no one local seems to use them

Then I noticed a bunch of YouTubers using it to facilitate discussion on their videos

BESW

Yeah, because it was designed to host large numbers of people in often competing groups, it's got a really robust system for server structures and permissions.

But because it was designed for hardcore gamers, it's got a pretty intense learning curve compared to something like Zoom or Hangouts.

AncientSwordRage

yup

BESW

Still, one of the reasons I'm doing a prayer meeting on it, is because at least one of my friends was getting a bit twitchy about Zoom and switching to a totally different platform helped reset expectations.

Mithical

I've been using it for years now - including moderating several servers - and I still haven't figured out how to use all of Discord's features.

BESW

@Mithical Same. I bribe a friend with cute dog videos whenever I need to do anything at all nuanced with server structures.

AncientSwordRage

10:49

they sound like excellent bribes

BESW

They're among the bribiest.

And they're bespoke dog videos, fresh from my friend who sends me pictures and videos of her dog weekly, if not more often. I'm the pupper's ~~godfather~~ dogfather.

AncientSwordRage

I'll have to start using my cat photos/videos the same way

although I much prefer just putting them into memes

AncientSwordRage

11:16

@Akixkisu @ThomasMarkov @enkryptor (@molot, but your not in chat), the Satyr post has been edited

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Q: Which satyr is better - satyr of Thylea or satyr of Theros?

I plan to make a frontline-based bard - high AC, mostly melee attacks with a bit of magic (war caster feat), who also has nice social skills. Which of Satyr's racial traits synergize better with this kind of playstyle? Sources: "Odyssey of the Dragonlords" & "Mythical Odyssey to Theros".

dnd-5e optimization racial-traits theros

I don't think it's clear enough still....

KorvinStarmast

12:08

@AncientSwordRage I asked them to specify which bard college. That will inform the optimization approach

Thomas Markov

@KorvinStarmast I suspect swords.

KorvinStarmast

@ThomasMarkov he edited in valor

Thomas Markov

Looks like the racial traits are freely available at the odyssey of the dragon lords site

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov specifically here ?

Thomas Markov

I found this: odysseyofthedragonlords.obsidianportal.com/wikis/main-page

AncientSwordRage

12:22

gotcha

Thomas Markov

The terms of service allege that all licensing requirements have been observed

The guide is free, so can we just put the thylea satyr's racial traits into the question?

seems fine to me

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov I was thinking the same thing

Someone_Evil

A question doesn't need to provide answerers with the needed material. Even linking it isn't necessary (though an easy way to unambiguously refer to the material)

AncientSwordRage

@Someone_Evil it would still be handy

Thomas Markov

I added the relevant traits directly from the free pdf

AncientSwordRage

12:33

@ThomasMarkov I linked the wiki

Thomas Markov

@AncientSwordRage haha that wiki I shared with you was wrong

I downloaded the pdf to check.

AncientSwordRage

@ThomasMarkov :o

I was going to keep the link but asterisk it to say "This version does not match the pdf"

Medix2

@Someone_Evil I'm now laughing at "I'm using homebrew material, does the book I'm using contain rules for X?" without actually providing the book

AncientSwordRage

because they may end up using the wiki not the PDF? Not sure

Thomas Markov

@AncientSwordRage they linked the pdf page

AncientSwordRage

12:38

ah ok

RevanantBacon

12:50

@ThomasMarkov I just read the first two paragraphs of that blog post and I'm already rolling my eyes. The place has already been described as both "unspoiled by civilization since the dawn of time" and also describing it as having "sprawling ruins". Like, how are there ruins if there were no civilizations to build them?

Trish

@RevanantBacon logic fallacity? Maybe they defined civilization as non-human?

RevanantBacon

@Trish That's OK, I have the perfect solution to this problem.

Medix2

Here There Be Dragons

Akixkisu

@AncientSwordRage The issue is here not that we don't know the source material. The stats and idea outline are a beginning, but it is still unclear what level range the campaign will be and what setting they will play.

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri that conversation needs to be taken to a suitable venue, I think

@Akixkisu Ooh, I didn't ask about campaign length in comments, and I should have. Good point.

Medix2

13:05

I think somebody else did. Most of those comments can probably be cleaned up

kviiri

→ 1 message moved to Here There Be Dragons

Ugh. Multi-move why you no work

→ 1 message moved to Here There Be Dragons

@KorvinStarmast moved to HBD as a band-aid, but I feel somewhat uncomfortable doing more at this time with mods having been invoked and all.

AncientSwordRage

@kviiri it's fine

The Oracle

13:23

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Q: What's next for the issues raised in the community check in?

As I am writing this, it has been 45 days since the 2021 Community Check-in. Many of the answers identify observed site trends, with scores indicating community agreement with those observations. So what do we do now? I think many of the observations made warrant further exploration, but I'm not ...

discussion

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri well played

kviiri

I still need to work today so I'll try to keep my own stance brief: personally, I don't want to "gag" criticism of any game system here, but this isn't supposed to be a hate club with Acceptable Targets you should just smash at very mention. (pardon the injection of humor, but deadEarth might be the exception)

So before we have a more thorough agreement on what is fine and what is not, should we find ourselves needing one that is: please keep your criticism relevant to the discussion at hand, and be excellent to each other.

I trust you to be lovely people, please don't fail me now.

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KorvinStarmast

@Trish Trish, a constant stream of negativity harshes the groove of this chat room.

AncientSwordRage

@KorvinStarmast no not that game

KorvinStarmast

@AncientSwordRage Sorry, I'll step aside, I don't want to create a groove harshing comment stream

@kviiri Plus Eleventy Five

AncientSwordRage

13:35

@KorvinStarmast thanks

Thomas Markov

Thanks.

kviiri

And as a final note of convenience: Anyone can ask for a discussion to be moved to HBD if the discussion is uncomfortable in any way, or simply taking too much space. Room owners (italic names) and mods (blue names with diamonds) will be happy to move the messages.

AncientSwordRage

@kviiri I'm happy to drop it

KorvinStarmast

@Trish we have an accord.

AncientSwordRage

Has anyone played Magical Kitties?

Trish

13:39

Do you play kitens in it? I might need to grab a copy...

AncientSwordRage

Magical Kitties Save the Day by Atlas Games, You are magical kitties. You have humans. The humans have problems. Use your magical powers to solve their problems and save the day!

Xander Henderson

@AncientSwordRage That looks interesting.

AncientSwordRage

@XanderHenderson it is!

Xander Henderson

In the sense that I have been looking for something to introduce TRPGs to my daughter with.

My plan was run some Mouse Guard over the summer.

AncientSwordRage

@XanderHenderson Mouse Guard is AWESOME

it's a personal favourite :D

Xander Henderson

13:41

@AncientSwordRage Good to know. I've been reading through the rules and trying to figure it out.

Though I am planning to skipping most of the setting, the system looks pretty good for a 9 year old.

AncientSwordRage

@XanderHenderson I like how the rules book talks it through in a way that feels appropriate to read to people of that age

Trish

@AncientSwordRage mechanically seems like a throwback to SR3: number of d6 and you count any die above a given number.

Xander Henderson

Indeed. It is a nicely written volume. I like that you determine how much equipment you can carry by drawing it on your character sheet.

Trish

@XanderHenderson that'd be A LOT XD

@AncientSwordRage Rats is nice too

AncientSwordRage

@Trish I'm not familiar with that

Trish

13:45

@RevanantBacon to pull up on the little discussion of last night: the continent of Aventuria in TDE is meant to have little to no magic used in military by design.

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Q: RPG with Rats as PCs?

I am tryting to remember what the name of that (German?) RPG was where you play a rat in some sort of decrepit house or mall or something. One of the worst enemies would be Cats. (It was definitely rats, and not mice.) I remember that it used a rather simple mechanic of just d6, some keywords on ...

product-identification

oh, wait, it's Packs! in english...

AncientSwordRage

@Trish oh Ratten? I've already upvoted the post so I must have seen it...

Fair enough. But can we agree that there should be both a Muppets RPG and a Pixar RPG? — Hey I Can Chan Jun 25 '20 at 13:03

yes, yes we can

Trish

@AncientSwordRage yep, it is super cute how you are described "There's a huge box of metal in front of it and there are white bulges on it that start to glow red and green when you press on the round thingies."

@AncientSwordRage can we agree that a muppet RPG might contain some NSFW jobes by old puppets? And can we include Sesame Street?

Mithical

*Statler and Waldorf cackling*

AncientSwordRage

@Trish yes and yes

@Trish how I'm described?

Trish

Prepares shipping crates for shipping...

@AncientSwordRage eh, how you are described encounters - that tidbit is a fusebox. But the DM is actually banned from (ok, more: encouraged not to) using human names for some items to make it more Rat-focus.

AncientSwordRage

13:51

@Trish oh I get you. How encounters are described!

kviiri

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Trish

@AncientSwordRage yep. Like... "You stand in a thing of metal bars. Many of them. They criss cross. The ones going away from you all are over those that go left to right. Then, those bars also bend down at the edge of the tilted plateau, more bars offering easy climbing to the plateau going all around. And then there is that strange thing like the horns of an ant going up on either of the high ends of the plateau." What might that be?

Thomas Markov

Im not usually one to worry about downvotes, but sometimes they confuse me. Why would someone downvote my meta post?

AncientSwordRage

@Trish cage? shopping basket?

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov Change is bad, mmmk?

Trish

13:57

@AncientSwordRage shopping cart actually.

AncientSwordRage

@Trish I was close!

it sounds better for running a Rats of NIMH game than mouseguard

Thomas Markov

Has anyone ever played CRASH PANDAS?

NautArch

@ThomasMarkov Nope, but I think i have a trash panda hound.

Trish

@ThomasMarkov No, but are the pc's real pandas, red pandas or trash pandas? Because only the last two are cute :3

Thomas Markov

@Trish It's about a group of raccoons driving a car in an illegal street race.

AncientSwordRage

14:01

@ThomasMarkov AMAZING

Trish

@ThomasMarkov so a group of trash pandas trying to be red pandas!

AncientSwordRage

has anyone seen the choose your own adventure style racoon twitter thread

KorvinStarmast

@ThomasMarkov Brilliant game concept

Trish

@ThomasMarkov patreon.com/posts/crash-pandas-20172582

Thomas Markov

So each turn, each raccoon makes a decision about what theyre going to do with the car, such as turn/accel/brake, except youre not allowed to tell anyone your move, and then the GM resolves everyones moves for the car.

AncientSwordRage

14:03

You are a hungry raccoon. The start of Joe Sondow's twitter thread

Mithical

@AncientSwordRage ye

G. Moylan

@ThomasMarkov Critical Role did a one-shot of it if you're looking for some actual play

Thomas Markov

@G.Moylan Yeah, that's how I first heard about it

AncientSwordRage

@Mithical I'm reading from the start

Trish

While I love MAID for how quirky it is, I neer managed to get a group to try to play it seriously and not go go cringy.

Medix2

14:08

I enjoyed the one time I played MAID. Though I wouldn't say we took the game too seriously

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Is there a spell that encrypts or protects documents and tomes?

I am looking for a spell that allows a character to enchant an existing document or tome so that it cannot be read until dispelled. The closest thing I can find is Illusory Script, but this requires the text to be written by the caster and also only lasts for 10 days. What I'm looking for seems s...

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G. Moylan

@AncientSwordRage I was originally upset when we got to the Italian part but it resolved well enough

Thomas Markov

forreal though, if any of you downvoted my meta question, Id appreciate some feedback

Trish

@Medix2 my players all went cringy and tried to seduce one another... @.@

Thomas Markov

@Trish we have a question about that somewhere

Medix2

14:22

@Trish Yeah, we went into it declaring we wouldn't do that. Turned into a lot of laughing and fun for all

Thomas Markov

128

Q: How to stop players from making the game X-rated

After 30 years, a few of my friends and I finally managed to get together and play D&D. We've managed to play 2hrs once a week for the last 6 weeks. I unfortunately ended up being the DM. My problem is that the players, in spite of being given an obvious quest and hooks into multiple possible ...

gm-techniques dungeons-and-dragons sexuality

TW: sexual themes discussed

Trish

@ThomasMarkov doesn't hit the point at all, becasue MAID actually is meant to have some of that in, but not all the time

Medix2

I think it's actually quite helpful... but eh

Since the problem there is the explicitness and detailedness of it, not its existence

TheDragonOfFlame

@ThomasMarkov I have

Trish

@ThomasMarkov I tried to make the difference clear in the question I just threw.

Thomas Markov

14:33

@Trish Good title.

Trish

apparently, Maids are like cats... catgirls? ;)

G. Moylan

UwU

@Trish Perhaps I'm missing something with your MAID Q, but how is the issue specific to MAID and not just "my players would rather play silly sexy-time rpg than the actual purpose of the game, what do?"

Trish

@G.Moylan You might want to look at the MAID Rpg book... then you see how that book might put the expectations of the players into that corner.

Cat of doom2

yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thomas Markov

@G.Moylan Based on the genre of the game, it seems likely that passersby could infer "silly sexy time" as the inherent purpose of such a game.

Trish

14:40

@G.Moylan which actually is a problem of lost in translation - the connotations of the Japanese text were lost and became somewhat creepy silly sexy time.

AncientSwordRage

@Catofdoom2 hello Cat, remember our words yesterday about chat messages

G. Moylan

Wouldn't that be solved by a conversation before actually playing to discuss intent?

TheDragonOfFlame

@Catofdoom2 hello

Glazius

@Trish Someone else noticed that and redirected the chaos - the game is called "Retail Magic" (drivethrurpg.com/product/140692/…) and it's about a magic item shop that works in a manner suitable for a children's fantasy cartoon: everything is exploding all the time and you'll probably turn into a newt and get better.

NautArch

@Trish Is the japanese version different from the English? I'm not seeing something where sex has to be a part of the game.

And honestly, a trope of sexy maid harem that has a master they must obey and serve is a bit concerning from someone not familiar.

Thomas Markov

14:41

@Glazius This reminds me, I need to work on adapting Candlekeep Mysteries into a Sofia the First campaign for my daughters.

Cat of doom2

@AncientSwordRage all i did is say good morning

Trish

@NautArch yes and no: a lot of connotations are lost in translation and made creepy sounding in English

AncientSwordRage

@Catofdoom2 oh, there's nothign wrong with a hearty YOOOOO

I just remember that enthusiasm spilled over yesterday, into other messages :D

Trish

It's even acknowledged in the "nun Approved Files"
> So, the author basically wrote this game as a huge dose of ironic humor at this whole Maid phenomenon. As such, he used a lot of references, gags and dialogue text that can be best described as “sexy funny”. Problem is, when we did a straight-up translation into English, some parts came out as “creepy sexy”.

Thomas Markov

@NautArch This was my observation. Based on my brief perusal of the wiki page for the "harem anime" genre, it seems rather reasonable that an uninitiated reader would think silly sexy dating sim was the point.

Cat of doom2

14:43

@AncientSwordRage enthusiasm is a good thing, isn't it?

NautArch

I mean, this page simply says "optional rules for inter-character romance and secuction.. Which suggests...don't give them the option?

@ThomasMarkov But that would be uninitiated players, not random readers passing by.

AncientSwordRage

@Catofdoom2 yes

NautArch

but again, I haven't read the full rules.

But if the summary says sexytimes are optional...then don't give them the option.

Cat of doom2

@NautArch not reading the rules doesn't make it okay to break them

Thomas Markov

@Catofdoom2 it doesnt make it not un-okay to loosely observe them and interpret them obscurely either

NautArch

14:46

@ThomasMarkov wut?

Cat of doom2

@ThomasMarkov i'm so confused on what you're saying. that's a double negtive

@NautArch exactly

Thomas Markov

@Catofdoom2 I rest my case.

Cat of doom2

@ThomasMarkov what case!?

@ThomasMarkov that's a double negative

Thomas Markov

@Catofdoom2 Phoenix Wright: OBJECTION! Asked and answered.

kviiri

Please don't confuse others wantonly!

I'm confused too

:D

Cat of doom2

14:49

i'm so confused!

G. Moylan

@kviiri Wontons!?

Feeds

Needles & Nilbogs: A fidget bracelet (AKA I don’t know what to write again)

posted on May 20, 2021 by Bardic Wizard

Today, I thought I’d talk about fidgeting, and about what I’ve been doing to help myself fidget less obviously and focus more. But first, some updates: the Birthday Dice Bag is not on Ravelry yet, because Ravelry doesn’t think Bardic Wizard is a designer name, despite the Papagena Shawl going up just fine. Also, the Ensign of the Week redesign continues to be postponed until I have a playtest g…

kviiri

As a friend of mine likes to say: "Children must be confused, so they don't get burned."

(I assure you this is much less confusing in Finnish)

NautArch

something something pickled fish?

Cat of doom2

WRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Thomas Markov

14:52

@kviiri So basically, slapping their hands when they try to touch the stove, and they get confused about why they got slapped

AncientSwordRage

@Feeds @BardicWizard so you did get something written!

kviiri

@ThomasMarkov More simply, it's because the same verb means both to "stir" and to "confuse" or "perplex"

Still, instilling confusion in controlled doses can be very good for anyone

Thomas Markov

@kviiri Oh my. Are you a witch boiling children? "They must be stirred or they will burn"

Cat of doom2

anyone want some apple sauce?!?

kviiri

I would

Cat of doom2

14:55

i got 8 right here

NautArch

@Catofdoom2 home made or motts?

Cat of doom2

@NautArch haven't had homemade apple sauce in a long time

@NautArch so, it's some of that Musselman's unsweetened apple sauce

AncientSwordRage

@NautArch I've never had home made

NautArch

@Catofdoom2 nothanks.Motts FTW.

@AncientSwordRage I live in an area with lots of apples ;)

And I just planted 3 apple trees.

Cat of doom2

@NautArch gimme!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Thomas Markov

14:59

@Catofdoom2 I dont think Naut has 11 to give.

NautArch

@Catofdoom2 They're pretty small still. Just about 4-5'. Not sure we'll get apples this year.

AncientSwordRage

@NautArch I don't think there's a lack of apples in the UK

I've had Colmans before

NautArch

Just that my region has a lot of apple orchards, too.

Cat of doom2

gimme apples!!

TheDragonOfFlame

Hey is BW back? I thought they left.

NautArch

15:04

@TheDragonOfFlame I think they're on at other times mostly, and not for super long.

GcL

@NautArch Family farm has an orchard, but I still buy those cosmic crisps

NautArch

@GcL We're very much a honeycrisp/pink lady family. And that's what I"m trying to grow now :)

Trish

@NautArch Apples? Jonagold all the way.

G. Moylan

I've taken to Caracara, Blood, and Sumo oranges lately.

But I can't compare apples to oranges

RevanantBacon

@Catofdoom2 Pro tip: it takes an average of 6 years before apple trees start actually producing apples. As an old saying goes "The best time to plant a tree is 20 yeas ago. The second best time is right now"

kviiri

15:14

@RevanantBacon Hah, I like that

RevanantBacon

@kviiri The "when to plant a tree" bit? Yeah, I don't even remember where I heard it, but it's definitely true. Trees take FOREVER to grow :p

kviiri

Is it just a local thing or are apple trees spliced as almost-a-rule in the States as well?

No wait, no, not spliced, what's the word...

Grafted

Grafting is honestly one of those magical things I almost couldn't believe when they told me about it in school.

NautArch

Grafting is why the non-GMO crowd needs to get a better understanding of genetic modification.

kviiri

My ex's aunt once grafted a tomato stalk to a potato rootstock, that's a nice trick

RevanantBacon

@NautArch Grafting is one of the reasons why the non-gmo crown needs a better understanding of genetic modification.

There's also stuff like selective breeding, which, for some reason, is also slapped under the GMO label

kviiri

15:21

It is? I thought that was just normal breeding.

Like, the type we've been doing since time immemorial, as a species.

RevanantBacon

@kviiri Yes, that's the kind I'm talking about

the non-GMO people aren't the brightest bunch

kviiri

Huh. I honestly haven't heard anyone conflate the two in opposition to GMO (in support, yes, to highlight species haven't exactly been immutable before either)

But we hail from different places, different cultures, different discussions

AncientSwordRage

@TheDragonOfFlame Early in the UTC day I think but only for like 15 minutes a day?

RevanantBacon

And I don't just mean selective animal breeding, but also selecting the seeds from the largest/hardiest/best tasting/most pleasing to the eye fruits and vegetables as the seeds for the next generation

Which somehow also counts as genetic modification

kviiri

There are of course good reasons to oppose selective breeding too, at least in it excesses

AncientSwordRage

15:24

@NautArch I've never gotten on with Pink Lady, but that may be just a supermarket thing

NautArch

@AncientSwordRage Crispy deliciousness

AncientSwordRage

too sweet for me, I like tart apples mainly

KorvinStarmast

speaking of trees, our lemon trees never produced ... until last year. Then we had lemons overflowing. And then the Feb freeze came. We now have zero lemon trees, not two.

RevanantBacon

@kviiri Well, you really just have to avoid excess inbreeding, although other animals are far more tolerant than humans are.

AncientSwordRage

@KorvinStarmast ouch

KorvinStarmast

15:26

For some reason, I understand that excessive inbreeding has made Dalmations into more difficult breed to deal with ... sorry, remembering a long ago conversation, not sure if it's even right

TheDragonOfFlame

@KorvinStarmast Immediately thought of dogs, then realised you mean apples

RevanantBacon

@KorvinStarmast No, that's probably right. If I recall correctly, they were actually selectively bred for aggressiveness to guard the firewagons

KorvinStarmast

@TheDragonOfFlame I mean dogs as regards dalmations. My favorite 'Dalmation' ever was the lady who was our tour guide in Croatia (along the Dalmation coast) - after the tour she said 'yes' to my invitation to dinner and we had a wonderful date. Sadly, ship pulled out the next day ... so it goes

RevanantBacon

It's also the reason that pugs look the way they do now

TheDragonOfFlame

@KorvinStarmast oh I thought dalmation was a type of apple too or somthing IDK

kviiri

15:29

@RevanantBacon Yeah, I'm mainly concerned on the animal welfare side on the implications of dog phenotypes with poor implications on the animal's welfare (eg. being physically unable to breathe properly) and on the plant side, I can see the point for example in cases where most of the crop of a given plant is so closely related it becomes very vulnerable to illness or a particular pest and cannot adapt anymore

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri for a severe cast of this, look up citrus disease; a major issue in Texas, Florida, California, and IIRC Arizona.

RevanantBacon

@kviiri Oh, yes, that definitely has to be watched out for.

NautArch

@kviiri A couple more weeks until we get our genetic testing back on the dogs. I like the idea of contributing to that database (I do not like the idea of me sharing my own genetic code.)

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch clone wars: don't let it happen in your life time! 😲

kviiri

@NautArch Funny coincidence, my furry roomie's genetic testing just came back. Both parents are "supermixes", with dobermann being the "dominant" breed with 13% match.

NautArch

15:33

@kviiri I'm fulling expecting supermix.

WHich service did they use? I'm guessing FInland probably has their own, though...

kviiri

Scare quotes because if the most prominent breed in her ancestry only claims 13%... she's very mixed I'd say. As a layman who doesn't know particularly much about dog breed genetics.

NautArch

Still leaning on black and tan hound primarily.

kviiri

@NautArch Hum, I could ask, I think the dog's owner is asleep but I'll try

AncientSwordRage

@kviiri it's possible that it's just 13% that is unique to doberman

kviiri

I'm in the luxurious state where I get to pet the pooch without having to take any responsibility

NautArch

15:35

@kviiri Does she look like a dobie?

kviiri

@NautArch Not really. You might've actually seen a picture of her

Cat of doom2

@RevanantBacon i know they take years, i've had my own for about 4 years and it hasn't had 1 blossomn yet.

AncientSwordRage

@Catofdoom2 did you reply to the right message?

Cat of doom2

@AncientSwordRage nope. i misclicked the name

AncientSwordRage

few, now I know you're not planting dogs and growing them like trees

Cat of doom2

15:47

sorry about that

RevanantBacon

@Catofdoom2 Yup, that sounds about right.

Cat of doom2

@AncientSwordRage how did you know!!??!

@AncientSwordRage wait, um, yeah i don't do that

AncientSwordRage

@Catofdoom2 no problem :D

Cat of doom2

@RevanantBacon we had a really bad hailstorm beat up the tree so it might be a but slower growing still

RevanantBacon

@Catofdoom2 Did it break off many branches?

Cat of doom2

15:50

i wish the video game site had a room like this. just people with common interests talking about whatever

@RevanantBacon about 34% of branches were broken I'd say but almost no leaves were left

MikeQ

Does Arqade not have a chat room?

AncientSwordRage

@MikeQ yes, but it has a different culture than this one

RevanantBacon

@Catofdoom2 Oh, that's pretty bad. I'm surprised the tree survived something like that

@AncientSwordRage penecillin?

G. Moylan

@RevanantBacon amoxicillin, I think

Cat of doom2

@MikeQ they do but its not a general chat you don't get to talk in it it's only those question notifications most of the time

AncientSwordRage

15:53

@G.Moylan Paracetamoxyfrusebendroneomycin

Cat of doom2

@RevanantBacon the dogs helped save the tree from a few hits

and now the tree has some good all-natural fertilizer.

G. Moylan

@AncientSwordRage Gesundheit

Cat of doom2

nice, nobody is brave enough to respond to me!

lol

AncientSwordRage

@Catofdoom2 sorry I'm multitasking multiple chats and work on a deadline, so I can't respond to everything promptly

Cat of doom2

lol

@AncientSwordRage it's perfectly fine

RevanantBacon

15:57

@Catofdoom2 I'm curious on what the dogs did to protect an apple tree from a hailstorm

AncientSwordRage

@RevanantBacon played fetch with the hailstones?

G. Moylan

Chased the clouds down the street?

RevanantBacon

@AncientSwordRage I'm just imagining the dogs leaping around snatching hailstones out of the air anime-protagonist style.

MikeQ

They gave the trees a stronger bark

Cat of doom2

@RevanantBacon you know that noise a dog makes when it's hurt or if you step on its tail? the one that will break your hurt whenever you hear it?

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