hahaha, just 1 level.

but the hp is larger and most classes have access to more power.

@Ludoss the main difference is that you're usually not one regular hit away from death saving throws (or one crit away from instant death)

some classes get subclass at level 1, others at 2, and the rest at 3

with subclass do you mean the architype?

Yes, warlock patron, cleric domains, sorcerer origins, etc.

I think, the others get their subclass with lvl 3 (pala, ranger, rogue)

Druid gets at 2nd

In my group.

Is getting a subclass a big change?

Ah, what "the others" was ambiguous

sry

is getting a subclass a big change for a pc?

The first three levels give a lot of features anyways, the subclasses adds a lot of flavour and speciallisation to a character, but not always much in terms of power, not changing the playstyle

@Ludoss No worries, I was just pointing out why we answered like we did

The subclasses that are granted at 1st level give more room to change the nature of the class (src some episode of mike mearls happy hour), but it's important anyway

What if the biggest change was the friends we made along the way?

I heard, that DnD5 is balanced to lvl 5 but after that it become inbalanced.

One can hear many strange things. Few of them are true in isolation

I've never thought about it only being "balanced" to a certain level, and I'm not even sure what that would mean.

And furthermore, I don't know why it' would include 5, but not 6.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I thought the most playtesting was for level 1-5.

@Ludoss I use repelling blast. I like pushing things around the battlefield. I also use armor of shadows, because we use variant encumbrance rule.

That might be true, but only because that's the levels that gets the most play anyway

@Ludoss It has no balance problems in Tier 2 that I have seen. (5-10)

Ah okay, good.

yea, there's a fun infographic about the distribution of dnd beyond characters

I mean, you'd expect that the distribution would skew to lower levels, on the presumption that most campaigns will start at a lower level and may or may not last long enough to see higher level play

@Carcer That's because most of those pc's died before level 5, MUAHAHAHAHAHA! Whoops, wait, wrong edition ... I'll get my coat

I think DnD5 pc are quiet robust, even in lvl 1 we finished 3 zombies , rest, 4 skeletons, rest, 1 ghoul.

Man, those firbolg druids.

ah, interesting, a human warlock is -0.1

Kinda interesting that least common race/class combinations at -0.8 are all Barbarians.

Because barbs are highly corrolated with Half-orc and goliath

But Barbarians also have the second and third most common combinations at 2.8 and 3.5.

This makes me want to play a Tabaxi Paladin, really bad.

where is the goliath from?

@Ludoss Some northern place.

@Ludoss Volo's

@Ludoss And from Elemental Evil Players Guide, free download from WoTC

(But I have volos..)

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who pinged me, I accidentally hit esc

moi

how and when?

Multiline messages mess up a lot of things

@goodguy5 a few minutes ago

@Someone_Evil It was just too far up for me to see.

@goodguy5 That actually sounds really fun

@Someone_Evil Oath of napping

@goodguy5 if the campaign starts at level 1, I have only been in one that went past 10. DM burnout and RL scheduling is the common theme. So [even if D&D beyond was guessing](Most D&D Campaigns Stop By Level Ten, According to D&D Beyond), they guessed correctly

I have had some really fun high level play in one shots, though.

The only post-tier2 5e character I can recall playing was a 1 shot

I'm currently in a 5e campaign at L11, but I joined that campaign at L9. (I'm not sure what level they started it from, it had been going a while by the time my partner and I joined.)

@goodguy5 man, that one shot we did with mike was fun, i wonder if we'll get a chance to do something like that again ...

So would a young chelonian half-human druid be a teenage mutant sometimes-tortle?

Has s.o. played the Savage Worlds ADEdition so far?

@goodguy5 well, that gestalt deal with 4/4 put them at about level 6?

lol oh yea

I had a druid barbarian, iirc

and was it fun?

Druid Barbarian is a nice combo; our Tier 3 group Included a Barbarian 10 / Druid 4. And a Gloom Stalker Ranger at 12. My Champion had just made 14. Cleric was 14 or 15. The great weapons master feat on the Barbarian was pretty cool when it went off.

"If you crit you get to attack again..." neat feature.

I'm trying to think of gestalting classes that would normally be in conflict. Like paladins and warlocks. Or paladins and wizards. Or paladins and barbarians. Or paladins and rogues. Or paladins and bards. Or paladins and other paladins.

@Ludoss hella fun

@Ash With the exception of warlocks, most classes are born rather naturally. What your parent did with your patron, however, is not my business.

Has someone played Pulp Cthulhu the two serpents?

So New (Chinese) Superman #1 was pretty interesting and there were some interesting concepts there.

I didn't much care for the whole "truth, justice, and democracy" freedom fighter thing since that feels like something everyone would try to put into something set in China.

But the bit about new China vs. old China was interesting and how new China has absorbed so much Western culture.

I'm interested to see whether this will be something that resonates more with Chinese-Americans than Chinese though.

@Yuuki chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=besw&user=52915&room=11

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I think you personally need to make the pact with a patron to become a warlock.

Yeah, they're being silly by riffing off of Ash's misreading of "gestalting classes" as "gestating classes."

Although also technically 4e's version of tieflings kinda counts as a lore version of the concept.

@Yuuki Palabard and Palalock both make sense on some level, depending on what you're after :) (Rogueadin also can work, too)

@Ludoss They often do get 1 or 2 features from the subclass. Some classes get their features/benefits mostly from their class, others may rely more on the subclass. Depends what you mean by "a big change".

Some can definitely emphasize a particular style of play over others, and some can enable a style of play that wouldn't be as effective without it (e.g. warlock picks Hexblade subclass at level 1 and is able to make attacks using Cha instead of Str/Dex; artificer picks Battle Smith subclass at level 3 and is able to make attacks using Int instead of Str/Dex).

@KorvinStarmast I assume you meant to include a link to an article in this message rather than what I assume is an article title

I was in one campaign that got to level 16-17 or so and another that got to around 13? and my streamed game is also high-level now - level 16, I think?

@Yuuki Thematically in conflict, I assume?

That and referencing the "natural enemies" bit from The Simpsons.

@BESW oh yeah,.... wasn't even thinking of that