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02:43
Do creatures retain their type after they die (i.e. when they are a corpse)? This is for a fairly absurd situation in which a party member (the cleric) has died and neither of the others can resurrect him, but one of them is a wizard that can cast Simulacrum. The idea is to cast Simulacrum to create a simulacrum of the cleric (with "half the creature's hit point maximum" - which seems independent of its current HP) and then have the simulacrum resurrect the cleric.
The intent definitely doesn't seem to be that such a thing would be possible, but I'm curious whether it would work by RAW
I think that depends on if the creature is a creature while dead. That question has definitely been asked.
Let me know if you find a link to such a question
I've seen some Crawford tweets that suggest it's not the case:
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/597077875049635840
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/752915549294891008
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/713479398599434241
but the wording of stuff like Revivify seems inconsistent with that: https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/revivify
"You touch a creature that has died within the last minute."
It would be really weird to say "You touch an object that has died within the last minute."
That should probably be errata'd to "You touch a corpse that has died within the last minute."
Agreed
or "You touch a corpse that was alive no more than a minute ago."
02:51
"Oh, man, I had a corpse in the trunk but it died. Darn!"
then there's stuff like Animate Dead, which doesn't specify either "creature" or "object", just "Choose a pile of bones or a corpse of a Medium or Small humanoid within range."
which suggests that maybe type is retained?
I tried to be friendly since he was a new user. Was I too harsh?
then Simulacrum says "You shape an illusory duplicate of one beast or humanoid"
"I ordered an order 50 buffalo wings and killed it." Revivify boneless wings
Weaponize slang against your DMs!
@DavidCoffron Your comment seems fine
02:53
@V2Blast Just checking. I hope I didn't make him feel like we all can't take a joke...
Type is probably retained, but you need to target a creature, don't you?
Targeting isn't listed as a separate line in the PHB, so the description is all we have to go off
Later in the Simulacrum description it says "It appears to be the same as the original, but it has half the creature's hit point maximum and is formed without any equipment. Otherwise, the illusion uses all the statistics of the creature it duplicates." - which suggests maybe the target should be a creature?
If the original wasn't a creature, why would your snowman be a creature?
"The duplicate is a creature, ..."
Hilariously, if I was feeling unreasonably cheeky, I'd let players do it and end up with an exact copy of a corpse that isn't alive.
After 12 hours, they've made a second corpse, but at least it's friendly.
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Q: Does True Polymorph on a Simulacrum treat it as an object or a creature?

user42458If someone casts true polymorph on a simulacrum in order to polymorph it into a creature, which part of the spell is used: "creature into creature" or "object into creature"?

Somewhat related question ^
I don't know how related it is. Once Simulacrum is cast, the problem is solved.
02:58
Yeah, just the only question that came up when looking for object-limits on Simulacrum
I just realized how ridiculous Simulacrum's casting requirements are.
You have to be touching the corpse for 12 hours straight.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@Axoren Not exactly, just at least once ever 6 seconds
> Certain spells (including spells cast as rituals) require more time to cast: minutes or even hours. When you cast a spell with a casting time longer than a single action or reaction, you must spend your action each turn casting the spell, and you must maintain your concentration while you do so.
It also says
> A spellcaster must have a hand free to access a spell's material components
So, a game of two-player Duck-Duck-Goose, but you don't say Goose for 12 hours?
So it is not clear if you have to actually touch it or just be able to access it
(whatever access means)
03:02
"Well, I guess I'll take a nap on this dead body for a few hours while the snowman forms from some nail clippings I took previously for no particular reason."
@Axoren Wait the material components for simulacrum dont require you to have sculpted the ice, just have enough ice
@DavidCoffron I assume that the 12 hours is not you actually building the snowman by hand.
But also, where are you going to find Ice/Snow at the ready in a medieval society in the middle of summer?
I want the interesting story of someone getting interrupted and the half-finished simulacrum becomes an NPC
We aren't all questing in Vikingland
shape water?
03:03
@DavidCoffron Can we call him Legman?
> You freeze the water, provided there are no creatures in it. The water unfreezes in 1 hour.
I was trying to just copy the text lol
I thought you couldn't use the results of spellcasting as material components
@Axoren No.
Just most things say they can't be used as material components
03:05
Neat idea.
And obviously anything with a cost is going to be up to your GM whether a manipulated item haas value
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A: Can the Minor Conjuration ability gained by Wizards of the School of Conjuration be used to summon rare, expensive, consumable spell components?

DuckTapeAlBy RAW: Yes. There is nothing in the description that says that you can't use the created object as a material component. The only qualifiers are related to size and mass, and that the created object be nonmagical. Since material components are not typically magical, you can create them with ...

Things like Ray of Frost can't be used because the water isn't a creature yet.
@Axoren RAW, yes... But umm....
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Q: Is there a rule for how to handle creative use of spells?

BlueMoon93During a fight in a semi-flooded room, one of my players wanted to use Shocking Grasp on the water: Lightning springs from your hand to deliver a shock to a creature you try to touch. Make a melee spell attack...On a hit, the target takes 1d8 lightning damage, and it can’t take reactions unti...

I obviously allow it.
But the RAW doesn't.
And we're talking about how ridiculous Simulacrum is RAW
@Axoren It's a remnant of previous editions just like the other ridiculous spells
Some of them just don't fit how most people play 5e today
03:07
Shape Water needs to be used every 1 hour, the caster needs to be playing Duck Duck Goose, and we're still not sure whether or not the body is fair game
yeah, really, the last part is the only thing I'm curious about
@Axoren AND shape water has to be cast by multiple casters so the water doesn't unfreeze at all (you have to overlap the durations)
@V2Blast Is this for a game you're a part of? Or curiosity?
Sounds stackable to me
"Can you cast simulacrum on a deceased creature?"
(adding the bit about how revifify still calls them creatures)
If you're the DM, I'd just allow it because it's interesting and inventive. If you're the player wanting to do it, I'd ask your DM for their take on it. If those don't apply to you, you don't need an answer soon, so Stack it.
But if you're the DM and you're feeling cheeky, then they've made a copy of a corpse >:)
03:13
There are perfectly good reasons to make a simulacrum of a corpse. Faking your non-resurrection, for example.
Or collecting a "just bring us the head" bounty in multiple jurisdictions :)
That must be some pretty valuable had to fetch for more than 1,500 gp
After the players realize they've been bamboozled by the corpse copy, let them argue it out a bit and then have them roll for Intelligence. Which one was the copy again?
and @Axoren, the one that's the copy is the naked one. "it has half the creature's hit point maximum and is formed without any equipment."
@MarkWells They were both naked. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
12 hours
@Axoren A game I'm part of
DM hasn't yet announced a decision
(another player proposed this :P)
If you feel like being Judas, just PM the DM with two words "Corpse. Copy." >:)
03:26
lol, no
Aww, no fun :P
I hope something interesting comes from the idea regardless
Like, the Cleric waking up to them self buck naked and wondering how much they drank the night before
And someone convincing the clone to say something cliche like "I'm you, from the Future."
 
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asked my weird question here: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/133135/…
 
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The new site theme is going take some getting used to
15:47
Tomorrow's a Strahd day \o/
I've disliked the campaign but we're about to get it finished, yayyy
I wonder if Strahd will let my character Omar hang around as an undead patsy after wiping the floor with us.
 
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17:28
> Fishy spell. You may spend a sorcery point to have whatever effect the spell would have manifest primarily as fish.
17:45
@doppelspooker Catnap becomes catfishnap, magic missle becomes magic mackerel, and we have prestilapiatation
@DavidCoffron all of those seem about right :D
Absorb Elements becomes Fishify Elements.
18:06
@doppelspooker Absorb Eelements
@MikeQ marvelous
Sharking grasp?
@MarkWells you know, i didn't expect that metamagic to actually make a serious improvement to any spell, but i think you've just proven me wrong
18:33
Whale of thorns. (inb4 whales are not fish)
@kviiri In an Aristotlean worldview they are. Totally counts.
 
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19:38
@doppelspooker How does that break the game?
I think Fish Damage is fairly balanced.
The various ray spells will also be interesting.
Manta of Frost
Lightning Eel Bolt.
Meatier Swam
19:58
@Axoren imagine how many questions we'd have if that metamagic was actually real. also does create food create just fish meat or one whole fish or multiple fish? what does create water do if i use this metamagic on it? what happens with a fireball? do i create burning fish or fish hands?
what happens with flesh to stone? do i make a stone fish or more fish? what about polymorphing?
@doppelspooker Fishball, you throw a bead of caviar towards a destination and it explodes in fish.
wonderful
Also, for burning hands? Both.
And it deals Fish damage
yes good point
Absorb Elements becomes Absorb Fish, which gives you Fish Resistance.
20:00
i take that back, this doesn't seem all that gamebreaking
i'm gonna become a fishmancer sometime
Fish are the natural extension of 5e.
you're right
Oh no...
Fishborn.
it's an ordinary big fish, but with legs coming out of the fish body
20:47
@doppelspooker You mean a manmer?
@nitsua60 yes. but different. they're fishborn.
aah.
i can understand the confusion but they're very different
Fishborn have the upper body of a fish and the lower body of a fish.
@doppelspooker You can polymorph into anything, as long as it's a fish
21:02
@ACuriousMind that sounds worth it
 
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22:51
Did anybody see that wall of force vs train discussion on reddit?
 
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@Joshua I did not, although it sounds like quite the trainwreck :P

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