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8:01 PM

@Rubiksmoose Besides defacing my usual handle, I'm also considering to invent something new, because it's not like I attribute much more meaning to it than it being a nice handle that is unoccupied nearly everywhere.

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose Can I get a 2nd set of eyes on the comment i just left?

Mike Q

@NautArch What about it?

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch Looks fine to me. I'm not sure if he was asking about asking homebrew here or just developing. But what you said is at least accurate.

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose Cool. Trying to be helpful but also push him in the direction of balance. Gave him an upvote just because it seems like they're learning and trying :)

doppelgreener

Specifically, please check How can I ask a good homebrew review question? section 2 -- iterate in new questions, not via updating the question. — doppelgreener ♦ 50 secs ago

I left this one as well

NautArch

8:08 PM

@doppelgreener Excellent

The only bit i got worried about is when they said they weren't concerned about balance

doppelgreener

if they were concerned about balance they wouldn't be playing d&d ZING

that's unfair i'm kidding

NautArch

@doppelgreener D is perfectly balanced with the other D

Rubiksmoose

hahahah

David Coffron

@doppelgreener There is a bit of truth to that (especially for earlier editions. 4e and 5e are much closer to balanced).

@NautArch I like that comment, but you may want to make it more clear next time that we still allow those questions. I.e. "FYI, [dandwiki is not a great resource](link). You're welcome to ask questions about the homebrew on that site, but be wary since the website is not vetted for balance and allows anyone to post their ideas." (or something like that)

Rubiksmoose

@DavidCoffron Hopefully I made it clear with my comment because I just noticed the same isue.

NautArch

8:23 PM

@DavidCoffron Good point. I tried to suggest that with the link to Meta, but I could be clearer.

I guess "we can assess balance when you're ready"

wasn't clear?

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch I think what happened was that OP took your first comment to mean that it was bad for them to ask a question about dandwiki. So then they asked if it was ok to ask about homebrew they made themselves.

That is my take now anyways.

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose Ah. I had read that as "dandwiki links bad, but can I post it as my own and it would be better?" WHich didn't make a lot of sense :)

Rubiksmoose

Yeah lol. Luckily between the 3-4 comments we should have all contingencies covered.

NautArch

That first comment was really just a warning on the resource and didn't mention anything about the question - but I could see how it could be interpreted as that.

Rubiksmoose

8:45 PM

It looks like this Eberron release is something kind of weird and confusing.

Lot of people asking about this for Eberron - not until the content is 100% sealed. Mechanics will run through UA and be updated in the PDF. Once those are done - and artificer added - we'll turn on POD. https://twitter.com/MasterTheGameRP/status/1021479956684189696

Tweeted by mikemearls on July 23, 2018 at 8:31 PM

This is 100% official content for Eberron. Since it is an ebook, that also means we can update content with comments based on UA playtests of the races and the artificer. If we do an Eberron print product, we will design it to complement as much as possible what the PDF presents. https://twitter.com/Tw1zt84/status/1021495380226334720

Tweeted by mikemearls on July 23, 2018 at 8:42 PM

Some things, like the artificer, races, and basic world info, will be picked up for a print book, but we want fans to be happy owning both.

Tweeted by mikemearls on July 23, 2018 at 8:43 PM in reply to mikemearls

David Coffron

@NautArch I'm tired of answering balance questions on obviouslt overpowered and system-non-conforming homebrews (im thinking of a select few races).They have increased in frequency recently.

NautArch

@DavidCoffron Yeah, i've noticed that as well :(

David Coffron

@Rubiksmoose so it's an official document that may be updated? I like that for video games but for tbt games it just seems lazy

Constant balance updates don't really fit and it seems like they just haven't done enough playtesting (and they should have finish the product before release)

Rubiksmoose

"The game mechanics are in draft form, usable in your campaign but not refined by final game design and editing. They aren’t officially part of the game and aren’t permitted in D&D Adventurers League events. If Wizards of the Coast decides to make this material official, it will be refined based on your feedback and then appear in a D&D book."

^From the intro to WGE

NautArch

So it's published UA =?

Rubiksmoose

8:51 PM

What I'm especially confused by is why are they charging for this? I assumed that everything was done and official when they start charging for content. It was certainly not clear that this was playtest material from the description when I went to buy it.

@NautArch I just really don't know. I'm really really super confused.

NautArch

I"m really trying to be helpful to the Warlock Invocation poster, but i fear i'm borderline not helpful?

Mike Q

@NautArch You may as well write all of the comment content (e.g. compare the thing to similar existing things) in an answer

NautArch

@MikeQ Sort of a frame challenge answer about how to post a balance question?

Mike Q

@NautArch Both. They're asking if the thing they describe is balanced - while their justification/rationale would be convenient, the question is answerable without it.

NautArch

@MikeQ Kind of, the meta Qs I linked to recommend including that info in the question.

I guess it's about being an answerable question with upvotes vs an answerable question with downvotes.

I'm honestly more interested in trying to get folks to put good questions up than provide answers to bad questions.

Mike Q

9:00 PM

Well, any reason why you can't edit the question to include what the user said in the comments?

NautArch

@MikeQ Not a good reason. But I've got a couple bad ones.

Mike Q

I reckon it would be more useful for an established user (such as you) to do the edit, clean up the comments, then comment that you edited their question with the information they added, and next time they should include all information in the question

compared to having 5+ separate users fill the comments with variations of "You're not asking correctly", which just prompts the asker to respond with even more comments

NautArch

Gotcha - but that only solves the issue of adding some bits and doesn't really solve the larger issue of throwing an untested or analyzed up to the Stack.

Mike Q

@NautArch That seems like the type of problem that naturally occurs with homebrew content questions

NautArch

@MikeQ yup, and answering them I think says "keep asking like this"

Mike Q

9:11 PM

Hm. In that case, then the lack of analysis is kind of equivalent to a poorly-researched question, and it will likely be downvoted.

Or, open up a meta suggesting some kind of standardized expectations for homebrew questions

NautArch

There is one. I linked to them.

user362639

Im back!!

Mike Q

@Mustachachu Hi back, I'm Mike.

user362639

YAh

user362639

what did I miss

user362639

9:18 PM

Did yall like my wizard

Mike Q

@Mustachachu The academy wizard who had their magic stripped away by a rival wizard, that one?

Rubiksmoose

9:42 PM

Is there a way to PM on here? Sorry, I'm new. I don't have enough reputation to do the chats. — Luke Sommers 16 mins ago

Can someone shoot them an upvote maybe so they can pop into chat?

doppelgreener

@LukeSommers o/ You can join this chat to discuss things in realtime with your fellow users, as they mentioned in a comment.

Oh wait --

@LukeSommers Ok now you can chat.

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