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19:00
The Dark Escape?
Titans of Doom and Excitement?
Theocracy: Dollar Edition?
@Trish Being sieged and elves still go in? Wall is not working.
The Dark Eye @goodguy5
never heard of it
It's German.
German base line D&D type RPG game
DSA< right? Das Schwarze Auge?
19:01
@KorvinStarmast hahaha, no - but i totally should have done that.
My german is soooooo bad these days
had a vision of a maul smashing my head in and being on fire. Decided melee was not the future i wanted.
@NautArch You know industrial safety, don't you? Nomex and hard hats, and Bob's your Uncle.
The next campaign does take place in the same homebrew world we're in now - just several centuries after the current campaign completes (which, if it does successfully, means no planar travel)
@NautArch No planar travel? What level you starting at?
19:04
@Trish At least the rules will be exceedingly consistent, but no bending them.
@KorvinStarmast In our current campaign, the path to victory is in cutting off planar travel for all.
@NautArch Right. Just scrap the space shuttle program. Problem solved. :)
@NautArch "In a world... that hates geometry... "
Just read that in a movie announcer voice.
@NautArch and that puts a kibosh on Spelljammer in the sequel, right?
@KorvinStarmast yep, but not D&D style. GERMAN style
19:07
@Trish Sorry, RPG, German style. I'd go back and delete that but it's too late.
There's a cycle of destruction that is never ending. Every so often, there is an opportunity for heroes to end the cycle. BUt to do so means stopping Belial's plans and the only way to stop it as to prevent him from leaving the 9 hells (and by doing so end all planar travel for everyone everywhere) and then go kill Belial.
@NautArch Skip that and just kill him?
@ColinGross won't be enough. If we don't permanently sunder the planes from each other, the cycle will repeat.
@NautArch Sounds like a good time to be had by all. You have to shut down the planar travel so that killing Belial ensures that he never leaves hell.
@KorvinStarmast exactly. The DM's issues aside, he wrote a very interesting story.
19:09
@NautArch Have you tried one of those ankle weights attached to a chain? I've see that work in a lot of the Looney Toons documentaries.
> Looney Toons documentaries
@ColinGross That's an artifact that isn't in universe, I'd guess. :)
@ColinGross Hmm, that may just do it! I think I can order it from Acme?
@NautArch I don't know what other supplier is to be had.
19:10
DM also has no joy for workarounds or interesting ways to get more information.
@Rubiksmoose We're in a post truth world... while that's a bit crazy, it's not without fun. You can refer to any movie as a documentary now!
Hmm, get an amped up version of Dimensional Shackles, Artifact level, and you may be home free.
...the shackles prevent a creature bound by them from using any method of extradimensional movement, including teleportation or travel to a different plane of existence. They don’t prevent the creature from passing through an interdimensional portal Hmm, I think I see the snag there with the rare item. Dimensional Shackles
@KorvinStarmast Or tell him he's left the kettle on. He'll have to go back and check it.
Or stick his finger into a light socket
@KorvinStarmast You'd get to see his skeleton and redo his hair at the same time! Brilliant!
19:13
Get whatever chains bound Prometheus to that rock, and chain Belial to a bigger rock where he has to listen to Justin Bieber and Barry Manilowe songs for eternity. Hell, in a nutshell. No need for the vulture nibbling on his inner organs ...
oh, das schwarze auge. yea
I guess @DavidCoffron didn't think my answer was worth the big ole bounty he put up :(
@BESW Amazing Tales, the RPG by eimyr's RL friend, is pretty good for this. Definitely no expectation of violence and while it's pitched to kids I've run it just fine with adults, too. Character fits on an index card, rules take about three minutes to internalize.
@NautArch he still has 22 hours to award it.
@KorvinStarmast One should always consider the Cartesian Gambit.
Especially when dealing extra-planar or abstract entities.
19:29
@Yuuki I PWN, therefore I am. The Cartesian Gambit, LoL style. :)
@KorvinStarmast Is Gambit still a thing?
I heard they fell off a figurative cliff.
@Yuuki My first LoL alt was that wonder woman boomerang thrower. Took a while to get used to here style, but I did end up liking her.
@Rubiksmoose orly? I didn't realize yo ucould award past the time.
@NautArch yup! you get 24 hours grace time to award it before it expires completely.
@KorvinStarmast Sivir and her 400 CS win condition.
It's a bit of an in-joke that when Sivir reaches 400 minion kills in a game, you've pretty much won.
19:31
@Rubiksmoose The more you know!
@Yuuki Sivir, that's her. Heh, yeah. Gold Farming for fun and profit.
Even if you lose all your towers, Sivir can single-handedly defend the Nexus with her ricochets.
That I have not seen. Is there a youtube on that?
Maybe somewhere, but I don't know where to search for it.
@Yuuki My son will know where. He was getting into the finals with his team to earn Challenger rating when the team broke up due to RL.
He usually runs around with a platinum crew, though lately I think he mostly plays threes
19:34
I think there was a pro game where the team had lost all inhibitors and just gave up Baron. Three lanes of minions were crashing into the nexus and its turrets and Sivir pushed them off by herself.
They ended up winning that match because she bought enough time for everyone to regroup.
@Yuuki Wow, that's pretty good.
@KorvinStarmast Wow, that's impressive.
@Yuuki Well, it's how he spends his free time ... but he really go into it. I never got out of bronze, but I don't twitch well. Oldish.
Sivir's not really great at dueling nor is she the best marksman for teamfighting, but the girl sure can push a wave.
Yeah, Isn't her ult one that fires up the minions for a bit?
Not sure if they changed that.
19:38
@KorvinStarmast She had a really minor rework awhile back. I don't think she did before, but now her ult gives a burst of movement speed to all nearby allied champions.
Can't remember if it affects (or used to affect) minions.
That's nice, if timed properly.
It's really good for forcing teamfights since your team can essentially run roughshod over an unprepared team.
Or catch the last two who are fleeing?
To get the wipe
That too, but I typically see Sivir ults at the beginning of a fight, either to engage or disengage.
Makes sense. She still popular in the high end competition matches, or mostly in the lower ranks/ELO?
19:41
There's been a recent upheaval and not a lot of marksmen are showing up in botlane in pro play.
But below Master/Challenge and pro play, standard play should still be fine.
@Yuuki My son had mentioned that there'd been a change in the meta, but I'd need to get the details from him.
Although in standard play, Sivir isn't a highly contested pick.
Is corkie a marksman, or just AP carry?
@KorvinStarmast tl;dr there was a big shift in power for marksmen and now you're see bruisers and mages in their place a lot
Or have the terms changed?
19:43
@KorvinStarmast He's a weird mix of both, but he most often shows up in midlane when he does appear.
That's cool, I was used to seeing mages in the middle and Corkie on the bottom lane. Never ran him top.
One of the big changes was Infinity Edge. Instead of increasing crit damage, it now double crit chances and converts some critical damage to true damage.
The intended effect was to reduce a marksman's ability to blow up non-tank characters while still preserving their role as tank killers.
Also, a number of the big-ticket marksmen items changed.
Yeah, they do tinker with that stuff ... I'll have to relearn items ...
They've moved a lot of marksman power from mid-game to late-game (which is why Quinn is a viable option botlane now because she's all about the early and mid game).
Katarina was that way, wasn't she? Good middle and early, but late game someone else would usually take over? Or am I a lot of years out of date?
19:50
Katarina's had a big rework but pre-rework, she was a mid-game monster. And if the enemy team didn't prepare, she could still take over the late game through sheer damage.
@Yuuki OK, thanks for the update, I have to get back to RL. ;) Cheers.
My players just.... Proposed to try to get the "Frenemy" bound to his bed by a paid girl, so they could ask the combat mage group in the city to stand about half an hour next to his bed to learn if he is a demon or not... riiiiiight.... who is the good guys again?!
@Trish Some people like that kind of thing.
@NautArch sorry. I completely forgot that was today...
@DavidCoffron The grace period is still going for another 22 hours
20:03
@NautArch There you go.
Answered my clarification question in full :)
@Trish I've seen some interrogation scenes get pretty brutal, like repeatedly knocking an NPC unconscious and healing them for 1 HP, or ripping limbs. Within a few sessions, the DM eventually told the player that he didn't think his character was actually "lawful good."
@ColinGross Yeah, don't kinkshame people.
@Yuuki Do you think that's a kink of some demons? They're just hanging out hoping to get summoned and bound by a prime material wizard?
Asking for a fiend
3
...and I accidentally starred something on mobile. Oh well, free stars I guess.
@DavidCoffron grazie!
20:28
Open question for GMs for D&D-like systems: How do you communicate to your players when their character's behavior may cause (or border on) an alignment change?
Would you tell them directly that their actions could cause their alignment to shift? Or do you silently keep track of their actions, and then inform them when the alignment shift occurs? Or something else?
Alternatively, as a question for players - How would you prefer that the GM communicate PC alignment status to the players?
The only way I've seen this done by a GM is a gradual "not sure if that's a good action" to "you've done several evil-ish acts recently" to "your character is probably a different alignment now".
NPCs (if available) voicing concern about their actions.
could give a role play opportunity to PC's with an alignment sense (such as paladins).
20:52
@MikeQ What are the consequences of alignment in your game? Does it matter?
I'm running a D&D 5e campaign. In our last session the rogue procured two dragon hatchling hearts. So, I've been wondering what he plans to do with them. Is there a standard use for dragon hearts? I think in early additions there was stat bonus or someting.
There's nothing I can think of off the top of my head.
You could always grant him the ability to understand birds if he eats a heart.
@Yuuki :P
Just sayin', there's historical precedence.
@Anaphory No consequences I can think of. For now.
@ravery If you're running the campaign, then you can decide the usage. Tbh you should ask the rogue's player what their plan is.
20:57
@Yuuki -- yes, many folk lores have the believe that eating the heart grants abilities of the creature. (especially hunters societies)
Oh, I was referencing Sigurd specifically.
@Yuuki -- sorry I'm not familiar with that reference
> Sigurd is raised at the court of king Hjálprek, receives the sword Gram from the smith Regin, and slays the dragon Fafnir on Gnita-Heath by lying in a pit and stabbing it in the heart from underneath. Sigurd tastes the dragon's blood and understands the birds when they say that Regin will kill him in order to acquire the dragon's gold.
@ravery Germanic folklore
@MikeQ -- yes, but I was wondering if there was anything "commonly" done, so not to be caught with making instant decisions
21:02
Not that I know of. I don't remember seeing "dragon hatchling heart" in the DMG.
Historically, your rare biological trophies get eaten, ground up into paint, preserved in the smoking room, donated to a museum so the public remembers your beneficence...
Or, the trophies get turned into macabre clothing, which they wear for the remainder of the campaign
@BESW or magic spells
@BESW I imagine it would make a rather hearty meal.
....your portrait is painted while posing with it...
(Portrait goes in the smoking room, to be donated to a museum on your death)
21:07
Smoking room, also donated to a museum upon your death. Very elaborate will and testament.
If you have a mage in a room, the dor locked... do you kick in the door?! obviously no, as they might pace a firelance on the door...
well, the rogue is an arcane trickster, maybe a spell he can use once a day. or a change progression like dragonborns?
might be interesting to have him change from tobaxi to dragonborn over several levels
Eat 3 more dragon hearts to get a new perk!
"I cast *gross.*"
"What does that look like?"
"I pull out a rotting heart and wave it at the target."
@BESW -- or as material component for that spell that gives you dragon breath
21:12
You could also get arrested for transporting sapients' body parts across borders without a license.
@Yuuki Careful, you'll rouse Todd Howard.
@ravery You don't need a spell to have dragon breath, just eat a lot of blackened villagers and don't brush your teeth.
@Yuuki -- and a high garlic diet?
Do dragons seem like the kind to eat garlic?
@Yuuki eew yeah that would probably do it
21:16
They're flying fire-breathing reptiles, not Van Helsing.
Hey now garlic is great
Does it have to be a whole villager? Could you... You know. Save half in the fridge for lateR?
@Maximillian You might as well just throw it away, villagers don't reheat in the microwave very well.
Especially if you're burning them beforehand I bet
Garlic breath would also be good for defeating monsters with magnetic powers.
21:29
Still disgusting either way
@BESW wat
Dec 11 '14 at 11:14, by BESW
Ancient Greeks thought both garlic and magnets were "things which attract and repel." Such forces, they knew, interacted to enhance or reduce each other. The claim that rubbing garlic on a lodestone would make the lodestone no longer attract iron was totally logical, to the point that questioning it was laughable.
... I need two cloves of garlic and some tiny neodymium magnets. I need to blow the minds of some ancient greeks.
lol
hilarious
A vampire bites a victim and immediately disappears in a puff of smoke... "Must be all that garlic I eat"
a magnetic vampire
must have been
21:40
My life has a variety of funpires. You know, people who suck all the fun out of things.
Dec 11 '14 at 11:16, by BESW
We feel no need to test our belief that garlic has no effect on magnets, just as Plutarch felt no need to test his belief that garlic had an effect on magnets--and we feel this way for exactly the same reasons that he did.
yeah
I was going to point out that I feel no need to test that either way
which is hilarious too
@Maximillian you need a summon Clown spell to defend against Funpires
Briefly checking to see if Caligula appointed garlic or magnets to public office.
@ColinGross Colin, that was nicely done. :)
@MikeQ Mike, I have always used dreams and visions as the vehicle to advise the character that what they were doing was causing a change in them. It also allowed me to do this either with the group, or one on one (situational) or via a written note. That's how I signaled to them; their inner "who they are" was reacting to this change in them
@ravery Giblet gravy, just like chicken hearts. (Is there a standard use for dragon hearts?) Plus, have you seen the movie Dragonheart with Quaid and Connery?
21:52
@KorvinStarmast -- I've seen it but don't remember it (been quite sometime since I watched it)
@MikeQ These signals would well precede any ruling that "OK, at this point, your alignment has changed to" since we usually had an OOC discussion at least once if things like this were going on. I recall only time that the char just went "OK, I have a new alignment. I am buying the drinks!"
@ravery The dragon's heart was used to keep a prince alive for plot reasons.
@KorvinStarmast -- hmm that's an idea ... the local mage makes a Raise dead potion from the Dragon Heart.
@ravery Heck yeah, or When the king is killed while suppressing a peasant rebellion, Einon is mortally wounded ... Einon's mother, Queen Aislinn has him taken before a dragon whom she implores to save the boy's life. The dragon replaces Einon's wounded heart with half of its own on the promise that Einon will rule with justice and virtue
Einon welched on the deal and became an evil tyrant.
I like your idea a lot better
22:26
I was interested to see that Alarums and Excursions is still available ... for those interested in such things. That tells me that Lee Gold is still alive. :) Good news there.
22:42
I have to say, I've really missed prototyping
There's no feeling like spreading thick layers of Javascript all over some crispy HTML
Is it written well, who cares
just add more code
@SPavel scratches head Context?
23:38
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Is it possible to interrupt spellcasting? by pelayo on rpg.SE (@doppelgreener)
23:54
@KorvinStarmast I loved that movie as a kid

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